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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
00:22Welcome to the new program, I am Nazreen.
00:25Two days and two big successes have come in the hands of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:30After yesterday's case, in today's case too, Bani Tehreek-e-Insaf and his wife Bushra Bibi have got a clean chit.
00:40This clean chit was found in today's case.
00:42There were already a lot of questions on this case, whether there should be such interference in such personal matters of a woman or not.
00:52There is a press release of the Council of Islamic Ideology.
00:56It came on July 10, this year.
00:59In it, the matter of this date has been dealt with.
01:02In it, it has been said that the way these issues are being criticized on social media at the moment is extremely inappropriate and immoral.
01:10If there are issues related to a man and a woman's Nikah, Divorce and Eid, then it should be seen in the light of the opinions of scholars and medical experts.
01:20Or it can be seen.
01:22These are legal issues.
01:24Do not argue about them without any reason.
01:28This has been said by the Council of Islamic Ideology.
01:33Now, what is this Eid case? Let's take a look at it.
01:36This Eid case was basically filed on November 25, 2023 in front of the civil judge of Islamabad, Mr. Kudratullah.
01:45And it was filed during the Eid Nikah case.
01:49On December 11, 2023, it was declared inalienable.
01:54After that, on January 16, 2024, the individual was charged.
01:59Then on January 31, 2024, it was referred to the Islamabad High Court.
02:05But the Islamabad High Court said that the request has been revoked and the individual has been charged.
02:11Therefore, the High Court cannot intervene.
02:14Today, when Bushra Bibi was released, she has been arrested in another case.
02:19And NAB, you will remember, Mr. Rana Sanawala said that if there is no case, then the case will be made.
02:27Now the question is whether the case was made or there was a case.
02:31And in the coming days, will Mr. Ibrahim Khan be outside or will he remain inside?
02:35This is an important question that is in every tongue.
02:38I will introduce the guests who are with us.
02:41Mr. Ali Muhammad is with us. He is the senior executive of Pakistan Justice Movement.
02:44He is also a lawyer.
02:45Thank you very much, Mr. Ali, for joining us.
02:47Mr. Ali Muhammad, two days, two big cases.
02:50The government's reservations on the decisions of these cases will be presented to you later.
02:58But in your opinion, was Bushra Bibi, who has now been arrested again,
03:05should have been released after the cases?
03:10Please tell us in the context of Mr. Rana Sanawala's statement.
03:16Thank you very much.
03:17In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
03:18May God bless Muhammad and his family.
03:20I would like to congratulate the entire nation on the fact that not only have we won the case,
03:25but our society, our eastern society, where the sanctity of Chadar Chardiwari is not from today,
03:34but a long time before the formation of Pakistan,
03:37even for thousands of years, the sanctity of Chadar Chardiwari has been in this area.
03:42For the first time, it was tried to diminish it at the governmental level.
03:46There were some rules of war even in the Age of Ignorance.
03:49There is also a law of the jungle.
03:51In the fight, the women of the opponent were never targeted by the children, elders, fruits and trees.
03:58The sword that was raised was beheaded.
04:01But the one who raised the white flag with the sword was given security.
04:05For the first time, the women of the house have been subjected to political opposition.
04:10What mothers do to their children in veil, even brothers, husbands and sons do not know.
04:15These things have been done.
04:16Why have they been done?
04:17Because you hate Imran Khan.
04:19But Allah has proven that
04:24No doubt Allah is the owner of honor and humiliation.
04:27And today I am happy that Allah has constitutionally,
04:30God forbid, tried to pull a veil from the head of Bushra Bibi.
04:37As a rule, a rule has been put on her head again.
04:40And I think that the lawyers who have taken a stand in this,
04:43Those who have worked hard, our senior lawyers of the Justice Forum,
04:47I appreciate Salman Raja, Salman Sardar, his associates,
04:53I used to go to the matches with everyone every day, I used to see.
04:56I want to appreciate them.
04:58Their hard work has paid off.
05:00And respect has been given back.
05:02And no one can take respect.
05:04No one can take respect.
05:05Honor and humiliation, sustenance and livelihood, all this is in the hands of Allah.
05:08In the grip of nature, people do not understand it.
05:11But they don't understand religion.
05:13They don't understand morality.
05:15They don't understand the constitution of Pakistan.
05:17Article 14.1 says,
05:19Listen to this,
05:21The framers of the constitution were master craftsmen.
05:25Who said this,
05:26The dignity of a man,
05:28And when there is a man in the constitution, it means there is a woman too.
05:30The dignity of a man and subject to law,
05:33The privacy of home shall be inviolable.
05:36Here the question arises,
05:38On Mian Shahbaz Sharif, Mian Nawaz Sharif, Mariam Bibi,
05:41That in your government, the state television,
05:43The Pakistan television network,
05:45Was handed over to Maneka Sahib.
05:47Who gave the press talk,
05:49The details of those things,
05:51Which a person cannot do in shame in front of anyone.
05:53But Allah,
05:55Allah has blessed Imran Khan,
05:57And Bushra Bibi.
05:59So congratulations to everyone.
06:01Okay, Mr. Ali, the court also said,
06:03That the time had passed.
06:04What did you remember after two years,
06:06When it was proven to you,
06:08That you got married the next day.
06:10With regards to Khawar Maneka Sahib.
06:12Having said that,
06:14Here another question arises,
06:16You said that in any way,
06:18Women should not be a part of that politics,
06:21Which is a despicable politics.
06:23But unfortunately,
06:25This is a trend of Pakistan's politics.
06:27Whether a woman is a part of politics,
06:29Or a woman is not a part of politics.
06:32Her respect should be preserved in its place.
06:34You must remember,
06:36With regards to Benazir Bhutto Sahiba.
06:38Then this complaint is made by PMLN PTI,
06:40That Mariam Nawaz Sahiba,
06:42How much disrespect,
06:44Or disrespect was done by PTI,
06:46Or their social media,
06:48Or even in the words of Ali Ameen Gandapur,
06:50That will also not be right.
06:54Look,
06:56Our concept,
06:58Which is in Punjab,
07:00Which is in some other style,
07:02In Pashtun Khuwa,
07:04In Balochistan, Sindh, Kashmir, and Gilgit,
07:06The same concept is there.
07:08That mothers are sisters.
07:10What does this mean?
07:12This means that,
07:14You should speak for someone else's mother,
07:16Wife, or sister,
07:18What you want for yourself.
07:20If you can tolerate your mother and sister,
07:22In those words,
07:24That if someone does it,
07:26Then you should like it.
07:28This is an unwritten law,
07:30Of politics, of our society,
07:32Of our lives.
07:34Whoever abuses it, I am not with them.
07:36If someone has done it from our side,
07:38Then it is wrong,
07:40But I can say one thing,
07:42I can say my own thing,
07:44I can say Mr. Khan's,
07:46And some of my party's seniors,
07:48Who are not in the Jamaat anymore,
07:50But I think that,
07:52Even in that era,
07:54When there was a lot of opposition,
07:56I have never seen Mr. Shafqat Mehmood,
07:58Or Asad Umar Bhai,
08:00Or any other senior,
08:02I have never seen them,
08:04Talking about Maryam Bibi, or Kulsoom Bibi,
08:06It was a social media figure, it was wrong,
08:08But I can tell you one thing,
08:10I can't talk about anyone else,
08:12That Bani Gala,
08:14A very senior level meeting,
08:16Mr. Khan is chairing it,
08:18Some of us are sitting in it,
08:20Not more than 15 or 20,
08:22It was 2016 or something,
08:24When Kulsoom Bibi was sick,
08:26She had not died yet,
08:28May Allah forgive her,
08:30Mr. Imran Khan himself told us,
08:32I was present in that meeting,
08:34Look, she is sick,
08:36There should be no talk about her,
08:38So this was from the party leadership,
08:40But I agree that some abuse,
08:42In fact, it has happened more in many places,
08:44But it has also happened from the other side,
08:46I think that this culture of ours,
08:48This culture of ours,
08:50That in politics or opposition,
08:52You target the women of the opposition,
08:54This is wrong,
08:56This should not happen,
08:58This happened with Kulsoom Bibi,
09:00This happened with the women of the opposition,
09:02This should not be targeted,
09:04This has happened recently,
09:06This has happened with Zardar Bibi,
09:08Which is wrong,
09:10But this is one principle,
09:12On which everyone should come together,
09:14And the topic of the opposition is different,
09:16Then the topic of women journalists,
09:18It becomes a next level story,
09:20Aayin has been written,
09:22Aayin has been re-written,
09:24Aayin has not been interpreted,
09:26Especially yesterday,
09:28The SIC asked for relief,
09:30The PTI got relief,
09:32Now what is this,
09:34Would you like to answer this,
09:36Or did Khawaja Asif also say the same,
09:38Look,
09:40We also have complaints from the government,
09:42You are not the government,
09:44You do not have a mandate,
09:46You do not have a mandate,
09:48You do not have a mandate,
09:50You have robbed,
09:52You have snatched papers from the hands of women,
09:56You have been facilitated,
09:58In the past, there used to be a commotion,
10:00At midnight, at 1 o'clock,
10:02Someone put a vote shot,
10:04Someone filled bags,
10:06Such blatant has never happened,
10:08Kidnap people,
10:10Torture them,
10:12Torture them and get the parties released,
10:14The leader was shot and put in jail,
10:16Tell me one thing,
10:18I asked Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif,
10:20He was present on the floor of the National Assembly,
10:24That you should have,
10:26As Prime Minister,
10:28You were the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
10:30When Imran Khan was attacked,
10:32You should have said,
10:34That Imran Khan is my political opponent,
10:36I have nothing to do with his politics,
10:38But he is the former Prime Minister,
10:40The attack on him is an attack on me,
10:42And I will investigate it,
10:44This is the Toshakhana case,
10:46This is the Injit case,
10:48This is the Al-Qadir case,
10:50The Prime Minister of Pakistan,
10:52Was attacked in a country,
10:54Where you have already lost 3 Prime Ministers,
10:56Liaquat Ali Khan,
10:58Motto Sahib,
11:00Benazir Sahib,
11:02One Prime Minister was shot,
11:04Someone is a jury,
11:06The attack on Imran Khan,
11:08Who did it, why did it happen,
11:10Where was it planned,
11:12Imran Khan, you are a lawyer,
11:14You are a lawyer,
11:16That is why I am saying,
11:18You have come in a wrong way,
11:20You have done injustice,
11:22You have robbed the mandate,
11:24You do not like any decision of the Supreme Court,
11:26Then you go to the review,
11:28After going to the review,
11:30Are there any chances,
11:32That the government will get any relief,
11:34You know the bench will be the same,
11:368 judges,
11:38They decided in our favor,
11:40See,
11:42They have destroyed Pakistan,
11:44Let me say,
11:46It is a tough thing,
11:48In their politics,
11:50They have put a line,
11:52People have lost confidence,
11:54Because of them,
11:56See, the same Peshawar High Court,
11:58When we were getting relief,
12:00They were criticizing it,
12:02But when the Peshawar High Court,
12:04Decided against us,
12:06They liked the Peshawar High Court,
12:08They are the same people,
12:10Who attacked the Supreme Court,
12:12They are the same people,
12:14Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:16They are the same people,
12:18Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:20They are the same people,
12:22Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:24They are the same people,
12:26Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:28They are the same people,
12:30Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:32They are the same people,
12:34Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:36They are the same people,
12:38Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:40They are the same people,
12:42Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:44They are the same people,
12:46Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:48They are the same people,
12:50Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:52They are the same people,
12:54Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
12:56They are the same people,
12:58Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:00They are the same people,
13:02Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:04They are the same people,
13:06Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:08They are the same people,
13:10Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:12They are the same people,
13:14Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:16They are the same people,
13:18Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:20They are the same people,
13:22Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:24They are the same people,
13:26Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:28They are the same people,
13:30Who used to call Justice Qayyum,
13:32I am speaking to you as an MNA of Tariq Ansaaf,
13:34I am speaking to you as an MNA of Tariq Ansaaf,
13:36I am speaking to you as an MNA of Tariq Ansaaf,
13:38When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:40When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:42When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:44When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:46When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:48When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:50When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:52When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:54When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:56When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
13:58When my country's Prime Minister Imran Khan,
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16:20What's your point Ali Muhammad Khan?
16:22NAB has put Bani Tehreek-e-Insaf
16:24and Bushra Bibi's Tosha Khana
16:26under arrest.
16:28What next?
16:30Are you going to see Imran Khan
16:32coming out of jail in the near future?
16:34Or is it just
16:36Abish's trial?
16:38Let me tell you one more thing.
16:40Khan sahib will come out,
16:42but right now Imran Khan's
16:44sentences are over.
16:46If Imran Khan wants to fight elections,
16:48I think more senior lawyers
16:50will comment on that,
16:52but in my opinion,
16:54there is no point right now.
16:56And when I meet Khan sahib in jail,
16:58I will offer him that
17:00because there is no punishment yet,
17:02we will fight our battles in the courts.
17:04I will request Khan sahib
17:06to fight the elections from jail
17:08and I will vacate my seat.
17:10He has already fought elections
17:12on my seat.
17:14I will request him to give this respect
17:16and I will vacate my seat and resign.
17:18I will request Khan sahib to fight
17:20elections on my seat and we will
17:22campaign for him.
17:24And Imran Khan can sit in jail
17:26and become a minister again.
17:28In the presence of Allah,
17:30whether he is giving it or not,
17:32Imran Khan is the only one
17:34who is trusted by the nation
17:36because the nation is behind him.
17:38The government should be yours
17:40to become a minister.
17:42If you want to become a government,
17:44then you have to sit with
17:46some other party.
17:48Pakistan People's Party
17:50could have been a possibility
17:52but Gauhar sahib has said
17:54that Pakistan People's Party
17:56should not be made a government.
17:58If you get the opportunity
18:00to make a government again
18:02with the same party
18:04which is present at this time
18:06after getting the reserved seat,
18:08then can you think about
18:10sitting with the People's Party?
18:12Fighting against corruption
18:14with Zardari sahib
18:16is not acceptable.
18:18But if we get the mandate back,
18:20if the Supreme Court
18:22makes a judicial commission
18:24under 184.3,
18:26could anyone believe
18:28a month ago that
18:30we will get our reserved seats
18:32by the grace of Allah?
18:34Our seats were already distributed
18:36as if this is a financial old age.
18:38As if someone attacked our party
18:40and the women were sitting there
18:42and there was oppression
18:44under the name of Allah.
18:46Now if we are getting our reserved seats,
18:48then what does it mean
18:50that if there is a judicial inquiry,
18:52don't forget that our petition
18:54for 184.3 is in the Supreme Court
18:56on which the Supreme Court
18:58can make a commission
19:00by taking a sue moto notice
19:02or by itself.
19:04If a commission is made on this election,
19:06you tell me how much power
19:08Khawaja sahib,
19:10Shahbaz Sharif sahib,
19:12Asim Iqbal sahib,
19:14Maryam Nawaz Sharif sahiba,
19:16Nawaz Sharif sahib,
19:18they all have lost their elections.
19:20If there is a judicial audit,
19:22then our form 45 people will come.
19:24Our seats are around
19:26180-178.
19:28Ali Muhammad Khan sahib,
19:30the if you are talking about
19:32is a very big if.
19:34It is not that easy
19:3630 seconds
19:38Tell me,
19:40do you see it happening
19:42that they will tell you
19:44that the case of 184.3
19:46which is in your court,
19:48do you see relief on it?
19:50Why not?
19:52If the Supreme Court takes this petition,
19:54which it should take,
19:56because was the election enough
19:58or freedom of expression should also be there?
20:00Freedom of expression is necessary
20:02because you have to eat food.
20:04Halal food is needed.
20:06So the Supreme Court decided
20:08that you should do the election on 8th February.
20:10Was the election enough or freedom of expression?
20:12Freedom of expression did not happen.
20:14The Supreme Court should take judicial notice.
20:16I want to wrap up the segment.
20:18Just answer yes or no.
20:20Did the trust of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
20:22on the Chief Justice of Pakistan
20:24come to fruition, yes or no?
20:26The trust is on the Supreme Court,
20:28not on the Chief Justice.
20:30It is on the Supreme Court.
20:32We will go to the IMF after the break.
20:34Once again we are going to the IMF.
20:36It will be the last program.
20:38The Prime Minister says let's see after the break.
20:44Welcome back after the break.
20:46Ladies and gentlemen,
20:48there is only one parent in Pakistan
20:50and that is the IMF.
20:52The staff level agreement has been signed with the IMF
20:54and the program for the next three years
20:56that we want,
20:58things have settled down on it.
21:00The program will start from 2025.
21:02The program will start from 2025.
21:04There are some very important things
21:06that the IMF has demanded.
21:08Tax from retailers,
21:10bringing the agricultural sector
21:12into the tax net,
21:14increasing the tax collection,
21:16bringing the tax to GDP ratio
21:18to 3%.
21:20This is a very important point.
21:22And not just that,
21:24the foreign currency funds
21:26that are going from the forex market
21:28have to be given to the IMF.
21:30All these things have been done.
21:32But the problem is that we have only one solution.
21:34If the IMF has demanded
21:36to increase the tax collection,
21:38then the people in the tax net
21:40should be given more tax.
21:42The government is saying
21:44that they have done a lot of reforms
21:46but no reforms have been seen in this budget.
21:48The IMF, which is my father,
21:50once again has to take us
21:52into this program.
21:54We have to go.
21:56Will it happen or not?
21:58We will talk about this.
22:00Ali Parvez Malik is with us.
22:02He is the state minister for finance.
22:04Thank you very much for joining us.
22:06First, in simple words,
22:08explain to the people
22:10what we have to do
22:12to convince my father.
22:14You don't have to do much now.
22:16I will request you
22:18that the government is not saying
22:20that the IMF process is almost complete.
22:22If you look at the date,
22:24when you get your SLA,
22:26then I don't think
22:28there is ever an example
22:30in which you don't get your board approval.
22:32Until and unless
22:34there is a statement
22:36from Mr. Dar.
22:38May Allah bless you.
22:40Everyone is working
22:42towards anchoring
22:44what you see as
22:46the current situation in the economy.
22:48In the past,
22:50we have seen against conventional
22:52economics,
22:54what kind of turmoil comes.
22:56The situation of your external account
22:58is not very comfortable.
23:00In the next 3-4 years,
23:02you have to arrange $100 billion
23:04for financing and refinancing your needs.
23:06In that, IMF is required.
23:08When we went against it,
23:10you saw that inflation started to touch the sky.
23:12Your supply disruptions started to come.
23:14The outages of things started.
23:16Your containers were in thousands.
23:18They were standing on the sea.
23:20It is not a very old story.
23:22The good news today is that
23:24you have anchored this work
23:26in a new IMF program.
23:28It is up to Pakistan
23:30whether you want this
23:32to be your last program.
23:34Because if you want
23:36this to be your last program,
23:38then you have to supplement this.
23:40Every Pakistani must desire this.
23:42But the finance minister
23:44said in an interview
23:46to the Financial Times
23:48that this will probably
23:50not be your last program.
23:52It is not about probably.
23:54The thing is that
23:56until you supplement this effort
23:58through reforms,
24:00until you solve
24:02the problems of your productivity,
24:04until you resolve
24:06the problems of your financial account,
24:08then you will be
24:10in the 25th program
24:12that you have done in 70 years.
24:14The request is that
24:16you have to correct
24:18the orientation of the economy
24:20through reforms.
24:22You have talked about many things
24:24in the beginning.
24:26I just want to touch on that.
24:28Should every type of income
24:30be in the tax net or not?
24:32First, as a nation,
24:34we have to decide
24:36whether this principle is right or not.
24:38After that, if our friends
24:40or our associates
24:42expect this from us,
24:44then you are imposing
24:46a burden of 75 billion on us.
24:48Agreed.
24:50I understand your pain.
24:52I also understand
24:54that in the last two years
24:56when there was 40% inflation,
24:58your purchasing power decreased
25:00and you faced a lot of pain.
25:02I agree.
25:04But you should also appreciate
25:06that in the taxation of 3,500 billion,
25:08which you are going to do
25:10in a year,
25:12which is unprecedented
25:14and you need to
25:16anchor this work,
25:18we tried our best
25:20and in the end,
25:22we had to concede
25:24that the burden of 70 billion
25:26is being imposed on the taxpayer.
25:28I am aware of that.
25:30But we tried our best
25:32to stop it.
25:34Let's stop here.
25:36We had to do it
25:38because our trust
25:40is not with the IMF
25:42and other development partners
25:44that we will widen our tax base.
25:46That's why we had to take
25:48these policy decisions.
25:50When we will show them
25:52that we can widen
25:54and document retail.
25:56Let's stop at that.
25:58Was it necessary
26:00that this tax burden
26:02would have been imposed
26:04on a salaried class
26:06instead of increasing
26:08the Prime Minister's
26:10household expenses?
26:12Why couldn't you take
26:14austerity measures there?
26:16Why does this burden
26:18go to the common man?
26:20When you say that
26:22you want to bring
26:24economic stability
26:26and order the fiscal house,
26:28you are absolutely right.
26:30There are two aspects to it.
26:32One is that you want
26:34to increase the revenue
26:36and the other is that
26:38you want to control
26:40the expenses.
26:42The things you pointed out
26:44have a lot of symbolic value
26:46because the government
26:48should be able to see
26:50that they are leading by example.
26:52Let me concede
26:54that the institutions
26:56that you mentioned
26:58have government employees.
27:00If you nullify the 25%
27:02increase in their salaries,
27:04it is not a pronounced
27:06increase.
27:08But I have told you
27:10that the government
27:12should be able to see
27:14that they are leading
27:16by example.
27:18I have conceded
27:20that the government
27:22must be able to see
27:24that they are leading
27:26by example.
27:28Let me come to
27:30the real expenditure reform.
27:32Another perception is
27:34that this is the budget
27:36of the bureaucrats.
27:38The budget of the bureaucrats
27:40has led to an increase
27:42in the salaries of the government
27:44employees.
27:46In the last 10 years,
27:48there has not been
27:50such a massive increase
27:52in the salaries of the government
27:54employees.
27:56If they sell their houses,
27:58they do not have to pay
28:00taxes.
28:02If a common citizen
28:04sells his house,
28:06he has to pay taxes.
28:08Why are there
28:10such disparities?
28:12You have said
28:14that the increment
28:16that the government
28:18employees are getting
28:20is more than the
28:22increase in the
28:24salaries of the
28:26private sector.
28:28What is the difference
28:30between the salaries
28:32of the private sector
28:34and the salaries
28:36of the government
28:38employees?
28:40If I am a government
28:42employee and my salary
28:44is Rs. 200,000,
28:46your salary is Rs.
28:48200,000 as a glamorous
28:50anchor.
28:52If there is a difference
28:54in the purchasing power
28:56of the private sector,
28:58then the increment
29:00should also be more
29:02so that you can
29:04maintain your lifestyle.
29:06If a private person
29:08sells a plot,
29:10he has to pay taxes.
29:12If a government
29:14employee sells a plot,
29:16he has to pay taxes.
29:18I will explain to you
29:20where this exemption
29:22is wrong and where
29:24it is right.
29:26There are 4-5 types
29:28of taxation on real estate.
29:30There are new
29:32taxation and old
29:34taxation.
29:36When Mifta Ismail
29:38brought the Deemed
29:40Income Act,
29:42he brought all these
29:44exemptions.
29:46Word for word,
29:48that exemption has been
29:50picked up and applied
29:52for.
29:54There are 4 instances
29:56where this exemption is
29:58applied and you will tell me
30:00where it is wrong.
30:02First of all,
30:04our martyrs should
30:06be exempted.
30:08Secondly,
30:10war-wounded.
30:12Thirdly,
30:14those employees
30:16of our army or
30:18civil bureaucracy
30:20should be exempted
30:22or not.
30:28The last exemption
30:30that people have tried
30:32to give a different colour
30:34is the exemption that you
30:36have allowed to civil
30:38servants and military
30:40officers and jawans
30:42for plots given to
30:44them by their departments
30:46as original allottees.
30:48Instead of salary,
30:50if you get a plot on
30:52retirement, it is an
30:54exemption to that extent.
30:56You should give it a colour
30:58so that if a military
31:00or government officer
31:02retires and starts
31:04working on real estate,
31:06you will get an exemption.
31:08Please tell me
31:10which exemption
31:12you disagree with.
31:14Absolutely.
31:16This is the cabinet
31:18under the leadership of
31:20Shabaz Sharif who is
31:22serving this country
31:24pro bono.
31:26This is for appreciation.
31:28You should ask
31:30your question
31:32and find out
31:34which new vehicles
31:36have been bought
31:38and who is taking
31:40how much petrol.
31:42The Prime Minister
31:44is serving this country
31:46only for your appreciation
31:48and to put this country
31:50on track.
31:52Shabaz Sharif is
31:54taking all the expenses
31:56from his pocket.
31:58The finance minister
32:00has been working
32:02for 4 months
32:04without any salary.
32:06Please don't belittle
32:08all these efforts.
32:10Why do we need
32:12to increase the budget
32:14of the Prime Minister's
32:16house?
32:18You are raising
32:20a point,
32:22why do we need
32:24to increase the budget
32:26of the Prime Minister's
32:28house?
32:30I will explain
32:32where the expenses
32:34have increased.
32:36As far as I know,
32:38the expenses are
32:40only for the salary.
32:42Please educate me.
32:44Are we living
32:46in 21st century?
32:48Is our country
32:50still facing
32:52economic pressures?
32:54In such a situation,
32:56do we need
32:58the living standards
33:00of the Prime Minister
33:02and his staff?
33:04This is a question
33:06that every Pakistani
33:08asks.
33:10I request you
33:12not to work
33:14on generalizations.
33:16Tell me
33:18which expenses
33:20are not appropriate.
33:22I am telling you that
33:24the Prime Minister
33:26pays for the entertainment
33:28expenses,
33:30the travel expenses,
33:32the salary.
33:34The Prime Minister's
33:36house has government employees.
33:38I do not know
33:40if there are a few hundred
33:42or a few thousand.
33:44The process is the same.
33:46Let's move on now.
33:48Ambassadors from abroad
33:50say that the Prime Minister
33:52of a poor country
33:54does not look dangerous.
33:56You are talking about
33:58expenditure reform.
34:00The Prime Minister
34:02has a chair in which
34:04ministries are being reduced.
34:06Is this not the reality?
34:08Hasn't the PAK PWD
34:10been shut down?
34:12Will the employees
34:14of the offices
34:16being shut down
34:18be fit somewhere else?
34:20Or will they be given
34:22a golden handshake?
34:24Both.
34:26After all,
34:28the offices that will be left
34:30will have vacancies.
34:32People come and go through attrition.
34:34Let me give you a small example.
34:36In LESCO,
34:382,000 linemen are required.
34:40If we shut down GENCO,
34:42the government's thermal generation
34:44and the lager plants that we are
34:46going to scrap,
34:48should we give them a handshake
34:50or let them be absorbed
34:52in LESCO or GEPCO?
34:54They should be absorbed.
34:56There is a human touch,
34:58but the government is fully
35:00cognizant that we have to
35:02reform the reforms and expenditures.
35:04That is why there is a
35:061,000 billion expenditure on pensions.
35:08Pensions are being reformed.
35:10Contributory schemes are being implemented.
35:12Interest rates are being reduced
35:14by controlling inflation.
35:16The government is being right-sized.
35:18Public institutions
35:20are being privatized.
35:22PIA is just months
35:24away from privatization.
35:26Airports are being outsourced.
35:28GENCOs are being shut down.
35:30Distribution companies are being prepared.
35:32These are all expenditure reforms.
35:34You are absolutely correct.
35:36Revenue is one part of the problem.
35:38The other part is expenditure reform.
35:40If both are put together,
35:42there will be a loss control.
35:44One more thing that the IMF
35:46has pointed out is very important.
35:48Especially on the side of
35:50our western borders.
35:52Do you remember that
35:54USD was going to Afghanistan
35:56with a lot of money.
35:58The amount was
36:00calculated within a day.
36:02They said that we should
36:04rectify the forex market.
36:06They clearly said that we should
36:08bring transparency.
36:10How can we shut down
36:12Hundi, Hawala,
36:14illegally taking money?
36:16There is a massive market for that.
36:18They are right.
36:20The grey channel should end.
36:22If you go to the IMF program,
36:24they will remove the
36:26dearth of exchange.
36:28So that people who want to
36:30do business above board,
36:32they should have foreign exchange
36:34so that they can do business.
36:36Because necessity is also
36:38the mother of invention.
36:40If you don't provide them
36:42an operating environment,
36:44then people will find these
36:46thieves.
36:48The second thing is that
36:50through enforcement
36:52and vigilance,
36:54you should get them to do
36:56biometric reporting.
36:58You should improve your vigilance.
37:00Along with that, you should
37:02increase capital requirements
37:04and shut down mom and pop exchanges.
37:06You should try to formalize it.
37:08Today, all the bank exchange companies
37:10are not opening.
37:12If you go there, you don't get
37:14currency, but you should
37:16do biometrics.
37:18Then that is
37:20an enforcement problem.
37:22We should not only improve
37:24enforcement on the market,
37:26we should also improve
37:28enforcement on taxation
37:30and customs.
37:32You can do that through technology.
37:34I am telling you,
37:36if you tell me an example
37:38that a minister
37:40gives so much importance
37:42to the tax authority
37:44that he comes to the office
37:46and takes detailed presentations.
37:48Does he have any other option?
37:50The issue is not that the minister
37:52is giving so much importance.
37:54Does the prime minister
37:56who entered into the 20th
37:58IMF program
38:00have any other option?
38:02He found an option
38:04when he decided not to
38:06reform and forced
38:08the can further.
38:10There are always options.
38:12You have to own the process.
38:14You have to take the bull
38:16by the horn and that is exactly
38:18what Prime Minister Shabaz Sharif is doing.
38:20We should not limit this
38:22to mere words.
38:24If we want to make
38:26the last IMF program,
38:28we have to supplement
38:30this program with
38:32sustained reforms.
38:34Shabaz Sharif's
38:36visit to the FBI
38:38signifies
38:40the importance
38:42of this program.
38:44We have to increase
38:46our enforcement capability
38:48through modern tools
38:50and end-to-end digitization
38:52so that it becomes the last program.
38:54Let's move on to another topic.
38:56The IMF said in the morning
38:58that we have to improve
39:00our tax collection.
39:02After the 18th amendment,
39:04a lot of benefits went to the IMF
39:06but the responsibilities did not go.
39:08This will be a very unpopular decision
39:10because it will involve different parties
39:12from Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, KPK
39:14and there will be challenges
39:16from different parties.
39:18How will we deal with this?
39:20How are we going to ensure it?
39:22Anika, with your help,
39:24when all these issues
39:26will be kept in front of the media
39:28and the interests of the state
39:30will be kept in front,
39:32isn't it a fact that
39:34even in India,
39:36tax to GDP is 10-11%
39:38and the provinces generate 5%
39:40of their revenue.
39:42Isn't it a fact that
39:44in Pakistan,
39:46our federal level tax to GDP
39:48is not that bad
39:50and our provinces
39:52don't mobilize their resources
39:54and there is an imbalance
39:56between your resources.
39:58We will have to increase it.
40:00A divine being will come
40:02and help us.
40:04The first thing is
40:06we want to work with good intentions
40:08and we will find solutions
40:10because today, modern technology is available
40:12which will help you a lot.
40:14This is what we are doing
40:16in FBR through digitization
40:18that today, 5 million new filers
40:20have been presented to the Prime Minister
40:22who have property,
40:24who have cars,
40:26who spend Rs 2 lakh per month on credit cards,
40:28who travel abroad,
40:30who have iPhones
40:32and all these things are available to you through data.
40:34It is just the will
40:36that you have to show
40:38that you are ready to work on this.
40:40You didn't even need an NPM number.
40:42You had a CNIC number
40:44so you could easily make everyone a filer.
40:46So what are you doing today?
40:48Why are you inviting everyone to become a filer?
40:50We are not doing it at all.
40:52We are taking a carrot and stick policy.
40:54If you are a non-filer,
40:56you will have to pay three times more tax
40:58so you are encouraged to become a filer.
41:00And if you don't become a filer,
41:02the data that we have,
41:04the consumption data,
41:06which I am pointing to,
41:08the 5 million people who own properties,
41:10who invest in the stock market,
41:12who own cars,
41:14they are sophisticated people.
41:16They are affluent people.
41:18If we capture them and bring them to the tax net
41:20through enforcement,
41:22then what else?
41:24This is the carrot and stick policy
41:26and this is the way
41:28by which you can reduce the burden
41:30when you are widening your base.
41:32That is what is being done.
41:34Let's move a little bit towards the political side.
41:36Mr. Nawaz Sharif has called a meeting on Monday
41:38in which he is going to discuss
41:40the next strategy.
41:42The government has not yet been able to build a narrative.
41:44In any form,
41:46the narrative of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
41:48is going much further than you.
41:50They have also had two legal victories recently.
41:52How will the government
41:54be able to build a narrative from here?
41:56What will it do?
41:58Anika,
42:00building a narrative
42:02and setting fire to the state
42:04behind that narrative
42:06is not in the DNA of Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz.
42:08Mr. Nawaz Sharif
42:10has always served his country
42:12and has brought Pakistan
42:14out of its problems.
42:16Today, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
42:18is like a mine
42:20in which Pakistan was selling diesel
42:22at a price which
42:24Saudi Arabia was not selling
42:26and the government came to know
42:28that they are going to be dislodged
42:30through a vote of no confidence.
42:32So, on one side, there is that politics
42:34and on the other side,
42:36there is that community
42:38which, using its political capital,
42:40has given this country stability.
42:42And this stability will not come
42:44only by making a narrative
42:46on books and TV.
42:48The 40% inflation which came above 12%
42:50was due to hard work and service.
42:52Today, to anchor it,
42:54the IMF is acknowledging
42:56that the legitimate capital
42:58is yours.
43:00You still could not make a narrative.
43:02I am sorry, you might be doing that,
43:04but you did not make a narrative.
43:06Our narrative may not be as alluring
43:08as Mr. Imran Khan's,
43:10but our services
43:12are in front of the people
43:14and the world is admiring it.
43:16The world is admiring it.
43:18So, I am telling you
43:20that if the world is admiring it,
43:22then why is the IMF
43:24coming to you?
43:26The Mutti Ratings Agency
43:28is saying that you are
43:30on the right track.
43:32The inflation has come above
43:3440% to 12%.
43:36You are following this track
43:38so that the common man
43:40can see the benefits
43:42in your cheap food,
43:44cheap ghee,
43:46cheap commodities.
43:48Your government is insulating
43:50that you are on the right track.
43:52There is a massive difference
43:54between what is being said
43:56and the on-ground reality.
43:58Mr. Ali Parvez Malik,
44:00fill that distance.
44:02The matter will be resolved.
44:04Anika, I did not say anywhere
44:06that you should watch this show
44:08again and again
44:10that the streams of milk
44:12and honey have started flowing.
44:14I said to you that the
44:16level of inflation
44:18and the level of
44:20exploitation and the place
44:22where Mr. Imran Khan
44:24left this country,
44:26where Pakistan's default
44:28was written on the wall.
44:30Your minister was caught
44:32with the IMF
44:34talking on the phone
44:36about how to sabotage
44:38the IMF program.
44:40People were caught
44:42attacking the GHQ.
44:44Is Pakistan's situation
44:46such that they have decided
44:48to push Pakistan on the
44:50track of exploitation
44:52so that Pakistan can
44:54get its place?
44:56Tell me,
44:58do you see Mr. Imran Khan
45:00coming out of jail or not?
45:02I know that when
45:04Mr. Nawaz Sharif was
45:06punished,
45:08a forum was given
45:10after a summary trial
45:12in which there was
45:14a statement,
45:16a defense page,
45:18and if there is any injustice
45:20with them, they should
45:22get relief.
45:24There is no two ways about it.
45:26Pakistan needs to move
45:28beyond this political
45:30victimization. Today,
45:32there is a need for
45:34unity and unity,
45:36and the enemies of the
45:38state, the statements
45:40and the hatred that
45:42have been given to Pakistan,
45:44should not be tolerated.
45:46We are ready to
45:48move in that direction.
45:50Absolutely.
45:52Thank you very much for
45:54joining me in the program.
45:56After the break,
45:58we will talk about
46:00capacity payments.
46:02This is a big issue
46:04that is on our minds.
46:06How can we
46:08avoid it?
46:10This is a big issue
46:12that is on our minds.
46:14How can we avoid it?
46:16This is a big issue
46:18that is on our minds.
46:20How can we avoid it?
46:22This is a big issue
46:24that is on our minds.
46:26How can we avoid it?
46:28This is a big issue
46:30that is on our minds.
46:32How can we avoid it?
46:34This is a big issue
46:36that is on our minds.
46:38How can we avoid it?
46:40This is a big issue
46:42that is on our minds.
46:44How can we avoid it?
46:46This is a big issue
46:48that is on our minds.
46:50How can we avoid it?
46:52This is a big issue
46:54that is on our minds.
46:56How can we avoid it?
46:58This is a big issue
47:00that is on our minds.
47:02How can we avoid it?
47:04This is a big issue
47:06that is on our minds.
47:08How can we avoid it?
47:10This is a big issue
47:12that is on our minds.
47:14How can we avoid it?
47:16This is a big issue
47:18that is on our minds.
47:20How can we avoid it?
47:22This is a big issue
47:24that is on our minds.
47:26How can we avoid it?
47:28This is a big issue
47:30that is on our minds.
47:32How can we avoid it?
47:34This is a big issue
47:36that is on our minds.
47:38How can we avoid it?
47:40This is a big issue
47:42that is on our minds.
47:44How can we avoid it?
47:46This is a big issue
47:48that is on our minds.
47:50How can we avoid it?
47:52This is a big issue
47:54that is on our minds.
47:56How can we avoid it?
47:58This is a big issue
48:00that is on our minds.
48:02How can we avoid it?
48:04This is a big issue
48:06that is on our minds.
48:08How can we avoid it?
48:10This is a big issue
48:12that is on our minds.
48:14How can we avoid it?
48:16This is a big issue
48:18that is on our minds.
48:20How can we avoid it?
48:22This is a big issue
48:24that is on our minds.
48:26How can we avoid it?
48:28This is a big issue
48:30that is on our minds.
48:32This is a big issue
48:34that is on our minds.
48:36How can we avoid it?
48:38This is a big issue
48:40that is on our minds.
48:42How can we avoid it?
48:44This is a big issue
48:46that is on our minds.
48:48How can we avoid it?
48:50This is a big issue
48:52that is on our minds.
48:54How can we avoid it?
48:56This is a big issue
48:58that is on our minds.
49:00How can we avoid it?
49:02This is a big issue
49:04that is on our minds.
49:06How can we avoid it?
49:08This is a big issue
49:10that is on our minds.
49:12How can we avoid it?
49:14This is a big issue
49:16that is on our minds.
49:18How can we avoid it?
49:20This is a big issue
49:22that is on our minds.
49:24How can we avoid it?
49:26This is a big issue
49:28that is on our minds.
49:30How can we avoid it?
49:32This is a big issue
49:34that is on our minds.
49:36How can we avoid it?
49:38This is a big issue
49:40that is on our minds.
49:42How can we avoid it?
49:44This is a big issue
49:46that is on our minds.
49:48How can we avoid it?
49:50This is a big issue
49:52that is on our minds.
49:54How can we avoid it?
49:56This is a big issue
49:58that is on our minds.
50:00How can we avoid it?
50:02This is a big issue
50:04that is on our minds.
50:06How can we avoid it?
50:08This is a big issue
50:10that is on our minds.
50:12How can we avoid it?
50:14This is a big issue
50:16that is on our minds.
50:18How can we avoid it?
50:20This is a big issue
50:22that is on our minds.
50:24How can we avoid it?
50:26This is a big issue
50:28that is on our minds.
50:30How can we avoid it?
50:32This is a big issue
50:34that is on our minds.
50:36How can we avoid it?
50:38This is a big issue
50:40that is on our minds.
50:42How can we avoid it?
50:44This is a big issue
50:46that is on our minds.
50:48How can we avoid it?
50:50Allah Hafiz.