Welcome back to Pucks with Haggs! Joe Haggerty and Mick Colageo answer your Bruins questions about the Jeremy Swayman contract negotiations and whether Fabian Lysell has a shot at an NHL spot this season.
From the intricacies of Jeremy Swayman's contract negotiations to the strategic roster moves involving players like Ullmark and Zadorov, this podcast leaves no puck unturned. Delve into the legacy of past Bruins goalies, the significance of player development, and the team's quest for a championship-caliber lineup. Join the conversation as they explore the dynamic landscape of NHL goaltending and the Bruins' strategic vision for success on the ice.
0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Entering the hockey Dead Zone
4:30 - Restricted free agents status
8:11 - Team's hope for players
10:08 - Negotiating Swayman's contract
16:11 - Comparing player contracts
21:21 - Speculating on contract terms
23:22 - Vezina Trophy finalists
25:00 - Tuukka Rask's performance
26:48 - Zadorov signing implications
30:53 - Bruins playoff memories
33:19 - Fabian Lysell's potential
35:26 - Bruins' draft strategy
39:04 - Need more development
41:53 - Long-term development plan
46:31 - Draft pick success
52:27 - Impact of Zadorov signing
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From the intricacies of Jeremy Swayman's contract negotiations to the strategic roster moves involving players like Ullmark and Zadorov, this podcast leaves no puck unturned. Delve into the legacy of past Bruins goalies, the significance of player development, and the team's quest for a championship-caliber lineup. Join the conversation as they explore the dynamic landscape of NHL goaltending and the Bruins' strategic vision for success on the ice.
0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Entering the hockey Dead Zone
4:30 - Restricted free agents status
8:11 - Team's hope for players
10:08 - Negotiating Swayman's contract
16:11 - Comparing player contracts
21:21 - Speculating on contract terms
23:22 - Vezina Trophy finalists
25:00 - Tuukka Rask's performance
26:48 - Zadorov signing implications
30:53 - Bruins playoff memories
33:19 - Fabian Lysell's potential
35:26 - Bruins' draft strategy
39:04 - Need more development
41:53 - Long-term development plan
46:31 - Draft pick success
52:27 - Impact of Zadorov signing
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00:00Pucks with Hags is brought to you by PrizePix and the GameTime app.
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00:13I believe this is the 107th episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast, so thanks for tuning
00:19in for all these podcasts that we've done with me today, longtime friend and colleague
00:23and frequent guest, Mick Colaggio.
00:26Mick, thanks for joining us and please tell everybody where they can find your work, my
00:30First, I want to note that I think the Bruins had 107 points in the 72-73 season.
00:34Um, I had, there you go, I had, uh, they did win 50 games, um, but they did not win the
00:42cup.
00:43Hell no.
00:44They lost from five to the Rangers and they had home ice.
00:46It was a disaster.
00:47That's right.
00:48Phyllis Pezzuto got hurt.
00:49Anyway, you can find me blah, blah about this and other things on my blog, Rinkwrap, which
00:54I linked to X, um, I write a Sunday column for Boston Hockey Now, and, um, and I do appearances
01:01like this because Joe's so kind to have me.
01:04Absolutely.
01:05Uh, I'd love to have you, Mick, and, uh, always a pleasure, my friend.
01:10I love the, I love the, uh, and I, the listeners do too, love the historical perspective you
01:15give on things and sort of the different perspective you have on all things Bruins, uh, from being
01:21a fan for as long as you have and a writer and all the different hats that you've worn.
01:25So you are well appreciated here.
01:27Lots of hats.
01:28Today's Cafe Martin hat.
01:30That's right.
01:31Oh, that's a beautiful hat.
01:32I love to see the Cafe Martin hat.
01:33All right.
01:34Uh, we, we are entering Mick, um, now that we are, you know, close to what's the date
01:39today we're doing this Friday, July 12th.
01:43We are entering a perilously close to the hockey dead zone, uh, from about July 15th
01:49until about August 15th, uh, Jack squat going on in the hockey world.
01:55Yes, there is, there is, um, you know, we're going to see like incredible Facebook posts
02:00about outlandish stuff.
02:02That's clickbait.
02:03It's because those people are trying to make money in the, the absolute, uh, death Valley
02:08of hockey news.
02:09That's going to be going on for the next month or so.
02:11So, uh, the podcast will be going, we'll still continue to churn them out and we'll find
02:16some fun stuff to talk about.
02:17But I think today we'll stick with the standard, uh, of what we've done in the past of talking
02:22about, um, some of the news that's going on, a few things that are happening out there
02:26and answer a few questions as well.
02:28Um, the only thing of note, uh, today and the last couple of days really is, uh, Michael
02:34Callahan and Alec regular, uh, household names.
02:38If there were ever a couple of them on the backend for the Providence Bruins, they got
02:42signed today to one year, uh, two way deals for 775 K at the NHL level.
02:48Um, both I call depth defense, but I don't think we're going to see them at the NHL level
02:52unless there are injuries, you know, regular, I think probably has a bit, uh, of a, a better
02:57chance of Callahan of, of, you know, making a cameo or two now.
03:01Uh, but there's still, I think other defensemen, uh, Ian Mitchell being one of them that are
03:06going to be in front of them as far as depth charts go.
03:09Uh, he's a right shot.
03:11He's a right shot, Mitchell.
03:12And, and, uh, I know that regular and, uh, Callahan are not the same as far as which
03:17way they're, they're holding the stick.
03:19Right.
03:20So that can affect things a little bit.
03:22Um, regular has really been a nice, he and Renuf were really a reliable pairing
03:26for the P Bruins and, um, they were, and I can't remember what Renuf status is right
03:31now and I can't pull up cap friendly.
03:35Yeah.
03:35Renuf is gone.
03:36He signed somewhere else.
03:37I saw that the other day.
03:38I forget who it was.
03:39He signed with, but he's gone.
03:41Okay.
03:42So, Hey, regular, you know, he won't be a regular, but, um,
03:48it was Providence.
03:49Low hanging fruit, Joe.
03:51These guys, these are going to be, uh, these are going to be stalwart, uh, guys
03:55for the Providence Bruins as Mark Diver, I think tweeted today.
03:59He said, you mentioned something about how these are two of, uh, down
04:02the stretch, maybe last year.
04:03These were, uh, two of Providence's best and most consistent, and I
04:07think that will be, you know, the case again, this year, uh, for both
04:11these players, Michael Callahan being a local guy, Alec regular along came
04:15with, uh, along with Ian Mitchell in, in, uh, trades that Don Sweeney made
04:19before last year to kind of shore up the defenseman depth and give them
04:22a couple of guys that have had some NHL experience.
04:24Yep.
04:25Um, if, if there are injuries that are coming.
04:28So, uh, just any thoughts on this?
04:31Um, this leaves only, um, uh, Mark McLaughlin and Jeremy Swayman is the
04:38only restricted free agents, uh, that are still yet to sign contracts.
04:42Everybody else has been taken care of at this point with these
04:44two deals coming down the pipe.
04:45Yeah.
04:46It's at that point where Houston's about to lose contact with the ship and we're
04:50going to have to sit and stare at the clouds for three minutes and hope it
04:54isn't four or five or six before the, you know, the, you see the parachutes
04:58come through and, and, um, and Swayman has a deal.
05:01So, um, I'm not really worried about it, but I did just think it'd probably be
05:08a fascinating article right now to, to talk about Bruins RFA goalie contracts
05:17through, through history and, uh, that went into the dog days of summer without
05:25resolution and what they, and what, you know, each, not only what each player
05:30got and, but, and when he was signed, but if the prolonged wait affected the
05:39play and, and I don't see any of that.
05:42I think that, you know, they'll both be proclaiming.
05:45There'll be a win-win.
05:46The only way that has any chance of happening, Mick, is if it
05:48spills into like training camp.
05:50You know, if it starts to become real where they're missing real time, I mean,
05:53Swayman has been around warrior.
05:55He was there at development camp, uh, multiple times, including be on the
05:58ice before one of the sessions.
06:00Like, I think he's doing what he normally does.
06:03I think the only, and he's readying for the season as he normally would.
06:06I feel like the only way this becomes a real problem is if it starts spilling
06:12and bleeding over into training camp and he starts missing real, you know,
06:15practice time and real reps, uh, because this is, there's any kind of holdup here.
06:19I don't foresee that happening, but I think that's the only way it would turn
06:22into like a negative impact on the season.
06:24Well, it would, because then you got us making pains in the butts of
06:27ourselves to the coaches at training camp.
06:31Would never do that.
06:32I would never do that.
06:35Well, I would not sit back and let other people do it, but I know it's common.
06:39If, if this thing somehow winds up there, we, I can't ever forget that
06:45Andrew Raycroft was the 2003 or four rookie of the year.
06:51Yeah.
06:51And he was, he and Nick Boynton, I remember that Boynton and he had bad
06:58lockout years, the old four Oh five, no NHL, the dark winter, uh, they wound
07:06up doing, I think Razor played in this awful league in Canada, which guys
07:10would score in like 5th, 17 goals a game.
07:13And nobody was defending.
07:14And, and then later in the season, he catches on with a team in the
07:17finish league, but he doesn't even get starter reps.
07:21So he has a very incomplete.
07:25Nick Boynton winds up playing in England and they both come back.
07:30And because of the Bruins botched lockout strategy, which Jeremy Jacobs
07:35has told me that we did what they told everybody to do was not a Maverick
07:41solution in his mind, it was what the league said everybody do.
07:45But once they incorporated the player's offer of a 24% rollback into a cap, then
07:52the Red Wings and teams like that got to keep a lot of great players that it was
07:58supposed might wind up on the open market and they didn't.
08:02And so the Bruins were suddenly like Superbowl Sunday, you're in the
08:06grocery store at 6 PM and the shelves are bare and you're trying to put
08:10together a hockey team and you're hoping like hell that Brian Lee still
08:14has something left that Sean McEachern still has something left that, uh, that
08:19you don't have Mike Kniebel anymore, but you're hoping that was the guy who used
08:22to play for the Islanders that wound up replacing him and wearing number 21
08:26briefly for them just that one year.
08:28I can always come up with this name, but now I can't.
08:31Um, but you're hoping that these guys could be reasonable facsimiles and you
08:35run through all of these different guys who have seen their best years.
08:38Alexi Zhamnov being among them.
08:40Um, and, uh, and you wind up having a season that actually was starting to,
08:46after the disaster, start the Thornton blockbuster and now Patrice Bergeron
08:53is making his NHL debut, not until that trade at the center position.
08:57He was, they actually started him.
08:59Sully started them out on the right wing again, even though he had played
09:02that lockout year at center and in the AHL.
09:06Um, and so they were only like two points out of the playoffs.
09:10At coming out of the Olympic break.
09:13And, um, unfortunately for them, uh, they start out in Carolina and PJ
09:18Axelson has a head-on collision with Aaron Ward and it blows up Axelson's knee.
09:23And the whole team goes downhill after that.
09:27Next thing you know, the season's unraveling and, and now Michael
09:30Connell gets fired at, in March.
09:32Why?
09:33Because he, in Harry's words, he did things that he ought not be doing when we
09:38kind of knew we were going to make a change.
09:40Okay.
09:41What was he doing?
09:42He was signing two players.
09:44He was extending two players, PJ Axelson and Tim Thomas.
09:49So OC literally got fired for signing Tim Thomas.
09:56I love the irony.
09:58Turned out to be a good thing.
09:59Turned out to be a good thing.
10:00So he's the Dan Duquette of that Sam championship.
10:04There's no doubt in my mind.
10:06Yeah.
10:06But yeah, I, and I don't foresee this.
10:08Like this is not the Harry Sandan era.
10:10I do not foresee this turning into a Nick Boynton, uh, Andrew Raycroft
10:15situation with their contracts, where it's going to become a problem.
10:19And, uh, Sundin's going to tell somebody to start go yodeling instead
10:22of, uh, playing for the Bruins.
10:26He's going to tell him to go, uh, go salmon fishing in Alaska, Swayman,
10:30instead of, uh, playing for the Bruins.
10:32Like, I don't see any of that happening.
10:34I, this is going to get done.
10:35And, and what we talked about, because the Swayman wants it to get done.
10:39He clearly wants to be a member of the Bruins.
10:40The Bruins wanted to get done.
10:42I really think what's at play here.
10:44And I wrote about this and we talked about it on the last podcast,
10:48Mick, and we can talk about it now again, a little bit.
10:50I want to get your perspective on it.
10:52Um, I think it's just the difference in, uh, numbers and what
10:56he's going to get paid right now.
10:57And I honestly think this is a tough one with Jeremy Swayman, because
11:01I'm sure he wants to get paid.
11:03Like he's one of the best goalies in the league, but I don't think
11:07you can pay him like that when he's never played more than 44 games in a
11:10season and he's never like even a shouldered the full workload and
11:15proven that he can do it, you know, when he wants to get paid, like the
11:18compare, there's no comparables out there.
11:20The comparable that I looked at when I was looking at the other goalies was
11:24Soros, the deal that he's coming out of that he just signed, it was the Soros
11:29three years, $15 million that he was make that he got when he was splitting
11:34time with Pekka Rene that led to the deal he has now, the seven years,
11:397.75 million, whatever it is, which that's, I think the very, very high
11:44end of what Swayman would ever get in a million years, because he's got
11:48the Bruins over a barrel a little bit because they traded all mark because
11:51they don't have any other real alternative and they chose against arbitration.
11:56Right.
11:56And, and like, look, they're going to be buying out a lot of his free agent
12:00years, so you can make an argument that you can pay him more than you probably
12:03should because you're buying out all these free agent years, but I still
12:07think it's going to be in the low sevens.
12:08Like it shouldn't be even what Soros has.
12:11Soros has played over 60 games, three years in a row.
12:15Uh, he's been, you know, a stalwart workhorse guy that's put up big numbers.
12:20That's been a Vesna finalist and, and, uh, gotten heavy Vesna voting every single
12:24year.
12:25Um, Ilya Shostakhin was another guy that I think was a comparable, uh, but he as
12:32well, playing 50 plus games a year, getting Vesna, uh, Vesna trophy and Vesna
12:38votes being a Vesna finalist, Conor Hullabuck, two Vesnas, like workhorse
12:43plays over, you know, 60 games a year.
12:46Like all this, all the other guys are not comparables to Jeremy Swayman because
12:50they've all been established starters for a long period of time.
12:52And some of it's not his fault because he was here with all mark.
12:55Like you get all that, but you can't, you can't say he's going to be capable
12:59of maintaining his performance for 60 plus games in an NHL season as a
13:03workhorse, number one starter.
13:05If he's never done it before.
13:06I really think he needs to go out and improve it.
13:10And maybe there's some way you can like give him a, you know, a three year,
13:13$18 million deal or something that, and that's a dangerous game
13:17because that ends in UFA.
13:20It is.
13:21And, and, but you can't, but what happens, this is the other scenario,
13:24what happens if you give him seven years, seven and a half million dollars, you're
13:29paying them like one of the best goalies in the league, like, you know, the, the
13:33top guys, the number one guys on every single team, and then he goes out and in
13:39the first year, he, when he plays for two weeks in a row, all of a sudden you see
13:44the performance start to go down.
13:46You see mental and physical, a wear down effect as the year is going on playing a
13:52lot more.
13:52Like, I don't think that's going to happen.
13:54I actually think he's built to be a number one goalie in a workhorse.
13:57And I think he's going to be a guy that's going to pass those tests with flying
14:00colors, and he's going to prove his worth as far as all that goes.
14:03Here's what I think.
14:04I think Swayman knows and is saying to the Bruins, it isn't that I think that you
14:12think that otherwise you wouldn't have done what you did.
14:15You traded Elmar, you put me in a position that just shows that you
14:20believe that this is the outcome.
14:22So pay me like it.
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15:50Yeah, but it's not, that's not how contracts work though.
15:52You know, like you can't just say, look, you traded all marks.
15:54So now you have to give me this because you believe in me.
15:56Like, that's not how it works.
15:57You have to, the agent for the player has to show contracts that are comparable
16:02to say, this guy has the same numbers as this guy.
16:05He needs to get paid like that guy.
16:07And there are no comparables that have Swayman's numbers that are going to be
16:11making seven or $8 million a year.
16:13That's where the problem comes in, is in the actual like negotiating of a
16:17contract between an agent and a GM, there are zero comparables to Jeremy
16:22Swayman that are getting paid seven or $8 million a year on a seven
16:26or $8 million a year deal.
16:27There just aren't.
16:29So like, I think this is why nothing's happening, because I think they're in
16:32a real difficult spot where the Swayman's camp wants to get paid like
16:37Shusterkin and Hellebuck and Saros.
16:40And I'm sure the Bruins are like, we'd love to pay you that kind of money,
16:43but like, you haven't earned it yet.
16:44You're like, you're not there yet as a goalie with what you've done in your
16:48career and it does open up a problem.
16:52It's a tough one because they're contradicting.
16:54It's I, I'm not disagreeing with you from a historical perspective.
16:58That is how it goes.
16:59I get it.
17:00Um, yeah, but a lot of guys get most of the, make most of their money after
17:06they've played their best, whatever, you know, and, and that's sports is right.
17:12And I, and I think that, I think that other teams go, do go outside the box
17:17and they do bold moves that are based on, um, beliefs that this is what we have.
17:21And this is what we want.
17:22And this is what we think we're going to do.
17:24And we want to be here for a very long time.
17:25I think it would really be antithetical to go with something, try to do some
17:29sort of a bold, like a high end bridge contract, I think would really be, uh,
17:34something that the Swayman camp would kind of like get out of here with that
17:37crap, let's do this and say, yo, I'm your, I'm your guy, I've proven it in
17:41the playoffs, you know, and let's go, you know, I mean, everybody needs
17:44incredible backup now, um, you only, um, but, but, you know, I mean, didn't he
17:49play, um, not like two or three years ago.
17:52Didn't he play more games?
17:54Didn't he played any of these last couple of seasons?
17:57Um, no, this past year was the most he's played 44.
18:01Okay.
18:02Yeah.
18:02So it's slightly more, I mean, it's, it's not even close to 60.
18:07It's not even like 50.
18:09You, he did have a good playoff, but that's a month.
18:12That's like, probably even was even less than a month.
18:14It was two series and two tough series.
18:16And that, and that helps you like that, that helped him, that helped them decide
18:21to trade L mark and give him the job.
18:23Number one, there's no question.
18:26He's going to be the number one goalie to hedge the bets on when, with the
18:29contract after, after making the personnel decision that puts them there.
18:34That's all I'm saying.
18:35And that's what I'm assuming.
18:36That's what I expect is to sway men camps argument about why he should be
18:40paid like the, like the top guys.
18:44Right.
18:44But you can't, I don't in a world, in a world of negotiation and you
18:50know, the way it works, it's just like real estate.
18:53You have to find comparable properties and that's how you
18:55get like the value of a property.
18:57Like that's just how it goes.
18:58That's the way the game is played.
19:00Like that's how every single one of them.
19:02Um, you can make the argument, I guess, that like, if you're selling to a
19:06relative, you're going to sell for less money, or you could give a
19:08sweet art dealer, something like that.
19:10I think if swimming has to settle for a bridge contract and takes fewer years,
19:14because like three years, because he doesn't want, want to settle for that
19:18salary and on seven years, for instance, I think he'll leave.
19:24I don't think he would, but like, I don't think it's going to get that far either.
19:28I agree with you.
19:29I don't think they're going to go down that road because they don't want to.
19:32I didn't take the risk that he's just lights out for three years and that
19:35turns into their paying them 10 million a year or whatever, you know, three years
19:38from now, but I do think it's going to take, it's going to cause him to
19:43probably get less than everybody thinks.
19:45Well, I do agree with that part because I heard a lot of eight times
19:49eight, eight times eight, everybody thinks he's going to get eight years,
19:5264 million, he is not going to get eight years.
19:55No, that ain't going to happen because I think it's going to be much
19:58closer to eight years, 56 million.
20:01What I feel like I've learned over these last few years, every time there's been
20:08mass panic over the Bruins cap situation, and they're not going to be able to fit
20:12these guys in and not going to be able to do this guy, it always works out.
20:16They always do what they want to do.
20:19The Zamboni.
20:22They're also willing to spend money.
20:23You know, they're, they're willing to spend money for the players.
20:27They, they spend the cap, like the, the era, like what you're talking about when
20:32they were coming out of the lockout and it was a disaster when they didn't
20:35re-sign Knuble, they didn't re-sign, you know, Ralston, they didn't
20:39re-sign Sergei Gonchar, they didn't re-sign Nylander, all those players
20:43they had that they loaded up on right before that year-long lockout.
20:46And Marty LaPoinko is like, yeah, one more year left, but it was the
20:50lockout year and they let that expire.
20:55But yeah, those, those times are over.
20:57You know, like that, that's not been the case for the Bruins in a long time where
21:00they've like spent to less than the cap.
21:02They always spend to the cap.
21:03Now it does usually work out and they've been really good at it.
21:06Like it didn't work out this past year.
21:08They had to pay the Piper though, obviously with all the, you know, the
21:11JVR, Kevin Shattenkirk, those kinds of contracts they had to bring in trading
21:15Taylor Hall, like that whole thing.
21:17But like, they certainly have the cap space to sign Swayman.
21:21And I think they're going to sign Swayman.
21:23I just think it's kind of irresponsible and it's kind of not like reading the
21:28landscape to just say it's eight years, 64, pay him his money.
21:32Like he's earned it.
21:33Like, no, he hasn't.
21:34He's going to get paid less.
21:35Well, the body of work, the body of work doesn't dictate eight times eight.
21:39No, it's, it's going to probably be like seven max or somewhere in the low
21:43sevens or high sixes, because like that's, there's nobody that's making.
21:49And who knows, maybe they've already got an agreement in principle and they're
21:52just trying to decide how much they're going to front load, you know, once the
21:56CBA coming up, you know, doesn't feel like that though, does it never does?
22:02It always feels like there's a strain until it happens until it's done.
22:07It feels like it might not happen, but that doesn't mean, but history tells me
22:11that this is nothing for Bruins fans to stress over.
22:15No, I agree.
22:16I think it's going to get done.
22:17I just, it's more explaining what the holdup is.
22:19I think the holdup is that Swayman's in a very unique position, given what he's
22:25done to date and given what he probably wants for money, where it's just not,
22:30it's not one plus one equal to, you know, it's not, it's not lining up where he's
22:35probably going to get a little bit less than he wants to get, or thinks he's
22:38earned at this point, he's never played a full regular season and
22:41playoffs as the number one goalie.
22:44Correct.
22:44Hasn't done it.
22:45And you can, you can be that, you can be that basic and be right.
22:49Well, and it's that it's the, the game's played plus being one of the best, which
22:54vis-a-vis being a Vesna trophy finalist, being in the top five of Vesna trophy
22:58voting, like that kind of thing is something else that is used in the
23:02country because the GMs vote on the Vesna.
23:05It's not like, you know, you know, I mean, I'm sure if they don't give a
23:08crap about what the PHWA does, you know?
23:11Yeah.
23:12But, well, I think it's all awards voting though.
23:15Like, I think that it, that comes into play with the negotiations too.
23:19Like, you know, showing that you were a dominant player during the season, you
23:23know, for long stretches of time where, like I said, Shesterkin, Hellebuck,
23:28Saros, all of them either won Vesna trophies, were Vesna trophy finalists,
23:33or were like multiple seasons where they were top five in the Vesna trophy voting.
23:37Jeremy Swayman this past year just popped on the Vesna trophy voting for
23:40the first time and he finished seventh.
23:43So like, he's still on the lower end of like building that resume to get paid.
23:48Like he's one of those other guys.
23:49It's pretty damn good when you consider the fact that it was a 50-50 split.
23:54Oh yeah.
23:55Well, and it makes it even more amazing that Elmar won the Vesna the year before.
23:59Because the GMs are saying that about him against the reigning Vesna trophy
24:03winner in a year that they won 50-50 and, and, and it wasn't the protected
24:0950-50 that it was the year before.
24:12And, and I know the playoffs don't count and then, but that's something else
24:16the Swayman camp can bring along and say, yeah, and, um, and he took over
24:20the net and he did it with a plum.
24:24So yes, he did.
24:25Um, had everybody chanting Swayman in the handshake lines at the end of the floor.
24:29Oh, it's incredible.
24:30I mean, it was so much about, you know, this is their goalie.
24:33This is their guy.
24:35Um, I mean, he pretty much, he pretty much, uh, owns the city about as much
24:40as is possible for a guy who lost in the second round of the playoffs.
24:44Yes.
24:45It was really something that the Bruins fans in the city
24:49of Boston loves their goaltenders.
24:50There's no question.
24:53It's passionate.
24:55They usually do love them.
24:56And I will agree that, and I will also concede this.
24:59Um, I always liked Tuca and I felt like he got a bad rap from some people.
25:10Because of things that happened at the end of those seasons when, I mean,
25:17I know it seemed to always happen at the end of those seasons though.
25:20Didn't it?
25:20Well, that's the problem.
25:21You're at the scene of the crime.
25:23You're holding the bag.
25:25People think you're guilty.
25:28And if a certain point it becomes more than coincidence.
25:30That's what I feel like.
25:31Well, if that's the law, it becomes legacy.
25:34I know what you're saying.
25:35That's it becomes like, yeah.
25:38Yeah.
25:39But I, I mean,
25:42yeah.
25:43You know, that's the other thing that you get.
25:45I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a finer goaltending performance than his.
25:49Eastern conference final against Pittsburgh in 2013.
25:52That was unbelievable.
25:54What he did against the Penguins.
25:55The whole post season in 2019, Mick, he was unbelievable too.
25:58Well, he was, I mean, the numbers kind of fell off in the, um, and you know,
26:03they didn't get the, they didn't get the biggest, big saves that Tuca normally
26:07would make in the final, but I don't feel, I feel like he was a by, that was a
26:11by-product of what happened between the nets.
26:15Yeah.
26:15And I, he wasn't great in game seven, I thought against, uh, St.
26:18Louis, which was problematic.
26:21Like the first goal by the blues was very much like the first goal on Luongo and in
26:2511, it was kind of like this puck was supposed to go to Mark Rickey and Bergeron
26:29sees it sitting there and fires it inside the post and the people like, huh, what?
26:33It's one, nothing, you know?
26:35Yep.
26:36Next thing, you know, a Marcian wraparound.
26:39Yep.
26:39Bergey on his knees and the roof caves in.
26:43Uh, so that, this, this is, um, a tweet from, uh, Larry Joe East, uh, Jeremy
26:51Swayman, hope I'm not bothering you, Joe.
26:52Can you tell us your view on the Swayman contract?
26:55I would have thought he would have been signed before the Allmark deal.
26:57Thanks.
26:57That should have been the show open.
27:00Well, that's, I mean, I'm, I'm just reading, I'm going to read Larry Joe East
27:03because we were going to, I was going to read that before we talked about
27:05Swayman, but we just flowed right into it anyway.
27:08So Larry Joe East, good question.
27:10I hope you enjoyed the answer.
27:13You got your fill of your, uh, our Swayman thoughts and like, I, in a
27:17perfect world, they would have done the Swayman contract before
27:20they traded Linas Allmark.
27:21They would have been in much better, uh, bargaining and negotiating
27:24position if they had done it before they traded Linas Allmark.
27:27And if, if they were really like, this tells me if they really wanted to be
27:31hard asses about it and hardcore about it, they probably wouldn't have traded
27:35Allmark and they would have kept them in the folds and waited until the very
27:38last minute to trade him and, you know, and sign Allmark, I mean, sign
27:43Swayman to try to keep leverage.
27:45Don Sweeney, Don Sweeney said that he would prefer to keep both goalies.
27:49And I think that that's, I think that the Zdorov acquisition speaks to this.
27:54I think that these are linked.
27:56I think that this is, I think I'm, I felt pretty off guard when the Zdorov signing,
28:02I know there was some rumbles, but I wasn't really taking him too seriously
28:06because A, there are always rumbles in the sky, but the rain
28:09isn't necessarily going to fall.
28:11But when you see that Mason Lowry had such a great playoff, that kind of
28:17says, I'm not looking back and it looked like, it just screamed to me that, you
28:22know, the Bruins have a guy here that they're probably going to play
28:26with McAvoy next season.
28:28Well, I suppose that's still possible if they want to go with a hyper balanced,
28:32you know, where nobody gets too overly taxed kind of a situation that could happen.
28:36But let's face it.
28:39This is a pairing.
28:40This pairing is geared toward Charlie McAvoy.
28:43Why?
28:44Because they want to make sure that they have two pairings that they feel really
28:47good about defensively in the new goaltending era.
28:52Yeah.
28:53Yes.
28:53I think that's definitely part of it.
28:55And I think it's also because they want, they want McAvoy to feel like he has to
29:00do less, you know, they want the pounding to stop on him physically.
29:03They don't want him to stop wearing down in the postseason because he
29:06has to do so many things.
29:07They probably want him to focus a little bit more on being an offensive factor
29:10and less having to be the guy that's always throwing the tone setting hit or
29:15the, you know, momentum shifting hit.
29:18It doesn't have to be Scott Stevens and Scott Niedermeyer.
29:21Just focus, just kind of more focused on the Niedermeyer end of it.
29:24If there's a big hit there, sure, make it.
29:26But he, but it seems like there were certain games where the opponents could
29:30goad him into being preoccupied with the next hit that he's going to take or make.
29:35Yeah.
29:35He could chase things instead of like just playing his game.
29:38Yeah.
29:38Right.
29:39And trying to do, you know, there's too much trying to do too much.
29:41Every, a lot of great players.
29:43I remember Ray Bork doing the 91-92 season.
29:45He had played a ton of hockey as the Bruins had gone to Stanley Cup finals, to
29:49other conference finals, he had played a boatload of hockey and he was playing
29:53with the minutes he was playing.
29:55And then in 91-92, they're going through a labor war and the Bruins
30:00lineup is changing quite a bit.
30:02And, you know, everybody who was like the player rep was getting gassed, you know,
30:05and it was like, the team was getting weaker and weaker, you know, and Gary
30:08Gally's gone and, you know, and, and, and so they're asking more of Bork and his
30:14situation and he's going through that season and it's going through a lot of
30:18players, a ton of players played for them that year.
30:21And Ray Bork tried to do too much that year.
30:24And it wasn't until it really kind of bottomed out and a couple of bad losses
30:30against, one of them was against the Red Wings for sure, at the Garden.
30:33And, you know, they all kind of like had to say, okay, let's all take
30:38a breath here and settle down.
30:40And, and then obviously they got, we became a much better team with the
30:44injection of late season, Olympic players and Glenn Murray simultaneously.
30:52That's right in my wheelhouse of, of being a Bruins fan was those years when
30:56they started bringing in the college kids for the playoff runs and the late season
31:00stuff.
31:01I remember those like Joe Juno from team Canada.
31:05Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Teddy Donato and Stevie, that's right.
31:11Tynes and Donato.
31:12They were like salt and pepper.
31:14They came, they came together on that, on the table and Glenn Murray was brought
31:17up from junior at the same time, even though he was a very primitive version
31:22of himself, he didn't have his NHL stride yet, but he could sure shoot the puck.
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33:12So, all right, here's another tweet.
33:14I'm still fascinating to me that Fabian Lysel rated as the number two prospect
33:18and has been at points number one.
33:20Is he still yet to play an NHL game for the Bruins?
33:22Understand the injuries, but any insight on where the team views him
33:25currently from Flobo Dan, and we talked a little bit with Mark Diver about
33:31the last podcast that he was on.
33:33And he said, you know, I think he's going to be a great player.
33:35Yeah, he's going to be great.
33:36So, you know, I talk a little bit with Mark Diver about the last podcast
33:41about Lysel about several providence players, Mark McLaughlin, there
33:44was a question about him as well.
33:48And I mean, I think the consensus here is that he's going to get looks this year.
33:53He's going to get looks with Charlie Coyle and Brad Marsh and he's going to
33:57be part of that sort of by committee carousel of right wings that they're
34:01probably going to try in the top six.
34:02training camp. Inviter to a lot of Dan Heinen for that spot as
34:07well guys that don't have jobs that they can bring into camp
34:10and maybe somebody flashes and earns a job that way as well,
34:14but like you know, Max Jones will get looks there. Trent
34:17Frederick will get looks there. Morgan Geeky will get looks
34:20there. There's a bunch of players that they're going to
34:22try out himself as the plumber centering the second line that
34:26that to me, you know in the postseason for the heavy hockey
34:31that to me tells me that he's going to be getting definitely
34:35getting some of those looks, but Lysel if he earns if he has
34:40a good camp, he'll definitely get his shot at that because he
34:46made a big a big a big leap last season this past season
34:52and and and was you know second or third and Pete Bruins
34:55scoring most of the year. He took that horrible hit still
34:59very young for AHL standards. Mick at 2120 years old,
35:03whatever he is like he's still a very young player for that
35:05league and I think they like the fact that he's got a little
35:08bit of confrontational yap in his game. He enjoys getting
35:13into it with opponents. He's got a very fiery personality, so
35:17he's fun and I think that you know that that kind of can
35:22translate into competitive style. so II look forward to
35:28seeing if his game you know at this stage has any ability to
35:33translate to the NHL. I tend to think that you know that he's
35:38got really incredible talent, but the Bruins have a thing now
35:44and I felt this way about the draft that you can go one of
35:48two ways when you pick late you can say okay, then I'm going to
35:54a third liner. I'm going to go for a number four defenseman.
35:59I'm going to go for a guy that I that I see. Yeah that I see a
36:02guy right perfect example. We see him as like a they drafted
36:06him thinking someday he'll be a third line center. They want a
36:09guy who could be who could exude the properties that that
36:13kind of player ideally has and brings to the team chemistry.
36:18What the Bruins have done instead in this particular
36:21draft starting with Dean Letourneau is get try to
36:27identify diamonds in the rough and and by doing that, they're
36:33getting people who did not play in the showcase level
36:38appropriate for their age. So in the case of Letourneau, they
36:43got a guy here who who who wanted to play in the OHL his
36:48whole life got drafted too far down to think he had a
36:51realistic chance of making a team and decided instead to go
36:56the college route and it was going to be Northeastern. It
36:59winds up BC. You know with Will Smith turning pro, you know
37:04they have a slot so he's going to go there and we'll see how he
37:09does and at the same time, these other guys that you've
37:14seen in this draft are from like these tier two sort of
37:20junior leagues. I think there was one that was similar to the
37:24Ivan when they 20 years ago when they got Ivan Hummel
37:28terrific talent, but they got him from like the second level.
37:31He wasn't major junior. He was playing the one notch down, but
37:35they felt like this kid's got it and and and he did. He just
37:39didn't. I think he liked the pregame warm ups in the crowd
37:42interaction too much and it didn't really didn't really
37:47understand what the job required and and he'd never
37:53really fully developed into what I think he could have been,
37:55which is a really terrific NHL player and and so, but I think
38:00the Bruins are trying to identify guys like that that
38:02they think that can punch above the weight of where central
38:06scouting would have had because of where they are hiding
38:10because of family circumstances, personal
38:12circumstances, whatever wrong along the way, whatever didn't
38:15have the late bloomers, whatever it's a very it's a
38:18risky kind of a way cuz you could wind up striking out all
38:22the way across the board, but if you hit you hit bigger and
38:26that's what this draft legacy will be. Yeah. Yeah. For sure
38:31that pick the pick no doubt will be that I think it's
38:36easier to take a risk on a player like that when he's 6
38:40foot seven and he's got great offensive skills. You know that
38:43there are some things about him that I think you looked at and
38:46said, okay, we can we can take a risk on this kid because the
38:49physical tools are are impressive and he's going to a
38:52great program in Boston College. We're talking about a
38:54player that you know it is it's got legit credentials even
38:58though he was playing in a in a not quite as high level as
39:01competition as most of these other kids. so he's going to
39:04need more. It's going to need more development. It's going to
39:07translate to more development. You can see that even though
39:09he's saying one or two years in BC and I'll be ready to make
39:12Boston. I'm like dream on buddy. Yeah. No no that's what
39:16you when I saw him say that at the draft, I was like no way
39:19cringe worthy. That was even before seeing him at
39:21development camp. It was just further cemented when I watched
39:24him at development camp and he was like physically not able to
39:28you know handle the strong guys that were like 5 years old or
39:326 years older than him and was like you know was giving up on
39:38drills too. You know it was like before the whistle would
39:42blow just like giving up on a drill and skating away and the
39:44other kid, you know finishes off the drill finishes off the
39:47play and I was looking like what why did he what was going
39:50on there like you can't do that at the professional level like
39:53you know that's not even something I want to see on my
39:55peewee team. Where's Johnny? Where's Johnny Whitesides when
39:57you need him? Seriously. Welcome to the prospects camp.
40:03You know and I don't care if you were drafted one or if you
40:06were drafted 172, but that's kind of I think the knock on
40:11him a little bit is that there's a little bit of a lack
40:14of compete at times where he disappears at times in games
40:18and some of that can be your six foot seven. You're not the
40:21fastest guy in the world like you know the optics. The
40:24optics is going to be less kind in a situation like that. Yeah
40:27and everybody's always going to be watching you because you're
40:29that big and it's going to seem like at times you're not sort of
40:32moving or not right, you know giving full effort or whatever
40:35like and it's going to be tough, but like there you could
40:39see in development camp. There were times where he didn't seem
40:43as competitive in some of the shifts and some of the drills
40:46as you kind of need to be and some of that is being 18 years
40:48old. Yeah, that's a learning curve as well. It is of course,
40:52but like you also have to wonder how much of that is his
40:55DNA as a hockey player and how much of that is going to
40:57continue. We'll find out now because he's going to be on the
41:00spotlight here. You know no totally, but like that's kind of
41:04like what you come away from that like short viewing of I
41:07saw some things. I really like he can shoot the puck great
41:10like people were telling me he's not tage Thompson and
41:13that's not a great comparable because it doesn't shoot the
41:15puck the same way. I thought him shooting the puck was one of
41:18the best things he did the entire week when he was at
41:20development camp. I thought his ability to pick pucks up and
41:23really rocket them quickly like the hands going from
41:26collecting the puck to shooting it his actual shot his ability
41:29to create shots around the net like all that stuff. I thought
41:32it was really really good and he had a really powerful like
41:35cannon shot like that stuff is going to be a weapon for him.
41:38It seems like the classic prospect that yeah, it's
41:41classic prospect that that long after he's forgotten because
41:44he'll no longer be the shine. He'll be exceeded by shiny or
41:46newer toys and get forgotten about, but he's still
41:49developing those years and then he's going to emerge later.
41:52That's the outcome. The Bruins are hoping for a little like
41:54they're getting them. They're getting Justin Braz zone now,
41:57you know what people thinking about him in Toronto 2 years
42:00ago. I don't know right like he's the kind of guy that you
42:04to your point like 21 years old. He might all of a sudden
42:06have a massive year at BC and like really be everybody's
42:09radar and like oh, okay. This is this is what they pick but
42:13but also like you were mentioning. I think it's going
42:16to be like more like three years at Boston College based
42:18on what I saw at development camp. I think this coming year
42:22is probably going to be like growing pains, not a ton of
42:24offensive production, not playing high in the lineup like
42:28maybe he doesn't play every single game like I think it's
42:30going to be one of those years for him as he transitions into
42:33like big time division one college hockey and hockey East
42:36and he gets better progressively as it's going
42:39along, but I think if you have like mile high sky high
42:42expectations for him going into Boston College based on what I
42:44saw at Dev camp. I think it's going to take him a little it
42:46might be very Joe Thornton ish. You know as far as like when he
42:50came out to the the NHL at age 18. There was really no
42:53recourse sending him back was not an option and yeah legally
42:57it was but rules wise they could have but it was been a
43:01terrible idea better to just try to protect him and the
43:05perfect coach to do it. Sometimes people say well it
43:08took Keenan to bring out the best in Joe Thornton. He was
43:11the right guy at the right time, but he would have been a
43:13disaster at the at the beginning. Pat Burns was the
43:17right guy at that time.
43:21Most definitely, but like getting back to what we were
43:25like initially, we're talking about Lysel before we went
43:29down to the Dean Latorno rabbit hole. Lysel is a guy that I
43:34think is going to get looks this year. I think it's a big
43:37year for him. You know he's going to get legit NHL playing
43:41time, but it's it's on him like he's going to be the guy that
43:44comes into training camp ready to go ready to impress ready to
43:48show that he's he wants to do it. He's going to be the guy
43:51that's going to prove it to guys like Brad Marcian that
43:54he's worthy of skating on the same line as him and he's
43:57worthy of that top six spot that they're probably going to
44:00like give him sometimes like he's going to have to prove to
44:03those players. Charlie Coyle and Brad Marcian that he can
44:06play with them and that he should be playing with them and
44:08that's going to be a big part of it too. If he's going to
44:11Stay there is Marcian going to Jim Montgomery and saying,
44:15hey, I like this kid keep them playing with us like that's
44:17what happens in these situations like when it's a
44:19veteran player and it's two veteran players, you know the
44:22coach is going to them and saying, hey, who do you guys
44:24really want to play with just as much as it's Jim Montgomery
44:27evaluating and say this is the guy that should play with them
44:29like it's going to be a back and forth kind of decision and
44:33there's going to be a lot of collaboration between all
44:36parties involved. So like that's something that a guy like
44:39Fabian Lysel needs to understand is like he needs to
44:41do the right things because the veterans are going to be
44:43watching and and they're ultimately going to have a lot
44:46of say into what he does and where he plays and and how long
44:49he gets an audition there. you know because we've seen and I
44:52have mentioned this a few times before poor Brett Conley when
44:56he came in and tried to play with Patrice Bergeron and Brad
44:59Marcian like it was an absolute disaster and like you could
45:01tell by the end of the time he was playing with them. They
45:04were kind of like you gotta find somebody else. This isn't
45:08working. It just was not gelling even though the you
45:10know Peter and the Bruins really wanted it to work. It
45:13just wasn't happening. No and I think that a guy like Conley
45:18because of his draft pedigree, he was going to in his size. He
45:21was going to get a lot of chances and he was better
45:24probably with the Capitals afterwards that he was with the
45:26Bruins when they had him, but more of like a third line kind
45:30of role. Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of like it's it's kind of
45:33like the expectations will lower that it was more cup half
45:36full and you know, I mean, I just think there's a lot of
45:40pressure there when you're making a cap move and and
45:44moving a player as popular as Johnny Boy Chuck and and and
45:48this is what you're getting back. you know ultimately this
45:51is this is what that was all about and and you're saying
45:55okay. Well, if this guy pans out, well, is he panning out?
45:57No, he didn't pan out. So it was that that was a that was a
46:01tough one. It was very probably very causative to them missing
46:04the playoffs. so you know and having the kind of season where
46:08missing the playoffs became part of became a eleventh hour
46:12just you know fate. So yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to
46:19seeing what he's got, but I also I think that on his side,
46:23it's good for him because every good thing he does is going to
46:26translate. It's going to become it's going to be money in the
46:28bank for him to get more chances because that's the way
46:32they want the traffic to go. There's nothing more the
46:34Bruins would like than to see that draft pick pan out and
46:39absolutely and so I mean we saw it this past year with with
46:44Johnny Beecher and Mason Lowry. Yeah. And those kind of guys
46:49grasping hold of jobs like they want those kids and and and
46:53Matt they want those kids to seize the job and seize the
46:57opportunity and say you know I'm so good that you have to
47:00pass up the veteran that you put tried to put in my place
47:02and you know you're going to give me that job because I'm
47:04going to earn it like they want that they totally want. Yeah.
47:07that's that's that's the outcome they want and even if
47:10you don't get it right away in the season, you know you know
47:14Brazos comes up later. you know there's there's just it's
47:18things that that happen that were Providence related that
47:21didn't happen right away and and it turned out to be a good
47:26thing for them. you know and then we never talk about
47:28Merkuloff because. You know there's four was it four games
47:35let's have four four regrettable games. He played
47:38four hand fourth line and he got sent back and it was just
47:41really just like kind of like a why did you bother kind of a
47:44thing and yeah and so you know who knows his one shining
47:49moment was hitting a post right so so maybe maybe that
47:53situation isn't the last time we're going to see hear about
47:55that. I you know of course so so that's Merkuloff is
47:59definitely in that mix too. There's no doubt about it like
48:02he's going to get looks too. I think there's a handful at
48:06least and perhaps more if they bring in a veteran camp try
48:10harder to yeah that second line right wing spot has got a lot
48:14of interest right now and then you know that the the
48:18chemistry and how which where when you might agree on which
48:22eight guys are going to get the bottom six spots, but you
48:25might not see a fruition of the form of it until we've had
48:32some time. so and the defense is you know and the
48:36goaltending is pretty much already decided pending
48:40performance. Yeah, you know Corpus. You know Bob Best is
48:44one of the great goalie whispers of our era and and
48:48Corpus is probably going to be a great backup for Simon so
48:52yep no and I yeah I that stuff is established and I still
48:56think too what we're probably going to see is that the trade
48:59deadline they're going to bring in some kind of winger to fill
49:02that spot when it when it comes down, you know to it if
49:07they're like in a position, it looks like they're going to be
49:09you know Stanley Cup contenders, which everybody
49:11thinks they're going to be based on last year and based on
49:14the ads that they have. I think they that's their number one
49:17target at the deadline barring injuries is or some crazy you
49:21know performance going sideways that we don't see is a top six
49:24winger that can put the puck in the net. Joe Murray had me on
49:27the other night at the on the sports hub and he said that the
49:30athletic came out with a thing about how everybody gave
49:32everybody a great or or stack the teams in order of who did
49:35better in the in the summer and they have the Bruins at 26. Of
49:41course, they don't have something the athletic does not
49:43like the Bruins. There is something going on there
49:45because like it was stupid that they they ranked their draft
49:49and development pipeline as thirtieth and then all and then
49:52Mason Lowry, Johnny Beecher, Matt Patra all became
49:55contributing members on that team last year. Brezo other
49:58players came up like it like it showed you how like and you
50:03can't even count why they're doing that. Yeah. Yeah. The
50:07rankings are not even worth the words that they're like put on
50:09and like it's not worth the time to read the articles because
50:12like these draft gurus don't or prospect gurus. They don't
50:16really know like they they it's like a group think where
50:19they're all basically saying the same things about the same
50:21players where like anybody that would have watched Mason Lowry
50:25play would have said that kid's gonna be an NHL defenseman like
50:27he's good. Yeah. I think part of the problem too is that is
50:32that they tend to think and you know aggregate terms you lose
50:36the you lose this many goals you lose this guy you lose this
50:39stat you lose that you say then where are you gonna get this?
50:43This isn't baseball. It isn't even basketball and you know
50:46you you put a guy who is as dominant a player three zones
50:52whichever team has the puck no matter where it is on the ice.
50:55Elias Lindholm is gonna be one of the three best players on
50:57the ice. So that's 20 minutes a game from Charlie Coyle and you
51:02now go to forty where you have more Bergeron presence back on
51:08your team and this isn't even the foundation for your cup
51:11contention anymore. It's your defense which I thought they
51:14were gonna go into with that big three plus low ride and
51:17instead of going in with a big four and they're getting off at
51:20the same stage of his career and age that Shara was when they
51:24got him. So is he of course not and he doesn't wanna be called
51:27big Z because you know out of respect and and and god bless
51:32him for that. He's already endearing himself to me. So but
51:37if the Bruins are right about Zdorov and about him being less
51:42radco and being more measured and mature in his approach,
51:48then they've put their team in such a better Hampus Lindholm's
51:53job just got so much easier. He's gonna be so much better
51:56this year not having to face the guys that he had to face
51:59because Zdorov's gonna face them and this is the this is
52:02the where the where the you know, you know, put it on
52:08things are gonna fall down here and you know, it's gonna be
52:10there's gonna be succession and and there's gonna be a lot of
52:14support and help and more guys are gonna score more goals
52:16because they're gonna be a better hockey team is playing
52:18more of the game in the opponent's end as a result of
52:21the Lindholm acquisition. This is huge. See, I'm I am of the
52:26opinion that it's okay if you still get a little radco going
52:29on and I think the Bruins need that. So I'm fine if he still
52:31has a little bit of radco in his game but I think people are
52:35sleeping on how important the Zdorov signing is and how much
52:38of an impact it's gonna have. I think it's gonna have a very
52:40big impact on this team, especially come playoff time
52:44when you need somebody like that that is just an absolute
52:47enforcer in the D zone among your defenseman and it just
52:51like puts fear into the other team going around the net and
52:54like when they're carrying the puck into the offensive zone.
52:57I'm I'm so I was so taken aback by the Zdorov signing that it
53:02they first thought was I wonder if they're reevaluating their
53:06commitment to Hampus Lindholm and I still don't think they
53:10are and then maybe at the deadline if low rise playing
53:13really well that they would reconsider this whole thing and
53:16and maybe cash in for a high end forward the score. I only I say
53:21no only because if you look at Zdorov, he's never really
53:24averaged even 20 minutes a game in his career. He's never
53:27been a true like really sort of like super workhorse all
53:30situation top four defenseman and I just don't and and Lindholm
53:35is that and has always been that and I just think they're
53:37stockpiling D and and and making themselves bigger like
53:40the smallest D now on that D core. Mick is Charlie McAvoy
53:45at six foot one 209 pounds. That's crazy when you think
53:48about it that everybody else is bigger than that's right, but
53:51that's how you win in the playoffs and that's what you
53:53need to win if they can if they can skate and this group
53:56can skate. Well. Yeah, of course Mick. Thanks for joining
54:00us my friend. Let's do this again next week. Great. Thanks
54:03Joe. Alright everybody. Thanks for listening. We'll see you at
54:06the ring.