Rahul Asks Dr Zakir Naik why Allah is Egoistic and puts a person in Hell if he Worships someone...
Rahul Asks Dr Zakir Naik why Allah is Egoistic and puts a person in Hell if he Worships someone...
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00:00Just one question I have. You told me, we heard about that the Vedas say that don't
00:07make any images of the God, yeah? Whoever worships anything which has been created throws
00:13himself in darkness, right? The difference between Bhagawan and Allah is that Allah says
00:23that if you worship anyone apart from me, I will punish you forever and ever and I will
00:30not spare you of this sin. But nowhere in Hinduism's books would you see that Bhagawan
00:39is saying that if you worship anything apart from me, you will be put in Narak, which is
00:46the Hindi word for hell, forever and ever. Now what, why I am saying that to you is,
00:53the concept of God in Islam, Christianity and Judaism is the same in which he feels
01:01bad if anyone worships anything else apart from him. But the concept of the other side
01:08of the religions, which is Hinduism, Buddhism or those sides, the concept of God there,
01:14I think is more, the God of those religions is more large hearted because he doesn't say
01:20to you that I am going to put you in hell if you don't worship me. Although, although
01:25I understand that it is wrong to worship idols, it is wrong to worship created things, but
01:32I do feel that because that, I somehow feel that, you know, basically God, there is nothing
01:42like him, right? So why in the Quran or the Bible or the Jews scripture, we are attributing
01:50a human feeling to God that, let us say, my father gives me everything, he gives me all
01:56the money and I give that money to the poor people, right? Now one day, if I forget my
02:00father, yeah, so my father will feel bad. But this is a human nature. God is more large
02:07hearted than that. Even if I don't worship him, he should have no problems, you know,
02:11he should not put me to hell because that's egoistic. Egoism is a part of human nature,
02:17not of God, is what I feel, according to my understanding. Brother Rahul is an old friend
02:24of mine, mashallah. Whenever I come to Dubai, no question answer session goes without him
02:30asking a question. He is following me since many years, when I came in 2005, when I came
02:35last year and yesterday night, we had a good session for a couple of hours and though he
02:41didn't mention his name, he is Rahul, mashallah, and we pray that may Allah guide him, inshallah
02:47may Allah give hidayah, and he asks very good questions, always difficult questions, very
02:52good questions, I like it, it's a challenge for me. He asked me new questions, I like
02:57challenges and always I say he asked a good question. This is one of my last questions,
03:01sir, one of my last questions. Last question before you accept Islam. One of my last questions.
03:07Before you accept Islam. Clarify this, it just struck me. He told me he will not accept
03:12Islam in public, so I don't know probably. No, it's okay, will you clarify me on this?
03:16I'll clarify with you and I won't ask you to accept Islam in public, we have done that
03:20yesterday. Sir, Islam is a glorious religion and it's given me a lot of peace and I can
03:26say many good things about it, but please clarify. I'll clarify, you told me you have
03:31spent more time studying Islam than what you spend time in getting your degree of engineering.
03:37It is right, and I enjoy it more. Therefore, I enjoy your questions also. The brother asked
03:42a very good question, very attacking, very tricky, difficult question that he understands
03:48that all the religions, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism says there is no God except one God,
03:54don't make images, don't make idols, but Islam goes a step further. He will forgive any other
03:59sin except the sin of shirk. Surah Nisa chapter 4 verse 48, Surah Nisa chapter 4 verse 716.
04:06But in Hinduism, nowhere does it say that if you do shirk, Allah will not forgive you.
04:13Before I ask you a question about large heartedness, nowhere does the Quran say that if you commit
04:18a murder, Allah will not forgive you. Brother, nowhere does the Quran say that if you commit
04:24murder, Allah will not forgive you. Does it mean that I will go and commit murder? Brother,
04:30repeat again, sorry. Nowhere does the Quran say that if you commit murder, though it is
04:34the second largest sin in Islam, in the major sins, number two is committing murder of an
04:40innocent human being. Yes. After shirk is murder. Though the Quran says in Surah Maida
04:45chapter 5 verse 32, that if anyone kills any innocent human being, unless it be for murder
04:50or for creating corruption in the land, it is as though you have killed the whole of
04:53humanity. But nowhere does the Quran say that if you commit murder, Allah will not forgive
04:59you. Allah will never forgive you. Does it mean that I will go and commit murder? No.
05:05Yeah, enough. Same way, when the Vedas don't mention that if you don't do shirk, Allah
05:11will not forgive you, you should not do shirk. I understand. I understand. Very good. You
05:16are an understanding person. I'll come to the large heartedness one afterwards. I haven't
05:19answered your full question. I've only answered the first part of your first question. I'll
05:23come to your large heartedness afterwards. I'll come to it. But I like, you know, cutting
05:29down the questions so that you understand better. Or if you understand, the other people
05:34also should understand. You are an intelligent person, I know that. MashaAllah, engineer
05:37done from UK. That's why you told me yesterday. Now coming to your part of large heartedness,
05:43that in Islam, if you don't do this, I'll punish you. That is a human nature. That if
05:50the father gives money to the son, son gives in charity, tomorrow the son doesn't ask about
05:54the father. So father feels bad. It's human nature. I agree with you. God is far superior.
05:59I agree with you. So why does God feel bad? Very good question. Very intelligent question.
06:05Inshallah, you'll get convinced. I won't ask you to accept Islam here in public. That we
06:10have done that yesterday. Yes. The Quran says, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala does not require
06:17you. You require him. Now coming to the question. Now I'm making your question more easy. Why
06:23we have to say Allah o Akbar, Allah is the greatest. Allah asks you to say Allah o Akbar,
06:28Allah is the greatest. Tomorrow if you don't say Allah is the greatest, do you think Allah
06:32will become less? No. No. Whether you say or not, Allah is already the greatest. Irrespective
06:38whether you say or not, it will make no difference, not even out of difference. He's already the
06:44greatest. He will remain irrespective whether you say or not. Why does he ask you to say
06:49that is the question. The question is, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala knows the human psychology.
06:55For example, your mother has a heart attack. And now you have heard of a very famous heart
07:01specialist in the world. If you know he's famous, he will give you some advice for your mother.
07:08Another person who's unknown, he comes and gives you advice. Whose advice will you follow?
07:13Repeat again, sorry. If your mother has a heart attack. Yeah. There's a person who you know
07:19is the most famous heart specialist in the world. I would follow the advice of the specialist. Why?
07:24Because you know he's number one, he's most famous. So the reason Allah asks you to praise him
07:29is not for his benefit, it's for your benefit. Because the moment you praise Allah, you will
07:34follow his advice. By following his advice, Allah will not benefit, you will benefit. Yes. By the
07:41doctor giving advice to you, he will not benefit. Yes, you may give him fees so that way he'll
07:45benefit. You aren't giving any fees to Allah. So Allah doesn't benefit anything. But the moment
07:52you praise him, it is human. When you say Allah is the most wise, Allah is the greatest, Allah is
07:57the most merciful, most wise, he gives advice, I'll follow. Most greatest, I'll follow him.
08:02Most merciful, I'll follow him. So you'd say all these praises not to benefit him,
08:07to benefit yourself. Agreed, yes. So when you worship him, it does not benefit him, it benefits
08:13you. Yes. When you follow the advice of the doctor, it will benefit if you give him fees. Yes. You
08:19don't give any fees to Allah. Yes. It benefits you. Yes. So same way, Allah is large-hearted.
08:26By punishing you, do you think he will benefit? No. By punishing, he becomes…
08:32Answer, I'm coming to it, brother Rahul. Yeah, yeah. Let me complete my answer. Sure, sure.
08:38Yeah. By punishing you, he will not benefit, but he's giving you a fear. Why? If you have alcohol,
08:47he will punish you. If you have drugs, he'll punish you. Whether you have drugs or what
08:51difference does it make to him? Now, if he says, okay, don't have drugs, but if you have drugs,
08:57I will not punish you. Then will you have drugs or not, you'll have? If I give an examination…
09:02No, I won't have. If I'm convinced it's wrong for me, I won't have. I don't need that fear of the
09:07health. The fear of the health had to be put in my mind to avert me. Yes. God convinces people
09:13in different ways. Some people with reason and logic. You're a logical person, you're convinced
09:18in logic. Some people want fear, some people want punishment, some people want reward.
09:23There are three, four types of ways which Allah speaks. You get convinced with reason and logic,
09:28you're like me. Yeah. You're like me. Yes. Some people, they are not convinced with reason and
09:33logic. Leave logic. I'll get reward, I'll do it. I'll get punishment, I'll stay away.
09:39So, it's… But what's the truth? What happens? In reality, does it, is the fear, is it reality?
09:46Yes, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you. Reality is that the hellfire is there
09:49and the punishment is there, right? Let me complete the answer.
09:53Yeah, yeah. Will you allow me to complete the answer or you'll… Yes, please.
09:57Let me complete, I'll give you a chance. I'll give you a chance to say that you're convinced.
10:01Yes. But before I complete my answer, you're interjecting. Sure, sure. Yeah, please.
10:05After I complete, I'll give you a chance and ask you. Sure, yeah. Now, there's a teacher
10:10taking an examination. Two plus two is how much? Four. Convinced? Now, there are some people,
10:17the teacher says, okay, now in the examination, those who write correctly will get plus point,
10:23will pass. Those who don't write correctly will fail. Now, when the teacher is telling
10:28hundreds of things, it's difficult for everyone to remember. But if they want to remember,
10:33you write. If you write correct, I'll pass you. If you write wrong, I'll fail you. So,
10:37now the student starts memorizing. He starts like you passed your engineering. You're afraid of
10:44failing. Yes. If you wouldn't have studied, you would have failed. So, teacher says, no problem,
10:48even if you write wrong, I will give you pass degree. Will you study? No. Though you're logical,
10:55you understand Boyle's law, you understand trigonometry, you understand chemistry,
11:00but to remember, you have to stay awake, you have to slog. Teacher says, no problem,
11:05you understood? You write in the examination, right or wrong? Two plus two is three,
11:09I will pass you. Will you study? Well, it depends. I won't, but probably someone who is
11:14more sensitive would study to learn some knowledge. Correct. If the teacher says, now your aim is to
11:20get the degree. Yeah. Once you understand, if you fail, if you fail, you won't get the degree.
11:27So, here almighty God speaks logically. Some people logically doesn't make a difference whether
11:32hellfire is your heaven is there. Other people, you do it, you get a reward. Like when you speak
11:37to your child, sometimes you speak logically, sometimes you say, you know, I'll give you a
11:41chocolate. Yes. Sometimes, I will give you one slap. Yeah. So, this is what God knows the
11:48psychology of the human being. He's our creator. Sometimes logic, sometimes reasoning, sometimes
11:53reward, sometimes punishment. But once he says he has to follow, he can't lie. Once he says,
11:59he has to follow. So, he's trying to convince you. Suppose your son. Yeah. Yeah. I know you're
12:05not married. Yeah. I know you're not married. Inshallah, one day when you get married and if
12:10your son. Yes. And your son, inshallah, you'll marry a Muslim, inshallah. Yes, inshallah. So,
12:16your son, when you have a son. Yeah. Five years old, he wants to jump from 10th floor. You say,
12:21my son, don't jump. You'll die. I want to jump. You know, you will die. No problem. I want to jump.
12:28One slap you'll give him. Right or wrong? Yes. You'll tell him, I'll slap you. Yes. Yet,
12:32if he wants to jump, you'll slap him. Yes. A father is cruel to be kind. Is your intention
12:37to hurt him? No. Your intention is to hurt him literally so that he prevents from the bigger
12:42hurt. Yes. So, here if he says, no, no, I'm only acting. Maybe for some literal time, you'll think,
12:48I'll punish you and you don't punish him. But if he wants to jump, you'll not wait till he jumps.
12:53You'll give him one tight slap. The same way God here, he tells you, this is good, this is bad,
12:58this is reward, this is punishment. And once he says something, he's honest. In Islam, God is the
13:05most kind. He wants the human being to improve. The other God, okay, no problem. Even if you
13:11write wrong, I'll pass you. What kind of a teacher is this? Suppose tomorrow, there's a student
13:17studying with you. He writes wrong answers. You slog. You stay awake in the night. This person
13:22plays hooky, enjoys, writes everything wrong. And the teacher says, both get first class first.
13:28Will you be happy with the teacher? No. Why? You're a very unkind person. Very cruel.
13:35Unkind. Not a good human being. I'm wrong. Because you believe in justice. So, besides God being kind
13:42and merciful, he's also just. Imagine someone rapes your sister, rapes your mother. God says,
13:47no problem. I'll forgive. On the day of judgment, won't you tell God? No, that's okay. No, that's
13:53okay. I'm talking about God being egoistic on his own self. He's not egoistic at all.
13:58No, but he's saying, if you do shit, then I will put you in hellfire forever and ever. I'm not
14:03saying that he should not punish wrong deeds. But he's putting on his own self that if you
14:09associated partners with me, along with worshipping me, if you worship someone else,
14:14even then I will not forgive you. That's the right thing. That's egoism. If the doctor says,
14:20if suppose a heart specialist tells your mother, see, this is a good thing. Have only this medicine,
14:25nothing else. Someone else says, okay, have this medicine also. So, that heart specialist tells you,
14:31if you mix it with something else, your mother will die. So, will you listen to somebody else
14:35or not? Will you listen or not? Heart specialist is saying, don't have anything else except this
14:42orbitrate. Keep it below your tongue. Yes. Another doctor comes, you know, I'm a very good doctor.
14:47You don't know him also. I will listen to heart specialist. Correct. Yes. Heart specialist
14:52specialised, but God is a big heart specialist. So, heart specialist you want to follow,
14:57you don't want to follow your creator who's created your heart. No, no, no, sir, sir. Wait,
15:01wait, wait, wait. Let me complete. Yes. Let me complete. Yes, yes, yes. So, you, being logical,
15:09when you want to follow the heart specialist, when the heart specialist tells you,
15:12don't listen to anyone else because they have told you the total truth, that heart specialist
15:17can be wrong because he's a human being. Almighty God, when he says, do not worship
15:22anyone else besides me, he knows that if you think somebody else is also the greatest
15:29and if you follow and follow something wrong, it will harm you.
15:31God does not want to see to it that his creations are harmed. He's going out of the way to give you
15:40an ultimate warning. Other sins, maybe I will forgive. That is one type of murder is one type
15:47of sin, very wrong, second largest. But one, if you worship somebody else, you can do anything.
15:53You can start murdering, you can start having drugs, you can start raping, too dangerous.
15:58This is the guidance. It is complete because he's the creator. He knows no one else is the creator.
16:05Now, someone else tries to behave like a creator when God knows no one else can create you.
16:12It is very dangerous. That's the reason he says that following advice, worshiping anyone,
16:17obeying anyone as the creator, not obeying normally. Normally, you want to obey your father,
16:22no problem, obey your mother, no problem. Going against the commandments of almighty God.
16:27Worshiping somebody else. That is what I'm trying to find out. Is that the right God
16:31who is saying that if you associated partners with me, I will never forgive this sin.
16:36You are taking it's a catch 22. I am questioning whether a God who thinks like that,
16:42is that the correct God? Correct God. You are saying you are saying he is the correct God.
16:46Why? Why? Why? I have checked up with science. This Quran passes the test. When I put science
16:53to your Hindu scriptures, it fails. When I put science to Bible, it fails. So even if I agree
16:58with you, with my earlier question, maybe this is ambiguous. Fine. 80% is proved to be 100% correct.
17:0520% is ambiguous. Inshallah, logically, even this will be right. If I have to put that way.
17:10But the other way, if a doctor who solved... Stronger argument would be that 100% is correct.
17:15100% of it is proved that it is correct. If 20% is ambiguous is there...
17:18I'll tell you one thing, brother, your mind hasn't reached that level.
17:22My mind hasn't reached that level. The science hasn't reached that level. Maybe 100 years
17:28afterward, 1000 years after, it will be proved 100% correct. We are limited. The problem is in
17:33you and me, not in the Quran. Similarly, but a person who's very powerful, a person who's a
17:39heart specialist, he knows his stuff very well. He'll be sure. Do this, nothing else. A person
17:44who's not sure, okay, I have this medicine also, have that medicine also. So a person who's
17:49cocksure of himself, like the creator almighty God, he will give this commandment. Now he's
17:54cocksure. You are not cocksure about him that he's the creator. Once you're cocksure, you'll
18:00follow. I'm cocksure that this is the word of almighty God. You aren't. So once your research
18:06gets complete, you know very well that the other scriptures don't pass the test. I challenge you
18:12to get any scripture that you know of, which is even close to the Quran. No, this is the strongest
18:16scripture that I've ever read. That's for sure. So when you know, I can't ask you to accept because
18:23you know we spoke yesterday. But when you know it is the thing, then the ego is in you, not in
18:29almighty God. The ego is in you. I don't have ego. And I pray to almighty God. I have read this is
18:36the strongest. I pray to almighty God, you know, because I love you Rahul. Yes, I love you too. I
18:42love you. That's the reason I pray to almighty God to give Hidayah. You don't have to proclaim.
18:46You asked me yesterday, do I have to proclaim? I said, no, you don't have to proclaim.
18:49So I think that you are a person who submits your will to God and may God guide you and may
18:55you get a good submitting Muslim life partner. Thank you. Thank you.