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00:00See, the political class in the world, they do politics, they do fights, on issues.
00:07Where there is talk of their own survival, they go together.
00:10There is also personal criticism, you can see how much personal criticism there is,
00:14but there is a limit to it. It is not that you don't care about others.
00:18Or the way it is happening here, the way there is discrimination, barbarism,
00:23there is contempt for women, there is contempt for families.
00:26Sanam Javed was arrested in the evening, she was arrested again and taken away.
00:31So, there is no decency in politics.
00:35There is so little space that it is surprising that there is a state of suffocation.
00:41So, the politicians had to make this space, right?
00:43Why would anyone else come and make it? Why would the court make it?
00:46Why would Muktadara make it? You had to make it for each other.
00:48No, Muktadara and the establishment and the court, it is their responsibility to make it.
00:53But they have always been politicians.
00:56It is not like that. You have to pick things from the menu.
00:59So, you have to take what is in your menu.
01:02It is not the role of the politicians. It is a tradition.
01:04Because it is easy to blame the politicians. You do it, everyone does it.
01:08But the fact is that there is an atmosphere in Pakistan since 1953.
01:11The responsibility of bringing changes in that atmosphere is now of the court and the establishment.
01:17Politicians are at number three. So, things have to change in this sequence.
01:22So, you are taking the responsibility of your situation to other institutions.
01:25If Muktadara and the court are in a mood, things will change.
01:29If not, then what should we do? This is the menu.
01:31No, social change has come in Pakistan. It will have to change.
01:34The problem is that from 1953 onwards, we were running as a rental economy.
01:40There were wars in our areas. We were a front security state.
01:44First, there was the Soviet Union.
01:47Then, the Korean War started. Then, the Vietnam War started.
01:50Then, the Afghan War started.
01:52We never had to make our own money.
01:56There was no need to earn.
01:57There was no need to earn.
01:58Now, the problem is that in the next three to five years,
02:03there will be two big wars, the Ukraine War and the Gaza War.
02:06This will be the focus of the world.
02:08There is no war in our area.
02:10On top of that, for the first time in the last ten years, we are realizing that we will have to create our own economy.
02:16We have lost our relevance in the Arab world.
02:19And on top of that, our own internal circumstances have added up.
02:25Now, look at how big a storm it is.
02:27It has been six to seven months since Shabaz Sharif became the Prime Minister for the second time.
02:32Not a single European Union country called him.
02:35He did not speak to the President of the United States of America.
02:38Because the world thinks that he has come from a rigged election.
02:43So, the democracies there, the democratic countries,
02:46are hesitating to accept Shabaz Sharif as the legitimate Prime Minister.
02:52And this is a very big dilemma.
02:54Pakistan as a country.
02:56And we are not understanding how to create our own relevance.
03:00The push that we used to get from the Arab world,
03:04we used to get money,
03:06that is also not coming.
03:07Because the priorities of the leadership there have also changed.
03:10They are thinking in terms of money, profit.
03:14Futuristic investment.
03:15If they go, they will invest money in Japan, somewhere else.
03:17They are investing money in India.
03:19And see, the real thing is that until you, Pakistan,
03:22do not create your own relevance in the world,
03:25it will be like this.
03:26If there is no relevance, then who will ask?
03:27There will be relevance when you first decide inside,
03:29that where are you?
03:30Are you a hybrid system?
03:32Are you a democratic system?
03:33What do you want to become?
03:34After 75 years, you declare that democracy is not democracy.
03:37This is the confusion in the system.
03:39We want to declare ourselves as North Korea,
03:41but it is not happening.
03:42It is the helplessness of the economy.
03:44And because of that, we have to become a normal democracy.
03:48We will have to go towards that.
03:49Political parties also have a role.
03:51Around 50% you can say, political parties have a role,
03:5450% other parties have a role.
03:56Only 50%, Mr. Prawat.
03:57You are making yourself very small.
03:59There are a lot of things in the hands of politicians.
04:01If you sit together.
04:02What all have you not done?
04:03In the history of the country,
04:04how have the politicians not faced the Amrits?
04:08Yes, that is also there.
04:09But the kind of change that you are talking about,
04:14it has a lot of value.
04:15That value should not be there for the country.
04:17It is better to have a grand political dialogue
04:20and things should settle down in it.
04:22We do not want turmoil.
04:27There should not be turmoil.
04:29And things should take each other a few steps back
04:34and things should go towards improvement.
04:36This will be the best.
04:37What is the best?
04:38The best is that the judiciary says,
04:40give us a mandate.
04:41This is the best case scenario for you people.
04:43So why will the government do that?
04:45You say, release Mr. Imran Khan.
04:47Why will the government do that?
04:48Then you demand from them to end the cases.
04:51Why will the government do that?
04:52So your best case scenario is not the best case scenario of the government.
04:56No, leave this best case scenario.
04:58Our best case scenario is that you abolish the constitution.
05:01When you abolish the constitution,
05:02all these things become the same.
05:04The problem is,
05:05if you say that the government does not want to abolish the constitution
05:08and does not accept the mandate of the people,
05:11then you tell me,
05:12then the country cannot be normal.
05:14Because they will do this,
05:15they will accept the mandate,
05:16you will come and put them in jails.
05:17Basically, leave the mandate.
05:18No, you will put them in jails.
05:19No, why will we put them in jails?
05:20They say on record,
05:21you will come and put them in jails,
05:23so we will put them in jails first.
05:24We will play jail-to-jail.
05:26No, I am saying that
05:27this thing can be discussed.
05:29This thing can be discussed.
05:30I had also said that
05:31we should reform this.
05:33For example,
05:34in America,
05:35the prosecutor general's office is independent.
05:38You bring him here
05:39as if you appoint a judge of the Supreme Court
05:41and he decides
05:42whether he wants to send the cases or not.
05:45There can be such things.
05:47There is no problem in that.
05:48But the real problem,
05:49this is not the problem that you are talking about.
05:51The problem is that
05:52we are not ready to accept
05:54that there is a status of the people of Pakistan in this country.
05:57The real problem is that
05:58the treatment of the people of Pakistan
06:01is as a second-grade citizen.
06:03And until that is not done,
06:05this war will continue
06:07between the people of Pakistan
06:09and the integrity of Pakistan.
06:11For example,
06:12I will tell you an incident
06:13as to how we treat our own citizens.
06:15It was published in Zaman Park
06:17and there were people there.
06:20Senator Rijal Chaudhary was also there.
06:22All these people were arrested.
06:24I am telling you this before 9th May.
06:26Now all those poor people
06:28are sitting on the floor of the police station
06:30for the race course.
06:32At 3 o'clock in the night,
06:34a policeman comes and says,
06:36who is Mr. Shahid among you?
06:39He said,
06:40he is from our JLM,
06:42Shahid has stood up.
06:43He said,
06:44come Mr. Shahid,
06:45are you a British citizen?
06:46He said,
06:47yes, I am a British citizen.
06:49At 3.30 in the night,
06:50Lahore police apologized to Shahid and released him.
06:53And our senator,
06:55Rijal Chaudhary,
06:56our MPA,
06:57those poor people were sitting on the floor.
06:59This is the condition of your own citizens
07:02in your own country.
07:04There is a vote.
07:05On 8th February,
07:06overwhelmingly,
07:07the vote is going to PTI.
07:09The next day,
07:10you changed all the votes
07:11and took Form 47.
07:12This is the status of your citizens.
07:14So, this is not a problem
07:16in any way in the country
07:18that you have to send them to jail
07:20or not.
07:21The real problem is
07:22that you are not ready to give respect
07:24to the citizens of Pakistan.
07:26This is fundamental to everything.