Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar

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Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 19th AUG 2024

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00:00:00In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

00:00:20Assalamualaikum.

00:00:21Welcome to Bakhabar Sawera and very good morning to you all.

00:00:25As we have come to you with the show today, you are waiting for us since 9 o'clock.

00:00:30You miss us a lot when we don't have a show.

00:00:32I, Sadaf Abdul Jabbar, welcome you.

00:00:35And the special thing about today is that we will see the super blue moon.

00:00:41It will be the first super blue moon of the year.

00:00:44And what is special about it?

00:00:46And it can also be seen in Pakistan.

00:00:48Now, the special thing about it is that when the moon comes very close to the earth,

00:00:53then its size also increases.

00:00:55That is, it will look 40% larger, which is its actual size.

00:00:59And it also becomes 30% brighter.

00:01:02So you can see this beautiful view today.

00:01:06And when will this happen next time?

00:01:08In 2037.

00:01:10So it can be assumed that it is a blue moon or the term that has come out,

00:01:14which we call Mahabharatan, once in a blue moon.

00:01:16That is, sometimes it happens.

00:01:18So that term came out from here.

00:01:20But the meaning of blue moon is not that it will look blue.

00:01:23It is just called a blue moon.

00:01:25But you can see a beautiful view.

00:01:27Now we are also told that our planets, planets, moon,

00:01:33all their movements have a big impact on our environment.

00:01:38It also has a big impact on our climate.

00:01:40So maybe that's the reason that a strange phenomenon is coming in front of us.

00:01:45Sometimes we see dry weather.

00:01:47Sometimes we see a lot of heat.

00:01:49Sometimes in the summer we see that it is cold.

00:01:52And in the winter we see that it is hot.

00:01:54There are such conditions and rains are also happening.

00:01:56Sometimes there is a cloudburst.

00:01:58Sometimes the spell of weather starts and it does not end.

00:02:01And somewhere people are just waiting for the rain.

00:02:04So let's start the show with the first story.

00:02:07And we will also move towards the story that what are all these matters.

00:02:11But the problem that all Pakistanis have right now is the slowdown of the internet.

00:02:17Now if we try to find out the official version of this, why is this happening?

00:02:22So we do not have any official version from the government.

00:02:26We have not seen any official version from the PTA.

00:02:30Yes, the climate committee called a meeting related to IT.

00:02:35And they talked about all the complaints that are being received by the people.

00:02:40And then Shiza Fatima, who is the Minister of Internet, she also did a press conference yesterday.

00:02:46She says that people are trying to see and post things through VPN.

00:02:58She said that because of VPN, the internet has slowed down.

00:03:02So now if we assume that the internet will slow down with VPN.

00:03:06But the app that is being used will not slow down.

00:03:09Everyone knows this.

00:03:10But if the internet is slow even without VPN, then what is the answer to that?

00:03:15We do not know this yet.

00:03:17Now there is a problem in PTCL cable as well.

00:03:21She says that this is the problem of the internet.

00:03:23Now PTA officials say that we are not receiving any complaints.

00:03:27And somewhere we are told that there is a firewall, which is the reason for this.

00:03:31But no official has come to this from the government.

00:03:34But let's listen to what the Prime Minister is saying.

00:03:38Why is the firewall going to be closed?

00:03:41The name of the firewall is so dangerous that you are refusing to take it.

00:03:45You have made it unavailable for all freelancers.

00:03:48And the whole industry is affected.

00:03:50And you say that everything is good.

00:03:51There was a rumor that the government has throttled the internet for some reason.

00:03:57There was no absolute truth in it.

00:03:59Some services of some apps, the population of Pakistan started operating on VPN.

00:04:05When you turn on the VPN, you bypass the CDN, the local cache through which the internet is coming.

00:04:10And all your services are coming.

00:04:12You bypass it and go to the live internet.

00:04:15When a lot of people go to the live internet, there is a pressure.

00:04:19And generally the internet slows down.

00:04:22But the first question that arises here is why is it necessary to use VPN?

00:04:28Why can't the apps be seen without VPN?

00:04:31This is a very important question.

00:04:33But let me tell you that when the journalist asked this question twice,

00:04:36then the Prime Minister came up with this answer.

00:04:39But before this, what was she saying about the slowdown of the internet,

00:04:43especially after the meeting of the Climate Committee?

00:04:45Let's listen to that.

00:04:47Firewall is a cyber security measure that every government in the world takes.

00:04:51Look at how many international cyber security attacks are happening in this country.

00:04:55The internet should never slow down.

00:04:58We are talking about 5G auctions so that the internet is accelerated.

00:05:01We are talking about the digital economy and digital governance.

00:05:04All of this is based on a good, high-speed, reliable internet.

00:05:10Now, obviously, the experts in this regard, i.e. IT experts,

00:05:14were asked this question.

00:05:16Can the internet slow down with the use of VPN across the country?

00:05:21So what answer do they give? Let's listen to that.

00:05:24VPN was already being used.

00:05:27What has happened in the last month and a half

00:05:29is that the number of VPNs has either grown exponentially

00:05:33or a firewall is being designed to monitor and potentially block traffic.

00:05:39As our minister said, this is not right.

00:05:42VPNs use encrypted packets and they automatically bypass the experience.

00:05:47The government had set up a firewall to control some social media networks.

00:05:51For that, they blocked commercial networks, commercial sites,

00:05:55and the general types of sites like Google.

00:05:58Because of this, the internet is facing a problem.

00:06:02If the traffic with VPN is slow, it can be up to 10-15%.

00:06:07Obviously, the firewall is being implemented.

00:06:09We agree to the fact that it is a requirement in cyber warfare.

00:06:12However, if your deployment is happening,

00:06:14if such issues are coming up,

00:06:16we cannot deny the loss of business with this issue.

00:06:20To recall it again, when the journalist asked about the internet slow,

00:06:24whether it is a firewall issue,

00:06:26the minister could not provide an answer.

00:06:30Now let's ask the members of this committee

00:06:32who are very familiar with the situation.

00:06:35They are a part of the discussion.

00:06:37We have with us the leader of the People's Party,

00:06:39a member of the National Assembly,

00:06:41and a member of the Standing Committee on ITO Telecom Communication,

00:06:45Ms. Sharmila Farooqui.

00:06:46Sharmila, thank you so much.

00:06:48There is a slight confusion here.

00:06:50I am glad that the IT Minister has come

00:06:53and answered the questions of the journalists.

00:06:56But you must also ask questions in the committee.

00:06:59So, have you got a clear answer as to why the internet is slow in the country?

00:07:03Is it because of VPN?

00:07:05Because of firewall?

00:07:07Because we have not got an official version from the government.

00:07:12Yes, thank you so much, Sadaf.

00:07:14Look, we have not yet received an official answer from the government.

00:07:20The disruptions that have been happening in Pakistan in the last few days

00:07:25with regards to internet use,

00:07:27a lot of people are concerned about this,

00:07:29especially the IT companies.

00:07:31Now look, I think that

00:07:33if we had heard earlier that the firewalls were being installed,

00:07:38then the government should be coming clean

00:07:41and telling us what they want to do and what they are doing

00:07:44and how long it will take to settle all these matters.

00:07:48The fact is that firewalls are being installed in better countries of the world.

00:07:53Internet usage is being monitored.

00:07:56It is okay.

00:07:57The government will have its own constraints and needs.

00:08:00A lot of things are being heard about digital terrorism,

00:08:03that there is digital terrorism,

00:08:05there are some anti-state activities

00:08:08that are being banned on social media,

00:08:11that are being misused.

00:08:13So, installing firewalls or whatever the government does,

00:08:16because we don't know.

00:08:17We can't say anything on our own.

00:08:19So, the government should clean up the stakeholders

00:08:22and the government should take the responsibility.

00:08:24Look, the IT industry is currently a very budding industry.

00:08:29It is a digital economy.

00:08:31In Pakistan, it is being said that

00:08:34because of the internet disruption,

00:08:36there is a loss of about 3 billion dollars.

00:08:39And that's a huge loss for an economy

00:08:42that is already struggling for revival.

00:08:45The thing is that we ask the government questions,

00:08:48but we don't get an answer.

00:08:50We hope that tomorrow our standing committee on IT,

00:08:53we have a meeting the day after tomorrow,

00:08:56and in that, me and the other members will ask questions

00:09:00to the other companies.

00:09:03Sharmila, you said that there will be a formal meeting tomorrow.

00:09:07The journalist asked that because of the firewall,

00:09:10she couldn't answer.

00:09:11Did you ask this question?

00:09:14Look, there will be a meeting tomorrow.

00:09:16We will ask questions.

00:09:17I understand that Shaza Fatma is a very talented young woman

00:09:21and she is running this ministry with all her hard work.

00:09:25I am sure she will also have some compulsion.

00:09:28It would be better if we give her a chance.

00:09:30Look, when you sit in a committee,

00:09:33when all the members ask questions,

00:09:36including the government members,

00:09:39and the opposition members,

00:09:42when they all ask questions,

00:09:45you have to give an answer.

00:09:47You can't always get an answer there.

00:09:49We hope that whatever this matter is,

00:09:52whether they are installing a firewall or doing something else,

00:09:56whatever, I can't say it myself,

00:09:58we didn't get an answer.

00:09:59I am also in a dilemma like you.

00:10:01So, we will definitely get an answer.

00:10:04And we have to find a solution to this.

00:10:06Sharmila, I would like to ask you about your personal experience.

00:10:09Did you have to face anything like this?

00:10:12Did you have to experience that the internet is slow?

00:10:14Are you sending a message?

00:10:16Are you downloading something?

00:10:18Absolutely, Shaza.

00:10:19If I tell you about my personal experience today,

00:10:21my driver was calling me today,

00:10:24but I didn't get a call.

00:10:25When I sat in the car, the call started coming.

00:10:28I don't know what is going on with the network.

00:10:30And when it is said that a lot of your class is doing a private job,

00:10:36on their own,

00:10:37people who couldn't get a job,

00:10:39they are freelancers,

00:10:40some are riders,

00:10:41some are cooking food at home and delivering it,

00:10:44how much trouble will they face?

00:10:46So, do you realize these things?

00:10:47And in your personal experience,

00:10:49is this happening to you too?

00:10:51Look, for the last one and a half weeks,

00:10:54believe me,

00:10:55there are so many issues in connectivity.

00:10:58I myself live outside the house.

00:11:00I am a working woman.

00:11:01So, doing connectivity is like having a small child at home.

00:11:05Graphics don't download,

00:11:07I don't get calls,

00:11:08nothing is happening.

00:11:09There are so many difficulties.

00:11:11And you see,

00:11:12let's talk about connectivity.

00:11:16How big is the e-commerce business here?

00:11:19IT exports,

00:11:20the services,

00:11:22there are so many disruptions.

00:11:24In my own house,

00:11:26there are IT experts

00:11:28who come with promises for the country.

00:11:31There are so many difficulties for them.

00:11:33You see, you are stifling your digital economy.

00:11:36And Pakistan will now be seen as an unreliable partner

00:11:39in the global digital economy.

00:11:41This is harming Pakistan.

00:11:43This is not only harming a sector,

00:11:47not harming a few individuals,

00:11:49not harming the service industry,

00:11:51this is harming Pakistan.

00:11:53At the moment,

00:11:54the ruling party is claiming

00:11:56and giving figures

00:11:58of a loss of 3 billion dollars.

00:12:00Their own senators are talking like this.

00:12:02Yes, I agree.

00:12:03Like I said,

00:12:04not only the opposition,

00:12:07but the ruling party itself is worried.

00:12:10And they themselves don't know what is happening.

00:12:13So, it is better that the government,

00:12:15whatever it is doing,

00:12:16it should take its people into confidence.

00:12:18It should take its people into confidence.

00:12:20It should take its stakeholders into confidence.

00:12:22It should tell them,

00:12:23this is what is being done,

00:12:24this is what is happening.

00:12:25How long will the implementation take?

00:12:27By that time,

00:12:28these issues will be resolved.

00:12:30But when you hide it,

00:12:32and when you,

00:12:34see, there is fear.

00:12:36People are upset.

00:12:37People are thinking

00:12:39to shift their business abroad.

00:12:41People are thinking,

00:12:42in Pakistan,

00:12:43you are stifling an already struggling economy.

00:12:47This creates more mistrust in the government and the people.

00:12:52Which is already there for a week.

00:12:54Then it increases.

00:12:55The government doesn't tell us what is happening.

00:12:58So, it is better that,

00:12:59whatever it is,

00:13:00come clean and tell the public,

00:13:01that we are doing this.

00:13:03And Sharmila,

00:13:04obviously,

00:13:05when we are talking about a loss,

00:13:06the world is moving towards 7G.

00:13:08We, over the years,

00:13:104G, we were till now.

00:13:12Yes.

00:13:13But till now,

00:13:14we couldn't license 5G.

00:13:16We are talking about PayPal.

00:13:18Because if we look at Pakistan's rating,

00:13:21in Ease of Doing Business,

00:13:23we are far behind.

00:13:24And if we want,

00:13:25to bring change,

00:13:26to develop the country.

00:13:27In IT,

00:13:28the world is moving ahead.

00:13:29And if we want to save them,

00:13:31then we need to solve these issues immediately.

00:13:34Are you also concerned that,

00:13:36as soon as possible,

00:13:37a solution should be found?

00:13:40Absolutely.

00:13:41Right now,

00:13:42in Pakistan's IT exports,

00:13:44there is approximately $5 billion.

00:13:46But the Prime Minister has said this,

00:13:48and this is his dream,

00:13:50and this is his effort.

00:13:51And we also want,

00:13:52at least $25 billion should be spent,

00:13:54in the next 4 years.

00:13:56The thing is,

00:13:57if you have such targets,

00:13:59and then such disruptions come,

00:14:02and then you don't tell people,

00:14:04what is going to happen,

00:14:05then what will happen?

00:14:07This will happen,

00:14:08that people will leave this.

00:14:10Your country is already brain draining,

00:14:12that's why people have left your country,

00:14:14your professionals have left,

00:14:15some people have left.

00:14:17Then what will happen?

00:14:18In Pakistan,

00:14:19it is not easy to do any business.

00:14:21The cost of doing business,

00:14:24there is no ease.

00:14:26And even in this budget,

00:14:27you see,

00:14:28there is no relief.

00:14:30Electricity is going down,

00:14:31electricity bills are increasing,

00:14:32capacity payments are the same,

00:14:35IPPs have all the agreements,

00:14:37they are not being discussed again.

00:14:42There is no renegotiation,

00:14:43we don't know why.

00:14:44And then after that,

00:14:45this internet disruption,

00:14:47it is very unfortunate.

00:14:49And it is painful,

00:14:50seeing all this,

00:14:51hearing all this,

00:14:52feeling all this,

00:14:53it is painful.

00:14:54We have to stay here,

00:14:56we are not going anywhere.

00:14:58We want Pakistan to progress,

00:14:59we want Pakistan to be a digital economy.

00:15:01Globally,

00:15:02should be a front runner.

00:15:04But if there are such things,

00:15:05then what will happen?

00:15:06We are going backwards.

00:15:08Absolutely.

00:15:09What is the IT vision of the government?

00:15:11There are a lot of questions raised on this.

00:15:12Sharmila,

00:15:13we hope that

00:15:14in tomorrow's meeting,

00:15:15the discussion that will take place,

00:15:17as a result of that,

00:15:18we will get a definitive answer.

00:15:20And we will know

00:15:21by when things

00:15:22will go back to normal.

00:15:25Yes, God willing,

00:15:26we will try our best

00:15:27to the government.

00:15:28But we want to support the government.

00:15:30If there are any issues,

00:15:32if there is digital terrorism,

00:15:34if you are monitoring any system,

00:15:37then do it.

00:15:38It is happening all over the world.

00:15:39It is happening in big countries like China.

00:15:41It is happening in the UAE.

00:15:42It is happening in Turkey.

00:15:43It is happening in other countries.

00:15:44You do it.

00:15:45But you have to take people into consideration.

00:15:47Don't keep people in doubt.

00:15:48Don't keep them worried.

00:15:50Tell them that this is happening.

00:15:51It will take so long.

00:15:53Do this until then.

00:15:54There should be some way forward.

00:15:57There should be a solution.

00:15:58Someone should know something.

00:15:59Right now,

00:16:00we don't know what is going to happen next.

00:16:01For how long

00:16:02will we stay in this cage?

00:16:05Sharmila,

00:16:06if we talk about the PICA Act,

00:16:08it was also brought in.

00:16:09Obviously,

00:16:10it was for this purpose

00:16:11that if someone is propagandizing,

00:16:12spreading fake news,

00:16:14or propagandizing against the state,

00:16:18then the PICA Act should be used

00:16:21and action should be taken against them.

00:16:23So, what was the result of that?

00:16:26No, no.

00:16:27Whatever law you bring in,

00:16:29if they don't onboard the stakeholders,

00:16:32no law will be implemented.

00:16:34All laws will fail.

00:16:36This is a certain thing.

00:16:38You keep bringing in draconian laws.

00:16:40You keep stifling people's freedom of speech.

00:16:43I am not saying that

00:16:45social media is not being misused in this country.

00:16:48It is being used.

00:16:49And it is being used to a great extent.

00:16:51Okay.

00:16:52You need to monitor this.

00:16:53There is also hate speech.

00:16:55There are some things that should not be there.

00:16:58But the thing is that

00:16:59you are making such laws

00:17:01in which you have not onboarded the stakeholders.

00:17:04There has been no discussion on it.

00:17:06There has been no brainstorming on it.

00:17:08How will that law be implemented?

00:17:11How will it succeed?

00:17:13Obviously,

00:17:14after its failure,

00:17:15another thing is coming up.

00:17:17Look,

00:17:18don't say that

00:17:19the internet has flowed from VPN.

00:17:24None of us are illiterate

00:17:27and non-intelligent.

00:17:29We are all intelligent.

00:17:31We also know what is happening.

00:17:33But you tell us.

00:17:35As a government official,

00:17:37as a government of Pakistan,

00:17:39you know,

00:17:40the best thing is

00:17:41that you give your people trust.

00:17:43Speak the truth to them.

00:17:45If you speak the truth

00:17:47and ask for support,

00:17:48you will get support.

00:17:50But if you lie,

00:17:52hide,

00:17:53scare,

00:17:54threaten,

00:17:55then the public will not support you.

00:17:59It will be very difficult.

00:18:01Very difficult.

00:18:02Thank you so much, Sharmila Faruqi Sahiba,

00:18:04for being with us.

00:18:05Obviously,

00:18:06my first question to you is this.

00:18:07After that,

00:18:08let's talk further.

00:18:09Is it true that

00:18:10what the Minister of State is telling us

00:18:12is true?

00:18:13The use of VPN has increased.

00:18:15Because of this,

00:18:16the internet has slowed down

00:18:17across the country

00:18:18and has been for many days.

00:18:19Is it true?

00:18:21Thank you so much, Sadaf.

00:18:23Sadaf,

00:18:24if you look at it technically,

00:18:26because of VPN,

00:18:27even if there is a slowdown in traffic,

00:18:30that should not increase more than 15%.

00:18:33Like,

00:18:34the threshold is 10-15%.

00:18:36There is no difference.

00:18:38But at this point of time,

00:18:40this is not just VPN.

00:18:42Obviously,

00:18:43there is an implementation going on.

00:18:45We are not denying that.

00:18:47Moreover,

00:18:48we are not criticizing that implementation.

00:18:52What we are saying is

00:18:53in case there is an implementation,

00:18:55obviously,

00:18:56in the background,

00:18:57we need to make sure

00:18:58that we are taking everyone in confidence.

00:19:00Taking everyone in confidence,

00:19:02as PASHA,

00:19:03which is the Association of Software Houses,

00:19:06which represents the industry side,

00:19:08which represents the technology side,

00:19:11where if everyone is loaded,

00:19:13then everything becomes easy.

00:19:17Okay.

00:19:18Tell us one more thing.

00:19:20Because of VPN,

00:19:22the reason given,

00:19:23the app you are using,

00:19:25and the time you are using VPN,

00:19:27at that time,

00:19:28the internet really slows down.

00:19:30But,

00:19:31is it affecting the overall situation,

00:19:34which the freelancers are telling us,

00:19:36which the internet service providers are telling us,

00:19:39is this really a complaint without VPN?

00:19:44Absolutely.

00:19:45You will have to see

00:19:47when a freelancer or a company

00:19:50shifts to VPN.

00:19:52When he does not have the required traffic,

00:19:58he is not able to connect with that traffic,

00:20:01then he reroutes it.

00:20:03To reroute it,

00:20:04VPN is used.

00:20:05VPN itself,

00:20:07if I say,

00:20:09it slows down your process by 10%.

00:20:13However,

00:20:15the way we are talking,

00:20:18it is true that because of VPN,

00:20:21many of our processes are already disturbed.

00:20:24For example,

00:20:25those kids who were connecting through VPN,

00:20:28when your first IP is going from Pakistan,

00:20:31suddenly your IP shifts to the US.

00:20:34If VPN disconnects,

00:20:35then your IP shifts to another country.

00:20:38So, security protocols are breached,

00:20:40and your accounts are either temporarily down,

00:20:43or permanently down,

00:20:46or at least,

00:20:47you are in an insecure state.

00:20:49So, there is an impact,

00:20:51and it is a severe kind of impact.

00:20:53Especially on the industry,

00:20:55if we have lost $300 million,

00:20:57in the last 1-1.5 weeks,

00:20:59there has been a lot of damage.

00:21:01So, what is the solution to this?

00:21:03And in this,

00:21:04the major problem that we are seeing right now,

00:21:06what will you identify as an IT expert?

00:21:10See, the big problem is,

00:21:12I am sure,

00:21:13the implementation of firewalls,

00:21:15obviously,

00:21:16there are hurdles,

00:21:17because of which,

00:21:19we are facing traffic routing issues.

00:21:22When we face an issue,

00:21:25we always see that it has a domino effect.

00:21:28One after another.

00:21:30So, right now,

00:21:31because,

00:21:32regarding one thing,

00:21:33you don't have the awareness,

00:21:35that what is our implementation plan?

00:21:37If this implementation plan,

00:21:39was being rolled out in phases,

00:21:41that we have implemented 5% first,

00:21:43now we are implementing 15%,

00:21:45then slowly,

00:21:46over the span of 2-3 months,

00:21:48it had to be scaled to 100%.

00:21:50Then I could have given you a comprehensive answer,

00:21:53that what can be done on this,

00:21:55what cannot be done.

00:21:57But,

00:21:58if we don't have any official visibility,

00:22:01then I can't give you an exact plan on both things,

00:22:05that what will be the issue while rolling it out.

00:22:08And by any chance,

00:22:10if we have to roll it out,

00:22:12or if we have to roll it back,

00:22:14then what is the wisdom behind it?

00:22:16We don't have a clear stance on both,

00:22:18because,

00:22:19we don't have any clear information on it.

00:22:22And Mudassir,

00:22:23if we do a comparison,

00:22:25in terms of speed,

00:22:26the world has gone beyond 7G and 5G,

00:22:30we are still not getting rid of 4G,

00:22:32we haven't reached 5G completely.

00:22:35If we do a comparison,

00:22:36at this time,

00:22:37who is our speed matching?

00:22:392G, 3G, 4G,

00:22:40not 4G,

00:22:412G, 3G,

00:22:42where is it standing?

00:22:44We are definitely under 4G,

00:22:46because we are purely 4G.

00:22:48I am talking about the current speed of the internet.

00:22:51The current speed of the internet,

00:22:54you can't compare it with 4G, 2G,

00:22:57you can compare it,

00:22:59that at this time,

00:23:00you fall in such a particular state,

00:23:02or such a particular speed of internet,

00:23:06where video connectivity is not possible,

00:23:10or audio connectivity is not possible with the client.

00:23:13In some places,

00:23:16there is no issue on it.

00:23:17You and I are connected,

00:23:18we don't have to face any such issue.

00:23:20But,

00:23:213 days ago,

00:23:23we had to apologize to our client,

00:23:26that we can reschedule the call,

00:23:28because today,

00:23:29there is an issue in our connectivity.

00:23:31Fiverr had also put a notice on it.

00:23:33So, we cannot specify that we are 2G,

00:23:353G, or 4G.

00:23:36Yes, we can specify that we lose a lot of traffic.

00:23:40We have to face a lot of distortion and disturbance at this time.

00:23:45Which is obviously,

00:23:46has a very bad impact in the global market.

00:23:50You have a brand,

00:23:51you have spent 10-15 years,

00:23:52boosting the technology so much,

00:23:54the government is spent.

00:23:56Whether it was Tech Destination,

00:23:58Pasha,

00:23:59PSF,

00:24:00there is a lot of effort behind it.

00:24:02Where you are recognized globally,

00:24:04on Jitex,

00:24:07on GDC,

00:24:08on Game Dev Conference,

00:24:10or on Jitex,

00:24:11or you go to Leap in Saudi,

00:24:13people recognize you as an IT industry.

00:24:15But, because of such issues,

00:24:17people again,

00:24:18see,

00:24:19your reputational loss is very big.

00:24:21I emphasize on this again and again,

00:24:23that monetary value loss is something which is repairable.

00:24:28But, your reputational loss,

00:24:31that is irreparable.

00:24:32You have to avoid that.

00:24:34To avoid that,

00:24:35you have to trust the institutions on the ground.

00:24:39Pasha is available here,

00:24:41which represents the industry.

00:24:43So, I think,

00:24:44if we don't trust them,

00:24:45then obviously,

00:24:47everything will be a blind side for us.

00:24:49Absolutely.

00:24:50Mudassir, tell us one more thing,

00:24:51if we want to know for the convenience of the public,

00:24:54because we are being told that our IT export is performing very well.

00:24:59The figures for June and July are telling us this.

00:25:03If there is a net slowdown in the current situation,

00:25:06people are facing difficulties,

00:25:08freelancers are facing difficulties,

00:25:10how much loss are we in at the moment?

00:25:12What is the monthly and yearly loss?

00:25:15Okay.

00:25:16Your best trajectory at this time was 3.2 billion dollars.

00:25:21Okay.

00:25:22Last year, due to unfortunate reasons,

00:25:24it went to 2.8 billion,

00:25:26but after that,

00:25:28in the last 7-8 months,

00:25:31we have again started performing.

00:25:33We have taken a 17-24% hike again.

00:25:37But due to this particular reason,

00:25:40like we are facing today,

00:25:42and it happened once a month ago,

00:25:44so we have estimated that we have lost 300 million dollars in one and a half weeks.

00:25:54So this is a loss on which we can give justification.

00:25:59I will give you an example that CureMD is a very big group.

00:26:04It is in Pakistan,

00:26:05which is operating in telehealth.

00:26:09It is providing services in 26 different states of the US.

00:26:13If four connectivity lines are closed in such a critical center,

00:26:20then you can see that you have given a lot of loss to just one company.

00:26:26You have given a lot of monetary loss to it.

00:26:29So this is a matter of one company.

00:26:30I am sure that there are thousands of such companies in Pakistan.

00:26:33Because as a technology hub,

00:26:36we are one of the very amazing destinations

00:26:40where there is talent in Pakistan,

00:26:42there are excellent companies in Pakistan,

00:26:44top-of-the-line companies across the globe.

00:26:46We support them and work with them.

00:26:49So much Mudassir was with us,

00:26:51and you told us a lot of things as an IT expert.

00:26:53You can estimate the loss,

00:26:55and this loss is a big loss,

00:26:57but especially of those individuals,

00:27:00young boys and girls,

00:27:02who are trying to earn in their own capacity,

00:27:04with their own hard work.

00:27:07You know that jobs are not available at the moment,

00:27:11they are not able to earn as much as they can.

00:27:13Their purchasing power has decreased.

00:27:16Electricity bills are higher than house rents.

00:27:19So if someone is earning in their own capacity,

00:27:22through the internet,

00:27:24and you are bringing a little change to your country,

00:27:26we need dollars right now.

00:27:28So we should make it easier for them.

00:27:31We should not give a vague statement on this.

00:27:34And if there is a reason for the firewall,

00:27:36which the government has not told us officially,

00:27:39then IT experts say that

00:27:41if we are given on board on this,

00:27:44then we can do better on this.

00:27:46Because everyone wants that

00:27:48there should not be digital terrorism in the country.

00:27:51But if we move forward on this in a better way,

00:27:54knowing all the technical expertise,

00:27:56then a lot can be improved.

00:27:58We hope and pray that the problems of the country are removed,

00:28:01and we can do what we want to do,

00:28:03and we can be connected globally with the world.

00:28:07So let's take a break here.

00:28:09Stay connected with us.

00:28:15Welcome back once again.

00:28:17Now let's talk about the weather.

00:28:20Because the monsoon is wreaking havoc.

00:28:23And the news that we are receiving

00:28:25from different cities and provinces of the country,

00:28:28is very concerning.

00:28:30Especially if you talk about Sindh and Balochistan,

00:28:33the rains have wreaked havoc here.

00:28:35If you look at the scenery right now,

00:28:37you can see that there is a flood.

00:28:41We can see that the houses have been damaged due to the rain.

00:28:44Now if we talk about Sindh and Balochistan,

00:28:47the vast land, especially the ready crops,

00:28:50have been damaged.

00:28:52Similarly, if we talk about Sakhar,

00:28:54that is, if we talk about Sindh,

00:28:56there have not been so many rains in Karachi,

00:28:58except for a few areas.

00:29:00But if we talk about Sakhar,

00:29:02then there has been a 70-year record of rain in Sakhar.

00:29:05After 300 mm of rain here,

00:29:07the condition of Sakhar is such that

00:29:10you can see water everywhere,

00:29:12in the streets, on the roads.

00:29:14And what has happened because of this?

00:29:16Obviously, the follow-up to this is that

00:29:18the electricity system,

00:29:20the roads, the roads are broken.

00:29:22It becomes difficult for people

00:29:24to live on a daily basis.

00:29:26Now, this whole situation

00:29:28is not only up to this point.

00:29:30In our country, where we see

00:29:32that the facilities are less,

00:29:34when people's lives are affected

00:29:36in such a way,

00:29:38then there is a lot of burden.

00:29:40The ancient ruins of Mohenjo-daro

00:29:42have also been affected by the rain

00:29:44and the walls have been severely damaged.

00:29:46So, this is the situation in Sindh.

00:29:48We are also seeing similar situations

00:29:50in Nosher and Feroz.

00:29:52When we go to Balochistan,

00:29:54there too, the flood has caused destruction.

00:29:56Talk about Mastong,

00:29:58similarly, the second area,

00:30:00Nasirabad, Ustah Muhammad,

00:30:02here the drunken areas have also come down.

00:30:04The streets, the roads,

00:30:06have been submerged in water.

00:30:08And Balochistan, you know,

00:30:10was already more affected

00:30:12than the flood that came two years ago.

00:30:14And the work of repairing

00:30:16could not be completed.

00:30:18After that, a new scene

00:30:20is in front of us right now.

00:30:22What steps have been taken for this?

00:30:24What is being done?

00:30:26We will definitely tell you the details.

00:30:28Let's talk about Karachi once.

00:30:30Where did it rain in Karachi?

00:30:32In Karachi, it does not rain easily anywhere.

00:30:34If I talk about it,

00:30:36I have not seen it raining easily anywhere.

00:30:38But if we talk about Surjani town,

00:30:40Nasirabad and Orangi town,

00:30:42then it has rained here and

00:30:44there has been a devastating rain.

00:30:46If we talk from the perspective of Karachi,

00:30:48looking at the Karachi infrastructure,

00:30:50then this rain is devastating for Karachi.

00:30:52In the sense that in Surjani,

00:30:5470 mm have been recorded.

00:30:56In Orangi, 26 mm.

00:30:58And in Gulshan-e-Mehmar, 8 mm.

00:31:00So a lot is going on in Surjani right now.

00:31:04Our representative Anwar Khan

00:31:06will tell us more about this situation.

00:31:08Anwar, tell us,

00:31:10one area is Surjani town, 70 mm.

00:31:12In Gulshan-e-Mehmar, 8 mm.

00:31:14So far,

00:31:16what records have we seen?

00:31:18What numbers have we seen?

00:31:20In which areas has it rained?

00:31:22Especially apart from Surjani, where has it rained?

00:31:26If we talk about

00:31:28monsoon rains in Karachi,

00:31:30then it is said to be the 5th worst in Karachi.

00:31:32And even today,

00:31:34the lowest temperature is 38 degrees centigrade.

00:31:36And this temperature can go up to

00:31:3832 degrees centigrade.

00:31:40And in the air,

00:31:42if we talk about 90-93%,

00:31:44in Karachi, the highest rainfall

00:31:46was 17.4 mm in Surjani town.

00:31:48And in Surjani town,

00:31:50the reason for the rain to be recorded

00:31:52was that after that,

00:31:54in different parts of Karachi,

00:31:56the Nikasi system

00:31:58is completely safe.

00:32:00If we talk about only one district of Karachi,

00:32:02the different areas of Karachi,

00:32:04if we talk about the gardens,

00:32:06if we talk about the urban areas,

00:32:08the Nikasi system

00:32:10is in a very serious condition.

00:32:12And in the urban areas of Surjani town,

00:32:14the Nikasi system

00:32:16is in a very serious condition.

00:32:18And the drainage system is completely

00:32:20damaged.

00:32:22This rain is 17.4 mm,

00:32:24this is the least amount of rain

00:32:26that has drained out the water.

00:32:28But the situation is that the broken roads

00:32:30and the Nikasi system

00:32:32are not being maintained.

00:32:34In the urban areas of Karachi,

00:32:36you can see the garden east

00:32:38where the Nikasi system

00:32:40is completely safe.

00:32:42As a result of rain and water,

00:32:44there is a lot of smell.

00:32:46And in Karachi, there is very light rain.

00:32:48And in the coming days,

00:32:50I will tell you that

00:32:52there is a system of rain.

00:32:54Anwar, tell me one thing.

00:32:56There was no rain in the whole area of Karachi.

00:32:58There was no rain in the whole city.

00:33:00In some areas where it rained,

00:33:02it rained 70 mm in Surjani.

00:33:04So what is the reason

00:33:06that the water has not been

00:33:08drained out from here?

00:33:10There is not much work,

00:33:12machinery has also been available

00:33:14and it is not raining continuously.

00:33:16See, the basic reason

00:33:18is that the work should have been

00:33:20completed in the city.

00:33:22High alerts are issued

00:33:24on the basis of incidents.

00:33:26In spite of this,

00:33:28the various streets

00:33:30of Karachi

00:33:32had to be completed

00:33:34under the click

00:33:36of the World Bank.

00:33:38And a week before and

00:33:40a week after the rain,

00:33:42there was a clear instruction

00:33:44from the Mayor of Karachi

00:33:46that 25 streets of Karachi

00:33:48should be completed.

00:33:50However, despite the instructions

00:33:52of the Mayor of Karachi,

00:33:54this work has not been completed

00:33:56under the click of the World Bank.

00:33:58These are the basic reasons

00:34:00due to which it is difficult

00:34:02to control the situation.

00:34:06Thank you so much Anwar

00:34:08for reporting to us.

00:34:10There is rain in Karachi

00:34:12but not in the whole city.

00:34:14When we talk about rain,

00:34:16the financial loss is recovered

00:34:18but the loss of life

00:34:20is something that can never be recovered.

00:34:22The recent rainfall in Sindh, Punjab

00:34:24and Balochistan

00:34:26and the number of deaths

00:34:28have also been reported.

00:34:30Within 24 hours,

00:34:32it has been reported that

00:34:3418 people including 8 children

00:34:36have died in various accidents.

00:34:38Two girls drowned

00:34:40in a dam in Pashin.

00:34:42We have received this news.

00:34:44Two girls have been found dead

00:34:46in the area of Makin.

00:34:48In Mastom, there is a flood

00:34:50which has put people's lives

00:34:52and wealth at risk.

00:34:54An old woman has drowned here.

00:34:56In Panjgore,

00:34:58a man has drowned here.

00:35:00In Jhang,

00:35:02two children drowned

00:35:04due to the accumulation

00:35:06of water in the well.

00:35:08Similarly, in Pindi,

00:35:10the roof of a house has fallen

00:35:12and four people have been injured

00:35:14due to the fall of the roof.

00:35:16In Sadiqabad,

00:35:18a four-year-old girl

00:35:20and three people have been injured

00:35:22due to the fall of the roof.

00:35:24In Tabba Sultanpur,

00:35:26there was an incident

00:35:28of a power cut

00:35:30and one person drowned.

00:35:32Similarly, in Ladkana,

00:35:34a seven-year-old child

00:35:36drowned due to the accumulation

00:35:38of water in the house.

00:35:40In Shahdadkot,

00:35:42a girl drowned due to the fall

00:35:44of the roof of a house.

00:35:46Similarly, in Jacobabad,

00:35:48a girl drowned due to the fall

00:35:50of the roof.

00:35:52So, in just 24 hours,

00:35:54we have this death toll.

00:35:56Let's hope for the best

00:35:58so that people's lives

00:36:00are saved.

00:36:02Let's go to Sakkhar.

00:36:04As we have seen,

00:36:06the record of 70 years

00:36:08that we are seeing

00:36:10in millimetres

00:36:12is 300 millimetres.

00:36:14What is the situation now?

00:36:16What has been done

00:36:18for the rescue?

00:36:20We have with us

00:36:22Jahanzaib Wasi.

00:36:24Tell us how much

00:36:26is Sakkhar affected?

00:36:28Then we will know

00:36:30what is happening here.

00:36:32Sakkhar has been in the area

00:36:34for many days.

00:36:36The city has caused

00:36:38devastation in its surrounding areas.

00:36:40The rainwater that had accumulated

00:36:42in the surrounding areas

00:36:44could not be removed.

00:36:46Rainwater has still accumulated

00:36:48in various areas of the city.

00:36:50The lower areas are still

00:36:52in a very bad condition.

00:36:54If we talk about the iron market,

00:36:56the water has entered

00:36:58the houses of the citizens.

00:37:00The residents of the city

00:37:02have been rescued

00:37:04from the houses of the citizens.

00:37:06If we talk about Kureshi Ghot,

00:37:08the rainwater has still

00:37:10accumulated in Kureshi Ghot.

00:37:12More than 10 hours have passed

00:37:14and the rain has stopped.

00:37:16Despite this, the rainwater

00:37:18accumulated in the surrounding areas

00:37:20has not been removed.

00:37:22Despite completing all the preparations,

00:37:24the rainwater accumulated

00:37:26in the surrounding areas

00:37:28has not been removed.

00:37:30Because of this, the people

00:37:32are facing a lot of problems.

00:37:34According to the Municipal Corporation,

00:37:36the rainfall in Sakhar

00:37:38has never been recorded

00:37:40as much as it has been recorded

00:37:42in recent days.

00:37:44The rainfall in the surrounding areas

00:37:46of Sakhar has been recorded

00:37:48as 290 mm.

00:37:50The most rainfall in Sindh

00:37:52has been recorded in Sakhar.

00:37:54Jhansi, thank you so much

00:37:56for telling us about the condition of Sakhar.

00:37:58Now let's talk about KP.

00:38:00KP is a mountainous area.

00:38:02Landsliding often causes

00:38:04a lot of damage here.

00:38:06Landsliding often causes

00:38:08a lot of damage here.

00:38:10Landsliding often causes

00:38:12a lot of damage here.

00:38:14Landsliding often causes

00:38:16a lot of damage here.

00:38:18Landsliding often causes

00:38:20a lot of damage here.

00:38:22Landsliding often causes

00:38:24a lot of damage here.

00:38:26Landsliding often causes

00:38:28a lot of damage here.

00:38:30Landsliding often causes

00:38:32a lot of damage here.

00:38:34Landsliding often causes

00:38:36a lot of damage here.

00:38:38Landsliding often causes

00:38:40a lot of damage here.

00:38:42Landsliding often causes

00:38:44a lot of damage here.

00:38:46Landsliding often causes

00:38:48a lot of damage here.

00:38:50Landsliding often causes

00:38:52a lot of damage here.

00:38:54Landsliding often causes

00:38:56a lot of damage here.

00:38:58Landsliding often causes

00:39:00a lot of damage here.

00:39:02Landsliding often causes

00:39:04a lot of damage here.

00:39:06Keep

00:39:26So there was an artificial lake there.

00:39:29Now the water of the lake was stopped there for 10 to 12 days.

00:39:34Because of which this mountain was cut off.

00:39:38And since the last 3-4 days, this landshedding has been happening there.

00:39:42There is a village of Lassa Dehlu on top of this mountain.

00:39:47There is a lot of population there.

00:39:49It was very dangerous.

00:39:51And there is a lot of fear and secrecy among the people there.

00:39:53Some of the houses of that village have been evacuated.

00:39:58And have been moved to other places.

00:40:00Now the current situation is that the machinery that is being used to cut off the lake

00:40:06People say that it is a very small machinery.

00:40:09Because the stones of the mountain are very big.

00:40:12To remove them, a new and heavy machinery is needed.

00:40:15And as soon as possible, the direction of the lake was not followed as per tradition.

00:40:21Is it necessary, Tahir?

00:40:22So it has been moved and is there in a large number?

00:40:27Yes, sorry?

00:40:29Tahir, is the heavy machinery there in the required number?

00:40:34No, the heavy machinery is being moved.

00:40:39The machinery that is working there is a small machinery.

00:40:42It is not a matter of how big the stones can be removed.

00:40:46Now, if this water does not break the direction of this lake,

00:40:51If this water increases, then it will also have a bad effect on the market and the population.

00:40:58And the mines of the cities can also be affected by this.

00:41:01But the need is that the prevention should be done as soon as possible.

00:41:07What measures are being taken for prevention?

00:41:09You said that many areas can be affected by this.

00:41:12If it passes from Labirela, from those areas.

00:41:14So are preventive measures being taken or not?

00:41:17What we spoke to the district administration is that we are working and the machinery is being transported there.

00:41:25Because this is a very big area and a very big stone.

00:41:28You can see that there are very big stones lying on the other side of the river.

00:41:33It will take a lot of time to remove them.

00:41:35Now look, on the other hand, the NDMA has also issued a disaster alert in relation to today.

00:41:43If this kind of flood passes through this area again, then there will be a lot of destruction.

00:41:49That is why it is necessary that the authorities clean the drain from where the flood used to be.

00:42:00Now, it should not be seen that when there is an accident, then they go and run and work.

00:42:05You said that it should not be seen that when there is an accident, then they go and run and work.

00:42:12The precautionary steps that can be taken first, from which the infrastructure can be saved, people's lives should definitely take that step.

00:42:20Thank you so much Tahir.

00:42:22And it is important that the areas from where the flood has to pass can be saved at this time.

00:42:29If the flood is stopped there in advance, then a lot can happen.

00:42:32But as you have seen the landslide incident, heavy machinery could not reach there.

00:42:38So we pray for good, especially for the monitoring area and the area of Makino.

00:42:43Let's move on, let's include the news from Khairpur.

00:42:46In Khairpur, in Pirjo Ghot, five people, including three children, died from drinking contaminated milk.

00:42:53And the police are telling us in more detail that the condition of two children is worrisome due to drinking contaminated milk,

00:42:59who are being given medical assistance in the hospital at the moment.

00:43:09After Sindh, we had stopped at KP.

00:43:12After KP, let's move towards Balochistan.

00:43:14There too, we are seeing the scenes of devastation from the recent rains.

00:43:18And if we talk about Austin Mohammed at the moment,

00:43:21there is water everywhere due to the recent rains.

00:43:26Especially the drunken areas are very affected.

00:43:29And the sewage system is very bad.

00:43:31Mixing rain and dirty water does not even have clean drinking water here at the moment.

00:43:37And there has been no electricity for five days.

00:43:39And for almost the whole day, Austin Mohammed's Makino is saying that there is no electricity.

00:43:44So they are facing a lot of difficulties.

00:43:46And similarly, there are many such areas where we are seeing that due to the rains,

00:43:52we are seeing this situation in all the areas.

00:43:57Now we pray that things get better here,

00:44:01especially to save people's lives.

00:44:03This is always the first priority.

00:44:05And if we focus more on this, a lot can be better.

00:44:09When we are talking about things getting better,

00:44:12we point out a lot of things.

00:44:15The job of the media is to highlight those areas,

00:44:19highlight those issues where things are going wrong.

00:44:22There is room for improvement.

00:44:24So that the government can focus on that.

00:44:26But it is also important to mention those things where a lot is getting better.

00:44:31So that people's trust is maintained.

00:44:34So the National Institute of Child Health in Karachi

00:44:36is known as a well-known center for child health care.

00:44:40And we see a lot of concern about children's health.

00:44:45So what are the facilities here?

00:44:47What is the technology?

00:44:48And how many talented people come from here?

00:44:51We will show you a report on this.

00:45:01National Institute of Child Health,

00:45:03which is the largest hospital for children in Sindh.

00:45:06In 2010, this institute started working with a separate entity

00:45:11as a hospital for children.

00:45:14And after that, the Sindh government has been monitoring it.

00:45:21With time, a lot of new departments have been established.

00:45:24And a lot of new services have been provided for children.

00:45:28In this hospital, there are about 35 areas

00:45:32where we provide subspecialties for children.

00:45:35We also provide medical services to children.

00:45:42We also have our own laboratory.

00:45:44Most of the routine tests are performed through our laboratory.

00:45:49And through these reports,

00:45:51children are treated based on laboratory reports.

00:45:55And this hospital provides free of cost services.

00:46:00And I am grateful to the Sindh government

00:46:04for bringing us together to this level

00:46:08so that we can treat our patients for free.

00:46:15So you have seen how technology is being used.

00:46:19If we talk about hospitals in Sindh,

00:46:22we see a much better situation here.

00:46:25There is room for improvement.

00:46:27We are taking a break here.

00:46:29We will be back after the break.

00:46:30You don't have to go anywhere.

00:46:35Assalam-o-Alaikum.

00:46:37Once again, welcome back to Bakhabar Savera.

00:46:41And Subh Savera is our show.

00:46:43And if you miss anything in this show,

00:46:47we will mention it for you.

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00:47:11I hope you have a good start to the day.

00:47:14The weather is pleasant these days.

00:47:16But the schools are open for children.

00:47:19So it will be difficult to get back to routine.

00:47:23They will not get used to waking up late at night

00:47:26and getting up late in the morning.

00:47:28So we will try to get them back to routine.

00:47:32But there are many mothers who are relieved

00:47:36that their children have gone to school.

00:47:38Otherwise, they would have suffered a lot if they were at home.

00:47:41So they have also taken a deep breath of relief.

00:47:44Let's move ahead and start the show.

00:47:47We have tried to make this hour full of such segments

00:47:52so that you can get information and talk about the issues.

00:47:56Let's start with Deh Ameer.

00:47:59Deh Ameer is a nearby area of Thor Minar.

00:48:02Five people have lost their lives and three people have been injured

00:48:05due to a car crash here.

00:48:07What is this incident?

00:48:09Shafiullah will tell you the details.

00:48:11Yes, Shafi.

00:48:14This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.

00:48:21Five people have lost their lives and three people have been injured

00:48:25due to a car crash here.

00:48:27This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.

00:48:30Five people have lost their lives and three people have been injured

00:48:33due to a car crash here.

00:48:35This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.

00:48:38This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.

00:48:41This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.

00:48:44This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.

00:48:47Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:48:51Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:48:54Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:48:57Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:49:00Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:49:03Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:49:06Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:49:09Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:49:12Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.

00:49:15We have as many as two victims so far.

00:49:18We have as many as two victims so far.

00:49:27This worker had run away from home for work

00:49:30This worker had run away from home for work

00:49:38The relief operations are still going on and there is a lot of damage.

00:49:45The relief operations are still going on, thank you so much Shafiq.

00:49:48Shafiq, our representatives were telling us about this incident.

00:49:52First of all, there is a lot of damage caused by the rains.

00:49:55Secondly, there are a lot of incidents like this where people are trying to get out of their areas and reach their destination.

00:50:04There is an incident in Ghotki where a family from Mansehra, Karachi, was affected.

00:50:12The coach was also affected by this incident.

00:50:14Eight people have lost their lives in this incident.

00:50:17So, we pray that people stay safe and sound.

00:50:20Such incidents are happening every year.

00:50:23Because of the rains and the destruction on the roads, we are seeing an increase in these incidents.

00:50:31Let's move ahead and talk about the era we are in now.

00:50:36When we read history in the past, we talk about the Age of Enlightenment, Renaissance, Industrial Revolution.

00:50:45So, the journey of human progress has a long history.

00:50:50And in this long history, the era we are living in today is also called the Information Era along with the age of technology.

00:50:58The amount of information and awareness people have today, the past generation did not have that awareness.

00:51:05Whether it is through the internet or through the media, a lot of awareness and issues are being talked about openly.

00:51:13But at a time like this, when we report such incidents and traditions that used to happen in the past,

00:51:23we are surprised to see that such incidents are still happening.

00:51:29An incident similar to this has happened in the area of Dadu, Khan Muhammad Malla Ghot.

00:51:34Here, in exchange for money, 45 young girls, not one, not two, not three,

00:51:4145 young girls, I will call them girls, young girls have been married.

00:51:47This is the 22nd incident.

00:51:49Now, the Prime Minister of Sindh has taken notice of this whole situation.

00:51:52He has also asked the Commissioner of Hyderabad to give him a report.

00:51:56And it has been instructed to present the details of all the incidents that caused it.

00:52:02Now, the most concerning thing here is that the Prime Minister has also asked this question.

00:52:07Are these the girls who have been married?

00:52:11Are these the girls who belong to those families who are under the influence?

00:52:17If you remember, two years ago, there was a flood in Sindh and Balochistan.

00:52:21And the people who were destroyed, their entire life savings, their homes,

00:52:26the hard work they had made, the things they had kept for their daughters' marriage,

00:52:31whatever was their property, the means, all that was lost.

00:52:34The roof had gone from their heads.

00:52:36They were helpless.

00:52:38In such a situation, if this has happened to those girls, then you can guess what a great injustice it is.

00:52:44Now, the Prime Minister has taken notice.

00:52:46And let's see how long he gets the report.

00:52:50But these incidents are very worrisome.

00:52:52And why are such incidents happening?

00:52:54Is there a lack of education? Is there a lack of awareness?

00:52:57And who are these people who still marry girls for money?

00:53:03And marry young girls who are still young enough to get an education.

00:53:09Which is considered a crime in our society.

00:53:13Let's talk about this.

00:53:14We have Sadia Javed with us from the Sindh Government.

00:53:16Sadia, first tell us about this incident.

00:53:19The number that is coming up, 45 girls are being told.

00:53:22How old will they be?

00:53:24In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful.

00:53:27Thank you very much.

00:53:28You invited me to talk about an important topic on the morning show.

00:53:35So, thank you.

00:53:38I have personally spoken to the Deputy Commissioner in the area.

00:53:43And I have also spoken to a couple of notables there.

00:53:48They have totally denied this.

00:53:52First, let me make it clear to you.

00:53:54They are totally denying it.

00:53:56The people of the village there.

00:53:58This is the village next to the bank in Manchal Jeel.

00:54:02Where the incident has been reported.

00:54:04I have been in touch with the Deputy Commissioner for the past two days.

00:54:09I have also taken updates from him on various occasions.

00:54:14I have tried to reach out to his family in the Sindh Government.

00:54:20The CM has also taken notice.

00:54:26You are saying that the people there are denying it.

00:54:29What is the Commissioner telling us?

00:54:31Because the Minister is asking a question beyond this.

00:54:33He is asking about the victims.

00:54:35The girls.

00:54:36Do they belong to those families who are affected by floods?

00:54:40Look, because this is the report.

00:54:43But the Deputy Commissioner has sent me a message.

00:54:49He has denied that such an incident has been reported in that area.

00:54:53That is why the CM initiated an inquiry.

00:54:57Under the head of Commissioner Hyderabad.

00:55:00And he has asked for an inquiry.

00:55:03Because we have all the numbers.

00:55:07The flood victims.

00:55:09How much relief has the Sindh Government given them?

00:55:12We also have that.

00:55:14So this complaint cannot be made.

00:55:17The place where these people live.

00:55:19Most of the people there work as fishermen.

00:55:22So at the moment, it is not an issue that the parents are in that crisis.

00:55:28But this incident.

00:55:30Such incidents should not happen.

00:55:33But you are not confirmed yet.

00:55:36You are saying that such incidents should not happen.

00:55:38Tell me one thing.

00:55:40The Sindh Government has a very strong law on this.

00:55:45Regarding the marriages of young girls.

00:55:47So tell me.

00:55:48If this incident has happened.

00:55:50If this report comes in front of you.

00:55:52Then what is the status of these marriages?

00:55:54And then the Sindh Government has brought its own law.

00:55:57Will it apply?

00:55:58What does that law say?

00:56:00Yes, absolutely.

00:56:02Sindh was the first province.

00:56:04Which had a marriage limit of 18 years.

00:56:08Of children and girls.

00:56:10Because this report used to happen many times.

00:56:14Marriage at a young age.

00:56:15Parents forced it.

00:56:17They made arrangements for money.

00:56:18It was a matter of conversion.

00:56:21If this matter is correct.

00:56:24And what the CM has done.

00:56:27Then the law will come into effect.

00:56:29There will be action against those parents.

00:56:32Who have forced their daughters.

00:56:35Married at a young age.

00:56:37And what has happened.

00:56:39There will be action against them too.

00:56:40Actually, they should come.

00:56:42Who are exploiting their financial situation.

00:56:48They are exploiting their life.

00:56:51They are exploiting their poverty.

00:56:53They are exploiting the girls.

00:56:55They are exploiting them.

00:56:57These people are marrying them.

00:56:59Actually, they should find out who they are.

00:57:01No, look.

00:57:03Both the parents.

00:57:05Both the parents.

00:57:07If this incident has happened.

00:57:10I am still saying.

00:57:11Because the final report has not come yet.

00:57:13The day before yesterday.

00:57:15The CM has said for the committee.

00:57:18Yesterday was Sunday.

00:57:20There was no working day.

00:57:22But the Deputy Commissioner was in contact with Dadu.

00:57:26And he is working on it.

00:57:28Very soon.

00:57:30He is saying in 2-3 days.

00:57:32That we will clear it.

00:57:34And if this incident has happened.

00:57:36And there is a marriage inside.

00:57:38The law will take its course.

00:57:43And both the parents.

00:57:45Should be punished.

00:57:47Such incidents should not happen.

00:57:49And especially.

00:57:51To Sailabh.

00:57:53Or to anyone.

00:57:55By showing compulsion.

00:57:57This is wrong.

00:57:59We have sent Sailabh.

00:58:01For you, it is concerning.

00:58:03That 45-year-old girls.

00:58:05This is not an individual incident.

00:58:07This is considered an activity.

00:58:09Which was organized.

00:58:11There can be a lot of people behind this.

00:58:13There can be an influential personality.

00:58:15Yes.

00:58:17Absolutely.

00:58:19This is wrong.

00:58:21In the world.

00:58:23This is wrong.

00:58:25The image of the Sindh government is wrong.

00:58:27Inside.

00:58:29Marriages are taking place.

00:58:31Or.

00:58:33Whoever is trying to exploit it.

00:58:35If wrong exploitation is taking place.

00:58:37That should also be enquired.

00:58:39It should be checked.

00:58:41This is wrong.

00:58:43We have not supported it.

00:58:45I think you remember.

00:58:47We expect this from the Sindh government.

00:58:49Because the Sindh government.

00:58:51Is very vocal about these issues.

00:58:53Implementation should also be on the law.

00:58:55There should not be legislation.

00:58:57You will be with us.

00:58:59Because your video.

00:59:01Is on the internet.

00:59:03In which.

00:59:05You have given the message.

00:59:07That.

00:59:09Electricity bills.

00:59:11Are a big burden for people.

00:59:13After a long time.

00:59:15Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif.

00:59:17He is the leader of Muslim League Noon.

00:59:19He did a press conference.

00:59:21With the Prime Minister of Punjab.

00:59:23He said that.

00:59:25He is aware of the problems.

00:59:27That the people are facing.

00:59:29Relief has been given to the extent of Punjab.

00:59:3114 rupees.

00:59:3314 rupees have been reduced.

00:59:35So that people can get relief.

00:59:37This is a very good decision.

00:59:39For the people of Punjab.

00:59:41This is a very good news.

00:59:43But the problem is.

00:59:45People are asking from every province.

00:59:47When will we get relief?

00:59:49The governor of Sindh.

00:59:51Kamran Tesori.

00:59:53He said that.

00:59:55The Sindh government should also.

00:59:57Give relief to the people of Sindh.

00:59:59And if there is a chance.

01:00:01Then why not.

01:00:03You responded to him.

01:00:05And you said in your video message.

01:00:07That we will give relief.

01:00:09This is a very good news.

01:00:11When will we get relief?

01:00:13Will 14 rupees per unit be reduced?

01:00:15In electricity bills.

01:00:17Yes.

01:00:19I responded to the governor yesterday.

01:00:21I told the governor.

01:00:23That.

01:00:25Such things.

01:00:27Unnecessary.

01:00:29Unnecessary.

01:00:31He is a smart man.

01:00:33And he should be smart.

01:00:37Such a point scoring.

01:00:39Is harmful to the country.

01:00:41Pakistan is in an energy crisis.

01:00:43He is talking for the good of the people.

01:00:45He is talking for the good of the people.

01:00:47But he should think.

01:00:49He is a symbol of loyalty.

01:00:51He should have talked to.

01:00:53The Prime Minister of Pakistan.

01:00:55He should have asked him.

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01:15:55Basically, we are not doing

01:15:57just seed balling.

01:15:59In fact,

01:16:01since there were school holidays,

01:16:03our idea is to

01:16:05bring together the kids of the school

01:16:07area-wise and get seed balls

01:16:09made from the kids of the school

01:16:11for their awareness

01:16:13of the importance

01:16:15of trees.

01:16:17For their awareness,

01:16:19we will bring together the kids of the school

01:16:21and get them to plant trees.

01:16:23If you do not plant the importance

01:16:25of trees in the minds of the kids

01:16:27from the grassroots level,

01:16:29then their success will be very difficult.

01:16:31The personal experience

01:16:33in which you get the sense that

01:16:35I have also planted a part

01:16:37for the betterment of this country,

01:16:39for the prosperity of this country,

01:16:41it matters a lot and it gets

01:16:43etched in your memory

01:16:45and your thinking moves forward in the same way.

01:16:47Thank you so much, Mr. Sajjad.

01:16:49This is a great initiative.

01:16:51It will take time,

01:16:53but we will have to start at some point.

01:16:55Let's take a break here

01:16:57and come back after the break.

01:17:05Welcome back once again.

01:17:07Let's talk about health.

01:17:09There is a lot of news these days,

01:17:11especially when the World Health Organization

01:17:13has warned the world

01:17:15that the monkeypox,

01:17:17Mpox,

01:17:19can be a threat to the world.

01:17:21The report was in Africa.

01:17:23But it was said that

01:17:25it can be a threat to the world.

01:17:27And since COVID-19 has come,

01:17:29people all over the world

01:17:31get worried

01:17:33when such news comes

01:17:35that we have seen the situation

01:17:37that how COVID-19 has taken the world

01:17:39in its arms.

01:17:41People are already worried.

01:17:43Its name is associated with monkeys.

01:17:45But research by scientists

01:17:47shows that it is found in rats.

01:17:49We will try to find out

01:17:51how dangerous it is in Pakistan.

01:17:53Because in Mardan,

01:17:55after a case of Mpox was found,

01:17:57the government immediately

01:17:59intervened.

01:18:01And the patient was

01:18:03quarantined at home.

01:18:07Emergency has been implemented

01:18:09in hospitals across the district.

01:18:11Hospitals in Peshawar

01:18:13have also been alerted.

01:18:15Screening has been started

01:18:17at the airport in Karachi.

01:18:19Screening of passengers

01:18:21is going on for 24 hours.

01:18:23So that if such a virus is found

01:18:25in a passenger coming from

01:18:27a foreign country,

01:18:29then it can be isolated.

01:18:31Let's talk about the history

01:18:33of a unique case in Mardan.

01:18:35What is the history of that person?

01:18:37Did he travel from another country?

01:18:39Our representatives

01:18:41Musarrat Asi are with us.

01:18:43First of all, tell us

01:18:45how it was identified

01:18:47that he had Mpox.

01:18:49Did he travel from another country?

01:18:51Is he a citizen of that country?

01:18:53What are the details?

01:18:55The patient

01:18:57who was diagnosed with Mpox

01:18:59was a resident

01:19:01in Saudi Arabia.

01:19:03He had a job there.

01:19:05He had an accident

01:19:07and broke his leg.

01:19:09When he returned home,

01:19:11he went to a hospital in Peshawar

01:19:13for treatment.

01:19:15There,

01:19:17he was tested

01:19:19for Mpox

01:19:21and the result was positive.

01:19:23After that,

01:19:25the patient disappeared from the hospital.

01:19:27The local administration

01:19:29and the health department

01:19:31were very worried.

01:19:33They found him after two days.

01:19:35After finding him in Peshawar,

01:19:37they took him to a special

01:19:39area called Manga.

01:19:41He was transferred there

01:19:43and he was isolated

01:19:45in his house.

01:19:47The team of the health department

01:19:49visited the area

01:19:51under the leadership

01:19:53of Javed Iqbal.

01:19:55The patient

01:19:57whose name is

01:19:59Muslim Sehd

01:20:01was taken care of.

01:20:03I think it is important

01:20:05to say that this is the area

01:20:07where the first case

01:20:09of COVID-19

01:20:11was found in Pakistan.

01:20:13The first case

01:20:15was in Manga

01:20:17where

01:20:19a person named

01:20:21Saadat Khan

01:20:23died due to

01:20:25COVID-19.

01:20:27He was transferred

01:20:29to all the hospitals in Delhi.

01:20:31There are two big hospitals

01:20:33Mardan Medical Complex

01:20:35and Musarrat Hospital.

01:20:41Can you tell us about

01:20:43the symptoms of COVID-19?

01:20:45Do you have any information

01:20:47about it?

01:20:49The doctors said

01:20:51that

01:20:53in the first stage of COVID-19,

01:20:55there are some minor

01:20:57symptoms such as

01:20:59headache, body pain,

01:21:01fever,

01:21:03and a broken body.

01:21:05The doctors said

01:21:07that the patient

01:21:09was taken to

01:21:11Saudi Arabia

01:21:13and was

01:21:15admitted here.

01:21:17Thank you so much,

01:21:19Musarrat.

01:21:21You told us about the situation

01:21:23and scientists were

01:21:25investigating it.

01:21:27COVID-19 came

01:21:29and people lost their attention.

01:21:31Is there a vaccine for COVID-19?

01:21:33Do you have any information

01:21:35about COVID-19?

01:21:37Thank you so much,

01:21:39Musarrat.

01:21:41Let's talk about India.

01:21:43In India,

01:21:45COVID-19 is a very

01:21:47common case.

01:21:49Two students had a fight

01:21:51in school.

01:21:53There was a fight

01:21:55over notebooks and books.

01:21:57It became a big issue.

01:21:59There were many incidents

01:22:01such as burning,

01:22:03and the government

01:22:05had to shut down

01:22:07the internet.

01:22:09We can see the police

01:22:11everywhere.

01:22:13We can see that

01:22:15there is a Muslim student

01:22:17in the 10th grade.

01:22:19His friend

01:22:21had a fight with him.

01:22:23The government

01:22:25took the Muslim student

01:22:27under their custody.

01:22:29We can see that

01:22:31the students

01:22:33and their community

01:22:35are condemning

01:22:37such a small incident

01:22:39and taking such a step.

01:22:41It is illegal.

01:22:43We can see

01:22:45that the situation

01:22:47in India is volatile.

01:22:49The history

01:22:51against Muslims

01:22:53is volatile.

01:22:55We have with us

01:22:57the Kashmiri journalist,

01:22:59Mishal Malik.

01:23:01Thank you so much for joining us.

01:23:03Mishal,

01:23:05can you tell us

01:23:07about the incident

01:23:09involving the children

01:23:11and the riots?

01:23:13Is it so concerning

01:23:15that the situation

01:23:17can get worse?

01:23:19Why is the government

01:23:21taking illegal steps

01:23:23against Muslims?

01:23:25In India,

01:23:27anti-minority bills

01:23:29were passed by BJP

01:23:31in the last term.

01:23:33Along with that,

01:23:35the riots in Delhi

01:23:37against Muslims,

01:23:39especially against the Darbars,

01:23:41and the Ayodhya temple

01:23:43that was built

01:23:45after the martyrdom

01:23:47of Babri Mosque

01:23:49was a long-term agenda.

01:23:51Muslims are being forced to convert.

01:23:53Their homes are being burnt.

01:23:55Their property rights

01:23:57are being taken away.

01:23:59Christians are being demarcated

01:24:01and their churches

01:24:03are being demolished.

01:24:05It's all over India.

01:24:07This extreme racial

01:24:09prejudice and

01:24:11fascism

01:24:13is not stopping.

01:24:15It's not stopping

01:24:17but the voices

01:24:19are getting louder.

01:24:21Especially those

01:24:23who raise their voices

01:24:25for humanity.

01:24:27For example,

01:24:29in Kashmir,

01:24:31the world is silent

01:24:33on the atrocities

01:24:35committed in Kashmir.

01:24:37I hope that

01:24:39things get better

01:24:41and that peace

01:24:43is maintained

01:24:45in Kashmir

01:24:47I'll see you again tomorrow.

01:24:49Keep giving your feedback.

01:24:51Allah Hafiz.

Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 19th AUG 2024

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