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00:00 Asalam-o-Alaikum, program Khabar Lahariya's I am Aneeka Nisar.
00:27 Ladies and gentlemen, the clouds of war have deepened in the Middle East.
00:31 After the attack on Iran, Israel is no longer afraid of business, life and education.
00:36 The Palestinian-Iranian attack is being celebrated.
00:38 Iran was forced to withdraw after the Salafi Council's economic action.
00:44 Iran has also announced that it will not respond to any more attacks from Israel.
00:49 On the other hand, US President Joe Biden has also warned Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu
00:54 that the US is ready to defend Israel but will not participate in retaliatory action against Iran.
01:00 In response to the attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria, Israel's Iran attacked Israel on April 13
01:08 with cruise missiles and drones.
01:11 More than 300 drones were attacked from Iran's side and many drones fell into Israeli territory.
01:19 However, several Iranian drones were shot down in the airspace between Syria and Jordan.
01:25 According to the Dardanawi news agency, Iranian drones were seen flying from the airspace between Iraq and Sulaymaniyah.
01:34 The sources say that the Iranian armed drones and missiles have damaged many Israeli buildings, including Israeli military bases.
01:43 In the city of Najaf, five Iranian missiles fell on the largest Israeli military base, destroying three Israeli bases.
01:53 Iran has claimed to have successfully targeted 50% of the targets, but Israel claims that the attack on Iran was unsuccessful.
02:03 And it failed to achieve its goals.
02:06 The Central Command of the US claims that the US military destroyed more than 80 drones and ballistic missiles sent to attack Israel.
02:16 But Israel claims that the Israeli army has killed 99% of the drones and missiles with the help of the United States, which did not cause much damage.
02:24 On the part of Iran, the US and neighboring countries were formally informed before the direct attack on Israel.
02:31 Turkey, Iraq and Jordan have also confirmed that Iran had informed the US through them.
02:38 The Dardanawi news agency also confirms that Iran had warned before the attack.
02:43 After the direct attack on Iran, the Islamic countries of Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon and Kuwait have closed their airspace.
02:51 Syria has also alerted its airspace and activated the Russian-made missile defense system.
02:58 After the attack, the US President visited Washington and met with his national security advisers.
03:05 After the attack, a virtual meeting of the G7 countries was also called.
03:09 In this meeting, the condemnation of the Iranian attacks and the determination to defend Israel have been made.
03:14 After the Iranian attack, a rally of the United Nations Security Council has also been called for.
03:19 In this rally, Israel and Iran have called each other a threat to the Middle East.
03:27 The United Nations has called Israel a terrorist country and has called for action against Iran.
03:38 The United Nations has also called the Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization.
03:42 In response to the Israeli ambassador, the Iranian ambassador said that Iran had attacked in its own defense.
03:49 Iran was using its fundamental right to defend itself.
03:52 The United Nations Security Council has failed to fulfill its duty to maintain peace and security.
03:59 Therefore, Iran had no choice but to respond.
04:03 The Iranian ambassador said that Iran does not want a war with any country, but has the right to respond to any threat or continuation.
04:12 Faced with such circumstances, the Islamic Republic of Iran had no choice but to exercise its inherent right to self-defense under international law.
04:25 Israel attacked the Iranian embassy in Damascus on April 1 with F-35 fighter jets.
04:30 Six missiles were fired at the embassy.
04:34 Two senior commanders of the Iranian army, including five people, were martyred in this attack.
04:41 After the attack on the Iranian embassy, Israel has shown a strong reaction from Iran.
04:46 The Iranian Foreign Ministry's translator expressed the determination that Iran has the right to respond to those who attack the Iranian embassy.
04:56 Tehran will decide about the call of these attackers.
05:00 After 10 days of this attack, Iran attacked Israel with 300 drones and cruise missiles.
05:08 The world is now facing the consequences of this retaliatory attack on Iran.
05:12 Israel's history of oppression and violence has been recorded in the past 193 days.
05:20 But the world is silent.
05:24 The United States, Germany, France, Japan and some Islamic countries are now responding to Iran.
05:31 Israel's brutality has not been seen so far.
05:36 The blood of 34,000 martyrs in Gaza has not been seen.
05:41 After the attack on Israel, US President Joe Biden has made the Israeli Prime Minister believe that the United States will not participate in any retaliatory action against Israel.
05:52 The White House's top national security adviser, John Kirby, has also confirmed that the United States will continue its support in its defense of Israel, but does not want war with Iran.
06:05 We can make good on our commitment to defend Israel.
06:08 This was a coalition put together to help Israel defend itself.
06:12 The United States is going to continue to help Israel defend itself.
06:15 That's a commitment.
06:16 Again, look, as I said earlier, the President has been very clear, publicly so.
06:19 We don't seek a war with Iran.
06:21 We don't seek an escalated tensions in the region.
06:24 We don't seek a wider conflict.
06:26 And everything he's been doing, literally since the 7th of October, has been designed to that outcome.
06:32 The United Nations Secretary General, Antonio Guterres, has warned against the serious threats posed by the situation in the Middle East.
06:41 He has warned against any further escalation of the region's tensions with retaliatory actions against Iran.
06:48 The Middle East is on the brink.
06:50 The people of the region are confronting a real danger of a devastating full-scale conflict.
06:57 Now is the time to defuse and de-escalate.
07:00 Now is the time for maximum restraint.
07:04 Madam President, it's time to step back from the brink.
07:07 It's vital to avoid any action that could lead to major military confrontations on multiple fronts in the Middle East.
07:15 Civilians are already bearing the brunt and paying the highest price.
07:20 We will continue our conversation in this regard.
07:22 We have with us Ali Sarwar Naqvi, a former ambassador.
07:25 Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
07:26 Naqvi, we were talking about World War 3.
07:29 Are we on the brink of World War 3?
07:31 Or is this a very proportionate, according to the statement given by Iran, a very proportionate reaction?
07:39 The Israeli war cabinet has said that they will react.
07:43 Then Iran says that if there is a reaction, it will be an even more dangerous reaction.
07:47 In this situation, do you see any escalating matters?
07:52 Or do you think that the matter is now going towards de-escalation in the escalation ladder?
07:56 Yes, look, the danger of escalation is still present.
08:03 And it is present because Israel's position that it will again attack Iran in some way.
08:16 Obviously, Iran, as a self-determined country, will respond to it.
08:22 It will defend itself.
08:25 Under Article 51 of the UN Charter, it has the right to self-defense.
08:31 So if this is the case, then of course there will be an escalation.
08:36 And if there is an escalation, then a conflict situation will develop.
08:40 Which Antony Guterres has also condemned.
08:44 But I think that there are some attempts to intervene in this.
08:53 I am sorry, Naqvi Sahib, I have to cut you short over here.
08:56 The attempts to intervene are being repeated in this.
08:59 That Israel has the right to defend itself.
09:02 But when it comes to Iran's right to defend itself, it is completely knocked out.
09:06 There is an interview of David Cameron, the former Prime Minister of the UK, in which the journalist has asked,
09:11 that if Israel has the right to defend itself, and if someone attacks a UK consulate, what does the UK do?
09:19 He said that if someone attacks, then they would react.
09:22 So then he was asked, why does Iran not have the right to defend itself?
09:28 Why is this hypocrisy?
09:31 This is there.
09:33 We do not believe it.
09:35 Otherwise, hypocrisy and hypocrisy and double standards have been going on for a long time.
09:40 And that is that the laws and principles that Western countries impose on themselves,
09:48 they do not apply to others and do not allow it.
09:53 So this is a contradiction that has been going on for a long time.
09:59 Since the second great war, the Western powers have won the war.
10:07 Since then, there has been a contradiction because they have set one standard on themselves and another standard for others.
10:15 So, it is difficult for them to do it.
10:18 Sometimes, like Russia and China are present in the Security Council,
10:22 they also have some thoughts on the other side.
10:28 But they keep their superiority and superiority and do not let it come to it.
10:39 You said that they keep their superiority, but you have also mentioned about World War II.
10:46 After World War II, the United Nations was formed and it had a very important role of Western countries.
10:52 And it was made to keep peace.
10:55 But the United Nations has said that Israel needs to stop.
10:59 The issues in Gaza are going to be intensified.
11:02 The genocide of Palestinians is going on.
11:05 There are news that there are many genocides happening in Israel's side in Palestine in one day.
11:10 So, no one is ready to listen to the United Nations.
11:13 So, the International Laws, Geneva Convention, Vienna Convention, International Human Rights Laws,
11:18 International Court of Justice, International Criminal Court, United Nations, what are they for?
11:26 These are for their benefit.
11:28 They have made all these institutions so that they can benefit.
11:38 And they should not be affected by any kind of problem.
11:45 And this is the same from the beginning.
11:49 When there was colonialism, the colonial powers in those days,
11:53 the rule they applied on themselves, they did not apply it on colonial people.
11:59 I think there is a double standard.
12:04 But we do this, that despite being present in that standard,
12:11 we fight in it and try to establish our rights.
12:20 You are talking about your rights, so let's move on to Pakistan.
12:25 Pakistan is going through a very delicate situation in this struggle.
12:30 On one hand, Iran is our neighbor.
12:32 We are part of this region where the struggle is increasing.
12:35 On the other hand, there is IMF and many other constraints.
12:38 Pakistan has economic constraints.
12:40 Where are you seeing us standing in all these scenarios?
12:45 I think that our region has an importance that no one can change or end.
12:53 And because of this, we see that Saudi, the Foreign Minister has come here.
12:59 After that, the Iranian President is coming.
13:02 So, all this is happening because of the importance of Pakistan.
13:07 So, Pakistan is present here and will play its role to the extent it can.
13:13 What role will it play, Nafi?
13:16 There are efforts.
13:17 Look at Qawish, when Iran-Iraq war happened,
13:21 Pakistan led 15 missions in Tehran and now in Baghdad.
13:26 In those days, our President himself led the missions.
13:32 And he tried to bring peace between the two.
13:37 So, we play our role, whether it is successful or not.
13:42 But we play our role.
13:45 And Pakistan is an example of a country that has obtained Pakistan from the British colonial system.
13:57 We established our country under their laws.
14:01 And without war.
14:03 So, we do have that capability.
14:06 But, Mr. Naqvi, now the Foreign Minister, Saudi Arabia and the President Iran.
14:11 Will Pakistan be sandwiched between these two?
14:15 No, Pakistan is friends with both.
14:19 And they have a very deep relationship with both.
14:23 So, I think that both are looking at Pakistan at this time.
14:29 And we should take advantage of it.
14:31 Sometimes, people have an interest in us.
14:36 But we don't exploit it completely.
14:39 We should take advantage of our position.
14:47 Right.
14:47 Mr. Naqvi, towards the ending.
14:50 On one hand, this is an Iran issue.
14:53 But, I have a personal doubt.
14:55 Or the Pakistanis in general.
14:57 Is Israel doing this because of the genocide that is going on in Palestine?
15:07 And to distract everyone from this war?
15:11 And could any country be falling for that?
15:16 You have a very good point.
15:18 This is absolutely correct.
15:19 I myself think that this is Israel's diversionary tactics.
15:24 Because Israel has created a mountain of oppression and violence in Gaza.
15:31 It bombards every day.
15:33 Innocent Palestinian citizens are being destroyed.
15:39 38,000 women and children have died.
15:45 So, I think that Israel, because it was under international pressure.
15:49 And it was almost isolated.
15:52 That's why it attacked the Iranian consulate.
15:58 And killed two of their generals.
15:59 So that Iran gets provoked.
16:03 And retaliates.
16:04 Which it has done.
16:06 So, I think that the attention diverting is not right.
16:14 The problems of the Palestinians.
16:17 We should fight to bring their problems out.
16:22 And we need to keep raising our voice for that.
16:25 Ali Sarwar Naqvi, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
16:28 One thing is for sure.
16:29 The distraction that Israel is trying to do at this time, will have to fail.
16:32 Now, there are voices within Israel.
16:34 There are dead voices.
16:36 That Israel's elections are based on hate.
16:38 In the same way, as India's elections are based on hate.
16:41 Elections are coming in Israel.
16:42 And Netanyahu is at the lowest level of his acceptance at this time.
16:48 Millions of people are protesting at this time.
16:50 In Israel, the way the issue of hostages was handled against Netanyahu.
16:55 So, is this just a way to increase politics?
16:58 The way India flags false, is Israel using the same method?
17:02 This is an important question that I am leaving for you.
17:04 And we will go to the break.
17:05 After the break, we will focus on Pakistan's politics.
17:07 See you after the break.
17:08 (Music)
17:18 Welcome back after the break.
17:19 Will the political scene once again turn towards protest politics?
17:21 Or will the issue settle on the loyalty of the MISA?
17:24 Opposition parties have announced a protest movement against the government.
17:30 The day before yesterday, an important meeting of the parties involved in the opposition alliance took place.
17:33 In which, a protest movement has been decided to start from Balochistan.
17:38 President of the Movement for the Protection of the Laws, Mehmood Achakzai,
17:41 in a conversation with the media, Akhtar Mehngal said that this movement should have started 20 years ago.
17:47 So, today, this day would not have to be seen.
17:50 Nor would the Form 47 be formed.
17:52 To bring this movement to an end, the political forces and the public will play an important role.
17:57 Whereas, the opposition leader, Umar Ayub said that the Relations Committee of the Movement for the Protection of the Laws is also being formed.
18:03 We will not abuse anyone, nor will we say anything bad.
18:07 We will talk about the enforcement of the law.
18:09 (Music)
18:11 For the enforcement of the law, the Movement for the Protection of the Laws, which we have started,
18:18 has one point agenda.
18:19 That the enforcement of the law and the law enforcement, this movement has taken this government in its own hands and has destroyed it.
18:26 (Music)
18:28 The reaction of Bilal Bhutto to the formation of the Movement for the Protection of the Laws came.
18:32 He said that even today, some politicians want to bring PNA Part 2.
18:37 However, Bilal Bhutto also invited all political parties to sign the agreement.
18:41 (Music)
18:45 The situation of political uncertainty is permanent.
18:48 Can any political movement tolerate the economic, political and internal conditions of the country?
18:54 Can all political parties sign the agreement on the important issues of the country?
18:58 The Movement for Justice is fighting a legal and political war.
19:01 The Jamaat has also received relief in many cases, including the 9th of May.
19:06 We will talk about this.
19:07 I will introduce the guests who are with us.
19:09 Atar Kazmi is also present in the studio.
19:11 Senior journalist Faisal Kareem Kundi, the leader of the Pakistan People's Party, and Akhtar Mengal will be present with us.
19:17 The political movement has started.
19:19 But to what extent will the political movement succeed?
19:21 Now the question arises that the Movement for Justice, which is running with five more Jamaats,
19:26 are they going to achieve what they want to achieve?
19:28 It depends on what they want to achieve.
19:31 There are different Jamaats in this.
19:33 Everyone has their own goal.
19:35 I think the goal of the Movement for Justice is to get the leadership of the movement out of the prison.
19:41 They want to create an environment in the country where there is pressure on the government,
19:46 pressure on other institutions, and as a result of that pressure,
19:50 their leadership gets some relief.
19:52 So I think it will be very difficult for them to achieve this.
19:56 But the real difficulty will be for the government because different things are happening in the country at the moment.
20:02 There is inflation, there are many other issues related to the economy.
20:06 So I think the challenges of the government are more than the opposition at the moment.
20:11 And you know that in Pakistan, it is the easiest to do opposition.
20:14 If there are more challenges than the opposition, then the whole thing is over.
20:17 The opposition can do whatever they want, the government will not care.
20:20 So the opposition at this time, where the economy and other issues are with the IMF,
20:26 and there is a problem at the international level, Iran, Israel, the whole region is burning,
20:30 in such a situation, isn't it time off to start the movement at this time of the opposition?
20:36 No, I think it is the best time from their point of view.
20:39 Because there are already different kinds of pressures on the government,
20:42 as you said about the economy, there are pressures on the international level.
20:46 They are saying that they want to go to a new program of the IMF,
20:50 they will have to pay more taxes, it is possible that inflation will come.
20:54 Now you see the matter of cheap roti, Maryam Bibi said that you will get a roti for 16 rupees.
20:59 Today there are news from all over Punjab that you are not getting a roti for 16 rupees anywhere.
21:03 So I think these are all the things that the opposition wants to use for its advantage,
21:09 it wants to build momentum.
21:11 I think they think that the ground is fertile at this time,
21:16 if you come out, it is possible that they will need the support of the people.
21:19 Let's see if they agree with you, whether they are a government ally or not.
21:22 We have Faisal Karim Gundi with us, the senior renowned of Pakistan People's Party.
21:26 Mr. Gundi, tell us that you are now talking about the economy after the charter of democracy,
21:34 after the economy you are now talking about the understanding of the economy.
21:37 Do you think that in these circumstances where the opposition is moving with full throttle,
21:44 why will they come and talk about understanding?
21:46 When they know that you are like a cornered party at this point in time,
21:51 why will they come to you, why will they talk about understanding?
21:54 And is this invitation to understanding a sign of weakness?
21:59 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, see it is not like that at all.
22:04 Yesterday, the Pakistan People's Party's chairman, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
22:08 said that when the PTI was in power for 4.5 years,
22:13 we used to say that we have not met anyone,
22:17 nor do we want to meet anyone, nor do we want to sit with anyone,
22:20 even if they are nationalists, we do not like to sit with anyone.
22:24 Therefore, we have never said this,
22:27 we say that your reservations, your TORs, you come and sit.
22:31 In the past, when the PDM and its third parties were in power,
22:35 we convinced the PMLN and its third parties,
22:39 and we made them sit with the opposition PTI and get them to dialogue.
22:43 Even now, we want their reservations to come.
22:46 We will try to bring their reservations to the level of the government.
22:50 The government cannot do anything about the courts,
22:53 the courts have to decide.
22:55 The thing is that their reservations are about the government,
22:58 and they want to protest against the government.
23:01 They are making a movement,
23:05 so they have to sit with us.
23:08 But they are not ready to talk right now,
23:11 they were adamant about it earlier,
23:13 but now you are ready to talk, you are saying that any TORs,
23:16 whatever reservations they have, they should come and sit with us.
23:20 You know that one of their reservations is about the mandate,
23:22 that on 8th February, the mandate was stolen.
23:24 One of their reservations is that Form 45 said something else,
23:26 Form 47 said something else, and this form is the government of Form 47.
23:29 Is the government ready to deal with this reservation as a united government?
23:34 Look, we can talk about this too.
23:36 If they have proper evidence,
23:39 and they are present in the forum,
23:41 then we can talk about this too.
23:43 As far as the mandate is concerned,
23:45 their opposition, their union has not been formed yet,
23:48 Maulana Fazar Aman Sahib,
23:50 he also says that his mandate has also been stolen.
23:53 According to him, if their mandate has been stolen,
23:56 and if it has been divided,
23:58 then the Sunni Tihad Council or PTA, whatever name they have,
24:01 they should be given.
24:03 So first, they should show their moral courage,
24:06 first return their mandate to them,
24:08 then the Judicial Commission,
24:10 which is their government,
24:12 they should start from there, so that the other government can follow it.
24:15 They don't want to do anything on their level,
24:17 but they say such things.
24:19 Look, if there are things, we say that there are things,
24:21 we should say that, we are ready for dialogues,
24:23 we are ready for things,
24:25 but if a person says that I don't want to sit,
24:27 I don't want to talk,
24:29 and until I don't have my own umpire,
24:31 my own bowler, my own batsman, I won't talk,
24:33 and these same Tihadi Jamaat, who were with us yesterday,
24:35 these people were accusing them,
24:37 that on whose behalf have you joined,
24:39 how many times have you taken marathas,
24:41 have you joined,
24:43 they say that they don't join like this,
24:45 they will take marathas or sign on someone's face.
24:47 Your faces are changing,
24:49 you think that,
24:51 this thing about Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
24:53 this is against the opposition,
24:55 the government has a big weapon,
24:57 that they are saying that you have done the dhandali,
24:59 and you have got the seats from dhandali,
25:01 our seats have been given on your basis,
25:03 how will Pakistan Tehreek-e-Injaf support this,
25:05 if the movement is to be run,
25:07 and the slogans that were raised about Maulana,
25:09 then Maharaj Sahib refused,
25:11 maybe if he had not refused,
25:13 it wouldn't have come out,
25:15 but he refused, and then Asad Qaisar Sahib's statement came,
25:17 so this entire thing tells us,
25:19 that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Injaf is still in Samahuddin,
25:21 and wants to talk to Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
25:23 wants to form an alliance,
25:25 for that they will have to deal with their reservations,
25:27 do you think he is ready for that?
25:29 Wherever you form an alliance,
25:31 you have to deal with these things,
25:33 not only Maulana,
25:35 look at Ajay Zahid Sahib, Akhtar Mahgal,
25:37 these are the personalities,
25:39 who in the past,
25:41 Tehreek-e-Injaf has held a very strict position,
25:43 in fact, the statements they had,
25:45 people used to counter them on social media,
25:47 and used to put big allegations against them,
25:49 but they met them,
25:51 so now the communities have to decide together,
25:53 to what extent they will go together,
25:55 now what is their ultimate goal,
25:57 just now Ajay Zahid Sahib was nominated for Sadarat,
25:59 tomorrow if Tehreek-e-Injaf comes in the position of forming a government,
26:01 will they still nominate Ajay Zahid Sahib,
26:03 how long will this alliance last,
26:05 so not only Maulana,
26:07 there are other allies too,
26:09 but having said that,
26:11 can you just put a gun to the head in the alliance,
26:13 will they still do it or not,
26:15 what do you want to do,
26:17 I am talking from experience,
26:19 that the PDM people did with Maulana,
26:21 Maulana was almost Sadar from his side,
26:23 he was told,
26:25 often people used to say,
26:27 that Maulana will be made Sadar,
26:29 you are saying PTI will do this,
26:31 Zardari Sahib has been made Sadar,
26:33 that's what I am asking,
26:35 you are saying if PTI,
26:37 coin flips,
26:39 PTI will do this with Ajay Zahid,
26:41 Ajay Zahid Sahib should ask them,
26:43 if in a difficult time,
26:45 an ally is with you,
26:47 when your position is stable,
26:49 and you ditch him,
26:51 like PDM people did with Maulana,
26:53 I think it will be unfair.
26:55 Still it is a matter of heart and soul,
26:57 this is a hypothetical thing,
26:59 but Kundi Sahib,
27:01 do you think that this movement,
27:03 and then this statement of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
27:05 that this is PNA part 2,
27:07 behind PNA,
27:09 obviously we all know,
27:11 it was the hand of the establishment,
27:13 do you see any situation here,
27:15 that this is such a big blame,
27:17 5-6 groups,
27:19 See, we have given the title of PNA,
27:21 because when PNA was,
27:23 when PDM was,
27:25 we were all saying that we should have a discussion,
27:27 we still say that we should have a discussion,
27:29 we don't want to have a discussion,
27:31 we say that we don't want to talk to you,
27:33 until you are made the government,
27:35 now we cannot make them the government,
27:37 if we get the government,
27:39 then we will talk,
27:41 I don't agree with Kazmi Sahib,
27:43 no promise was made with Maulana Fazal Aman,
27:45 that you will be made the president,
27:47 who promised,
27:49 the People's Party of Pakistan,
27:51 did not promise that we will make you the president,
27:53 it will be on the basis of who had the mandate,
27:55 Maulana Fazal Aman,
27:57 I have to get you short,
27:59 you have made a very important point,
28:01 you said that no one had promised,
28:03 and the People's Party had not promised,
28:05 if they want to be the president on four votes,
28:07 then they should,
28:09 Kundi Sahib had not promised,
28:11 his party had not promised,
28:13 but the PDM gave him the presidency,
28:15 when the situation was difficult,
28:17 but you said that you had promised,
28:19 no, I said that the unity,
28:21 which they had promised,
28:23 and regarding Maulana Sahib,
28:25 you can take any senior of JUIF,
28:27 and ask him,
28:29 he knows that in a closed room,
28:31 where there is a promise,
28:33 he will be the president,
28:35 Kundi Sahib will be sitting there,
28:37 I will not be there,
28:39 I was not a part of the PDM,
28:41 we had no commitment,
28:43 nor did we have any agreement,
28:45 we had left the PDM long back,
28:47 the foundation of the PDM was laid by the People's Party of Pakistan,
28:49 when they had held the All Parties Conference,
28:51 and in that the foundation of the PDM was laid,
28:53 which Maulana Sahib had made,
28:55 they had removed us,
28:57 they had removed the ANP also,
28:59 so we were not a part of it,
29:01 and when you ask for a government,
29:03 you should have mercy on us.
29:05 Kundi Sahib, you were not a part of the PDM,
29:07 but you are a part of the same group,
29:09 which was an important part of the PDM,
29:11 and you are a part of the government now,
29:13 were there any promises made,
29:15 from those groups,
29:17 or from PMLN,
29:19 from Maulana Sahib,
29:21 who is looking very angry,
29:23 and PTI is trying to convince him,
29:25 why are you not trying to convince Maulana Sahib?
29:27 Maulana Sahib and PMLN can tell,
29:29 but we are not in that group,
29:31 that we have made any promises.
29:33 But you are a part of the same group,
29:35 do you have any information, Kundi Sahib?
29:37 We have become a part of the same group,
29:39 we were not a part of the same group earlier,
29:41 the promises made by PMLN,
29:43 I don't understand,
29:45 see, things always happen after the elections,
29:47 when you have a number game,
29:49 there are no promises,
29:51 we were also primary candidates,
29:53 we did not have a number game,
29:55 we were on the second number,
29:57 if Maulana Sahib has four seats,
29:59 and you say you will make him the President,
30:01 how will you make him the President?
30:03 Are you talking about four seats again and again,
30:05 are you taunting me, or is it a fact?
30:07 No, no, you want to give examples,
30:09 I don't want to give examples.
30:11 I am asking you, you have said it 2-3 times,
30:13 that four seats, four seats.
30:15 Even Mr. Kazmi is liking Maulana Sahib,
30:17 I think.
30:19 I like Kundi Sahib,
30:21 I want him to get a big position,
30:23 we will be happy,
30:25 we are all equal.
30:27 Mr. Kazmi, ultimately,
30:29 there are some requirements,
30:31 which are of this movement,
30:33 TORs in other words,
30:35 they are in front of the government,
30:37 the government will not agree,
30:39 the government's requirements,
30:41 the opposition will not agree,
30:43 we are on a standstill,
30:45 where we are not able to cross the R,
30:47 it is a state of chaos,
30:49 how will this be finished,
30:51 by the government or the opposition?
30:53 This will be the situation
30:55 till the next elections.
30:57 Unless, as you said earlier,
30:59 Maulana is not happy with PTI,
31:01 that our mandate has been stolen,
31:03 similarly PTI is saying,
31:05 they are talking about four seats,
31:07 PTI is talking about 17 seats,
31:09 that the government has been made on 17 seats,
31:11 and the people of 17 seats have made
31:13 Mr. Zardari the president,
31:15 so see, there is an allegation everywhere.
31:17 PTI was told to make the government,
31:19 you become the prime minister,
31:21 why did you not become the prime minister?
31:23 It was their wish, but they were saying,
31:25 that our seats are more,
31:27 why should we form a government with you,
31:29 you return our mandate.
31:31 Now, what Mr. Javed Lateef is saying,
31:33 what the other leaders of the Noon League are saying,
31:35 I am saying this in my own program,
31:37 in front of you, they said,
31:39 that a lot has happened in the elections,
31:41 so there is a big question mark on these elections,
31:43 this government is such a big burden on it,
31:45 of these elections,
31:47 and the statements that will be made after that,
31:49 I don't think that in these circumstances,
31:51 any improvement can be made in the political environment.
31:53 Okay, Mr. Akhtar Mengal is with us,
31:55 the head of BNP, thank you very much,
31:57 Mr. Mengal, you joined us.
31:59 Mr. Mengal, the movement,
32:01 because it is being said that the movement should have started 10 years ago,
32:03 if the democracy had to be advanced,
32:05 then it should have been done earlier,
32:07 you are agreeing with him,
32:09 and are moving ahead,
32:11 but there is a big gap
32:13 between expectations and reality,
32:15 do you see that gap being filled?
32:17 in this movement,
32:19 the demands you have,
32:21 and the things you can achieve,
32:23 regarding that?
32:25 When a movement starts,
32:27 then a person takes some expectations and hopes,
32:29 and then he joins the movement.
32:31 Without obstacles,
32:33 there is no struggle.
32:35 Whatever you want to achieve,
32:37 you have to go through a lot of obstacles,
32:39 but you have to go through a lot of challenges,
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