Genesis to Lucifer's Revelation
Featuring Cardinals Thomas Cavin & Clark Isaac, revealing Cardinal Thomas' personal testimony, teachings about the name of Lucifer and hidden messages within the music of the rock-band Genesis.
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00:00Brother Thomas, Kevin, thanks for joining us again.
00:27Good morning, Clive.
00:29We were expecting you tomorrow, but you wanted to come on today, so.
00:34That's correct.
00:35Well, you had a testimony that you were going to share with us, your personal
00:39testimony.
00:40Yes.
00:40This has a lot to do with the name Lucifer,
00:44and which is the sacred name of Christ.
00:48Just to get people aware that this isn't the name of the devil.
00:52It's a sacred name of Christ.
00:53Yeah, we'll go into that a little bit further down the line.
00:56And there was there was something about the band of Genesis, the rock band.
01:01Yeah, that's how I found out.
01:04A few certain things.
01:06But I'll explain it as I go into it.
01:07OK, yeah. If you want to start from the beginning, go ahead.
01:09Yeah. Well, I'm going to give you some background on myself first.
01:14Growing up, like, I come from a place in Scotland called Dundee.
01:21I was brought up a Roman Catholic.
01:25From an early age, right through the school until the age of 16.
01:31Now, as a kid, it's easier
01:36when you're at school to be taught.
01:38You take things in more when you're a kid.
01:43So I knew a lot about scriptures from an early age,
01:48being brought up Roman Catholic and in their churches, you know.
01:50Now, in saying that, I got to a certain age, I think it was about 12,
01:56when I went in and say to my mother, I mean,
02:00the place that I actually come from in Dundee,
02:03it was called Little Tipperary because it was full of Irish, right?
02:08Irish Catholics.
02:10And they were very, very strict.
02:13I mean, even the schools at that time, you know.
02:15I'm sure if I can remember right,
02:17some of the nuns even had beards that were that hard, you know.
02:23Nuns with beards? Yes, yes.
02:25Facial hair? Yeah.
02:27All right. But that's how hard they were.
02:29Yeah, they sound pretty rough.
02:30And they were Irish as well.
02:32So you could just imagine, you know.
02:34Bearded Irish nuns.
02:35As soon as you put a step out of line, you got your, your knuckles are up, you can't.
02:40It was kind of like that.
02:42But anyway, growing up in the Catholic faith,
02:44I was pretty well versed in scriptures and that.
02:47And obviously, when this all happened to me,
02:50this kind of revelation, like,
02:52it was in 2011, just at the tail end of it.
02:55I mean, I was staying with my girlfriend in Dundee.
02:58And I was, you know.
03:00I mean, I was, you know.
03:02I mean, I was, you know.
03:04I mean, I was, you know.
03:06I mean, I was, you know.
03:08I was staying with my girlfriend in Dundee.
03:11And what happened this night,
03:14we went to bed just as normal.
03:17But I woke up the next morning.
03:22And I was lying on the bottom of the bed.
03:25And my girlfriend woke me up and says,
03:29what are you doing, Len, at the bottom of the bed?
03:33Like down on the floor beneath the bed?
03:35No, just right at the bottom.
03:36Right along the bottom of the bed.
03:38Oh, like the foot of the bed?
03:40Yeah.
03:41Okay.
03:42So I said to my girlfriend,
03:46there was somebody here last night.
03:50And I was told certain things from this person.
03:55Now, I didn't bother about, you know,
03:58mobile phones or anything at that time.
04:02So I was told from this person that night,
04:07that I'd been talking to, obviously,
04:10to go out and buy a phone.
04:16And I had to look for aliens on the internet.
04:24So curiosity killed the cat kind of thing.
04:30So the next day I went out, went to a mobile shop,
04:34and took on a mobile from them, you know,
04:38one that you paid every month.
04:41So it had internet and that on it.
04:44And the very first video that I come across
04:49was the Lord's descent video over Jerusalem in 2011.
04:57This is that strange.
04:59But anyway, I played that video.
05:03And it just fell at the line with the scriptures
05:05that I already knew.
05:10That was Acts 111, Matthew 24, 27, and 28.
05:17This is getting beyond scary now.
05:22Yeah, for those of you who are not aware,
05:23Acts 111 and Matthew 24, 27, and 28,
05:26these are the most specific scriptures in the New Testament
05:31prophesying exactly how the Messiah will return.
05:37So moving on.
05:40I went like that and I says to myself,
05:43I better look up on the internet, you know,
05:46and I found the congregation.
05:51So it was right at the tail end of 2011
05:54that I joined the International Congregation of Lord Rael.
06:00Obviously, you want to follow the true Christ, right?
06:06Yeah, and you joined not knowing for sure
06:08or you had already decided that this was definitely true?
06:10No, I had already decided.
06:11As soon as I seen that video, I knew straight away, you know.
06:16And I seen his name, right?
06:20The name Rael?
06:22Yeah, and you know how he's, again, that's Rael as well.
06:28Yeah, two different spellings and pronunciations.
06:31But yeah, Rael and Rael.
06:34And Rael is R-A-E-L.
06:37Yeah.
06:38And not to be confused with Rael of the Raelians,
06:42even though he spells it.
06:43No, no, but Rael itself is a more formal name for him, right?
06:48Yeah.
06:49So as soon as I seen that, that fell into line.
06:53If we could just maybe let the people know this teaching of Lucifer
06:58so that they understand.
07:00Because I am so certain that it was actually Lucifer
07:05that come to me that evening and that I was talking with.
07:10Yeah, I'm going to bring this image up on the screen here.
07:13And I'll go ahead and read what's underneath it for the people.
07:15This is from the Raelite Teachings Group on Facebook.
07:18The meaning of Lucifer is light bearer, morning star, or Venus.
07:24Christ, from the book of Revelations, chapter 22, verse 16,
07:27declares to be the bright morning star.
07:30And this is the reference here.
07:32I, Yeshua, have sent my angel to testify these things among you
07:36before the assemblies.
07:37I am the living God, the root and the offspring of David
07:41and his champion, excuse me, and his companion, sorry,
07:45and the bright morning star.
07:49So, yeah, that's certainly important to note
07:53that he calls himself the bright morning star.
07:56And we have additional teachings on this topic.
08:00I'll read that, if you like.
08:04Yeah, go ahead.
08:08You have to take it down.
08:12This right here?
08:15Well, this right here already leaves off from what was said in the image.
08:19Modern Christians, anyway, have been deceived into believing
08:23that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.
08:27Yet the two could be more different.
08:31The original Bible never calls Satan by the name Lucifer,
08:34nor is there any authoritative scripture that does.
08:38It's something that modern Christians made up.
08:42Lucifer is the original Latin name for Venus,
08:46which we know as the bright morning star.
08:50Any assumption that he and Satan are the same being
08:54is just that assumption.
08:57If you trace back to the Sumerian origins of scripture,
09:01you find that both angels and Elohim
09:05regularly descended to earth's surface.
09:09Lucifer is not a Biblical Hebrew word or name.
09:13A translation of the original Hebrew text
09:17by Roman translation changes the name
09:21in Isaiah 14.12. It does not say Lucifer,
09:25but the name Hallel,
09:29which translates to praise or shine
09:33and is addressed to the king as a parable.
09:37Now, in Isaiah,
09:41he says that thou shalt take
09:45up the parable against the king of Babylon and say,
09:49How hath thou oppressed her come?
09:53ceased.
09:57ceased.
10:01ceased.
10:05ceased.
10:09ceased.
10:13ceased.
10:17ceased.
10:21ceased.
10:25ceased.
10:29ceased.
10:33ceased.
10:37ceased.
10:41ceased.
10:45ceased.
10:49ceased.
10:53above how Christ declared himself the Morning Star, Lucifer, and this is from Revelation
10:5822, verse 16.
11:00And then it reads on, How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations.
11:06Now we all know the history of Christianity's effect on the pagan nations, and we also know
11:13how Christ himself was cut down as he was crucified, he died.
11:19Reading on to verse 13, For you have said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven.
11:24Well, the truth of the matter is, Christ did ascend to heaven.
11:30You said, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.
11:35Well, the stars are another term for angels, and Christ's throne is above the angels.
11:43You also said, I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides
11:49of the north.
11:50Well, we all know of Christ's sermon on the mount, which fulfills that verse.
11:56Verse 14, I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, and I will be like the Most
12:00High.
12:01Well, the Bible does clearly describe Christ's ascension and the likeness to his father.
12:06Verse 15, Yet you should be brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the pit.
12:11Well, Christ was killed, and he descended to hell before the resurrection.
12:18Verse 16, Those who see you will gaze at you and consider you, saying, Is this the
12:25man who made the earth tremble, who shook the kingdoms, who made the world as a wilderness
12:31and destroyed its cities?
12:33Well, read what the Lord did to the Egyptians leading up to the Exodus, and what he does
12:37to nations on his return from within the book of Revelations.
12:43Verse 19, But you are cast out of your grave like an abominable branch, like the garment
13:10of those who are slain, thrust with a sword, who go down to the stones of the pit, like
13:15a corpse trodden underfoot.
13:18Christ was cast out from the grave, obviously, Satan was not, he was stabbed, and the prediction
13:27from Zechariah 6, verse 12, specifically refers to Christ as the branch.
13:35Verse 20, You will not be joined with them in burial, because you have destroyed your
13:40land and slain your people and killed your people.
13:43Well, the Jews rejected Christ, and the effect he had against them, he obviously was not
13:50buried with them.
13:52Mark, chapter 15, starting at verse 27, And they crucified two robbers with him, one at
14:00his right, one at his left.
14:03And scripture was fulfilled that says, He was numbered with wicked men.
14:08But those who were passing by were blaspheming against him, were shaking their heads, and
14:14they were saying, O destroyer of the temple, and the one who builds it in three days, save
14:21yourself and come down from the cross.
14:23And likewise the chief priests were joking one with another, and the scribes, and they
14:28were saying, He saved others, he cannot save himself.
14:33Let the Messiah, the King of Israel, descend now from the cross, that we may see and we
14:37will believe him.
14:40And those also who were crucified with him were reviling him.
14:48Now you see that Isaiah 14 doesn't describe Satan at all, but perfectly describes the
14:54Christ.
14:56The Easter proclamation in Latin, Proconium?
15:02Well as I said, being brought up Roman Catholic, I can remember, right, even when Sunday Mass
15:09was actually said in Latin.
15:10Yeah, that old Latin prayer that they say.
15:16That's before they light the Paschal candle.
15:18Yeah, I mean that was the early 60s, I'm going back to 64.
15:23That's when I started the school, in 1964, as soon as I started a Roman Catholic school,
15:31you were indoctrinated straight into the Catholic way, you know.
15:37So in Latin, they're chanting Flamas, Eius, Lucifer, Martitinus, and so forth.
15:51And we've actually seen that, if you go on YouTube, you could still actually bring up
15:56some of these YouTube videos, all the Mass in Latin, and you will hear that for yourself.
16:02Right, so that Latin song, or chant, that they're singing, actually translates to,
16:09May his flame be found still burning by the morning star, the one morning star who never
16:15sets, Christ your son, who coming back from death's domain, has shed his peaceful light
16:20on humanity, and lives and reigns forever and ever.
16:25Now that morning star that is translated is actually coming from Lucifer.
16:29To me, that was the real teachings, they were actually given real teachings, again, some
16:34of them at that time, but that was a very, very early age, and then started changing
16:38that, and hiding a lot of the scriptures, you know.
16:44So this bright candle of truth, you know, for a lot of people it could be blinding.
16:49I remember going into my mother, and her being a Stone's Catholic, and I said, look, I was
16:57at an older age, but I remember telling her, I says, no, no, I says, look, they've given
17:03him the name Jesus, again, and they've actually been hiding his name Yeshua, which is his
17:09true name.
17:10Even at that time I was telling her this, but she was always just full of excuses, saying
17:18things like, well, the Pope was the head of the church, he could change what he likes,
17:22and I says, no, he can't, not in scripture, because he tells you in scripture, not to
17:26change it, right.
17:27So there was a lot of things that I didn't like, and I says to my mother, I says, that's
17:33me, I'm not going back to a Catholic church, I'd rather find something that's proper, like,
17:38you know.
17:39So you were in that church when they were starting to change things?
17:43Yeah.
17:44And that was one of the teachings they changed?
17:46Yeah, well, they changed a few, yeah, because I can remember getting taught at an early
17:53age that scriptures like telling you that they had kind of gave him a new name, Jesus,
18:04right, that his name, and that's when he was crucified, right, and it was actually the
18:10Romans that done it, it tells you in scripture, as I said, right, they kind of purposely changed
18:17that name, so that it would be scrubbed from all records, and they used to teach that scripture,
18:24but you go to a Catholic school now, you'll never hear of that scripture, right, and that's
18:32the way that they were doing it, when I was at the school, they were just kind of hiding
18:38these important scriptures.
18:40And it seems like it's kind of going along with the same mainstream Christian narrative.
18:44Yeah, so that's what I say to my mother, I say, no, I'm not going back to the Catholic
18:49church, because there are these contradictions and everything, you know, I say, no, no.
18:54How old were you when you decided that?
18:56Yeah.
18:57How old were you when you decided that?
18:59Twelve.
19:00Twelve years old.
19:01I've got a thick ear in that, you know, and my mum can't.
19:05But you stood your ground.
19:07Oh, yeah.
19:08Stood for the truth.
19:09Yeah.
19:10Such an early age, too.
19:11Yeah.
19:12That's really impressive.
19:13And I was around about that time that I actually found my music.
19:19Well, I mean, I was always into music, but I found my band Genesis.
19:22Your music.
19:23I really fell into it, you know.
19:24It's yours.
19:25Yeah.
19:26It belongs to you.
19:27Yeah.
19:28I know that's how you feel, too.
19:29That's me.
19:30Yeah.
19:31I'm going to bring this up for people to see.
19:33Yeah.
19:34Here's some important context here.
19:35This is from an album cover for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
19:42Yeah.
19:43And that's exactly where I found, excuse me, The Lord's Name,
19:50written within their lyrics and their songs in that, you know.
19:54But a lot of their music actually, it's all biblical as well.
20:03So I was really into that, you know.
20:06And I found a lot of truth in that, actually, in their writings, you know,
20:11and their song lyrics.
20:14And so we see here the name of the Messiah written on the subway wall.
20:18Yeah, put two and two together in that, you know.
20:20It was easy because, as you see, his name's written on the wall, right?
20:24Yeah, right there.
20:25Yeah.
20:26Very clearly right above The Lamb.
20:30And looking at The Lord's video, his arrival video,
20:35and his name's Rael, it was easy.
20:41The writing was on the wall, as they say.
20:43Is this a Chicago subway?
20:46I'm sure it is, yeah.
20:48That's not anything for the UK, I don't think.
20:51No, yeah.
20:52I've never seen the subway.
20:54I've been in quite a few New York subways.
20:56It didn't look like this, so that's why I asked.
21:00It'd be interesting if it was.
21:02It says Broadway here.
21:03Broadway in downtown.
21:06Yeah?
21:09Well, I suppose it would be, I mean, Broadway's in New York, isn't it?
21:12Well, I think every major city has a Broadway, right?
21:15Does it?
21:16Well, I'm not sure.
21:17Yeah.
21:18I know there was one in a few of the cities where I'm from.
21:22They do have one on their London Underground as well, Broadway.
21:26There's a lot of symbolism here.
21:28I wish we could see this more clearly.
21:31Might even just have to buy the album just to take a closer look.
21:35The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, that track itself,
21:38it's just over four minutes long, like.
21:41But that's the one that actually names him in person and that, you know.
21:46If you want to put up that teaching as well.
21:48Yeah.
21:49It was written actually by the prime cleric, Richard Ruff.
21:54You want me to go ahead and read that?
21:56Yeah, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
21:58Oh, you got it.
21:59Is a song about an imperial kid named Rial.
22:02Rial's hometown was Chicago,
22:05the place where Genesis started the first tour of the album
22:09when Lord Rial was just a kid.
22:12The rock band Genesis was formed in the year 1967,
22:17the same year that Lord Rial's earthly body was conceived.
22:22Peter Gabriel was insistent on writing the story
22:28and all of the lyrics himself for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway,
22:32which was unusual for the band.
22:35Song tells of a story of Rial, a poor brave boy from the Bronx,
22:40as The Lamb.
22:42Rial goes on an adventure in New York City.
22:46Peter Gabriel explained that the album was intended to be
22:51an intense story of a young rebellious hero in New York
22:56who would face challenges with family, authority, sex, love,
23:01and self-sacrifice to learn a little more about himself.
23:06I wanted to mix his dreams with his reality
23:11in a kind of urban rebel pilgrim's progress.
23:16Peter Gabriel spent a long time thinking of the name Rial...
23:23Inspired by Rial.
23:25Inspired by the sun god Rial, obviously.
23:27Yeah. That's very interesting.
23:30I got to tell you, and I'm not sure if...
23:34Well, of course, this is like a representation of the truth there
23:38in that there's the name, of course,
23:40but him going to New York as a young boy
23:43and experiencing all these things,
23:45all these things actually did happen in Chicago.
23:47Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
23:49I'm not sure if Peter Gabriel had insights
23:52on what was going to be happening or what.
23:54When was this album released?
23:56That was in 1974, I think.
23:591974.
24:00Yeah.
24:01See, I never listened to Genesis growing up,
24:03and I know we're here to talk about your testimony,
24:05but I hope you don't mind if I share a little bit about mine.
24:07No, as I said, I'm not sure if Peter Gabriel had insights into this
24:12because a lot of these lyrics, I'm sure,
24:15are written by elites and things for them, you know?
24:19Especially nowadays, you know, with these pop stars, right?
24:23Because everything seems to be getting too easy like that.
24:29And Raymond Lear, right, Rial,
24:33he totally fulfills all this with one exception,
24:36and that's that it wasn't in New York.
24:38But the interesting thing that I think about this
24:40is how it applies to myself,
24:42is while I don't really fulfill any of these things right here,
24:45I didn't have sex when I was in New York.
24:48I was like just 14, 15 years old.
24:51I wasn't really a hero,
24:53though there was some self-sacrifice.
24:56It was basically I ended up going on an adventure in New York
25:01when I was a young boy too.
25:03And I just think that's interesting
25:05that that's like the one part about this
25:07that the Lord doesn't fulfill that it happened in my life too.
25:12And now I really want to listen to that song, you know?
25:16But not just for my sake, but really to hear about the Lord.
25:19So I hope that other people take a listen to that.
25:22Again, the name of the song is The Lamb.
25:27We would play it for the viewers,
25:29but the thing is we may just get this video taken down if we do play it.
25:34Yeah, we don't want that.
25:36And there's plenty of sources online for people to find it.
25:39And if you have any trouble,
25:41make sure that you search the name of the band, Genesis,
25:45and then the name of the song, The Lamb.
25:48That's it.
25:50Okay.
25:51There's more for your testimony though.
25:53I mean you've been through quite a bit since being with us too.
25:57Oh, yeah.
25:58Yeah, but all that has really fulfilled
26:04and helped me to fulfill prophecies as well.
26:07My brothers and sisters.
26:09But that testimony there that I gave you,
26:14first of all, of how I come to the Lord
26:17and how I was able to find Him again
26:20was through these things that I say.
26:24Actually talking to Lucifer face-to-face that evening.
26:33And it was so strange when my girlfriend actually woke us up
26:39because that was the first thing that just boomed right into my mind
26:43and I could see him standing there again.
26:48And to be told to go out and buy a phone,
26:52which I never had any interest in,
26:54and I used to keep myself to myself
26:56and start getting people on the phone trying to guess.
26:59Yeah.
27:00But to go out and buy a phone
27:03and for everything just to fall in line like that,
27:06it was just crazy.
27:08My mind was kind of bent at that time.
27:10I was going, wow.
27:11It's actually really consistent with what happened to many of us
27:15is right around that time we were all compelled in one way or another
27:19to start looking on the internet for the specific topic.
27:24Right around 2011, 2012.
27:26It was just aliens that was given to me.
27:30But that was the first, the very first alien video that I'd seen.
27:35Yeah, the video, I think it's...
27:37The arrival video.
27:38Yeah, I think it's...
27:39Yeah, UFO.
27:40I think it's about 2 million views now.
27:44UN briefing arrival of alien god.
27:47Yeah.
27:48People want to look that up.
27:49Yeah.
27:52It's about two hours long.
27:53It's a condensed version of a playlist that's much longer
27:57of fulfillment of Christ's return.
28:00Really click-baity title.
28:01People should watch all these videos
28:04because it's an eye-opener.
28:07Goes totally along with scriptures as well.
28:09And I do say to any of these Roman Catholics out there,
28:14you need to really check your scriptures
28:17because you don't want to be duped
28:20the way the Roman Catholic faith dupes people.
28:25And they're really just following the same narrative
28:28that other Christian churches are as well.
28:30They all serve the same master.
28:32And it's not Lucifer.
28:34It's Satan.
28:35If you're my age though, look for it.
28:39Wee bit wiser.
28:44We're trying to reach younger people too
28:46and hoping that they can reach the people close to them also.
28:50Well, you would think so
28:51because most of the young people nowadays
28:53are actually into UFOs and things like that.
28:57Whereas in my days, it was angels.
29:00If not video games.
29:01Yeah.
29:05Like I said, I've got a personal testimony to share too.
29:08Maybe some other time.
29:09Maybe you could interview me one of these days.
29:12No problem.
29:14I'm sure we have a lot of stories to share.
29:18We've been about a half hour into this.
29:21Do you have anything more you want to say about your testimony?
29:24I'm sure there's a lot more.
29:26Is there anything that comes to mind?
29:29No offhand.
29:32I would say so
29:34actually for the people out there.
29:38Come to the congregation of Lord's Royale
29:41and learn the truth for yourselves.
29:43I mean, it doesn't take much to actually join.
29:46I mean, if you still don't believe, fair enough.
29:48We can't make people believe.
29:51But you might find
29:53that some of the truths that you're getting told
29:56will touch you.
29:57Touch your heart.
29:58Touch your mind.
29:59Touch your soul.
30:02And you will find the truth and say to yourself
30:06wow, we have been
30:09duped from a lot of
30:11ministers, pastors, whatever it is, you know.
30:16In this truth, it's quite refreshing by comparison.
30:18Definitely.
30:21Food for the soul.
30:22Yep.
30:23Well, thank you brother.
30:25Thank you for your testimony.
30:27No problem.
30:30Thank you everyone for joining us.
30:32We'll see you again tomorrow
30:34at 11 o'clock with Brother Thomas Cavan.
30:37At 1 o'clock today, we'll be speaking with
30:40Cardinal Matthew Stater.
30:42And
30:44see, tomorrow at 1 o'clock we'll be with
30:46Cardinal Eric Logan.
30:49I'm not sure about our plans for Friday yet.
30:51I'm pretty sure we're going to have
30:53Archbishop Victoria Haran.
30:56And maybe
30:58in the morning
31:00we're not even going to reveal the topic just yet.
31:03We're going to see what happens with the news and
31:06present that to you if it's relevant.
31:08Well, the news is changing so fast nowadays so
31:11it could be anything.
31:12And we're trying hard not to repeat ourselves
31:14too often.
31:16So, when something stands out in the news
31:18that's when we
31:20bring it to people's attention.
31:24But then again, you might hear the same thing twice on this show.
31:27Because you might just need the reminder.
31:30God bless you all in Lord Rael's name.
31:31Amen.