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00:00:00Faliq, Faliq, Faliq, Faliq. I can't focus this week. But before that, welcome to Borat Celebrity. My name is Dina Nazir.
00:00:21And I'm Faliq.
00:00:22I can't focus, Faliq.
00:00:24Why?
00:00:25I'm nervous.
00:00:26Why are you nervous? Because it's your first time meeting?
00:00:29Yes, it's my first time meeting.
00:00:31Okay, and after that?
00:00:32The vocalist of this group is my idol.
00:00:34Okay.
00:00:35I've been interested in her for a long time.
00:00:36Okay.
00:00:37Even though this band was established in 1996, but I've been interested in her since 2001-2002.
00:00:43Back then, I was still in school.
00:00:44It's quite late to be interested in this band.
00:00:45Why?
00:00:46Before, the song wasn't good?
00:00:49Just kidding, kidding.
00:00:51My heart hurts.
00:00:53Do you want to?
00:00:54I just want to ask.
00:00:55We know that this band uses a female vocalist.
00:00:58That's right.
00:00:59Are there any other bandmates that you're interested in?
00:01:01I've heard that one of them is single.
00:01:04That's beautiful.
00:01:05Maybe it's meant for her.
00:01:11Is that someone else?
00:01:12Yes.
00:01:13Let's introduce her.
00:01:14We have Coklat.
00:01:16Hello.
00:01:18Hello, guys. How are you guys?
00:01:19Hello.
00:01:20Thank you.
00:01:21Thank you.
00:01:22You speak in English.
00:01:23Not really.
00:01:24How is everything in Malaysia?
00:01:26Very good.
00:01:27It's raining.
00:01:29It's hot.
00:01:30That's normal.
00:01:31Why is it sunny in Indonesia?
00:01:33It's the same.
00:01:34It's the same.
00:01:35It's the same.
00:01:36It's raining, it's hot.
00:01:37It's normal.
00:01:38How long have you been in Malaysia?
00:01:40This is the 4th or 5th day?
00:01:42We've been here since Sunday.
00:01:46It's been a week.
00:01:47Five days.
00:01:48Have you eaten Nasi Lemak, Roti Canai?
00:01:50Yes.
00:01:51Nasi Kandar, Nasi Lemak.
00:01:52Banana Leaf.
00:01:53Banana Leaf Rice.
00:01:54Nasi Nong Pisang.
00:01:55Nasi Nong Pisang.
00:01:56We've tried everything.
00:01:58We can't discuss this right now.
00:02:00I'm hungry.
00:02:01I'm sorry.
00:02:02This is Food Hunter.
00:02:03Food Hunter.
00:02:04Okay.
00:02:05But before that,
00:02:06maybe some of you are confused.
00:02:08Maybe you don't know Coklat yet.
00:02:10Who is he?
00:02:11Which one is he?
00:02:12Okay.
00:02:13Introduce yourself.
00:02:14Customary, of course.
00:02:15Yes.
00:02:16Okay.
00:02:17I'm Ervin, a drummer.
00:02:19I'm Ernest, a guitarist.
00:02:21I'm Rohni, a bass player.
00:02:23I'm Edwin, a guitarist.
00:02:25And I'm Kikan, a vocalist.
00:02:27Yes.
00:02:30That's it.
00:02:31So, once again,
00:02:32this band was formed in 1996.
00:02:34Correct.
00:02:35But the first album was released in 2000.
00:02:37In 2000.
00:02:38Correct.
00:02:39Why did you wait for the first album for four years?
00:02:41Yes, because actually in 1998,
00:02:43we joined
00:02:47in a compilation album.
00:02:49It's called Indie 10.
00:02:51So, Coklat only has one song in the album
00:02:53with nine other bands.
00:02:55But it all started from there.
00:02:57It's the same with...
00:02:58Maybe the Malaysian public also knows
00:03:01that the compilation has Paddy.
00:03:03Yes.
00:03:04There's Paddy, there's Coklat.
00:03:05There's Coklat.
00:03:06In the same album.
00:03:07After that, we got a contract
00:03:09to work on our own album.
00:03:12That's why it was only in 2000.
00:03:14So, from the compilation album,
00:03:16you just got a contract
00:03:18with a record company?
00:03:19Yes.
00:03:20Wow.
00:03:21That's it.
00:03:22How did you two form?
00:03:23That's it.
00:03:24But how did Coklat...
00:03:26We know that these guys
00:03:28are siblings, right?
00:03:29Yes.
00:03:30Edwin and...
00:03:31Ernest.
00:03:32Ernest, siblings.
00:03:33How did the others meet?
00:03:34How did we combine
00:03:36to become Coklat?
00:03:38Okay.
00:03:39Actually, out of the five people here now,
00:03:42this is already a formation.
00:03:45But the original
00:03:47from Day One Coklat
00:03:49is me and Ronnie.
00:03:52Edwin has replaced other people.
00:03:54Erwin replaced other people.
00:03:55Ernest has also replaced other people.
00:03:57Back then, me and Ronnie
00:03:59were in the same university in Bandung.
00:04:01That's how we met.
00:04:03And from there,
00:04:04Coklat was formed
00:04:08just for playing games.
00:04:12Just for fun.
00:04:13Just for fun.
00:04:14And we...
00:04:15Kikan is my senior.
00:04:16No, no, no.
00:04:17He doesn't know.
00:04:19No way.
00:04:20No way, no way, no way.
00:04:31This is style.
00:04:32Style.
00:04:33This is Hollywood style.
00:04:35Really?
00:04:36Why didn't you do it?
00:04:37I don't have it.
00:04:39Baby face.
00:04:41So, Kikan started there
00:04:43with Ronnie.
00:04:45We met at the campus.
00:04:47At first,
00:04:48we only brought cover songs.
00:04:50Because at that time,
00:04:52what was happening was
00:04:55female vocalists from abroad
00:04:58like Alanis Morissette,
00:04:59Lisa Loop, and so on.
00:05:01At first, we only brought
00:05:03cover songs.
00:05:05Until one day,
00:05:06before the compilation album,
00:05:10we thought,
00:05:11I'm bored.
00:05:12I'm bored to bring people's songs.
00:05:13Let's start.
00:05:14Let's make our own songs.
00:05:17Then, we released the compilation album.
00:05:19Okay.
00:05:20Wow, wow.
00:05:21Do you remember the title of the song
00:05:23in the compilation album?
00:05:24Of course, Bunga Tidur.
00:05:25Bunga Tidur.
00:05:26Yes, that's the title.
00:05:28Sleeping Flower.
00:05:29Sleeping Flower.
00:05:31Bunga Tidur means dream in Indonesia.
00:05:34Dream.
00:05:35Yes.
00:05:36Bunga Tidur means dream in Indonesia.
00:05:38Dream.
00:05:39Okay, okay.
00:05:40So, now I want to tell you,
00:05:41I was Bunga Tidur last night.
00:05:44But Bunga Tidur means good.
00:05:47Not like that.
00:05:48Good.
00:05:49It's not like that.
00:05:50Oh, it's not?
00:05:51For example,
00:05:52you were my sleeping flower last night.
00:05:54Oh my.
00:05:55Yes, yes, yes.
00:05:56Hold on.
00:05:57Hold on.
00:05:58The person next to me is sick.
00:05:59He doesn't know how to do it.
00:06:00Don't be fooled.
00:06:02Don't be fooled by him.
00:06:03He's quick to melt.
00:06:06That's a problem.
00:06:08Take care of yourself.
00:06:09I won't come back to Indonesia.
00:06:12No, no.
00:06:13I'm kidding.
00:06:14But after that,
00:06:15you met other people.
00:06:16Yes.
00:06:17After that, how was it?
00:06:18Did you change?
00:06:19Yes.
00:06:20Other than the band?
00:06:21Okay.
00:06:22So, after me and Ronnie,
00:06:23then...
00:06:25Before the compilation, right?
00:06:26The next one is Ervin.
00:06:28Ervin replaced the old drummer.
00:06:30Because Ervin is one campus with us.
00:06:33With me and Ronnie.
00:06:35Junior.
00:06:36Junior.
00:06:37Okay, younger.
00:06:38I'm the youngest here.
00:06:39Come on, stop it, guys.
00:06:40That was before the compilation, right?
00:06:42Yes.
00:06:43Before the compilation,
00:06:44Ervin replaced the old drummer.
00:06:47Then,
00:06:48Ervin brought Edwin and Ernest
00:06:51to Dalem Coklat.
00:06:52Because they're childhood friends.
00:06:56In Kalimantan.
00:06:57Borneo.
00:06:58Childhood, right.
00:06:59Childhood.
00:07:00Childhood, right.
00:07:01Childhood friends.
00:07:04Childhood.
00:07:06Childhood.
00:07:08But at that time,
00:07:09Ernest and Edwin,
00:07:10there's no other band?
00:07:12There is.
00:07:13But at that time,
00:07:15just after the compilation,
00:07:18just before Coklat
00:07:20wanted to make the first full album,
00:07:23I joined.
00:07:25I was invited to join through Ervin.
00:07:27Finally, I joined.
00:07:29And in 1999,
00:07:34we started...
00:07:36It was late 1998.
00:07:37I remember it was late 1998.
00:07:39Until 1999.
00:07:41That's when Coklat's songs started
00:07:44for the first full album.
00:07:47Okay.
00:07:48And we kept going.
00:07:53And we were just four of us.
00:07:57Yes.
00:07:58Before Ernest became an official member,
00:08:01we were only four of us.
00:08:03After the second album.
00:08:05The new album.
00:08:06Karma's album.
00:08:07The third album,
00:08:08Ernest joined.
00:08:10Oh, it's great that he joined.
00:08:12Yes.
00:08:13Okay.
00:08:14It's a good fortune.
00:08:15It's a good fortune.
00:08:16No need.
00:08:17I'm sorry, my friend.
00:08:18It's true.
00:08:19It's true.
00:08:20I like it.
00:08:21We have to be smart.
00:08:23If the Americans say,
00:08:25shoot right away.
00:08:26That's right.
00:08:27Why is it so hard?
00:08:28There's already a platform.
00:08:30Right.
00:08:31Don't think too much.
00:08:33So,
00:08:34Dinah,
00:08:35I'm sure this information has been shared.
00:08:37But maybe many people don't know.
00:08:39How did you get the name Coklat?
00:08:42Do you like eating chocolate?
00:08:43Do you like eating chocolate?
00:08:44Or is that how you came up with it?
00:08:46So,
00:08:48Coklat's name changed at first.
00:08:52There was Kikan and the Shalala.
00:08:55Kikan and the Party Boys.
00:08:58Kikan and the Kodok.
00:09:00Kodok?
00:09:02Kodok means frog.
00:09:06Anyway,
00:09:07the name didn't have a fixed name.
00:09:10Okay.
00:09:11So,
00:09:12at that time,
00:09:13we were about to record a demo in the studio.
00:09:16The old guitarist, Robert,
00:09:18was asked by the studio manager.
00:09:22What's the name of the band?
00:09:25He was confused.
00:09:26He wasn't confident.
00:09:27He was embarrassed to say Kikan and the Party Boys.
00:09:30He was embarrassed.
00:09:31So, Robert came up with the name Coklat.
00:09:36Why Coklat?
00:09:37Because Coklat is a food loved by parents,
00:09:40children,
00:09:41men,
00:09:42and women.
00:09:43So, we hope our music can be loved like Coklat.
00:09:48Yes.
00:09:49Okay.
00:09:50The first song to be released in Malaysia
00:09:53is the song Karma.
00:09:54The first song to be released in Malaysia.
00:09:56How did you get the name Coklat?
00:09:59How did you get the name Coklat?
00:10:01It's viral in Malaysia.
00:10:03It's viral.
00:10:04It also happened in Indonesia.
00:10:10The first album, Coklat,
00:10:12the hit single, Pergi,
00:10:14wasn't too booming.
00:10:16Even in Indonesia.
00:10:18Okay.
00:10:19When the second album was released,
00:10:22the first song, Karma,
00:10:26in Indonesia,
00:10:27in every day,
00:10:29every week,
00:10:31it got scandalized.
00:10:32On the radio,
00:10:34on music shows.
00:10:38Music shows.
00:10:40That's right.
00:10:41They were sung
00:10:43in traffic lights,
00:10:44in restaurants,
00:10:45and so on.
00:10:46And this made the song Karma
00:10:50more popular.
00:10:51And as usual, if the song is already popular and has a label, it's usually brought to Malaysia.
00:11:00And indeed, we also heard that the song was booming in Kuala Lumpur.
00:11:07And even Coklat promoted it when the album was released.
00:11:12And we also had the opportunity to be awarded by the Malaysian music industry because of the song.
00:11:19And it's proven that the song is very popular here.
00:11:24In fact, how old are you now?
00:11:28Every time we sing the song Karma, whether it's on the radio or anywhere, the response is very positive.
00:11:36So we are very grateful that the song can be the opening door for Coklat to be in Malaysia.
00:11:43And the first Coklat concert was in Malaysia in 2004, if I'm not mistaken, Dina.
00:11:49At the Monkiara Equestrian. I went there.
00:11:52You were there?
00:11:53I was there.
00:11:54Dina is really interested in Coklat.
00:11:56I went there.
00:11:57Thank you.
00:11:5820 years ago, right?
00:12:00Yes, exactly 20 years ago.
00:12:02At that time, I was competing for the Malaysian Idol.
00:12:05I ran.
00:12:06Did you see that?
00:12:07I ran.
00:12:08How old were you then?
00:12:09I was 19 years old.
00:12:11So I ran from the hotel to see the concert.
00:12:15That's it.
00:12:16Why?
00:12:17No, she asked when you ran to see the concert, how old were you?
00:12:1919 years old.
00:12:20Now you're only 20 years old.
00:12:2120 years old.
00:12:23Almost 20 years ago, 20 years old.
00:12:25No need to finish it there.
00:12:27So it's about 39 years old.
00:12:30Enough.
00:12:31It's enough to finish it there.
00:12:33I hate it.
00:12:35So that was the first Coklat concert in Malaysia.
00:12:40There were so many people at that time.
00:12:42Is there anything that you missed?
00:12:44Because your concert is not long away.
00:12:46Yes.
00:12:47In Malaysia.
00:12:48From the time we released Karma until the last time we performed,
00:12:55that was in 2009, right?
00:12:57In Malaysia, that was in 2009.
00:12:59We performed in Malaysia three times.
00:13:05Four times.
00:13:07At Malam Indonesia, at Bukit Tiara, at Akademi Fantasia.
00:13:18We really love Kuala Lumpur.
00:13:22We love Malaysia.
00:13:25Because the response of Malaysians to Coklat was good.
00:13:31We like the food.
00:13:33We like the media that really supports Coklat.
00:13:38We also like the women.
00:13:41Yes.
00:13:42They're kind.
00:13:44They're kind.
00:13:45They're really kind.
00:13:48They're nice.
00:13:50We have a lot of friends here.
00:13:52So it's full of impressions.
00:13:54Awecun.
00:13:55Awecun.
00:13:57I didn't hear it.
00:13:58I heard it from the microphone.
00:13:59Awecun.
00:14:00She said Awec.
00:14:01No.
00:14:02So we always look forward to every opportunity to go to Malaysia.
00:14:08And in Indonesia, our career is also Coklat.
00:14:12Alhamdulillah, it's going well.
00:14:14Yes.
00:14:15We keep going until our performance in Mana in 2010, Kikan was released.
00:14:23Yes.
00:14:24From our first album until Kikan was released in 2010, that was the first session.
00:14:31First chapter.
00:14:32First chapter of Coklat.
00:14:34Why Kikan, when you were released, who did you fight with?
00:14:36Tell us.
00:14:37Which one did you fight with?
00:14:39Don't.
00:14:40This is going to be a discussion.
00:14:42Can we open it?
00:14:44Can we ask this question after the concert?
00:14:46Can we open it?
00:14:47When I'm like this, it means I want to gossip.
00:14:50Nervous.
00:14:51Why Kikan, at that time?
00:14:54Let's just open it all.
00:14:57But we'll fight again later.
00:14:59We'll fight again.
00:15:00No.
00:15:01No.
00:15:02It's ripe now.
00:15:03It's ripe.
00:15:04Continue.
00:15:05Continue.
00:15:07If you ask who I fought with, honestly, the five of us, we fight each other.
00:15:14Bad.
00:15:15Badly.
00:15:16Because playing in a band is like getting married.
00:15:20The five of us got married.
00:15:22With our own egos.
00:15:25With different visions.
00:15:28Different desires.
00:15:30But at that time...
00:15:32One more thing.
00:15:33Different kind of gossips.
00:15:35Different kind of gossips.
00:15:37Different level of gossips.
00:15:40Someone's being naughty.
00:15:42She's the one who said it.
00:15:44She's the one who said it.
00:15:46This podcast is going to be in Indonesia.
00:15:48Be careful.
00:15:49Be careful.
00:15:50Be careful.
00:15:52Ma'am.
00:15:53Ma'am.
00:15:55You're being naughty.
00:15:56Okay.
00:15:57So, if we can continue.
00:15:59So, at that time in the year...
00:16:02Actually, the album Karma was released in 2002.
00:16:06From 2002, since Karma booming.
00:16:08Until 2010, for 8 years.
00:16:13The condition was going up and down.
00:16:16For me, personally.
00:16:18I was the first person to get married.
00:16:22Among the five of us.
00:16:24I was the only one who got pregnant.
00:16:27And had a child.
00:16:28Meanwhile, Coklat had a full schedule.
00:16:33We were touring.
00:16:35Then...
00:16:36Releasing single.
00:16:37Releasing single.
00:16:38We had to work on the album.
00:16:39Because there was pressure from the label.
00:16:41This is momentum.
00:16:43You have to keep it.
00:16:45So, it was very stressful for me personally.
00:16:49Especially because I just had a child.
00:16:51So, the juggling between the two of us.
00:16:54For a long time, I felt very heavy.
00:16:57And I believe at that time, I was a baby blues.
00:17:02There was a little depression, maybe.
00:17:04I don't know.
00:17:05That wasn't cured properly.
00:17:07So, in the end, I always felt...
00:17:12Spending time with Coklat was stressful.
00:17:16Because I felt guilty with my child.
00:17:18I was left at home.
00:17:20I've tried to negotiate with Coklat's friends.
00:17:25Or from the management.
00:17:27But we never met halfway.
00:17:30It was hard to meet in the middle.
00:17:32So, in 2010, I told my friends.
00:17:38I'm really sorry.
00:17:39But I can't do this anymore.
00:17:41And of course, to be able to reach that decision.
00:17:44I've thought about it thoroughly.
00:17:46I also know the consequences.
00:17:49It means I'm not only disappointing...
00:17:52All my brothers.
00:17:54These four here.
00:17:55But I'm also definitely disappointing our crew.
00:17:59Management, fans club.
00:18:01And there are still many people who care about Coklat.
00:18:05And I understand.
00:18:07When I finally made that decision.
00:18:10My friends finally let go of me.
00:18:14It's okay.
00:18:15We can't be held back anymore.
00:18:17Even that must be full of disappointment.
00:18:20My friends must be full of disappointment.
00:18:22Because the five of us have a very close relationship.
00:18:27We're not just playing music.
00:18:32We're not just colleagues.
00:18:33We're not just meeting on stage or in the practice studio.
00:18:36We're very close.
00:18:38Like brothers.
00:18:40So, for me to leave them.
00:18:44Of course, it's something that's hard for my friends.
00:18:49After that, our relationship is really bad.
00:18:53Blocked on social media.
00:18:56On WhatsApp and so on.
00:18:57Yes.
00:18:58It's bad.
00:18:59It's a fight.
00:19:02It's a fight. It's normal.
00:19:05Moreover, at that time, it can be said.
00:19:10And indeed, when Kikan left Coklat.
00:19:15We also have a family.
00:19:19There are also responsibilities as parents.
00:19:24Not just that.
00:19:25Our career responsibilities too.
00:19:28Because Coklat really at that time.
00:19:30When Kikan left, it wasn't in a bad position.
00:19:35We were in the top position.
00:19:38In the peak.
00:19:41High tour hours.
00:19:44But we couldn't hold Kikan anymore.
00:19:49And finally we allowed Kikan not to be with Coklat anymore.
00:19:54And indeed at that time.
00:19:57We all agreed that Coklat had to go.
00:20:00And finally we auditioned for vocals.
00:20:02And it went on and on.
00:20:05Which we were like brothers.
00:20:10Like family.
00:20:12Along the journey of Coklat with our first vocalist.
00:20:15Sarah Haju.
00:20:16She was one of the former finalists.
00:20:19Indonesian Idol too.
00:20:20So 12 years ago, Coklat went with 4 vocalists.
00:20:23Sarah Haju.
00:20:24Jacqueline Rossi.
00:20:26Ayu, the vocalist of Garasi.
00:20:28And Astrid, the soloist.
00:20:32In our journey, it wasn't easy for Coklat.
00:20:36So Coklat, me, Ronnie, and Ernest.
00:20:40While on the journey, Ervin was worried.
00:20:45Ervin was worried.
00:20:47He was confused whether to continue Coklat without Kikan.
00:20:52Or like what, he was confused.
00:20:54In that condition, after Kikan resigned.
00:20:59We asked Ervin.
00:21:01For Ervin, you should resign.
00:21:06Because you seem to be out of focus.
00:21:08And it's getting harder.
00:21:11At that point.
00:21:13Who would have thought.
00:21:15Coklat was in a broken condition.
00:21:20Not broken, but broken.
00:21:24Maybe people...
00:21:27We didn't expect Coklat to go through that.
00:21:32Along the journey, it wasn't easy for Coklat.
00:21:39Because everyone asked for Kikan to come back.
00:21:42Coklat wasn't with Kikan.
00:21:44It was better to disband.
00:21:46And at that time, Kikan hadn't returned to music.
00:21:49He hadn't done a solo.
00:21:51He was still out of music.
00:21:53And he wasn't in the media.
00:21:57Which sometimes provoked.
00:21:59Yes, like him.
00:22:02Especially on social media.
00:22:04Maybe Ernest can tell.
00:22:06We were still young.
00:22:08Whatever bad things happened to us, we took care of it.
00:22:11In my opinion, it's stupid.
00:22:14But we were still young.
00:22:16Maybe Ernest can tell.
00:22:18At that time, I was in charge of social media.
00:22:23I was in charge.
00:22:25And there were still a lot of fans on Twitter.
00:22:29The fans were really disappointed.
00:22:32Because at that time, we didn't announce Kikan's return.
00:22:36We just released a new single with a new vocalist.
00:22:39There was never a statement that Kikan was out of Coklat.
00:22:42There was no closure.
00:22:46I had to answer everything.
00:22:48What hurt me was that there were some Indonesian musicians...
00:22:53...who had to tweet and mention that Coklat was going to be destroyed.
00:22:58It was going to be destroyed.
00:23:00The magic was gone. The career was going to be destroyed.
00:23:03I mean, how could you say that?
00:23:06We told the musicians to come and talk to us.
00:23:09Don't post it on social media.
00:23:13And finally, we had to debate.
00:23:16We had to fight with everyone.
00:23:18Our friends, musicians, everyone.
00:23:20We had to fight one by one.
00:23:24Until there was a statement.
00:23:26We were sad. We didn't want Kikan to leave.
00:23:29It's not that we pushed Kikan to leave.
00:23:32But this is the reality.
00:23:34We had to keep going.
00:23:36We still had a lot of tour schedules to finish.
00:23:40We had to find money.
00:23:42We still had to finish our recording contract.
00:23:44It was all because we didn't feel good about it.
00:23:48We had become each other's father.
00:23:52It was one of the lowest points in our career.
00:23:59Kikan left us with a lot of pain.
00:24:04Maybe it was those things that made us who we are today.
00:24:13We hated Kikan so much.
00:24:17Everything about Kikan always tried to avoid us.
00:24:21Especially when Kikan came back to music as a solo.
00:24:26And Ervin was the drummer.
00:24:32Kikan as a solo and Coklat as a duet.
00:24:36It was really head to head.
00:24:40Can you imagine?
00:24:43But we're thankful that we've never been on the same stage or event.
00:24:48And we've never met at the airport.
00:24:50It was like that for 12 years.
00:24:54I can tell you that Kikan didn't like it when people called him Coklat.
00:25:01Why?
00:25:02He really hated it.
00:25:04Which one did you hate the most?
00:25:07There's no more.
00:25:09You're making it worse.
00:25:11But why?
00:25:13I'm getting emotional.
00:25:15There's still time to discuss.
00:25:18I'm getting emotional.
00:25:20This is just the beginning.
00:25:23This is only 30%.
00:25:25I'm getting emotional.
00:25:28If you ask me, it's the same as what Edwin said.
00:25:34The other kids that I left must have hated me.
00:25:39Because it's hard for them to struggle without me.
00:25:42And they must have thought that it's all because of Kikan.
00:25:46It's all because Kikan left us.
00:25:50It's the same for me.
00:25:52Because it's not that easy for me to start my solo career.
00:26:01I don't know about Malaysia, but in Indonesia,
00:26:04the band format has its own power.
00:26:08So when I left Coklat and started as a solo artist,
00:26:11I still lost that power.
00:26:15That I'm not in a band anymore, I'm a solo artist.
00:26:18Then, why do I hate it when people call me Kikan Coklat?
00:26:27And even on some stages,
00:26:30the host would say,
00:26:33Kikan Coklat!
00:26:35I can't do it.
00:26:37I don't want to go on stage.
00:26:39My manager, Uzir, would immediately look for the I.O.
00:26:44Why is it called Kikan Coklat?
00:26:46Because at that time, I became a solo artist with the name Kikan Namara.
00:26:51My real name.
00:26:54And from there, every time I go to the airport,
00:27:00Kikan, Kikan Coklat, Kikan Coklat.
00:27:02I can stop and tell people,
00:27:05Sorry, I'm not Kikan Coklat, I'm Kikan Namara.
00:27:07Because I don't want to be associated anymore.
00:27:11And that's what I did in the first few years.
00:27:16Until I thought I was tired of it.
00:27:18In the end, I was tired of it, I was tired of it,
00:27:20and I thought that finally,
00:27:22a little awareness came,
00:27:24I started to mature, I just thought.
00:27:27What are you doing?
00:27:29People know that I used to be called Coklat.
00:27:33Why do I keep fighting?
00:27:35But even when I had that awareness,
00:27:37I still didn't want to communicate with them.
00:27:40Ego?
00:27:41Ego, and I tried not to.
00:27:43Is it guilt?
00:27:44I'm a therapist, is it guilt?
00:27:46It can be.
00:27:48It can be, it's actually guilt.
00:27:50Because there will always be moments where,
00:27:57for example,
00:28:00my manager is very attentive to Coklat.
00:28:05Of which I have always said,
00:28:07I don't want to know anything about them.
00:28:10But Uzir will always try to inform me,
00:28:13do you know, they just released a single,
00:28:16they just released a single.
00:28:18I'm so stupid.
00:28:20I don't care.
00:28:21But actually,
00:28:23maybe why I responded with,
00:28:25I don't care.
00:28:27Because actually I do care.
00:28:29And actually,
00:28:31so there is a feeling,
00:28:33oh, they still can go on without me.
00:28:36It's still like that.
00:28:38You just said it now.
00:28:40Yes.
00:28:41See, we're fighting now.
00:28:43Of course.
00:28:44Of course.
00:28:45You're starting to love each other again.
00:28:47That's a good thing.
00:28:48Not yet.
00:28:49Not yet.
00:28:50Not yet.
00:28:51It's too soon.
00:28:52And it's true what Dina said,
00:28:54I think the biggest part of how I react,
00:28:58or how I respond,
00:28:59is guilt.
00:29:00That guilt.
00:29:01Because it can't be erased.
00:29:03That feeling,
00:29:04I know I'm destroying our dreams together.
00:29:07I know that I can't stick.
00:29:11I'm the one who,
00:29:13what is it,
00:29:14who makes it destroyed.
00:29:16While back then,
00:29:17when we were young,
00:29:18at the beginning of Chocolate,
00:29:20Karma Booming,
00:29:21guys, basically,
00:29:22we're together.
00:29:23So naughty.
00:29:24Together forever.
00:29:25Together forever.
00:29:27Exactly.
00:29:28So, that's it.
00:29:29The guilt can't be erased.
00:29:32And it will always pop up.
00:29:36Yes.
00:29:37Like when you see your ex on Instagram.
00:29:40It hurts.
00:29:41True.
00:29:42True.
00:29:43It hurts.
00:29:44You have a new friend.
00:29:45Why?
00:29:46Why?
00:29:49So you're still stalking your ex.
00:29:51Oh no.
00:29:52I'm stuck here.
00:29:54Can't move on.
00:29:56But, okay.
00:29:57Love is not about me.
00:29:58Okay.
00:29:59Honestly,
00:30:00in Kikan's time,
00:30:01not with Chocolate,
00:30:02but still choosing female vocalists.
00:30:04Not trying male vocalists.
00:30:07I have.
00:30:08I have.
00:30:09I have tried.
00:30:10Until there was an event.
00:30:12There was a special program.
00:30:14We're looking for a duet vocalist.
00:30:16There were a few.
00:30:17The one who won was a guy.
00:30:18But,
00:30:19it's true.
00:30:20The soul of the lyrics of Chocolate
00:30:24is about girl power.
00:30:26Yes.
00:30:27So, that's it.
00:30:29From that point of view,
00:30:31a male vocalist
00:30:33doesn't get it.
00:30:35He doesn't get it.
00:30:36Because usually,
00:30:37males are not well-educated.
00:30:38Yes.
00:30:39It's true.
00:30:40Usually.
00:30:41It's true.
00:30:42Not all of them.
00:30:43Usually.
00:30:44Yes, Bin.
00:30:45You have to cover it.
00:30:46Are you not well-educated?
00:30:48You have to cover it
00:30:49until Indonesia is broadcast.
00:30:51Are you not well-educated?
00:30:55But, it's true.
00:30:56Because most of the songs written
00:30:58are written by Kikan.
00:30:59Girl power.
00:31:00Yes.
00:31:01The interpretation is from Kikan.
00:31:03Yes.
00:31:04Kikan wrote the lyrics
00:31:05for the first album.
00:31:07So, it's girl power.
00:31:09Has Kikan ever felt that
00:31:10he has covered his vocalist
00:31:12four or five times?
00:31:13Four.
00:31:14Has he ever felt
00:31:15it's not fun.
00:31:16I'm more fun.
00:31:17I'm more fun with you.
00:31:19I've never felt that.
00:31:20I'm sorry.
00:31:21Excuse me.
00:31:22It's okay.
00:31:23But, it's exciting.
00:31:24It's exciting.
00:31:26Very good question.
00:31:27I want to tell you one thing.
00:31:28So, after I was not in Coklat
00:31:30in 2010,
00:31:33a year later,
00:31:34in 2011,
00:31:36I came to one festival.
00:31:38One of the biggest music festivals
00:31:40in Jakarta.
00:31:41Rock music festival.
00:31:42Rock music festival.
00:31:44And, I knew Coklat
00:31:45will perform there.
00:31:46So, I came.
00:31:47Packed.
00:31:48Packed.
00:31:49Full.
00:31:50Wait.
00:31:51It's not there yet.
00:31:52Be patient.
00:31:53Be patient.
00:31:54Be patient.
00:31:56So, you opened your heart
00:31:58and came back to that year.
00:32:00Right.
00:32:01Right.
00:32:02We are flashback
00:32:04with bad memories.
00:32:07So,
00:32:08I came to that festival
00:32:09with Uzir,
00:32:11my manager's husband.
00:32:13Then,
00:32:14we watched this band.
00:32:17Then,
00:32:18Uzir said,
00:32:19do you know Coklat plays?
00:32:21Yes, I know.
00:32:22Do you want to watch?
00:32:23No.
00:32:24Okay.
00:32:25No.
00:32:26But, I changed my mind.
00:32:27I thought,
00:32:29okay.
00:32:30There's also a feeling,
00:32:32I want to see
00:32:33their performance.
00:32:35Is it still good?
00:32:37Is it okay?
00:32:38There's a feeling like that.
00:32:39Go to this dome, Coklat.
00:32:41Perform in a big dome.
00:32:43And yes, packed.
00:32:45Yes.
00:32:46It was packed.
00:32:47Okay.
00:32:48It's hard for everyone to breathe.
00:32:50Wow.
00:32:51It's really hard for Coklat.
00:32:52Really.
00:32:53Everyone came.
00:32:56I can't do it.
00:32:58Okay.
00:32:59So,
00:33:01honestly,
00:33:02when I was waiting,
00:33:03they hadn't performed yet.
00:33:04I mean, I was still waiting
00:33:05with other people.
00:33:07And,
00:33:08to be really honest,
00:33:09I tried to hide from
00:33:11anyone so that
00:33:12no one would know
00:33:13that I was there.
00:33:15Then,
00:33:16I just waited.
00:33:18Is it good?
00:33:19Is it gonna be good?
00:33:20Until,
00:33:21Coklat started.
00:33:22The first song,
00:33:23I was still quiet.
00:33:24The second song,
00:33:25I started to get angry.
00:33:28Okay.
00:33:29In the third song,
00:33:30I was so angry that I cried.
00:33:32And actually,
00:33:33the first feeling
00:33:34that came to me was,
00:33:38that is not
00:33:39the way you sing that song.
00:33:42You know?
00:33:43It's my song.
00:33:44And you don't sing it the right way.
00:33:47You don't sing it the right way.
00:33:49At first, it was like that.
00:33:50Then,
00:33:51eventually,
00:33:52that feeling became,
00:33:54what the hell am I doing here?
00:33:56Like,
00:33:57these were my friends
00:34:00who were so close to me.
00:34:04And now,
00:34:05I watch them there
00:34:07with mixed feelings.
00:34:11The guilt is still there.
00:34:13The hate is getting bigger.
00:34:15And the biggest feeling was,
00:34:20this is just not right.
00:34:22It shouldn't be like this.
00:34:24That's how I felt.
00:34:25And I told Uzir,
00:34:27I want to go home.
00:34:28I said,
00:34:29let's go.
00:34:30Then,
00:34:31he looked at me,
00:34:32and he said,
00:34:33why are you crying?
00:34:34No, no.
00:34:35Meanwhile,
00:34:36I was facing
00:34:37various layers of emotions.
00:34:40Kakikan,
00:34:41take a picture.
00:34:42Take a picture.
00:34:43The guitar started to play.
00:34:45So,
00:34:46I took a picture with this person,
00:34:48with tears in my eyes.
00:34:50And from then on,
00:34:51I promised myself,
00:34:53until I die,
00:34:54until I die,
00:34:55I will never watch them live again.
00:34:58I don't want to see their performance again.
00:35:00And I don't want to know anything
00:35:02about Coklat anymore.
00:35:03It was 2011.
00:35:052011.
00:35:06Okay.
00:35:07It was really upsetting.
00:35:09Yes.
00:35:10X.
00:35:11Yes.
00:35:12Go and see what X is doing.
00:35:14Yes.
00:35:15Follow him on Instagram.
00:35:16What is he doing?
00:35:17Do you think,
00:35:18your husband,
00:35:19your manager,
00:35:20is the person
00:35:21who is important
00:35:22to bring Coklat together?
00:35:24After 12 years?
00:35:26Yes.
00:35:27That's right.
00:35:28What's interesting is,
00:35:31Kikan,
00:35:32when he was close to Uzir,
00:35:35we knew.
00:35:36So,
00:35:37what happened
00:35:38after 12 years?
00:35:40So,
00:35:41what Kikan did,
00:35:43we knew.
00:35:44What we did,
00:35:45Kikan knew.
00:35:47Even though we were far away.
00:35:49And,
00:35:50to add a little bit,
00:35:51so,
00:35:52Kikan's husband,
00:35:53slash manager,
00:35:54is our best friend.
00:35:56Yes.
00:35:58So,
00:35:59whenever Coklat came to Kuala Lumpur,
00:36:02the first thing I did was,
00:36:04text him,
00:36:05where are you?
00:36:06Yes.
00:36:07Yes.
00:36:08Yes.
00:36:09At that time,
00:36:10Uzir was not close to Kikan.
00:36:12Yes.
00:36:13They didn't talk,
00:36:15didn't talk,
00:36:16didn't,
00:36:17didn't,
00:36:18be friends.
00:36:20Really,
00:36:21he,
00:36:22Uzir is my friend and Ernest.
00:36:24How did you know?
00:36:25At that time,
00:36:26at MTV Singapore,
00:36:27what?
00:36:28Asia Awards.
00:36:29MTV Asia Awards in Singapore.
00:36:302002.
00:36:312002.
00:36:32Well,
00:36:332003.
00:36:34Well,
00:36:35suddenly,
00:36:36Uzir,
00:36:37close to Kikan,
00:36:38there was a feeling,
00:36:39huh?
00:36:40You're my friend,
00:36:42and you're close to Kikan.
00:36:44If I'm calm.
00:36:47I mean,
00:36:48there are many things that,
00:36:50whatever,
00:36:52that happened to Kikan,
00:36:54even though I tried not to know,
00:36:57just arrived,
00:36:58and that made me angry.
00:37:00Made you angry.
00:37:01Yes, made me angry.
00:37:02Yes.
00:37:0412 years.
00:37:05Yes.
00:37:06In those 12 years,
00:37:07the first 6 years,
00:37:09we really,
00:37:10had no communication.
00:37:12The next 6 years,
00:37:14had started.
00:37:15But that was also,
00:37:16just,
00:37:17basic language.
00:37:18Just a courtesy.
00:37:19Like,
00:37:20what?
00:37:21Happy Eid.
00:37:23Eid Mubarak.
00:37:24Okay.
00:37:25Eid Mubarak.
00:37:26Eid Mubarak,
00:37:27I just don't know.
00:37:28Eid Mubarak,
00:37:29I just don't know.
00:37:30Eid Mubarak,
00:37:31Eid Mubarak,
00:37:32Eid Mubarak,
00:37:33Eid Mubarak,
00:37:34Eid Mubarak,
00:37:35Eid Mubarak,
00:37:36Yes, yes, yes.
00:37:37In those 12 years,
00:37:38that way until finally,
00:37:42maybe we're getting older.
00:37:44Which,
00:37:46people are getting to know,
00:37:48that chocolate is without kikan,
00:37:50people are getting to know,
00:37:51that kikan is solo,
00:37:53so if there's provocation,
00:37:55or anything else,
00:37:57we've swallowed it,
00:38:00and it's like,
00:38:01feelings of hate have,
00:38:03have passed.
00:38:04Passed.
00:38:05It was over, and at that time, after the pandemic,
00:38:11there were a lot of musicians in Indonesia who passed away.
00:38:18Our family passed away, and after that,
00:38:23I felt like I really missed Ervin and Kikan.
00:38:31The 12 years of hate, the love and hate are thin.
00:38:37I understand.
00:38:39In the end, I understand.
00:38:42I've felt it.
00:38:44My wife saw it.
00:38:51I really miss Kikan and Ervin.
00:38:57I miss the OG Chocolate Formation.
00:39:03In the end, I dared to talk to Uzir.
00:39:10My friendship with Uzir also suddenly appeared.
00:39:18I talked to Uzir by telephone.
00:39:28I will regret not talking about this in the rest of my life.
00:39:34I really miss Ervin and Kikan.
00:39:39Maybe not.
00:39:41I want to invite them to go back to Chocolate.
00:39:47I'm relieved to be able to talk like this.
00:39:51Whatever Kikan wants to answer,
00:39:56whether he wants to or not, it's up to him.
00:40:00The important thing is,
00:40:02I really intend to talk about this because I miss Ervin and Kikan.
00:40:09I really talk like that, and I fully surrender to Uzir and Kikan.
00:40:15In the end, Uzir talked to Kikan,
00:40:18which every time I communicate with Uzir, Kikan never knows.
00:40:23I don't know why,
00:40:26but I feel like it's impossible and I don't dare to talk to Kikan.
00:40:33Uzir is the closest person to me.
00:40:37He knows how sensitive Chocolate is to me.
00:40:42He's also very careful,
00:40:44including when he started communicating with Edwin.
00:40:47In the end, he found out about me.
00:40:51I was angry.
00:40:58I was angry as if Uzir found out about me from a woman.
00:41:05It was like an affair.
00:41:07When we were talking, he was talking to Edwin.
00:41:12I immediately said,
00:41:14So, all this time, you've been communicating with Edwin.
00:41:19You're so smart.
00:41:21I've been communicating with Chocolate.
00:41:24Uzir was still trying to whitelist.
00:41:28He lied a little bit.
00:41:30He said, no, no, no, this is about the guitar.
00:41:33This is about the equipment.
00:41:35Right, right.
00:41:37Okay, like that.
00:41:39But after I was angry,
00:41:41Uzir said, listen to me first.
00:41:44Let's talk about this.
00:41:46I said, no.
00:41:48Straight forward, no.
00:41:50Yes, no.
00:41:51Wait a minute.
00:41:52No.
00:41:53Day one.
00:41:54Day two.
00:41:55Try again.
00:41:56He's still brave.
00:41:58If my wife said that.
00:42:01No.
00:42:02Okay.
00:42:03Okay, peace.
00:42:05Okay, honey.
00:42:07You're a man outside.
00:42:10You're a man at home.
00:42:12You can't do that at home.
00:42:14Okay, day two, still no.
00:42:16Still no.
00:42:17Day three, day four.
00:42:19Until finally, Uzir said, okay, okay.
00:42:22Maybe it's better if you talk directly to Edwin.
00:42:28Actually, I was overwhelmed at that time.
00:42:31What is it? What else do you want to talk about?
00:42:33We're all finished.
00:42:36But finally, I agreed.
00:42:38I said, okay.
00:42:39And Edwin said a sentence that changed everything.
00:42:48I asked Edwin, can you give me one good reason why I have to reunite?
00:42:57And Edwin's answer was, as long as the five of us are still there.
00:43:04Because during the COVID pandemic, we lost a lot of friends.
00:43:08A lot of musicians went home.
00:43:11And if not now, I'm afraid we won't have another chance.
00:43:16To be together again.
00:43:19Reunion.
00:43:20And this is still a blessing in disguise.
00:43:22As long as there is still a blessing in disguise.
00:43:24And that sentence made me quiet.
00:43:30In my heart, I never thought about it.
00:43:36I've never seen it that way.
00:43:38And it changed a lot of things.
00:43:41It softened my heart.
00:43:42It really softened my heart.
00:43:44Although in the end, I know I have a very big homework.
00:43:52Where I have to persuade Ervin.
00:43:56To say yes.
00:43:58Although...
00:44:01Why did you have to say yes?
00:44:03Because Ervin was on my team.
00:44:05And in my case, we kicked Ervin out.
00:44:10It's different.
00:44:11If I was kicked out, I would resign.
00:44:12If I was kicked out, I would resign.
00:44:13If I was kicked out, I would resign.
00:44:14He was kicked out.
00:44:15He was kicked out.
00:44:16Yes, because Ervin was kicked out.
00:44:18So he was kicked out.
00:44:19So he was kicked out.
00:44:20Yes, he was kicked out.
00:44:21I'll ask for his payment next time.
00:44:23I hope he'll come back.
00:44:25So, the deal was...
00:44:27At that time, the deal was...
00:44:30I told Uzir.
00:44:32I don't promise to reunite.
00:44:34I don't promise to reunite.
00:44:38Maybe what we have to do is jamming first.
00:44:41Because we don't know.
00:44:4212 years is a temporary time.
00:44:45I don't know if the chemistry is still there.
00:44:48If the sparks are still there.
00:44:49I don't know.
00:44:50So, we agreed to jamming.
00:44:54We agreed to jamming after I managed to...
00:44:57...soften the drummer's heart.
00:45:01Because if I'm stubborn, he's stubborn.
00:45:05He's stubborn.
00:45:06He's stubborn.
00:45:07He's very stubborn.
00:45:10So, this is a story that...
00:45:15For me, this is a life-changing experience.
00:45:21And when I talked to Irvin, it was the same.
00:45:24Irvin said, no.
00:45:26Wow.
00:45:27Now I understand why my husband...
00:45:29Now I understand why my husband wants to talk to her.
00:45:31Now I understand.
00:45:33Irvin, how long have you been together?
00:45:354 days.
00:45:38He talked to me for almost 2 weeks.
00:45:422 weeks?
00:45:43Every day.
00:45:44It's been a long time.
00:45:45And the reasons were all made up.
00:45:49Sinetron.
00:45:50Sinetron.
00:45:51Yes.
00:45:52So, it's like this.
00:45:54Hold on.
00:45:55No, it's not made up.
00:45:57No, it's not like this.
00:45:59He's trying to find good words...
00:46:02...so he can convince me.
00:46:04Well, it's different every day.
00:46:07For example, like this.
00:46:09Today, I'll give you some candy.
00:46:12Tomorrow, I'll give you some bread.
00:46:15It's different every day.
00:46:17Different language, different...
00:46:21And...
00:46:22No.
00:46:23Not convinced.
00:46:25Not like that.
00:46:27But in the end, there's a time where he has to reveal...
00:46:32...that there's another tagline.
00:46:35That's it.
00:46:37What's the tagline? Don't pretend to forget.
00:46:40A sentence that changes the way you think.
00:46:43Is there a similar sentence?
00:46:45Yes.
00:46:46Sentimental.
00:46:48At that time, it was...
00:46:54Yes.
00:46:55It means between life and death.
00:46:59That's it.
00:47:00So, it's...
00:47:01That's not what I meant.
00:47:04He doesn't want to say it.
00:47:06He doesn't want to say it.
00:47:09He's sad.
00:47:10The point is...
00:47:16The point is...
00:47:18That's it.
00:47:19If it's gone, we can't go back.
00:47:23And I have to prove that I didn't...
00:47:28That's not it either.
00:47:30That's the second day.
00:47:33How do you say it?
00:47:35Which one?
00:47:37After he said that...
00:47:39At first, he said that it's between life and death.
00:47:43I said, yes.
00:47:44So, now it's between life and death.
00:47:47I said that.
00:47:49Between life and death.
00:47:51At that time.
00:47:54But before Ervin answered...
00:47:57It's not easy for us.
00:47:59It's not easy for us.
00:48:01Now, we can laugh.
00:48:03We can tease each other.
00:48:05But to be honest...
00:48:0712 years ago, if Ervin...
00:48:09Kikan and Ervin are hard.
00:48:11Even when I talked to Kikan...
00:48:13When I talked to Uzir...
00:48:15I haven't talked to Ervin and Roni.
00:48:18It's really like...
00:48:22It's not like that.
00:48:24Like suspicious.
00:48:25Yes.
00:48:26Especially for Ervin...
00:48:29I'm also sad.
00:48:30I also feel guilty.
00:48:32Because...
00:48:33At the end, Ervin and I...
00:48:36We released him.
00:48:37Then Kikan came out.
00:48:38Coklat Jalan Sendiri.
00:48:40All of that changed our lives.
00:48:42It changed Ervin's life.
00:48:45And...
00:48:46Ervin became a widow.
00:48:48Sorry, Vin.
00:48:51I mean, his life...
00:48:54His marriage life.
00:48:56His life.
00:48:57Then...
00:48:58Each of us also experienced...
00:49:00A really hard life.
00:49:03So...
00:49:04When finally Kikan...
00:49:06Uzir...
00:49:08We asked for time...
00:49:10To explain to Ervin.
00:49:14I said, go ahead, Kikan.
00:49:16The point is...
00:49:17My hope is big...
00:49:19For us to be able to get back together.
00:49:22Yes.
00:49:23So...
00:49:24At the end, Kikan said...
00:49:26Vin.
00:49:27We both...
00:49:29Went out of the house.
00:49:34Now it's time for us to go back to that house.
00:49:39Thank you.
00:49:44Because every time we're asked these kind of questions...
00:49:47Our heads go back to those moments.
00:49:51Maybe Ervin remembers.
00:49:53I mean...
00:49:55Thank God, we can laugh now.
00:49:58At that time, Ervin was still working as a drummer.
00:50:01Kikan's drummer.
00:50:03Oh, Kikan's drummer.
00:50:05So, we're a club.
00:50:06We're Kikan's team.
00:50:08The other three are Coklat's team.
00:50:11And...
00:50:12Before we said...
00:50:15Yes, we're on our way.
00:50:17Kikan gave us a condition.
00:50:21Okay.
00:50:23I don't want to start this with business.
00:50:27With news.
00:50:28Meeting.
00:50:29Or whatever.
00:50:30Or gigs.
00:50:31I want us to jam first.
00:50:33Back to studio.
00:50:35Whether it's vibe.
00:50:38Whether it's chemistry.
00:50:39Whether our music...
00:50:42Whether we can still be together.
00:50:45And it was chosen on June 14th.
00:50:482022.
00:50:50And Uzir looked for a really private studio.
00:50:54For real people.
00:50:56Because it's literally at the end of the world.
00:50:59And we really didn't talk about it.
00:51:03Because we have to protect this from people.
00:51:05Because it hasn't been reunited yet.
00:51:08Because...
00:51:09Before that, I've talked to Ernest and Ronnie.
00:51:13And thank God, they're at the point...
00:51:18Yes.
00:51:19We have to protect it.
00:51:21They're at that point.
00:51:23And...
00:51:24Finally, thank God, it happened.
00:51:27On June 14th, we met in a studio.
00:51:31We've never met before.
00:51:35Awkward.
00:51:36Awkward.
00:51:37Awkward, yes.
00:51:38Especially there...
00:51:40We have to band together.
00:51:42Each of us is different.
00:51:47We banded on June 14th.
00:51:49At first, it was still like...
00:51:52Adjusting again.
00:51:55Until there was a final session with Uzir.
00:51:57He said, calm down.
00:51:58Eat first.
00:51:59Talk.
00:52:00Laugh.
00:52:01We started to unite.
00:52:03Laugh together.
00:52:04Everything.
00:52:05Your stories.
00:52:07That's the easiest.
00:52:08Because of awkward stories, we got together.
00:52:10We got together.
00:52:11We got together because of awkwardness.
00:52:13This fight can be healed because of awkwardness.
00:52:16Because of awkwardness.
00:52:18Awkward.
00:52:19Because of awkwardness, we got together.
00:52:22Back to studio.
00:52:23Play again.
00:52:24Ice-breaking.
00:52:25That's it.
00:52:26That's it.
00:52:27Awkwardness.
00:52:28Like...
00:52:29Which one?
00:52:31He's funny.
00:52:32He's funny.
00:52:35After we got together again, it was like we were inseparable.
00:52:39Oh, wow.
00:52:40Performing.
00:52:41Performing again.
00:52:42What do I mean?
00:52:43That's it.
00:52:44And from there, the confidence started to grow.
00:52:48It's on.
00:52:49It's on until June.
00:52:52Until we finally published it on August 17th, 2022.
00:52:58So, in the blink of an eye, it was really taken care of.
00:53:01We started jamming in June.
00:53:03Until we officially announced that we had a reunion.
00:53:07So, from June, it was two months.
00:53:09Until August.
00:53:10For two months, we really kept our mouths shut.
00:53:13Because we understood that the most important part of this reunion was the surprise part.
00:53:23So, everyone was really shocked.
00:53:27Maybe Ernest can tell us.
00:53:29For example, what we did for the reunion was social media.
00:53:35Instagram.
00:53:36Before that, it was blocked.
00:53:38Ernest, you tell us.
00:53:40So, for about 15 days, we only posted black photos.
00:53:48Only black.
00:53:50People asked.
00:53:51Why?
00:53:52Who died?
00:53:53No.
00:53:54Yeah, black.
00:53:55Usually, it's like a cure.
00:53:57Like, what campaign is this?
00:53:59Or is there a new song?
00:54:01On the other hand, we had to resign our vocalist and drummer at that time.
00:54:08So, it became a drama on its own.
00:54:13Everyone asked.
00:54:14Why?
00:54:15At that time, we were with the vocalist and drummer.
00:54:17Maybe we don't want to mention it because we still appreciate them.
00:54:20We asked.
00:54:21Why did he delete this from his bio?
00:54:24There's no Chocolate Band anymore.
00:54:26They didn't answer at all.
00:54:27So, we only posted black photos for 15 days.
00:54:30Until finally, on August 15th, we only posted a video.
00:54:35At that time, it was only our equipment.
00:54:39Gear.
00:54:40Our equipment.
00:54:41Like a stage.
00:54:43Then, it stopped.
00:54:45On the 16th, it was Edwin, Rony, and me.
00:54:50At the end, it was one by one.
00:54:54Everyone took their equipment.
00:54:57It stopped at Rony.
00:54:59It stopped at Ernest.
00:55:00It stopped at Ernest.
00:55:01It stopped at me.
00:55:03On the 16th, one of our old diehard fans asked,
00:55:08Why is Erwin's drum there?
00:55:11He knew.
00:55:12He recognized the set.
00:55:13So, even though Erwin's drum has been replaced with a new one,
00:55:17the set is unique.
00:55:18Only Erwin has that set.
00:55:20He's a diehard fan.
00:55:21Yes.
00:55:22Why is Erwin's drum there?
00:55:24Everyone was confused.
00:55:27Finally, on August 17th, we announced it at 10 AM.
00:55:33For Indonesians, August 17th is Independence Day.
00:55:37Independence Day.
00:55:38We are a national band.
00:55:40Because we have a song called Mendera.
00:55:42Suddenly...
00:55:43The video was replayed.
00:55:45The video from the beginning to the end.
00:55:48We started to play three songs, but there was no drum yet.
00:55:51Suddenly, there was a bald drummer.
00:55:54With gloves.
00:55:55Wow, pink and brown.
00:55:56Finally, Kikan came in and shaved his hair.
00:55:59From behind.
00:56:00From behind.
00:56:02Then, Kikan turned to the camera.
00:56:04Cut.
00:56:05The video was replayed.
00:56:06The video was replayed.
00:56:07Then, the hashtag was brown again.
00:56:09That's the story.
00:56:10One day, our phones were all hanging.
00:56:13Because everyone was asking.
00:56:15Because everyone was typing.
00:56:16Is this a prank?
00:56:17Is this a prank?
00:56:18Even WhatsApp was overloaded.
00:56:20So, we couldn't open our phones.
00:56:22Everyone was asking, right?
00:56:24Yes.
00:56:25Is this true?
00:56:27That day, I was in charge of social media.
00:56:30I asked for permission from the kids.
00:56:33Today, Daddy wants to go on vacation.
00:56:34So, if you want to do anything, please.
00:56:36That day, from morning to night, I was really...
00:56:40Busy.
00:56:41Yes, replying.
00:56:42Thank you to all the musicians...
00:56:46...and all the important people in Indonesia...
00:56:48...who helped me repost.
00:56:50They were happy because Kikan came back.
00:56:53And Ervin came back.
00:56:54It was one of the best moments in my life.
00:57:00So, we were really proud.
00:57:02We believed in ourselves.
00:57:03We came back.
00:57:04And...
00:57:05Yes.
00:57:06Yes.
00:57:07It was fun.
00:57:08But the way to have a reunion was wise.
00:57:12Was that your own idea?
00:57:13Or was it from the media team?
00:57:16The team.
00:57:17Kikan's husband.
00:57:18Where is he?
00:57:19He got a job.
00:57:20Yes, he got a job.
00:57:21So, it was a drama, right?
00:57:22Yes.
00:57:24It was Uzi.
00:57:25Uzi.
00:57:26Uzi.
00:57:28At that time, the video was being launched.
00:57:31Everyone was in their own house.
00:57:33At that time, Kikan was going to perform with Ervin.
00:57:35He wasn't famous yet.
00:57:37Yes.
00:57:38And...
00:57:39They were getting ready to perform.
00:57:41We had a WhatsApp group.
00:57:42Yes.
00:57:43Uzi took a video of Ervin.
00:57:46Ervin was crying.
00:57:48He was crying.
00:57:51He's sensitive.
00:57:52He's sensitive.
00:57:54He was really weak.
00:58:00But that was it.
00:58:02I mean...
00:58:05That was the concept that became our stage concept in a few years.
00:58:11So, The Break Up, 12 Years Apart, and The Comeback.
00:58:15The Comeback.
00:58:16That's right.
00:58:17And...
00:58:18That was the comeback moment.
00:58:20Alhamdulillah.
00:58:21It was accepted.
00:58:22It was accepted.
00:58:23And we...
00:58:24We believed it.
00:58:25And we finally had...
00:58:28We had a story that we could bring to the stage.
00:58:33About our documentary.
00:58:36The Break Up.
00:58:37Okay.
00:58:3812 Years Apart.
00:58:39Okay.
00:58:40The Comeback.
00:58:41And that became...
00:58:44So, we sometimes brought it to a big festival in Indonesia.
00:58:50And all the audience cried.
00:58:52They cried.
00:58:53Yes.
00:58:54Tens of thousands of people cried.
00:58:55Because...
00:58:56It's a real story.
00:58:57It's a real story.
00:58:58And there was a day where...
00:58:59Before we performed...
00:59:01Uzi also made a collaboration for us to sit together.
00:59:07Alone.
00:59:08Alone.
00:59:09First, we had our own interview.
00:59:10So, what made you mad at us?
00:59:12What made you mad at Edwin?
00:59:14So, all of us...
00:59:15And lastly, we were gathered as one.
00:59:17We recorded...
00:59:18Each of us.
00:59:19Each of us.
00:59:20What happened first?
00:59:22We cried so much.
00:59:24It was so real.
00:59:26And I still want to cry when I tell this story.
00:59:29I tried to be strong to...
00:59:34So, everything came out.
00:59:36Everything.
00:59:37I'm sorry for me.
00:59:38I'm sorry.
00:59:39I'm sorry for the cake.
00:59:40Everything.
00:59:41It happened.
00:59:42And maybe that's the most important day that made our bonding stronger.
00:59:48You could say that day.
00:59:49It matured.
00:59:51Maybe if I can add this.
00:59:53During 12 years of our separation...
00:59:55Each of us kept grudges.
00:59:59Kept...
01:00:00The feeling of grudges.
01:00:01Like the trash.
01:00:03Actually, it's the trash of emotions.
01:00:05So one of the keys that became important in the journey of Bermusik yang Coklat is when we decided to do this reunion,
01:00:15Uzir said, there can no longer be anything to hold on to, there can no longer be things that you're actually still angry about,
01:00:24but everything has to be let go, everything has to be brave enough to say to the person,
01:00:31do you remember when you married me, I was heartbroken, or something like that.
01:00:36So at the moment of the video that we received, everything opened up and maybe on that day too,
01:00:45everything was relieved, like there was a big burden lifted, and it became one of the most important sessions in the process of doing this reunion,
01:00:58because for us, we don't want to repeat the same mistakes like 12 years ago, where the ego is still growing,
01:01:13and solving all the problems without a cold head, so hopefully after 12 years of not being together,
01:01:23we have become more mature, more mature, so it should be like this,
01:01:29because there must be a problem with banning, no matter how old you are, there must be a problem,
01:01:35but we have agreed, we agree that there is no longer a problem that is silenced, that is silenced,
01:01:44hopefully we can continue to be together after that, amen.
01:01:49And what's interesting too, the gigs at that time was our first performance,
01:01:55when we had a reunion, there were so many things that felt different, they were so different,
01:02:02suddenly I was on stage, I was playing the guitar on stage, looking to the left, wow, Kikan,
01:02:08Ervin's voice, Kikan's voice, and then Kikan also sang, he also often told me that when he turned to the back, he was also amazed.
01:02:16It was so surreal, I was on stage with lighting, and when I looked back on the big screen, there was a chocolate logo,
01:02:24I was like, huh? Is this true? You know, it still feels like a dream, even until today,
01:02:32sometimes in the middle of singing a song, sometimes I look at Edwin, it's weird, it's still weird,
01:02:39because I used to hate him so much, with everything too, and I didn't want to be called Kikan Coklat,
01:02:45and now I have to accept it again, because I was called Kikan Coklat again,
01:02:50sometimes there's still, huh? Kikan Coklat? Oh yeah, it's back again, I remember, oh yes, it's back again,
01:02:56it's been a long time, it's not the same,
01:02:58but this experience really strengthens us, not all people in the world of entertainment
01:03:06may experience the experience as we feel, which after that moment is like before,
01:03:16in this world of entertainment, it will never be easy, it will continue to move forward,
01:03:20but what makes me always optimistic is that we have five more to face in the future.
01:03:29But what happened?
01:03:29With the vocalist who also has a drama,
01:03:32I'm worried, people are talking about Indah-Indah, Falik, people are talking about Indah-Indah,
01:03:37and it's back again, what's the problem?
01:03:39I have to back up there too, I can't wait.
01:03:42Not to be denied, all the singers and all the dramas are quite inspired by Kikan and Ervin,
01:03:51they really know Coklat at that time, so when we finally decided to reunite,
01:04:01we decided to be together again, it seems like they are willing to give up the throne,
01:04:06but this is Coklat OG, so I can read if they finally understand and understand that.
01:04:21Actually, he wants to wish a happy anniversary for Coklat, because this is the 28th year,
01:04:30June, it looks like June is very synonymous, right?
01:04:34We used to be a Bocil band,
01:04:37What is Bocil?
01:04:39Cilek, small but young, so now it's 28 years, but still small.
01:04:44What is small?
01:04:47Still young.
01:04:49But it's interesting, because when we think about it, it started in 1996, in June,
01:04:57and we meet again in June too, and this is the 28th anniversary, wow.
01:05:03Congratulations.
01:05:05This is the 26th anniversary.
01:05:07Okay, but honestly, Dina herself once sang the song Coklat, Karma in a competition, Gegar Vaganza,
01:05:16was cut off after that.
01:05:18Hey, it's been a long time, it's not that song that I was cut off, it's not.
01:05:22But like Kikan here,
01:05:24It's only been 5 weeks, I was cut off on the 10th, you know.
01:05:26It's been a long time.
01:05:28But honestly, like Kikan here, I've seen it, how was it Kikan?
01:05:30Feel it, feel it.
01:05:32Eh, no need.
01:05:34I mean, did it reach you?
01:05:36Of course it did, it was powerful.
01:05:38Very, very powerful, and
01:05:40Why are you hitting me?
01:05:42I'm embarrassed.
01:05:44I'll hit you outside.
01:05:46I'm embarrassed.
01:05:48But honestly, it was okay, right?
01:05:50It was good, right?
01:05:52Yes, and I always
01:05:54really appreciate,
01:05:56really really appreciate
01:05:58you sang the song Coklat, you sang my song,
01:06:00I was very touched,
01:06:02very, what is it,
01:06:04not happy, touched,
01:06:06touched, that's the right word.
01:06:08I'm very touched if there are other people who want to bring it,
01:06:10especially in a big event.
01:06:12Yes, in a competition.
01:06:14And I know Gegar Vaganza,
01:06:16because I used to, what was it?
01:06:18Invited.
01:06:20Okay, anyway, I was really happy
01:06:22when I saw your video.
01:06:24It was really,
01:06:26I want to cry.
01:06:28I was touched.
01:06:30I understand what you mean.
01:06:32I was touched because
01:06:34there are also people who sing it,
01:06:36experiencing the same thing as me.
01:06:44That's a swear song.
01:06:46That's actually a swear song for people.
01:06:48When my life is long, I do it.
01:06:50That's actually
01:06:52a song with anger.
01:06:54But you sang it very well.
01:06:56Yes.
01:06:58Really well.
01:07:18Yes.
01:07:24You can go home to Coklat.
01:07:26You can go home to Coklat.
01:07:28You can go home to Coklat.
01:07:32I'm a copy.
01:07:36Okay.
01:07:38To all of you who watched,
01:07:40thank you very much.
01:07:42Thank you for having us.
01:07:44It was really fun.
01:07:46It was really fun.
01:07:48With all the sadness,
01:07:50there was also fun.
01:07:52There was also anger.
01:07:54There was also tears.
01:07:56There was also tears.
01:07:58Once again,
01:08:00we really hope to see you all
01:08:02at Zeb Kuala Lumpur
01:08:04on September 7, 2024.
01:08:06And also,
01:08:08Coklat has just finished
01:08:10recording
01:08:12two new singles
01:08:14in this afternoon format.
01:08:16So this will be the first two songs
01:08:18after we reunite.
01:08:20We pray that it will be easy
01:08:22and smooth for us to release
01:08:24in Malaysia.
01:08:26Amen. Thank you.
01:08:28Success to Coklat.
01:08:30Even though the concert will be
01:08:32in Malaysia or Indonesia.
01:08:34Don't fight anymore.
01:08:36Just contact us.
01:08:38I have a big problem
01:08:40with this week's episode.
01:08:42I'll tell you later.
01:08:44Don't fight. Just cheer.
01:08:46We'll see you again next week.
01:08:48Bye!