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00:00:00Can you say hard hats folks? Hard hats, lunch pails, steel tool, boots?

00:00:08Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.

00:00:10Look at this boomer right here.

00:00:12You've just got so much talent here.

00:00:14Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.

00:00:16Can I pull the John? What are we apologizing for?

00:00:18What did we say? What did we do?

00:00:30Here it is. We're live baby.

00:00:32There's the countdown guys. We are live.

00:00:34And you are looking at exactly what happened here.

00:00:36As the clock ticks down to zero.

00:00:38And the Celtics win.

00:00:40Banner 18 NBA Champions 2024.

00:00:42Beating the Dallas Mavericks.

00:00:44Four games to one.

00:00:46And looky, looky what we have here.

00:00:48Who's that guy?

00:00:50What?

00:00:52Hard hats, lunch pails, steel tool, boots?

00:00:54Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.

00:00:56Can you say hard hats folks? Hard hats, lunch pails, steel tool, boots?

00:00:59Hard hats, lunch pails, steel tool, boots?

00:01:01And Banner 18 John.

00:01:03What a game.

00:01:05What a series.

00:01:07What a team.

00:01:09What a season.

00:01:11What a banner to come John.

00:01:13Banner 18.

00:01:15Jimmy Disco.

00:01:17That's our surprise.

00:01:19We told you guys.

00:01:21We told you in the pre-game.

00:01:23We have a surprise for you.

00:01:25And that's a surprise.

00:01:27We have a surprise for you.

00:01:29And that surprise is Jimmy Toscano.

00:01:31Gerard Blakely in the hard hat.

00:01:33Gerard T.V. Garden.

00:01:35Celebrating the Celtics.

00:01:37Winning the NBA banner.

00:01:39NBA title here.

00:01:41Beating the Dallas Mavericks.

00:01:43Pretty easily we would say.

00:01:45What were we sweating about guys?

00:01:47What were you sweating about?

00:01:49Was I sweating?

00:01:51Yeah you were sweating.

00:01:53We were all sweating a little bit.

00:01:56Celtics would go on one and then go cold.

00:01:58Mavericks would just kind of hang around.

00:02:00But far enough away where you weren't.

00:02:02I mean I wasn't John Zanis level sweat.

00:02:04But I was you know.

00:02:06I wasn't ready to celebrate until like 4 minutes left

00:02:08in the fourth quarter when I said okay

00:02:10mathematically speaking Mavs have like

00:02:1276 points at this point.

00:02:14I don't expect them to somehow end up with 100.

00:02:16No listen.

00:02:18Once they got that double digit lead

00:02:20and they didn't let that go.

00:02:22I felt good about this.

00:02:25I mean Sam Hauser knocks down a 3.

00:02:27Gets a steal.

00:02:29Next thing you know that 3 point lead is a 10 point lead.

00:02:31And he just kept growing and growing from there.

00:02:33And we saw top 5 Tatum was in a building.

00:02:35We got the most emotional Tatum I think I've ever seen.

00:02:37Fist pumping.

00:02:39Waving to the crowd.

00:02:41Tired up.

00:02:43Attacking when he needed to.

00:02:45I would have liked to see a little bit more in that first half.

00:02:47But did what he needed to do.

00:02:49I think what did he have?

00:02:519 assists in the first half.

00:02:53Finding other ways to affect the game when that outside shot is not falling.

00:02:55It's okay.

00:02:57He's getting everybody involved.

00:02:59You already talked about guys like Hauser chipping in.

00:03:01He had a really great game from Holiday too.

00:03:03And that's even with him missing like

00:03:056 attempts at the rim.

00:03:07Yeah.

00:03:09And so guys were contributing.

00:03:11Derek White lost a couple of teeth.

00:03:13I mean guys.

00:03:15We didn't even mention.

00:03:17I don't want to say his name.

00:03:19I don't want Bobby's head to blow off.

00:03:22This place when they announced Porzingis into the game.

00:03:24A little too diverse I thought from him.

00:03:26But he really got.

00:03:28I thought he got a lot more comfortable with that second stint that he had.

00:03:30And I'll say it.

00:03:32He was effective for them.

00:03:34He definitely contributed to this win tonight.

00:03:36It wasn't just a decoy.

00:03:38I mean his second stint was much more effective.

00:03:40Because his first stint he was out there with Josh Green.

00:03:42And Josh Green just lit him up.

00:03:44Which Josh Green should.

00:03:46I mean Porzingis was not getting out defensively.

00:03:48They made some adjustments.

00:03:50They never allowed Dallas to get comfortable in this game.

00:03:52There was never a point where you felt that Dallas had the momentum.

00:03:54The tide was turning in their favor.

00:03:56And that is what championship teams do.

00:03:58Where you can put teams away.

00:04:00Bury them.

00:04:02Put the headstone on.

00:04:04Rest in peace Kyrie Irving.

00:04:06It's a wrap.

00:04:08It's a wrap.

00:04:10Best part.

00:04:12Not the best part.

00:04:14But maybe one of the top 5 best parts of winning this game tonight.

00:04:16We don't have to hear Kyrie Irving nonsense no more.

00:04:19It's done.

00:04:21It's a celebration here at the TD Garden.

00:04:23I think we got a pretty good shot here.

00:04:25But the confetti rain.

00:04:27Unlimited supply of confetti.

00:04:29I've never seen.

00:04:31You've been in a couple buildings.

00:04:33I don't know how that ranks.

00:04:35That was raining down.

00:04:37They borrowed some from Dallas game 4.

00:04:39They had a little left over.

00:04:41After they rained it down.

00:04:43Philly chipped in with some of their extra confetti too.

00:04:45That they haven't gotten to use against the Celtics as well.

00:04:48Let's friggin shit talk a little bit.

00:04:50Jimmy Toscano.

00:04:52What did you predict the series would end?

00:04:54Didn't I forget?

00:04:56What did I predict?

00:04:58You know what I predicted.

00:05:00Same as you John.

00:05:02Celtics in 5.

00:05:04I didn't buy the hype.

00:05:06Whatever the fake hype was coming out of the national media.

00:05:08I just didn't see it.

00:05:10It came down to what can Luka and Kyrie do for you.

00:05:12Honestly they couldn't do enough.

00:05:14Kyrie was basically the only one.

00:05:16Kyrie was basically non-existent.

00:05:18Aside from maybe a game and a quarter here and there.

00:05:20And Luka was like Luka light.

00:05:22You never got that Luka magic vibe.

00:05:24You never felt like he was engaged in these games.

00:05:26Like he needed to be for an NBA finals.

00:05:28And it felt like today this Dallas team.

00:05:30They didn't come here to win today.

00:05:32From the start they were flat.

00:05:34The Celtics let them hang around.

00:05:36But everything the Celtics went on.

00:05:38The Mavs didn't.

00:05:40It's not like the Mavs didn't have to answer.

00:05:42They didn't go on a run back.

00:05:45They just hung around for 15-20 points.

00:05:47It was never a really competitive game.

00:05:49Them getting back to Boston allowed them a safe in.

00:05:51That's all they wanted to do.

00:05:53I mean you look at the guys that were playing out of their minds in game 4.

00:05:55Guys like Derrick Lively.

00:05:57Had two points, four rebounds, five fouls.

00:05:59You look at Exum.

00:06:01You look at Hardaway.

00:06:03You go down the line of guys that were difference makers.

00:06:05They were just absolute trash.

00:06:07And they didn't want to play.

00:06:09They didn't want to play.

00:06:11They didn't want to play.

00:06:13And the guy that you mentioned right off the top.

00:06:15Kyrie Irving.

00:06:17The eminent domain that Celtics fans have in his head is scary.

00:06:19They're not even really going at him.

00:06:21It's over now.

00:06:23It's over.

00:06:25They weren't even going at him hard the way they did in the past.

00:06:27And all he could do was talk about how trying to basically have a little bit of revisionist history in his time as a Celtic.

00:06:29Bottom line is.

00:06:31It was the Kyrie PR tour.

00:06:33I don't know if he knew it was the finals.

00:06:35This was a great way to close that chapter.

00:06:37I agree.

00:06:39I think it was a great way to close that chapter.

00:06:42I agree.

00:06:44Not only do you get Banner 18.

00:06:46One more than the Lakers.

00:06:48But you do it putting to bed a guy that.

00:06:50Yeah.

00:06:52A storyline that you can forget now.

00:06:54You know.

00:06:56You know what.

00:06:58Jimmy doesn't forget.

00:07:00I mean I forgive.

00:07:02But I never forget.

00:07:04I'm past it.

00:07:06You know what it is.

00:07:08I'm officially better than it now John.

00:07:11It's beneath me.

00:07:13I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.

00:07:15Who?

00:07:17Kyrie?

00:07:19I got better things to do now.

00:07:21I got better things to do.

00:07:23I'm waiting for a banner to be raised next season.

00:07:25I don't have to worry about who used to play here.

00:07:27Who said this about what.

00:07:29Who cares about the city.

00:07:31You know what.

00:07:33If you don't like it.

00:07:35Get the F out.

00:07:37We're cool with who we got here.

00:07:39It's all love right now in the Celtics organization.

00:07:41And I'll tell you what.

00:07:43A few years ago guys.

00:07:45I thought we were hitting the lowest of lows.

00:07:47I'm talking about those seasons with Kyrie.

00:07:49Right after Kyrie.

00:07:51Teams just didn't seem to want to play in Boston.

00:07:53Players didn't seem to want to play here.

00:07:55Completely different vibe now.

00:07:57And it happened quick.

00:07:59You got to give the Celtics ownership a lot of credit.

00:08:01You got to give Brad credit.

00:08:03You got to give Missoula credit for stepping in the way he did

00:08:05when all hell broke loose.

00:08:08We've been at the top of the top basically since the beginning.

00:08:10It remains that way.

00:08:12I think it's.

00:08:14And another.

00:08:16A statement season from this team.

00:08:18And if you want to give Wick for a second his flowers.

00:08:20Take a look at the ownership around Boston right now.

00:08:22It's pretty dark and dismal in most cases.

00:08:24But Wick and that ownership team.

00:08:26Their number one goal is to bring home Banner 18 straw.

00:08:28They've been saying it for years.

00:08:30Whether it's fireworks.

00:08:32Going out.

00:08:34Getting the guys paying the tax.

00:08:36They gave Brad free will to do what he needed to do.

00:08:38And Celtics did.

00:08:40Players did the best.

00:08:42And Wick has been saying that.

00:08:44And I don't think Celtics fans really embrace that.

00:08:46He's willing to pay for a championship.

00:08:48He's a fan.

00:08:50And he's openly admitted that.

00:08:52I'm losing money with this team.

00:08:54But we wanted to give Banner 18.

00:08:56The GoFundMe for Wick is open by the way.

00:08:58We're going to eat that one.

00:09:00We've got to give props.

00:09:02We've got a ton of super chats that flooded in.

00:09:05Jason Tatum.

00:09:07200 bones here.

00:09:09Thank you very much guys.

00:09:11We're trying to get back to it.

00:09:13We do thank you guys.

00:09:15I'm trying to circle back to some of you.

00:09:17Don't miss the super chats.

00:09:19I was getting texts.

00:09:21Texts?

00:09:23These guys know your phone number?

00:09:25Some people have my phone number.

00:09:27Rookie mistake John.

00:09:29Tell them that's a rookie mistake.

00:09:31They could be friends too.

00:09:34My real name is not even John Zanis.

00:09:36I've got a target on my back right now.

00:09:38I really should have my back turned the other way right now.

00:09:40And I'm not even Greek.

00:09:42We have a merch announcement too.

00:09:44If you want to mention that.

00:09:46I don't yet because I'm trying to catch up on our super chats.

00:09:48And I will get to the merch announcement.

00:09:50I promise Jimmy.

00:09:52I promise we're going to get to that.

00:09:54It's important.

00:09:56It's big merch news.

00:09:58Stay on tuned.

00:10:00There is.

00:10:02Keep it on the topic you talked about.

00:10:04We talked about assembling this team.

00:10:06And there was some concern and some question

00:10:08as to whether WIC would go for it.

00:10:10And you had that issue where you're like,

00:10:12they don't want to go into the tax.

00:10:14They want that taxpayer savings that year.

00:10:16They didn't want to spend a little extra

00:10:18to make a team that was marginal

00:10:20maybe kind of marginal.

00:10:22They didn't want to spend a little extra

00:10:24to make a team that was marginal.

00:10:26They didn't want to spend a little extra

00:10:28to make a team that was marginal.

00:10:31Maybe kind of push across the finish line.

00:10:33And there was concern that like

00:10:35I don't know that they're going to do that.

00:10:37And then just bang, bang, boom

00:10:39just started frigging throwing cash

00:10:41all over the place.

00:10:43And again, it's impossible once again

00:10:45to not talk about it.

00:10:47But WIC goes to it right away.

00:10:49In fact, the question asked to WIC was,

00:10:51hey, you sensed that this wasn't going to be

00:10:53a championship team and you retooled it.

00:10:55And that's exactly what they did.

00:10:57You had to make hard decisions.

00:10:59You had to do what the Celtics did

00:11:01which is to enter the season as,

00:11:03if not prohibitive, like

00:11:05big time favorites

00:11:07to win.

00:11:09I know a lot of people thought Denver was lurking

00:11:11and that might be a tougher one.

00:11:13But we said, and it says it in our open,

00:11:15it's championship or bust and it has been all year.

00:11:17There really was only one acceptable result for this team.

00:11:19They took all comers all year long.

00:11:21I mean, look at this.

00:11:23We got all freaked out over

00:11:25a single loss to Dallas,

00:11:27a single loss to Miami,

00:11:29a single loss to, I don't even remember who the hell else

00:11:31they played, and a sweep of Indiana.

00:11:33Cleveland.

00:11:35I mean, and guess

00:11:37national media is going to go,

00:11:39well, they didn't play anybody

00:11:41and Dallas was weak and Kyrie

00:11:43didn't this and

00:11:45that's what they did.

00:11:47They put these guys

00:11:49lights out. 16-3.

00:11:51I know 16-2 would have been historic.

00:11:5316-3 is freaking

00:11:55ridiculous.

00:11:57They went 80-21

00:11:59on the season. It's banana

00:12:01land that they did this.

00:12:03All year long, start to finish, wire to

00:12:05wire, the best team in basketball and it ends with

00:12:07a championship. I don't know what else anybody

00:12:09could ask for here.

00:12:11They deserve everything that's coming their way

00:12:13and more and beyond that

00:12:15is, as Jimmy said,

00:12:17what are you going to say to the haters, Jimmy?

00:12:19I'm going to say hi, haters, all summer long.

00:12:21You're not going to see me

00:12:23in the YouTube comment section going back

00:12:25and forth. You're not going to see me going back

00:12:27and forth on Twitter with the haters

00:12:29and people are going to... because you know what a hater

00:12:31does, John? They just move the goalposts.

00:12:33They're just born to hate.

00:12:35They wake up, what can I hate today?

00:12:37That's what the trolls do. That's what the haters do.

00:12:39But if you're a Celtics fan, don't fall

00:12:41for that trap. Celtics did exactly

00:12:43what they set out to do. They were the best team

00:12:45from start to finish. They were the favorite to win the title

00:12:47and they did it. That's hard to do, as John

00:12:49mentioned, because you've got a target on your back. You've got all

00:12:51the expectations. When you win,

00:12:53a lot of times, when you're expected

00:12:55to win, it doesn't even feel good

00:12:57to win. It just feels like,

00:12:59okay, on to the next one. You know how

00:13:01relieved these guys feel right now? It's probably

00:13:03the first time, maybe

00:13:05months, maybe all season that they've actually

00:13:07felt actual joy,

00:13:09right? Because they've set

00:13:11out to do what they were

00:13:13expected to do. Not just what other people expected

00:13:15them to do, but what they expected to do. So

00:13:17mission accomplished and they deserve

00:13:19all the credit in the world. You will not

00:13:21see me going anywhere with it, because tomorrow morning, we

00:13:23already saw it. We saw a couple losers

00:13:25on TV recently. Joel Embiid

00:13:27and who was the other guy?

00:13:29Joel's a loser, I'm thinking.

00:13:31Joel and Paul.

00:13:33PG. PG, whatever

00:13:35it is. Paul George. Two guys

00:13:37who all they know how to do is lose.

00:13:39And they're going on TV

00:13:41and Embiid is saying,

00:13:43the Celtics can't be a dynasty because

00:13:45too many people were hurt or I was hurt.

00:13:47If Joel Embiid is

00:13:49the barometer for whether or not you're a dynasty,

00:13:51then there can't be a dynasty because he's always

00:13:53hurt. Here's the thing. A dynasty is when

00:13:55you win multiple championships.

00:13:57The Celtics haven't had a chance

00:13:59to be a dynasty, but the way they're built,

00:14:01think about this. Their best player

00:14:03is 26. Their second

00:14:05best player is 27. They

00:14:07have a 7 foot 2 inch mismatch

00:14:09inside-outside guy. They've got

00:14:11the best perimeter on the ball

00:14:13defender. They've got the best backcourt

00:14:15defensively. And a guy like Sam

00:14:17Hauser, and I've mentioned him earlier,

00:14:19Sam was mediocre

00:14:21at best throughout the playoffs, yet

00:14:23in the finals, clearly stepped his game

00:14:25up. This was, of all the playoffs

00:14:27series, the finals was the best one

00:14:29that Sam Hauser had in terms of consistency,

00:14:31big impact plays. So

00:14:33when you start looking at their top 7,

00:14:35and paint your picture,

00:14:37is anyone going to defend him

00:14:39at the end of a damn court?

00:14:41How does that happen over

00:14:43and over?

00:14:45He literally played

00:14:474 seconds in the first half.

00:14:49We're going to let him do it.

00:14:51He already did this to you.

00:14:53You're going to dribble the ball and shoot

00:14:55from half-court. That's all I want you to do.

00:14:57And if you're Dallas,

00:14:59you didn't see that coming.

00:15:01He does this all the time.

00:15:03That's what I'm saying. That's a Jason Kidd special.

00:15:05Oh, that makes me

00:15:07so happy. I can't stand Jason Kidd.

00:15:09That was such a chef's kiss there.

00:15:11That was such a moment.

00:15:13Real quick,

00:15:15Jimmy, you want to acknowledge the Super Chats.

00:15:17I want to talk about some of them on the screen.

00:15:19Daniel, thank you very much. Didn't watch many

00:15:21games this year. Listened to every

00:15:23garden report. You guys are the best.

00:15:25Said the Celtics hadn't been tested. Turns out there

00:15:27wasn't a team that could test them.

00:15:29$100 from Daniel. Thank you.

00:15:31Chad, I want to see constant Super Chats.

00:15:33Thank you so much. Appreciate that.

00:15:35I can't see the comments right now. It's killing me.

00:15:37But I'm going to watch this back tomorrow.

00:15:39Thank you, Timmy. Thank you, everybody

00:15:41who has thrown in here. Again, we do

00:15:43appreciate it, you guys. We're just happy

00:15:45to have you in here as we're going to talk

00:15:47into the night a little bit here.

00:15:49We're going to get some sound back.

00:15:51Bobby's heading into the locker room.

00:15:53Ahmet, Nick, Joe Sway,

00:15:55we've unleashed those guys on the court.

00:15:57We have no idea what's going to happen

00:15:59and what's coming back here.

00:16:01We'll get some sound on here.

00:16:03We'll get some video from the court and some

00:16:05cool stuff. Then afterwards, we want

00:16:07to tell all of you guys, we are

00:16:09going to, because as we said, it's a rare

00:16:11occasion where we have the entire Garden

00:16:13Report crew at the Garden. We're going to

00:16:15shut down this stream. We're taking over

00:16:17the Garden. Five minutes and

00:16:19we're going to do a Garden Report

00:16:21late, late night edition with all of us

00:16:23on the court together.

00:16:25We want you guys to hang out for that as well.

00:16:27We've got plenty to talk about as we go

00:16:29through here. Again, talking about

00:16:31the game stuff, starting

00:16:33at the top, guys,

00:16:35there was that concern

00:16:37about, well,

00:16:39did Dallas

00:16:41crack it? We talked about it

00:16:43in the pregame a little. Did the Mavericks

00:16:45unlock something, crack the code?

00:16:47As I said,

00:16:49as the show went on, I talked to myself

00:16:51completely out of that nonsense. I'm like,

00:16:53what's the code?

00:16:55Hardy and Exum, people were

00:16:57worried about Hardaway. I don't want to kill

00:16:59Bobby, but I'm going to kill Bobby. Bobby's worried

00:17:01about Derek Lively hitting threes.

00:17:03We went a little crazy.

00:17:05We got a little crazy. Some real

00:17:07galaxy brain shit. We had to make

00:17:09ourselves stay interested, I think.

00:17:11We made ourselves get a little crazy,

00:17:13I think, for sure.

00:17:15It kind of flipped back to what

00:17:17it was when the series began, which is

00:17:19a lot of really, really, really

00:17:21good players on the Celtics, a couple

00:17:23of really, really, really good players on the Mavericks,

00:17:25and then a few role players that you'll absolutely

00:17:27dare them to beat you, as long as you

00:17:29played disciplined. Honestly, the Celtics

00:17:31stuck to their game plan most of the night. If they don't

00:17:33smoke 15 bunnies, this

00:17:35thing is a 35-point

00:17:37laugher at this point. Defensively,

00:17:39they picked up full court. You knew

00:17:41right out of the gate they were serious. They picked

00:17:43up full court the entire game.

00:17:45They chased those guys. They hounded those guys.

00:17:47Their communication, their rotations on defense

00:17:49were great. That's always the thing.

00:17:51You could deal with a few

00:17:53stints of shit offense like they did.

00:17:55They went an eight-minute stretch between the third

00:17:57and the fourth there with eight points.

00:17:59You know what Dallas scored during that eight-minute stretch?

00:18:01Eight points.

00:18:03That was it. That was where

00:18:05the run was going to come

00:18:07if at all, and it didn't.

00:18:09Celtics went cold.

00:18:11They kept Dallas out of it, too, by

00:18:13challenging guys like Herb Jones to

00:18:15go ahead, shoot that

00:18:17top of the key three all you want.

00:18:19I don't care.

00:18:21Staying with Luka and Kyrie, making sure

00:18:23that the shots they hit were really tough shots.

00:18:25They did it all game, and that's what

00:18:27was a formula for success in the first three games,

00:18:29and they did it again.

00:18:31Right off the bat, the Celtics

00:18:33could not make shots, but then you look over,

00:18:35guess what? Dallas was even

00:18:37crappier. Dallas missed five of the first six

00:18:39shots. The Celtics were three for eight

00:18:41in that stretch, had a 9-2 lead,

00:18:43even though you knew their offense was going to get

00:18:45so much better, and that defense was

00:18:47not going to crack.

00:18:49It was going to be their

00:18:51possession after possession.

00:18:53The Celtics, again, to me, that

00:18:55set the tone for how this game was going to play out.

00:18:57They allowed their defense

00:18:59to really take center stage, which

00:19:01I don't think they did enough of that in

00:19:03the finals and, frankly, in the playoffs, but

00:19:05when they do that, that offense

00:19:07eventually come around, and again, I think Tatum

00:19:09I was a little

00:19:11surprised he did not, and we can talk more about this.

00:19:13I was surprised that he did not get MVP

00:19:15because I thought that it was

00:19:17relatively close coming into this game.

00:19:19I thought Brown was slightly ahead,

00:19:21but Tatum was so good in this

00:19:23game in almost every facet

00:19:25of play, and Jalen was solid,

00:19:27but I didn't think Jalen was particularly good.

00:19:29I thought he was sloppy.

00:19:31If you look at the

00:19:33totality of the finals, I can

00:19:35see why you give it to Jalen, but man,

00:19:37when the game mattered most,

00:19:39Tatum stepped up. I thought they

00:19:41allowed Tatum to be the guy more

00:19:43tonight. He had more opportunities. He had the

00:19:45ball in his hands. He did miss a lot of shots that

00:19:47you wanted to just be

00:19:49the final nail in the coffin, type three,

00:19:51but he had a better game

00:19:53five, I thought, than Brown overall, but to John's

00:19:55point, there was some situations where it just

00:19:57felt like maybe he was a little slow.

00:19:59It was a toss-up.

00:20:01I'm interested to see how close the voting was.

00:20:03I can see why you would vote for Jalen Brown, but if

00:20:05it was more like a complacency-biased thing, if you thought

00:20:07it was neck-and-neck, then yeah,

00:20:09I could see why people would have voted for Tatum tonight.

00:20:11Here's the thing, though,

00:20:13and you talked about it off the front. Nobody was scoring

00:20:15in front. Brown and Tatum were

00:20:17called to start this game. Drew Holiday really paced them to

00:20:19start things off, and he missed a couple bunnies, but

00:20:21this is the type of series that I

00:20:23think really sums up the Celtics

00:20:25this year because

00:20:27it's hard to figure out who the MVP was,

00:20:29and that's kind of how the season

00:20:31went. You had a stacked

00:20:33team, basically,

00:20:35and that's how they won in these playoffs.

00:20:37You didn't need 50-point performances from

00:20:39Tatum or Brown. You got

00:20:41your 25, you got your 30, and you got your 10 assists

00:20:43or your eight rebounds, and then you got

00:20:45another 20-plus from Holiday, or

00:20:47maybe it was Derek White that night,

00:20:49or it was Porzingis in Game

00:20:511 or whatever. So you had

00:20:53so much contributions.

00:20:55You already talked about Hauser. You know, I mean, you go down the line.

00:20:57You got contributions from everybody, which

00:20:59is how it happened all season long, so

00:21:01it's kind of fitting. I don't think this is the

00:21:03type of series that we're going to look back and be like,

00:21:05whoo, that Jalen Brown,

00:21:07he put the team on his back in the NBA Finals

00:21:09and got the MVP. No, it wasn't like that.

00:21:11Like you said, Shradd, they clamped down on defense.

00:21:13A lot how the 07-08

00:21:15team won games was on that defensive

00:21:17side of the ball. When the Celtics played

00:21:19that way, it didn't matter that they didn't

00:21:21have a guy that dropped 40. They had

00:21:23enough attacks from all

00:21:25over that somebody

00:21:27didn't want to give possession.

00:21:29You know, a guy we haven't said at all

00:21:31who a lot of the players have talked about

00:21:33coming into this game is Al Horne.

00:21:39Over two full regular seasons

00:21:41worth of playoffs.

00:21:43Thank you, Big Green.

00:21:45For him to get that

00:21:47reign. I believe he was

00:21:49the first starter that checked out of the game.

00:21:51And you can just tell that

00:21:53this meant the world to him.

00:21:55I talked to Tito for a little bit before the game.

00:21:57Warfords are going to get after it

00:21:59tonight.

00:22:01They're getting it in.

00:22:03They are getting it in hard and deservedly so.

00:22:05I mean, you know, his defense

00:22:07is not going to get as much

00:22:09attention in limelight because Luka's

00:22:11pretty damn special.

00:22:13Al's ability to more times

00:22:15and not hold his own defensively on those switches

00:22:17was one of the many keys for the Celtics

00:22:19to get this win.

00:22:23Real quick, Jimmy.

00:22:25I'm going to give Jimmy

00:22:27a little plug here

00:22:29as we're putting something on the screen.

00:22:31I'm looking at the teaser

00:22:33with a bunch of names. Can you see it?

00:22:35I can see it, yeah.

00:22:37I can see it. I'm looking down here for a second.

00:22:39This is what we call the names.

00:22:41This is the name drop T. This is what I'm calling the name drop T.

00:22:43I mean, it's pretty sub-explanatory.

00:22:45You've probably seen similar T-shirts

00:22:47floating around, but all year long,

00:22:49and again, no disrespect to the Stay Ready crew,

00:22:51but all year long, the team's been riding on these

00:22:53six names. I had to obviously put Al

00:22:55in there. There's no way I was going to keep Al out even though he's

00:22:57coming off the bench. These are the dudes

00:22:59that got you to where you needed

00:23:01to go. I think we're going to probably put together

00:23:03a Stay Ready crew T at some point, but

00:23:05bottom line is, they're the dudes

00:23:07that got you where you needed to be. There's the Banner

00:23:0918, pretty sub-explanatory. I like the

00:23:11white font

00:23:13with the green ampersand on the

00:23:15black T. Those are all

00:23:17available in the merch store right now.

00:23:19And then, you already know

00:23:21to the right of that. Look at that clean

00:23:23Banner 18 limited edition

00:23:25white hard

00:23:27hat. The green ones have been selling like crazy.

00:23:29These white ones are actually

00:23:31limited edition, folks.

00:23:33On the right side, there you go. Look at that.

00:23:35On the right side, the font changed.

00:23:37It says hard hats, lunch pails,

00:23:39Banner 18.

00:23:41Pretty self-explanatory.

00:23:43Definitely want to get those.

00:23:45I've been seeing them around the TD Garden.

00:23:47Honestly, these things I think we're going to start

00:23:49seeing pop up more and more and more.

00:23:51Just a shout-out

00:23:53to the mentality of the Celtics.

00:23:55You've got to just...

00:23:57It's one of those things, Sherrod. When the shots aren't following,

00:23:59you've got to find other ways to win that game.

00:24:01You've got to strap on the

00:24:03steel-toed boots. You've got to put on the hard hat.

00:24:05You've got to get that lunch pail, and you've just got to go to work.

00:24:07You've got to dig deep. You've got to play

00:24:09dirty. You don't win a championship

00:24:11without getting in the dirt.

00:24:13You don't. You look at every team that

00:24:15wins a championship, and they all have

00:24:17that dog.

00:24:19I'll say this.

00:24:21Not saying

00:24:23they didn't do it all season,

00:24:25but how many times did you

00:24:27see guys hit the deck for loose

00:24:29balls tonight?

00:24:31This was a season.

00:24:35More guys hit the deck

00:24:37going after balls tonight than I can

00:24:39remember. I'm not saying it as a knock.

00:24:41I'm just saying it happened

00:24:43all night long.

00:24:45Loose balls, scrambling.

00:24:47You do that. You win the 50-50s.

00:24:49You play hard. Again, a lot of shots

00:24:51in and out, some sloppy

00:24:53execution here and there, and a bunch of missed bunnies.

00:24:55They still won by 18.

00:24:57This was a 40-point game.

00:24:59If things went the other way,

00:25:01it was a totally dominating performance.

00:25:03A dominating performance.

00:25:05What did we say

00:25:07was most impressive about the first three wins

00:25:09as much as anything else? It wasn't always

00:25:11that they were doing everything that they wanted to do.

00:25:13They had a plan. They stuck to it, and they worked

00:25:15their freaking asses off. You just

00:25:17saw a teeny bit of letdown there in

00:25:19game four. Just a teeny bit.

00:25:21Wheels came off the wagon, and it got really ugly,

00:25:23but they got back to it.

00:25:25We'll never talk about that

00:25:27game again. That's the beauty of

00:25:29winning it five.

00:25:31We'll never talk about game four again. It means

00:25:33absolutely nothing. You didn't want a

00:25:35situation where you're going back to Dallas.

00:25:37The Celtics, to their credit, they've

00:25:39made sure that that wasn't a reality.

00:25:41For me, game four,

00:25:43I don't want to pretend it didn't happen because

00:25:45I think game four set

00:25:47the tone for the level of focus we saw in game five.

00:25:49There was no doubt in their minds

00:25:51that we're not going to let

00:25:53game four repeat itself.

00:25:55They came in here. I don't know

00:25:57if they would have been making the diving plays and

00:25:59the hustle plays and Derek White losing teeth

00:26:01if they would have played a pretty good game

00:26:03and wound up losing game four. They might have thought,

00:26:05we're just going to do a little bit more.

00:26:07They had to go back to the lab and say,

00:26:09look, we played like trash

00:26:11in game four.

00:26:13That can't happen again.

00:26:15We got to focus and lock in and handle our business.

00:26:17That's exactly what they did.

00:26:19You're right about that.

00:26:21I just don't want to go back to

00:26:23game four. I don't need to anymore.

00:26:25I simply choose not to.

00:26:27I can do that now.

00:26:29I'm only going to be thinking about

00:26:31game one, two, three, and five.

00:26:33I can't

00:26:35wait to see

00:26:37in two or three years just the classics.

00:26:39This is a classic.

00:26:41Just like we see Dave Carroll

00:26:43diving for the loose ball. We're going to see Derek

00:26:45White losing teeth. There's a picture of Derek White

00:26:47that's floating around social media.

00:26:49His teeth are all screaming at each other.

00:26:51He's the same guy. He got cut

00:26:53in one game. He's got stitches

00:26:55elsewhere. He's got teeth knocked out.

00:26:57Honestly, he was losing

00:26:59his hair and he shaved off his hair.

00:27:01He's going to

00:27:03get rid of the rest of that grill.

00:27:05Just let the whole thing go.

00:27:07Imagine how scary that dude

00:27:09would be.

00:27:11Full court, no teeth,

00:27:13no hair, no teeth, just a freaking straight up

00:27:15something out of Harry Potter.

00:27:17Is that true?

00:27:19That's what I'm thinking.

00:27:21It's working. It worked.

00:27:23That must have hurt me. I'm joking aside.

00:27:25That sucks.

00:27:27Yeah, that sucks, man.

00:27:29Pop some Advil in

00:27:31and get back out there, I guess.

00:27:33Get some cotton. Make sure to stop

00:27:35the bleeding.

00:27:37It's tough.

00:27:39I said this

00:27:41to you, John, after. I said, tomorrow, we're going to get a list

00:27:43of all the guys going in for surgery like they do

00:27:45in the NHL after they get eliminated.

00:27:47Derek White, new grill.

00:27:49Porzingis needs a new leg.

00:27:51Just go down the line with everything that these guys

00:27:53played hard on today.

00:27:55Jimmy, we have a request. Don't spend

00:27:57the next three minutes talking about this, please.

00:27:59We have a request for dresses. I just want to

00:28:01let you know.

00:28:03We got a lot of shirts. Dresses.

00:28:05Dresses.

00:28:07Oh, a dress. Okay.

00:28:09I never

00:28:11considered women. Yes, Jimmy.

00:28:13I did. Trust me.

00:28:15Well done, Jimmy.

00:28:17John, I didn't say

00:28:19that if you

00:28:21are thinking about buying something in the merch store,

00:28:23which we appreciate, by the way, don't forget

00:28:25code BANNER18

00:28:27for 20% off anything

00:28:29in the merch store, guys. Don't forget it.

00:28:31A lot of people are buying stuff. They're not using the code.

00:28:33He's not going to be able to hear you, but

00:28:35I'll give you a little boomer report here.

00:28:37No boom, no rage today, baby.

00:28:39BANNER18.

00:28:41BANNER18. I'm going to find out

00:28:43BANNER18. I'm going to find a spot,

00:28:45come back, and

00:28:47fuck shit up. Okay.

00:28:49Hey, that's the boss man

00:28:51talking. Wow. Anybody on the court?

00:28:57I was actually

00:28:59I caught the end of it next to Jelso. I think I

00:29:01saw a tear roll down his cheek as

00:29:03the tears of-

00:29:05Send me video.

00:29:07Okay, great. We got some stuff

00:29:09coming in from the court, too, which we will get to

00:29:11in a little bit. We're setting up Nick Jelso.

00:29:13Still poking around out there

00:29:15in the court. We talked to

00:29:17Ray Allen. There's still some people out

00:29:19there. We got Ray Ray?

00:29:21We got Ray Ray, and

00:29:23Bobby, as we said, is in the locker room, and again, I hope

00:29:25I hope. Is Bobby getting showered

00:29:27by Cornette? Jerk, thank

00:29:29you. Hard hat tip to everyone on the CLNS

00:29:31crew, including Amit, and we do know

00:29:33Amit is great. I also want to throw in

00:29:35Jackson Tolliver, a late

00:29:37addition to this team. This was like a

00:29:39PJ Brown sort of addition for this team,

00:29:41adding Jackson

00:29:43Tolliver to this team. This is what

00:29:45we needed to get over the top

00:29:47here. Terrific producer behind

00:29:49the scenes. He's back there right now, and

00:29:51Richie LeMay, who's been

00:29:53killing it on social media

00:29:55with all of his stuff, will also give

00:29:57a hat tip to Noah

00:29:59Denzel, who's been tremendous

00:30:01working over at Celtics Blog and jumping

00:30:03in and doing a bunch of stuff with us. Really, really

00:30:05good stuff. Amazing contributions from a ton

00:30:07of people, and honestly, all of the kids

00:30:09here and all of the guys who've been grinding

00:30:11and chasing this team around

00:30:13all year long.

00:30:15Some of these kids out here are really putting in work,

00:30:17so hats off to all of those guys. They've been awesome.

00:30:19Anwar the Great,

00:30:21$49.99

00:30:23second round of drinks on me. Jimmy,

00:30:25I'm a contractor. I need that white

00:30:27hard hat, bro. I absolutely

00:30:29love this show. I watch after every game.

00:30:31Thank you very, very,

00:30:33very much for that. We do

00:30:35appreciate it.

00:30:37White's limited, but

00:30:39green's going nowhere, guys. We're going to start

00:30:41seeing green around town, I think. I'm trying

00:30:43to get some of these on the duck boat, so

00:30:45we'll see what we can do. If you're

00:30:47at the parade and you have a hard hat on

00:30:49and you toss it to a player

00:30:51and he wears it, you get

00:30:53another hard hat from me free of charge.

00:30:55Don't worry about losing your hard hats. Anyone at

00:30:57the parade, you just hit me up, I got

00:30:59you covered. Okay, we need video

00:31:01proof of that, Jimmy, or else we're going to have to give a whole bunch

00:31:03away. But anyway, Rob Merrill,

00:31:05Banner 18, Dynasty Incoming.

00:31:07Yeah, I could see that code.

00:31:09Banner 19. They're built for a couple more years

00:31:11of this, at least. Again, the window

00:31:13is legit and it's real and it's definitely

00:31:15something that you could see

00:31:17happening. We don't have any word. People are asking about

00:31:19the parade. We don't have any word on that yet.

00:31:21Thank you. Roland,

00:31:23discovered this channel last playoffs. Been great

00:31:25all season. Cheers to Banner 18.

00:31:27Yes, we have been great

00:31:29all season. Cheers to you guys. This is a celebration

00:31:31for everybody. We have been

00:31:33excellent, I think.

00:31:35It's been a lot of blood, sweat,

00:31:37and tears for the fans, too, John. Don't forget.

00:31:39We've had a lot of ups and downs since

00:31:41oh, wait.

00:31:43I mean, damn, it got bad for a while.

00:31:45Think about when they traded

00:31:47Pierce, KG.

00:31:49Sherrod broke that news, by the way.

00:31:51And then

00:31:53that got ugly.

00:31:55But then it got fun because

00:31:57you ended up with an upstart team, no expectations.

00:31:59Brad Stevens kind of lifted.

00:32:01He was a floor raiser, Brad Stevens

00:32:03was, the Evan Turner years.

00:32:05And then you kind of transitioned

00:32:07into Isaiah Thomas years, right?

00:32:09And then that was obviously a lot of fun.

00:32:11Then you got the Kyrie years, which

00:32:13we'll keep it moving.

00:32:15Exactly.

00:32:17Things kind of got to this point now.

00:32:19It's been a long road, but it's

00:32:21been worth it.

00:32:23Oh, my God.

00:32:25That's loud. That's loud.

00:32:27Some celebration.

00:32:29Some really loud celebration here.

00:32:31Did you just gangway me?

00:32:33No, I just put up a video,

00:32:35but the volume is too high.

00:32:37Okay.

00:32:39Yeah, we're just looking at some Gino,

00:32:41some people on the court. That's just celebration

00:32:43stuff. We got some video here.

00:32:45No, just some stuff

00:32:47from before when Wick took the court

00:32:49and they're taking the podium here.

00:32:51Just some good stuff here. A little bit of flavor.

00:32:53I'm going to have to grab

00:32:55some confetti.

00:32:57I might have to sell some confetti

00:32:59on eBay or something. There's a lot of it.

00:33:01There's a lot of confetti.

00:33:03I have bags of confetti from almost every

00:33:05championship.

00:33:07I should have

00:33:09labeled it. I have it from Patriots.

00:33:11I've got dirt from the infields from every World Series.

00:33:13Yeah, I'm that guy.

00:33:15Flex on him, John.

00:33:17You're that nerd.

00:33:19I'm that nerd. I did it.

00:33:21You have to send it in

00:33:23to get it

00:33:25graded and stuff.

00:33:27I gave it away at

00:33:29one of those swaps

00:33:31that you do.

00:33:33That's what Darin Rivelle would do.

00:33:35He'd find some and go...

00:33:37Oh, Yankee swap. There was brawls over the infield dirt

00:33:39for a Red Sox championship at one of those things.

00:33:41It got intense.

00:33:43As we said,

00:33:45I'm almost afraid to do this because

00:33:47he's not always the most exciting guy in the world,

00:33:49but an NBA champion, no doubt,

00:33:51the one who won one in 2008,

00:33:53Ray Allen was here.

00:33:59We're going to hear from Ray on this team

00:34:01and this championship. Here we go.

00:34:03In the building, one-third of the big three, 2008's

00:34:05big three.

00:34:07What's it like to be back here in Boston?

00:34:09You just took in that moment.

00:34:11Once again, the NBA champion, 2024 champ.

00:34:13Take me through it, man.

00:34:15The energy to be here.

00:34:17I always tell people

00:34:19that if you're a

00:34:21fevered fan base,

00:34:23specifically in the NBA finals,

00:34:25there's no better place to be here

00:34:27in the Garden of Boston.

00:34:29Just being here, just brought so many old memories.

00:34:31So glad to experience this.

00:34:33I was here two years ago and it didn't end up so well.

00:34:35That's why I'm sure

00:34:37for the guys that were here then,

00:34:39this is so amazing.

00:34:41Such a

00:34:43perfect moment for them.

00:34:45You go through so much struggle,

00:34:47but to be able to get to the mountaintop is amazing.

00:34:51And there you have Ray Allen.

00:34:53Ray Allen.

00:34:55We don't see enough of that guy.

00:34:57A little 90-second audience with Ray?

00:34:59We don't see enough Ray around town.

00:35:01It would have been cool to get more of the O.A. team

00:35:03here tonight, but it's not about the O.A. team.

00:35:05This is about the

00:35:07this year's team, 2024.

00:35:09There's a new bomb-ass squad in the building.

00:35:11The Celtics are built on tradition

00:35:13and having the former greats coming through.

00:35:15That's one of the great things about it.

00:35:17Paul's pretty much the only one.

00:35:19Paul spent a lot of time with the Celtics team this year.

00:35:21Off-season, before the season started.

00:35:23A lot of time with Tatum.

00:35:25I have a feeling he's somewhere

00:35:27celebrating, maybe celebrating a little too hard.

00:35:29Celebrating in his own special way.

00:35:31Hopefully, he'll be on live tonight, Paul.

00:35:33Still shouting out some of the superchats.

00:35:35Tony Lewis, a long-time viewer.

00:35:37Found this show back in 2020 in the bubble.

00:35:39Never imagined it would be a great regular part of my life.

00:35:41Four years and counting.

00:35:43Love the show, love the chat, love the Celtics.

00:35:45We are the champions, my friends.

00:35:47Thank you, Tony. Tony's here every single night.

00:35:49We do appreciate it.

00:35:51It is amazing. It's a good payoff.

00:35:53Is everything

00:35:55we've said

00:35:57about this team? I just want to ask

00:35:59the chat. Is everything forgiven?

00:36:01Some of the wild shit

00:36:03that we said over time.

00:36:07We're just messing around.

00:36:09We're just talking, right?

00:36:11We're just doing the jokes.

00:36:13You, me.

00:36:17Remember when you

00:36:19did that thing? It's crazy.

00:36:21I was going through some

00:36:23stuff personally at the time.

00:36:25I didn't mean it.

00:36:27I don't even know what I said.

00:36:29I was blacked out.

00:36:31Really.

00:36:33I don't remember

00:36:35two straight years in a row.

00:36:37Somebody put it in my

00:36:39mentions today.

00:36:41It just shows that you care.

00:36:43Where's the rage

00:36:45come from or where does some of that stuff

00:36:47when you see some stuff?

00:36:49Have you

00:36:51ever had a group of people

00:36:53yell at each other more over a 19-point

00:36:55lead as we did upstairs in the press box?

00:36:57You, me and

00:36:59Bobby. I was grabbing

00:37:01Bobby and shaking him.

00:37:03Why did he do

00:37:05that? He's like, dude,

00:37:07stop touching me. I was like, okay.

00:37:09It's like I'm trying to type.

00:37:11We're just

00:37:13raging at a 25-point

00:37:15lead being like, lazy play.

00:37:17Lazy play right there.

00:37:19It should be 40.

00:37:21You know what it is, John? We're not

00:37:23enablers. That's what I always

00:37:25stand on. We are not enablers.

00:37:27If we see something that we don't like,

00:37:29we're going to call it out.

00:37:31That doesn't mean that we don't think they can change.

00:37:33People can change.

00:37:35What else are you going to do?

00:37:37Sweat. That's all I've been doing.

00:37:39A lot of sweating.

00:37:41We actually never know that.

00:37:43You were sweating it out.

00:37:45We can hear you. You were sweating it out

00:37:47up on nine with me watching

00:37:49the confetti

00:37:51flying down there.

00:37:53You weren't sweating by then, but you were a little nervous

00:37:55in that second half, were you?

00:37:57I was quite nervous

00:37:59until then. I was pretty nervous.

00:38:01No, I wasn't nervous at all.

00:38:03Not once

00:38:05the entire game.

00:38:07No, I really wasn't. I got to be honest with you.

00:38:09I was very confident.

00:38:11When the body language is that good,

00:38:13and when

00:38:15the body language is that good,

00:38:17their defense is that good, they're hustling,

00:38:19the energy, you can't beat that team.

00:38:21They're the best team in the league

00:38:23all year.

00:38:25They play with focus.

00:38:27Focus.

00:38:29It's not even an issue. The talent is top

00:38:31of the list.

00:38:33It goes above pretty much anyone in the league.

00:38:35When you combine that with the focus

00:38:37that we saw in this game,

00:38:39there's only one end result, and that is

00:38:41whoever they're playing, about to get that ass kicked.

00:38:43Dallas,

00:38:45give them props for getting this far.

00:38:47They had to knock off some pretty damn good teams out west.

00:38:49Doing that

00:38:51is going to take a lot out of you.

00:38:53Doing that often requires guys

00:38:55to play way above their pay grade,

00:38:57and they did.

00:38:59Come back to this place we call Earth.

00:39:01About to teach you a lesson.

00:39:03No disrespect, Derek Jones,

00:39:05but you're not that guy.

00:39:07The reason why

00:39:09you were let loose

00:39:11in Charlotte, because they're rebuilding

00:39:13and you're not part of that process.

00:39:15Gafford, you were Porzingis's

00:39:17backup in Washington.

00:39:19You were the backup center.

00:39:21Now you're a starter.

00:39:23That tells you a lot.

00:39:25Give them credit for getting there, but at the end of the day,

00:39:27the Celtics were the better team.

00:39:29Town wins out in the NBA, or at least it's supposed to

00:39:31in most cases, and especially in a seven-game series.

00:39:33I think we could all tell

00:39:35after game one that the Celtics

00:39:37were the much better team in the series

00:39:39in that it really had no business

00:39:41going any further than

00:39:43five games. Really, it went the way

00:39:45we thought it should go

00:39:47and how it would go.

00:39:49I have them in five. I know John had them in five.

00:39:51I know Ahmed had them in five. I think you had them in five or six.

00:39:53Five. There you go, five.

00:39:55Five.

00:39:57Five for Nick.

00:39:59I wonder would it have been a sweep

00:40:01had Porzingis been 100% healthy.

00:40:03Oh, I think so.

00:40:05I think so.

00:40:07That game four was a wild one.

00:40:09It ends up being a gentlemen's sweep, which happens.

00:40:11Dallas avoided the embarrassment.

00:40:13They saved face by getting that one win.

00:40:15That's it.

00:40:17When it comes to what the Celtics did,

00:40:19you know,

00:40:21you've got to respect them.

00:40:23This is why I said,

00:40:25because I already know what's going to happen

00:40:27and Beat already hinted to it.

00:40:29Players were hurt.

00:40:31It happens every playoff season.

00:40:33The Celtics already know

00:40:35that they're going to have to go out there

00:40:37next year and prove themselves all over again.

00:40:39Here's what pisses me off about that whole premise though.

00:40:41Golden State, when they won their first championship,

00:40:43had the same

00:40:45crash. They played teams

00:40:47that had at least one starter

00:40:49in every single series.

00:40:51Yet, we don't talk about that.

00:40:53The reason why? Because they went on

00:40:55and won four championships.

00:40:57That's the only way to stop that kind of nonsense.

00:40:59You have to do it over and over again.

00:41:03People are going to just automatically

00:41:05say, the Jays are great

00:41:07working together. They can do it.

00:41:09You've got to do it two, three, four more times

00:41:11before people are going to be comfortable saying,

00:41:13okay, you're right. We have no

00:41:15argument against their greatness

00:41:17because they keep winning championships.

00:41:19That might end up being a good thing

00:41:21because you know how hard it is

00:41:23not only to win once, but to

00:41:25win again.

00:41:27Talk to Denver.

00:41:29All those extra games that you have to play.

00:41:31You've got to get the target on your back. You've got to find

00:41:33motivation now. That's motivation

00:41:35right there. Guess what? You just won a title and

00:41:37tomorrow or the next day,

00:41:39you're still going to be disrespected.

00:41:41People are still going to look at you and say, nah, that doesn't count.

00:41:43Which is BS, let's be honest.

00:41:45It's still going to happen because that's

00:41:47what we do. When I talk to players

00:41:49who won championships and we talk about

00:41:51just that following season, the one

00:41:53thing that they said that they never really anticipated

00:41:55was kind of the subconscious

00:41:57reality that you know

00:41:59once the playoffs start, you can be the last team standing.

00:42:01But you've got to take the step

00:42:03to prepare yourself to be that

00:42:05team. Sometimes when you win a championship,

00:42:07you don't do that. Sometimes

00:42:09you are comfortable with just

00:42:11going through the motions, thinking

00:42:13that once the playoffs roll around, we'll just

00:42:15flip a switch and we'll be great.

00:42:17And that's not how these guys do it.

00:42:19That's why it's so hard. That's why a team like Denver,

00:42:21they had a solid

00:42:23regular season, but they weren't able to put enough

00:42:25distance and frankly grow enough

00:42:27in the regular season to withstand

00:42:29the postseason and some of the

00:42:31hard times that they went through.

00:42:33I don't know about the Celtics.

00:42:35No one's going to argue that the West wasn't more competitive

00:42:37than the East. No one's going to argue that.

00:42:39Celtics don't pick the schedule.

00:42:41And to their credit, they beat the shit out of

00:42:43everybody that they played against.

00:42:45It wasn't like they squeaked out these seniors.

00:42:47And they played those teams during the regular season

00:42:49and had a pretty damn good record against most of them.

00:42:51Yeah, I mean,

00:42:53it sucks to suck

00:42:55if you're one of those teams. Sorry.

00:42:57Sherrod,

00:42:59part of winning a championship is being

00:43:01available and being healthy. That's part of it.

00:43:03Sherrod, you saw

00:43:05this in Detroit, right? You saw

00:43:07Detroit win and what

00:43:09was the celebration?

00:43:11No, did you see a Celtics

00:43:13championship? Were you here?

00:43:15Oh, my bad.

00:43:17Give me the contrast

00:43:19and comparison of

00:43:21Detroit's

00:43:23crowd craziness versus this.

00:43:25Well, the Detroit

00:43:27situation was very different because they were the underdog.

00:43:29I mean, remember that Lakers team had

00:43:31the usual Kobe, Shaq,

00:43:33they also had Karl Malone, Gary Payton

00:43:35at the end of their careers. So they were

00:43:37a very star-studded team that was

00:43:39just steam rollover in business.

00:43:41But Ben Wallace,

00:43:43I've never seen anyone to finish Shaquille O'Neal

00:43:45as well as Ben Wallace did over a

00:43:47stretch of period. Rasheed Wallace was

00:43:49probably in the best shape of his basketball

00:43:51life. Chauncey Gillis.

00:43:53And remember,

00:43:55that 0-4 team, the NBA

00:43:57rules as far as how you could defend

00:43:59changed after that because Lindsey Hunter, Mike

00:44:01James, both spent a

00:44:03hot minute in Boston. They were able to be

00:44:05much more physical and

00:44:07that was one of those things where the league said,

00:44:09no, no, no, we can't have this happen again.

00:44:11And so that created more freedom of movement

00:44:13for players after that team

00:44:15won the title. But the biggest

00:44:17difference is that the Celtics fan base,

00:44:19this is what they expected. They

00:44:21expected when the last game was played

00:44:23that it would be a celebratory

00:44:25victorious moment in Boston.

00:44:27The Pistons, yeah, it was

00:44:29kind of cool getting to the finals. And then

00:44:31after they won a couple games, it's like, well, shit,

00:44:33let's just win this thing. And

00:44:35they did that. They won it in five games just like the Celtics did.

00:44:37I can tell you one big difference,

00:44:39Sherrod. One big difference here,

00:44:41the big difference might be you

00:44:43didn't have a hard hat in Detroit.

00:44:45You're right.

00:44:47Give me a hit.

00:44:49I don't even feel it.

00:44:51I don't even feel it.

00:44:53Feels great, man. I'm telling you,

00:44:55these things are legit. If Derek White was wearing one

00:44:57tonight, guess what?

00:44:59If he was

00:45:01out there playing with a hard hat like he should have been,

00:45:03he'd be fine right now.

00:45:05He should be the honorary hard hat captain.

00:45:07Because he takes more licks

00:45:09than any one of the team.

00:45:11You guys

00:45:13hear me okay?

00:45:15Some guys

00:45:17walked in a couple times and being like,

00:45:19how are you going to be?

00:45:21Just trying to acknowledge the Super Chats with Jimmy

00:45:23yells at me for doing, but you know,

00:45:25for not doing, but

00:45:27B. Tony, thanks for the awesome year of coverage, fellas.

00:45:29Banner 18, thank you very much, guys.

00:45:31Thank you to everybody who's contributed so far.

00:45:33Nick, jump back in.

00:45:35You can ask your question here.

00:45:37B. Tony

00:45:39Vicente.

00:45:41Did you guys discuss

00:45:43the MVP?

00:45:45John, I thought that would be your number one topic.

00:45:47No, it's my literally

00:45:49number 100 topic. I could not

00:45:51care less about who wins the MVP.

00:45:53I find it to be the dumbest.

00:45:55But the one who did,

00:45:57John.

00:45:59When we

00:46:01were talking Eastern Conference Finals MVP,

00:46:03I was like, who

00:46:05won it last year?

00:46:07I have no idea.

00:46:09It doesn't matter.

00:46:11The one point

00:46:13that Jimmy made about this, and I think it's

00:46:15a really good point, is that unlike

00:46:17most teams, there's usually one or two guys

00:46:19and you're like, oh yeah, it's either him or him.

00:46:21The Celtics had four guys at one

00:46:23point who you could make a legitimate case.

00:46:25It speaks to how good they are.

00:46:27You really can't lock in on one or two guys

00:46:29and expect, if we just limit those two guys,

00:46:31we're going to win. I mean, Tatum, I thought,

00:46:33for many stretches throughout the postseason,

00:46:35was not very good. And the Celtics

00:46:37were still winning by 10, 15, 20 points.

00:46:39Because other guys stepped up.

00:46:41To John's point, you're right.

00:46:43The actual naming of the MVP is irrelevant.

00:46:45To me, more important is the fact

00:46:47that you've got a roster where

00:46:49you can't lock in on one or two

00:46:51guys and expect to beat them.

00:46:53For Dallas, if Luca and Kyrie

00:46:55have a bad game, you'll win them

00:46:57on a bad night by 15.

00:46:59But if Tatum and Brown struggle,

00:47:01you still might lose by 7 or 8 points

00:47:03if Derek White gets it done.

00:47:07Speaking of struggle, do you guys want to hear

00:47:09some Luca tears?

00:47:11Yes, please.

00:47:13And again, he rebounded

00:47:15to have a decent stat line,

00:47:17but honestly, they made it really difficult on him.

00:47:19Him not being able to hit a 3 here

00:47:21I think really killed them. But here's Luca

00:47:23Luca tears.

00:47:27Luca,

00:47:29can you put your feelings into words?

00:47:31Obviously, tough loss,

00:47:33but you guys really had a great season.

00:47:35I know it's not easy to think about right now,

00:47:37but what's going through your head right now?

00:47:39Nothing.

00:47:47Now that the series is over,

00:47:49how much

00:47:51were you hurting?

00:47:53It doesn't matter if I was hurt.

00:47:55How much was I hurt?

00:47:57I was out there trying to play,

00:47:59but

00:48:01I didn't do enough.

00:48:15He kind of played like that all series.

00:48:17That was just the vibe I got from Luca

00:48:19from game one on.

00:48:21That's his game.

00:48:23There has never been a shot that he's missed

00:48:25where he didn't get fouled.

00:48:27And he lets the referees know it

00:48:29every single time.

00:48:31We talk about Tatum.

00:48:33Luca is a thousand times worse than Tatum

00:48:35when it comes to the demonstrative

00:48:37I can't believe you missed that foul call.

00:48:41Luca was out there, and here's the thing.

00:48:43Even if he wasn't 100%,

00:48:45he still was impactful.

00:48:47He's a top-level player.

00:48:49Anyone who doesn't think he's a top-two, top-three player,

00:48:51you are fooling no one but yourself.

00:48:53And he showed

00:48:55what he could do when he's locked in defensively.

00:48:57He's not a great defender,

00:48:59but he doesn't suck nearly as bad

00:49:01as he looked throughout the course of this postseason.

00:49:03If there's one thing

00:49:05that if I'm the Dallas Mavericks,

00:49:07I'm going to do with Luca,

00:49:09I'm going to get him a legitimate offseason trainer.

00:49:11Because his ass needs to be in better shape.

00:49:13That, to me,

00:49:15that to me

00:49:17is what's going to keep him from winning

00:49:19a championship.

00:49:21Maybe it was a wake-up call.

00:49:23I don't know if it was, but it should have been.

00:49:25It's a whole other level when you get up to this stage.

00:49:29If you want to talk about

00:49:31the Celtics in that

00:49:33facet,

00:49:35do you see anybody

00:49:37get tired?

00:49:39They're all wrecked.

00:49:41I think Drew Holiday isn't ready.

00:49:43Holiday, White,

00:49:45Horford in peak condition at 38.

00:49:47Of course that matters.

00:49:49That's a big, big deal.

00:49:51They knew just simply.

00:49:53I just keep leaning on this guy until he gives up.

00:49:55And guys, if anyone asks you how long

00:49:57you're going to be up there, you say all night.

00:49:59Because this is what this is, and this is our media spot.

00:50:05I'm putting up Jason Tatum here

00:50:07walking down the hallway. Check out Tatum.

00:50:11Oh!

00:50:17Yeah!

00:50:19Yeah!

00:50:25Woo!

00:50:29I love you, dawg.

00:50:33Ah!

00:50:35Ah!

00:50:37Ah!

00:50:39Ah!

00:50:43John, we do have to move.

00:50:47OK.

00:51:03Let's go, Russ!

00:51:09Woo!

00:51:35Some good stuff

00:51:37from those guys celebrating in the hallway.

00:51:39Good stuff, Josue Pavone, sending in that video

00:51:41from the bowels

00:51:43of the TD Garden.

00:51:45Jimmy and

00:51:47Sherrod may or may not

00:51:49have been arrested.

00:51:51So we're going to get

00:51:53to them in a little bit. They're going to move on

00:51:55and try to relocate, I believe.

00:51:57Amit, if you're hearing this,

00:51:59Sherrod and Jimmy

00:52:01might need you to bail them out.

00:52:03Or to move their live shot,

00:52:05as it were.

00:52:07Let's move back. We want to hear from...

00:52:09Again, this was a big storyline, Nick.

00:52:11We talked about this on the way in.

00:52:13You know,

00:52:15Kyrie and...

00:52:17Getting in his head.

00:52:19Not only was he

00:52:21ineffective, he was borderline

00:52:23invisible at times. I kind of forgot that he was there.

00:52:25They weren't going through him.

00:52:27He wasn't assertive. He disappeared

00:52:29for big chunks of time.

00:52:31They really made things difficult on him.

00:52:33Again, he's going to, every once in a while,

00:52:35do something really fancy and make a tricky shot or two.

00:52:37But, for the most part,

00:52:39they kept him in check.

00:52:41This was his third real clunker

00:52:43at

00:52:45TD Garden in this series.

00:52:47And we said that... I mean, third real clunker,

00:52:49period.

00:52:51I take that...

00:52:53He had one good game against them.

00:52:55One really good game.

00:52:57We said

00:52:59it about them here beforehand.

00:53:01They have to win.

00:53:03They need both Luca and Kyrie to put up

00:53:05monster games to be competitive.

00:53:07I didn't really believe that

00:53:09the

00:53:11Dallas bench could repeat

00:53:13what it did last time.

00:53:15But the amount of talking that Kyrie did

00:53:17and getting it in his head...

00:53:19And here's Kyrie after the game talking about it again.

00:53:21However he wants to spin the narrative,

00:53:23I think it's giving the Celtics credit.

00:53:25Probably for his mentorship.

00:53:27Yeah, of course.

00:53:29You hug a lot of your old teammates,

00:53:31the other guys on the Celtics.

00:53:33As you're walking back to the bench there,

00:53:35what's going through your mind?

00:53:37Obviously at the end of what was a pretty emotional

00:53:39series for you.

00:53:41It was emotional anyway. I mean, every series was

00:53:43emotional. Just because

00:53:45I was just uncertain on how it was going to go

00:53:47and how we were going to respond to a little bit of adversity.

00:53:49We finally ran into a

00:53:51team where

00:53:53they beat us fair and square.

00:53:55We weren't able to respond to a lot of their runs.

00:53:57We weren't able to execute

00:53:59at a high level.

00:54:01When I was shaking everybody's hands, that was more of a sign of respect

00:54:03for their journey.

00:54:05They've been through an incredible

00:54:07five-year span of going to Game 7

00:54:09or losing in the finals.

00:54:11They know what this bitter

00:54:13feeling feels like being up here and answering questions

00:54:15about what does next year hold.

00:54:17I think they used everything as motivation.

00:54:19They were healthy.

00:54:21They really kept their head down

00:54:23and weren't paying attention to any of the

00:54:25personal accolades or individual accolades.

00:54:27That's because you're gone.

00:54:29We're okay with each person being

00:54:31great in their role. Did JB win

00:54:33finals MVP?

00:54:35My guy.

00:54:37My guy.

00:54:39Those two guys

00:54:41in particular have

00:54:43almost been like students

00:54:45and as well now becoming teachers in their own right.

00:54:47To see them accomplish

00:54:49that, I'm really proud.

00:54:51I'm going to react.

00:54:53I'm going to get back to this position

00:54:55in the next few years with my guys

00:54:57and be able to win this thing.

00:54:59I just want to point out.

00:55:01First off, students,

00:55:03I don't want to get into it.

00:55:05I do want to point out

00:55:07two things.

00:55:09One, I don't actually care

00:55:11enough to get deeply into this.

00:55:13We'll just spend a little bit of time on it.

00:55:15Number two,

00:55:17that was

00:55:19all.

00:55:21Just so everyone knows, one sentence

00:55:23and one breath. It's

00:55:25unreal how he can do that.

00:55:27Go ahead, Nick.

00:55:29Obi-Kairi Kenobi,

00:55:31being he mentored

00:55:33all our guys because now they're winning.

00:55:35He fucking set this franchise

00:55:37back at least two years.

00:55:39That guy is smug.

00:55:41He deserved every boo

00:55:43he got.

00:55:45I was, as a fan

00:55:47slash more fan side than

00:55:49media, I was very, very proud

00:55:51of the fans here for booing him

00:55:53because they got in his head.

00:55:55I can now close the door

00:55:57on Kyrie Irving because

00:55:59he blocked me. I'm on the block list.

00:56:01That's how much I would

00:56:03go at him.

00:56:05I don't hate anybody

00:56:07but I can't fucking stand

00:56:09that guy. Now he's gone.

00:56:11We can wash our hands of him.

00:56:13Let me tell you something. He only

00:56:15taught the Jays

00:56:17how to

00:56:19be difficult.

00:56:21I think he set them back to a

00:56:23degree being here with the things that he said

00:56:25and did. I'm glad he's

00:56:27gone. I'm so glad we're

00:56:29in his head as we are.

00:56:31I don't

00:56:33need to be angry with him anymore

00:56:35because we beat

00:56:37him and the Celtics beat him.

00:56:39That's that.

00:56:41That's my Kyrie take.

00:56:43The funny thing is and Judah is right and this is why

00:56:45we don't spend a ton of time on Kyrie is

00:56:47because I don't need

00:56:49validation to know

00:56:51that most of what he says is nonsense. I think

00:56:53he's a person who really needs the narrative

00:56:55to be what he wants it to be and that's why he

00:56:57talks so much because he really wants

00:56:59to set the narrative on whatever it is that he's

00:57:01talking about here. That's fine.

00:57:03But wait a minute.

00:57:05Let me finish the sentence.

00:57:07Judah points out here because I was putting up this comment.

00:57:09The fans hated him. The players did not.

00:57:11Most of those guys say, yeah, we hit some bumps

00:57:13but we were happy.

00:57:15We like Kyrie. They respect him.

00:57:17They like him. Players actually like him.

00:57:19This really is just

00:57:21fan rage, boomer rage sort of

00:57:23stuff but the most important thing

00:57:25Nick is getting

00:57:27in his head which you guys did whether

00:57:29you guys came to the game

00:57:31or not or just put stuff

00:57:33into the ether through social

00:57:35media or whatever. He heard all of it.

00:57:37He heard all of it.

00:57:39You get an assist

00:57:41for that because it absolutely

00:57:43made a difference. Derek White

00:57:45by the way, talking about making a difference.

00:57:47Derek White left half of his face on the

00:57:49court tonight.

00:57:51And then hit a three.

00:57:53It's what he did. He left half of his course.

00:57:55There's so many things you can

00:57:57count on Derek White to do and one of them

00:57:59is hit one ridiculous

00:58:01bailout three after a

00:58:03horrible possession when somebody just tosses

00:58:05him a grenade with no time left on the

00:58:07shot clock and he just flips

00:58:09up and goes. Here is Derek White

00:58:11talking at the podium after the game.

00:58:13Second row on your right.

00:58:15Derek, when this team traded for

00:58:17you two years ago, they were going through a

00:58:19rough patch at the start of the season. To go from

00:58:21there to now, I know you just reflected on being a champion

00:58:23but that journey with this group

00:58:25of guys, what has that process

00:58:27meant? They've talked a lot about instilling confidence

00:58:29in you. You've talked about it too.

00:58:31That journey, what has it been like?

00:58:33At the moment I got

00:58:35traded I was

00:58:37disappointed but

00:58:39you're in San Antonio,

00:58:41that's all I knew.

00:58:43It's such a blessing to be a

00:58:45part of this roster.

00:58:47They just drive me in so many different

00:58:49ways from top to bottom.

00:58:51I'm just so thankful and grateful for each

00:58:53and every one of them.

00:58:57They made me a better player,

00:58:59made me a better person and the city of Boston

00:59:01and everything has just been amazing for me.

00:59:03That sounds

00:59:05to me like a guy ready to take a little bit of a hometown

00:59:07discount and re-sign here. That's just

00:59:09the way I view it.

00:59:11Nick, are you eating and leaving

00:59:13your microphone down? That's okay.

00:59:15If I'm him, I don't know

00:59:17that I would take a hometown discount but I

00:59:19think you're right. It sounds that way.

00:59:21The Celtics can only extend him by so much.

00:59:23He's either going to take a low market

00:59:25deal at $26-27 million

00:59:27or go to free agency

00:59:29and get paid. That's all they have.

00:59:31He

00:59:33might do it.

00:59:35Jimmy, Sherrod, give me a thumbs up when you guys

00:59:37are good to go. I know you relocated up there.

00:59:39They're good. I'm going to bring these guys back in here

00:59:41and throw them in here

00:59:43into the big screen.

00:59:45The good news is the hardhats

00:59:47are in town.

00:59:49The hardhats made it.

00:59:51We got booted from one room

00:59:53but they can't kick us out of the

00:59:55whole garden.

00:59:57We just go from room

00:59:59to room to room.

01:00:01We'll be here all damn night

01:00:03just like John said.

01:00:05Spent too many nights here

01:00:07after losses

01:00:09to leave early after a night

01:00:11after the ultimate wins.

01:00:13I ain't leaving!

01:00:15I ain't leaving!

01:00:17We should

01:00:19point out, I don't know if Nick said it

01:00:21while I was gone a little bit but

01:00:23for Jimmy being

01:00:25at the garden, I know you guys don't see him there

01:00:27a lot but Jimmy's an OG,

01:00:29CLNS Media OG where he

01:00:31and Nick Jelso and some other guy,

01:00:33I can't remember his name, used to do stuff at the

01:00:35garden all the

01:00:37time after games.

01:00:39That was a little blunt.

01:00:41They were

01:00:43very much CLNS Media before I

01:00:45even discovered who they were and what they were doing.

01:00:47I'm like, oh, I know

01:00:49Jimmy. Jimmy's that guy.

01:00:51John sent me a text.

01:00:53Yeah, but

01:00:55Jimmy and I worked together

01:00:57at NBC Sports Boston. I'm like,

01:00:59Jimmy's on the court doing Jimmy things. I love that.

01:01:01He's always been doing that.

01:01:03Yeah, Jimmy, it may

01:01:05look new to you but this is actually

01:01:07old school with Jimmy down there.

01:01:09Old school. Having Jimmy down there.

01:01:11Having Jimmy there tonight brought back

01:01:13good memories.

01:01:15Dude, I used to follow you around

01:01:17like you were training me. I was like a puppy dog.

01:01:19Where's Jimmy? I didn't know where to go.

01:01:21I did a horrible job apparently.

01:01:23I quit since then.

01:01:25Now you're back and we're both here.

01:01:27You broke him, Jimmy. You broke him.

01:01:29I can't believe Sharad Blakely is here.

01:01:31Sharad, to have Sharad

01:01:33on this broadcast is

01:01:35unbelievable. Sharad, to have you part

01:01:37of our family now, incredible.

01:01:39I'm going to start crying, guys.

01:01:41I cried in a way. I'm going to start crying.

01:01:43It's a little surreal.

01:01:45It's a little surreal. I'm standing next to Sharad.

01:01:47We both got the hard hats on. I remember when I was working

01:01:49the desk at NBC.

01:01:51He was doing his thing.

01:01:53I was taking his knowledge.

01:01:55I was posting it up on the

01:01:57computer there for everyone to read.

01:01:59Then John was doing the TV stuff and now here we are.

01:02:01All these years later.

01:02:03Clearly I did not do a good job.

01:02:05The TV stuff.

01:02:07I got tired of letting you guys do all the

01:02:09talking so I decided to jump and follow up.

01:02:11Now we got more damn

01:02:13press passes than any other media outlet

01:02:15probably in New England right now.

01:02:17Don't tell anybody.

01:02:19I think

01:02:21they just lost count.

01:02:23We got seven

01:02:25guys here plus Sharad out there

01:02:27doing work. Like I said, we will get Bobby Manning

01:02:29on here at some point. I told them to bring

01:02:31a poncho. I don't know if he did.

01:02:33You're supposed to wear a poncho

01:02:35and goggles in the locker room.

01:02:37Poncho, Bobby, I said it would have went viral.

01:02:39It would have went viral.

01:02:41We're going to start selling ponchos.

01:02:43It was not KOC who I was throwing

01:02:45shade at.

01:02:47KOC is also an NBC guy

01:02:49who was working at the coffee house

01:02:51before the ringer

01:02:53scooped him up. I have nothing

01:02:55but deep affinity for

01:02:57KOC.

01:02:59He joined us the other day.

01:03:01We like everybody.

01:03:03We told Bobby to get a poncho

01:03:05and he's going to bring his wet puppy ass

01:03:07onto the show here, all drenched.

01:03:09Again, you know.

01:03:11Did he get soaked? Did he get a Luke shower?

01:03:13I hope so.

01:03:15He's got that face

01:03:17where if you see Bobby walking, you're just going to spray him.

01:03:19Let's be real. He's an easy target.

01:03:21There he is. I'm getting him.

01:03:23She got me in Detroit.

01:03:25Did he?

01:03:27Probably with a Bud Light.

01:03:29Cornette got Bobby in the locker room

01:03:31tonight.

01:03:33That's Bobby's dream.

01:03:37Good for Bobby.

01:03:39Good for Joe's play. Those guys have been

01:03:41covering the team for a long

01:03:43season or a number of years.

01:03:45Good for them.

01:03:47I told Bobby.

01:03:49I was sitting next to Bobby. I said,

01:03:51Bobby, smile, man.

01:03:53Don't be so serious. Take a look.

01:03:55Take a look around. Take a look in.

01:03:59We've done our little

01:04:01walk down memory lane. We are waiting to hear

01:04:03from some of the guys in the locker room. We will get some of that

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01:05:57Listen, I know you stack

01:05:59your supplements

01:06:01with beef livers or whatever

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01:06:29Once those are gone, they're gone. You got the

01:06:31white ones. Those ones are

01:06:33clean, man. Yeah, they are.

01:06:35And it says Banner 18 on the

01:06:37side. That makes it literally

01:06:39a Banner 18 edition hard hat. We're going to start

01:06:41making these sneakers.

01:06:43This is the hard hat

01:06:451TE

01:06:47title edition.

01:06:49You know what I mean? This is the 1TE

01:06:51right now. Next year, it'll be

01:06:53the 2. We'll see what we can...

01:06:55We'll see what we whip up in the lab.

01:06:57We'll see what we whip up in the lab, but

01:06:59these things are going to be... The green

01:07:01stays, but the limited

01:07:03editions are going to be running its course.

01:07:05If you like how it looks, don't sleep.

01:07:07Don't sleep on it, because once it's gone, it's gone.

01:07:09You might even want to create a city edition. Maybe

01:07:11go with a black one?

01:07:13Ooh.

01:07:15Don't tell them we're going black, because then they're not going to... I got to get the white

01:07:17ones out first.

01:07:19I like that idea, though.

01:07:21I like that idea, the black. Maybe for next

01:07:23year. Maybe next season.

01:07:25I got to save some of them for next year. This is supposed

01:07:27to be a dynasty, so I can't unleash

01:07:29all the colors in the first year.

01:07:31Jimmy, what do you think about a t-shirt

01:07:33holiday weekend? It's a

01:07:35holiday weekend.

01:07:37Yeah, Nick, just leave the merch to me.

01:07:39Leave the merch to me, Nick.

01:07:41I was like, okay. That's enough merch talk.

01:07:43Back to basketball and back to

01:07:45Al Horford. He had the dubious

01:07:47distinction of being one of the

01:07:49losingest guys who was

01:07:51such a winner in life and in his career,

01:07:53but he never won a championship, and I can't

01:07:55second to Carl Malone.

01:07:59I don't remember the exact number, but it was

01:08:01a dubious distinction.

01:08:03Never to be talked of again. It was a dubious

01:08:05distinction and one that he didn't necessarily

01:08:07want to be part of,

01:08:09and a lot of people had this kind of win-it-for-Al

01:08:11mentality, and Horford came

01:08:13back in a big way tonight, and he played a really big

01:08:15role. Again, those stats aren't going to

01:08:17absolutely pop off the page, but you can see it, and again,

01:08:19we said this in the pregame, too, Sharon.

01:08:21He was well

01:08:23rested. He knew he had to carry the load. The Celtics

01:08:25got what they needed out of Kristaps Porzingis

01:08:27to give Al enough juice, and

01:08:29he knew where they were going with it in that fourth quarter.

01:08:31They brought him out, and then they brought all the starters

01:08:33back in to wrap this thing up, bring

01:08:35home banner 18 with seven minutes to go, so

01:08:37Horford was absolutely integral

01:08:39in tonight's plan, but the entire finals run,

01:08:41particularly when Porzingis went out,

01:08:43he wasn't the sixth man anymore.

01:08:45He was now a starter and

01:08:47essential to what the Celtics

01:08:49were doing here. Let's bring Al

01:08:51Horford here from the podium on to

01:08:53the stage to listen to what he had to say after the game.

01:08:55I'm so grateful.

01:08:57I know I've said it before, but

01:08:59it's glory to

01:09:01the Lord for me, for putting me

01:09:03in this position. It's

01:09:05been a lot of years.

01:09:07I don't think it's

01:09:09sunk in yet. I'm

01:09:11going through emotions right now, but

01:09:13I don't feel like it's

01:09:15over. This is an

01:09:17unbelievable feeling. Yeah, the confetti,

01:09:19everything's going on, but it just

01:09:21hasn't hit me yet. I never forget

01:09:23what Danny Ainge told me in that meeting. He said,

01:09:25you can win

01:09:27championships in

01:09:29many places, but there's nothing

01:09:31like winning in Boston and nothing

01:09:33like winning as a Celtic, and

01:09:35that stuck with me from that meeting, and I was

01:09:37like, man, I'm trying to be great, and

01:09:39that's what I want, and the

01:09:41fact that it has

01:09:43happened,

01:09:45JT, JB stepping up

01:09:47their way and leading us,

01:09:49it's special.

01:09:51Jay, standing in the back.

01:09:55That was awesome.

01:09:57That was great.

01:09:59I gotta say,

01:10:01he's one guy

01:10:03you just have to be happy for,

01:10:05and on top

01:10:07of that,

01:10:09am I muted? No.

01:10:11Thank you, Mike. I'm just going to have some thank yous

01:10:13here as the Super Chats come in, so don't

01:10:15mind me. Thank you, Mike.

01:10:17I also think that we need to give

01:10:19Danny Ainge a little credit for assembling

01:10:21so much of this team,

01:10:23and Al just did that. That was good to hear,

01:10:25and I saw John's face.

01:10:27I don't care. Give Danny Ainge a little

01:10:29credit, but Al Horford,

01:10:31man, I couldn't have been more happy for him,

01:10:33and he did, I mean,

01:10:35if you think about it,

01:10:37it was full circle, because if it wasn't

01:10:39for him, the Celtics wouldn't have

01:10:41gone as far as they did with Chris Stapps

01:10:43who, of course, is getting injured.

01:10:45Owing Al a ton

01:10:47at 38 years old to be able to

01:10:49contribute the way he has

01:10:51and just be such a professional

01:10:53and such a mentor,

01:10:55Kyrie Obie, Kyrie Kenobi

01:10:57can talk about mentoring

01:10:59Jalen and Jason all he wants, but the

01:11:01truth is, I think we all know, Al

01:11:03Horford's been the biggest mentor to all

01:11:05of these guys, the younger guys on the team.

01:11:07Al, Uncle Al.

01:11:09No doubt about that.

01:11:11Al's great, and everybody knows it,

01:11:13but, I mean, you have to

01:11:15not to discredit anything

01:11:17Danny did, because Danny brought in Tatum,

01:11:19brought in Brown, manipulated the draft

01:11:21to be able to get that, got the core,

01:11:23that also included Marcus Smart, which

01:11:25then turns into Chris Stapps for Zingas,

01:11:27so obviously the baseline is here, but

01:11:29you have to give Brad Stevens credit for

01:11:31basically what we thought was being

01:11:33fired up into the

01:11:35GM role, which didn't make sense to

01:11:37a lot of people at the time, because

01:11:39nobody had any

01:11:41inclination that that was something that Brad

01:11:43wanted to do, and I

01:11:45don't know that you can hit more home runs than

01:11:47Brad Stevens did in almost every

01:11:49single move that he made.

01:11:51Really remarkable, honestly, because

01:11:53you talk about the flipping of Horford

01:11:55for

01:11:57getting off of

01:11:59even though it costs you a pick there, it's something

01:12:01that you had to do. We thought Horford was going to

01:12:03come in here and what, that was

01:12:05three years ago, play what, 18 minutes

01:12:07a night, kind of on the back

01:12:09nine, he hadn't really played the year

01:12:11before. I thought that was a low

01:12:13impact move, not somebody who was going to come

01:12:15in here and be a starter and a core member of your

01:12:17team and a core member of a championship

01:12:19team. Then you talk about the Derek White

01:12:21deal and obviously the big swings

01:12:23this year to turn this roster into

01:12:25what was essentially a cheat code, and

01:12:27that's what kills me about the perception of this team,

01:12:29how people are going to be like, we didn't beat

01:12:31anybody and this and that. You know what?

01:12:33You can't do both things. You can't

01:12:35cry that basically

01:12:37they got gifted Porzingis and Holiday

01:12:39and then also say that they weren't that good.

01:12:41They were and you knew it and you

01:12:43were pissed off about it and you thought it was unfair

01:12:45and that's truly how you felt

01:12:47about this team being

01:12:49assembled. People looked for opportunities

01:12:51to knock them down a little bit here through

01:12:53the East because the East did

01:12:55suck a little bit in terms

01:12:57of how the playoffs, but you have like Embiid

01:12:59out there crying like he did. I thought that

01:13:01that was pathetic. So this was

01:13:03it's really hard to

01:13:05assemble a team with so much

01:13:07veteran talent and so people

01:13:09so uniquely like

01:13:11good at their particular

01:13:13jobs who try hard and who cared

01:13:15about winning as they did here. So

01:13:17I mean, it wasn't as we said the other

01:13:19day, just the better team. They were

01:13:21the best team and they were the best team all year

01:13:23and I think everybody knew it.

01:13:25Yeah, and I mean sometimes when

01:13:27you're looking at executives, it's

01:13:29not necessarily an executive

01:13:31bad, but sometimes another executive is a better

01:13:33fit. You see it happen all the time in

01:13:35coaching. You know, when I was in Detroit, Rick Carlyle

01:13:37did a hell of a job there,

01:13:39but they had a chance to get Larry

01:13:41Brown who did an even better job

01:13:43and won a chip his first year. You

01:13:45look at Danny H, did a hell of a job putting

01:13:47together some really, really good Celtics

01:13:49team. The 018 that won a title

01:13:51that was Danny obviously

01:13:53had a big part of that, but when you look

01:13:55at this championship caliber team, yes,

01:13:57he was able to position him to get

01:13:59David Brown, but it

01:14:01was the addition of Drew Holiday, the

01:14:03addition of Porzingis that put this team over the

01:14:05top and Brad was

01:14:07able to do that and you look at the

01:14:09assets that he used, he didn't have

01:14:11to touch his core at all.

01:14:13In fact, what he did was he

01:14:15got guys on the peripheral and Marcus Smart

01:14:17was a borderline core guy, but you

01:14:19added an even larger piece

01:14:21to your core by moving

01:14:23guys on and Brad deserves

01:14:25a lot of the credit cake for what

01:14:27he was able to do, him and Joe Mazzuolo.

01:14:29But obviously at the end of the day

01:14:31players will get the largest

01:14:33share of that, but you cannot

01:14:35diminish or just look past

01:14:37what Brad was able to do with this roster

01:14:39and obviously what Joe was able to do as a coach

01:14:41of this roster.

01:14:42You just said Joe. John, have we mentioned

01:14:44Joe yet?

01:14:45So it's not fair that we haven't

01:14:47and I think everyone's going to have to eat

01:14:49some here. So first I want everybody in the chat

01:14:51who during the course of the year said

01:14:53they will never win because of Joe.

01:14:55Maybe

01:14:57go ahead and tell us

01:14:59how you feel now. Should we go apology cam?

01:15:01I am not going to be in a damn apology

01:15:03cam to Joe Mazzuolo because I

01:15:05thought he was going to be better

01:15:07all year long.

01:15:09I think Mazzuolo

01:15:11coached his ass off

01:15:13in these finals. He absolutely did.

01:15:15I think he had a terrific game

01:15:17plan. I think he had a good sense of

01:15:19the moment. I think he knew when they were deviating

01:15:21from that plan. I think he made a lot of the

01:15:23right moves and a lot of the right rotations

01:15:25and yeah, can you question something

01:15:27here or there? Yeah, you can't be perfect

01:15:29but he absolutely

01:15:31he did. He

01:15:33attacked. He

01:15:35knew. It was like I said, it's almost

01:15:37Belichickian in the sense that

01:15:39if you do this, we can't

01:15:41lose. And that's kind of the

01:15:43what he set forth, the plan that he set

01:15:45forth here. And when the Mavs would make a

01:15:47little bit of a tweak, he would tweak back

01:15:49a little bit. Okay, they're trying to take this away. We can

01:15:51exploit it by doing this. He knew he had

01:15:53matchups. He knew he could exploit

01:15:55different things that the Mavericks were doing.

01:15:57He did it all series long.

01:15:59He was phenomenal and you could see as

01:16:01it got deeper and deeper into the playoffs,

01:16:03the idea of, and thank you, the

01:16:05Nick Batch, cheers to a winning season. Thank you

01:16:07so much for the Super Chats. Honestly, everybody, we

01:16:09really do appreciate it. It's overwhelming. Thanks, guys.

01:16:11I'm watching this show back tomorrow.

01:16:13I'll be able to see.

01:16:15But he was

01:16:17during the course of

01:16:19the season, a lot of times you'd be like, why isn't Joe

01:16:21stopping this and telling them what to do or doing

01:16:23this thing? And he preached

01:16:25learning

01:16:27and learning through

01:16:29failure and this and that. But when it got to the playoffs,

01:16:31he was jacked

01:16:33up and locked in, possession

01:16:35to possession, up, talking,

01:16:37jumping in, calling a timeout

01:16:39as soon as, it wasn't just to stop runs, as soon

01:16:41as he didn't like something. I hated that

01:16:43possession. Today,

01:16:45a great example

01:16:47of just a good

01:16:49Missoula moment. They went small for

01:16:51a little bit there in that second quarter, and Gafford

01:16:53gets back-to-back dunks on Tatum.

01:16:55After the first possession, Joe,

01:16:57who had just taken Hartford out of the game, was like, nope,

01:16:59I hate this bad idea, and he brought him back up

01:17:01to the scorers' table to get him back in. So

01:17:03immediately recognized, nope, not going to work.

01:17:05Don't like it. Don't like it. Quick adjustments.

01:17:07He did it all series long. He was awesome.

01:17:09And honestly, look, we give Joe

01:17:11a lot of crap because he's weird, and

01:17:13I think he's going to forever be

01:17:15that kind of weird, and it's going to be funny

01:17:17because it makes it amusing

01:17:19and it's fun for us to talk about. Now he kind of

01:17:21can be weird. But now he

01:17:23can be. Now he can be.

01:17:25Now he's earned it.

01:17:27All the great ones are a little

01:17:29weird. Yeah. I don't think

01:17:31anyone questions his basketball acumen. I think

01:17:33he is very much a savant.

01:17:35He really, really, really understands

01:17:37and knows what he's trying to do here.

01:17:39Jimmy, you're leaning out of the shot to the right. If you and

01:17:41Sherrod could scooch over a tad to the left,

01:17:43both of you will be in so much better

01:17:45shape. Sherrod,

01:17:47half a step. He said

01:17:49side over half.

01:17:51No, no, no. The other way, Sherrod, and then hug.

01:17:53And then I want you guys to hug.

01:17:55You want me to hug you?

01:17:57No, you don't have to.

01:17:59No.

01:18:01There were so many little

01:18:03things that the Celtics did

01:18:05better in game five that just completely

01:18:07go under the radar. Remember,

01:18:09Tatum was absolutely torching

01:18:11the house with a drive and kick game.

01:18:13In this game, it was more of the

01:18:15drive and dish to Drew Holiday rolling

01:18:17along the baseline. They weren't looking for

01:18:19him to drive and kick it to a three-pointer.

01:18:21They were just looking for him to drive and find

01:18:23someone cutting to the basket or moving

01:18:25without the ball. And little things

01:18:27like that just kind of don't really

01:18:29get a lot of attention. But then you look up and see Tatum's

01:18:31got damn near 10 assists in the first half.

01:18:33And almost none of those were

01:18:35guys making threes.

01:18:37Little things like that that, again,

01:18:39that's how Joe has figured out how to just be a better

01:18:41coach.

01:18:43Yeah, and

01:18:45it takes a little time. He has to grow

01:18:47in you a little bit. And I think, again, people were

01:18:49skeptical for a lot of reasons and

01:18:51not so much Joe's fault, but

01:18:53the way he came

01:18:55about as being the head coach, I mean,

01:18:57that was

01:18:59a unique situation, to put

01:19:01it lightly, right? A week

01:19:03before the season starts, he kind of gets

01:19:05thrust into this role here.

01:19:07And there was a lot of reasons to doubt

01:19:09like, who's this guy? He kind of came out of

01:19:11nowhere. Young guy.

01:19:13Yeah, exactly.

01:19:15And so

01:19:17he had to change a lot of people's

01:19:19minds. And I don't think he really cared to.

01:19:21But over time, just by

01:19:23being who he was, the players

01:19:25had already come to like him

01:19:27to begin with. What's up?

01:19:29We're sneaking in to see if I can get...

01:19:31It's amazing.

01:19:33And, you know, it could have gone

01:19:35to anybody. It could have gone to Jason.

01:19:37Jason.

01:19:39The MVP.

01:19:41You know, I can't talk about it.

01:19:43It's fantastic.

01:19:45It's just...

01:19:47I mean, of course, not just the series or the finals,

01:19:49but just the playoffs in general.

01:19:51And we did it together as a team.

01:19:53And that

01:19:55was the most important thing.

01:19:57Chris, you're on the left side, third row.

01:19:59You're very intentional

01:20:01both now and earlier

01:20:03making sure that you acknowledged

01:20:05JT. Why is that

01:20:07important to you? And also you reflected

01:20:09a lot during the playoffs about your

01:20:11journey and, you know, what you

01:20:13heard from people. And what does this mean

01:20:15to you in that context as well?

01:20:17Just our growth together. We've been through

01:20:19a lot.

01:20:21We've been through a lot.

01:20:23The losses, the expectations,

01:20:25the media, you know, said

01:20:27a lot of different types of things.

01:20:29We can't play together. We were never going to win.

01:20:31We heard it all.

01:20:33But we just blocked it out.

01:20:35And we just kept going.

01:20:37I trusted him. He trusted me.

01:20:39And we did it together.

01:20:41So, you know, to get to

01:20:43this point and share that experience

01:20:45with JT

01:20:47is just awesome.

01:20:49It's just amazing. It feels great.

01:20:51Same row.

01:20:53Jaylen, how does it feel

01:20:55to silence

01:20:57Dowers after last year

01:20:59against the Miami Heat?

01:21:01The way you guys lost. There was a lot

01:21:03of doubt about the team.

01:21:05Maybe even about

01:21:07your ability to make an all-NBA team

01:21:09this year. And now you win

01:21:11the Eastern Conference Final MVP.

01:21:13You're an NBA champion.

01:21:15You're an MVP of the Finals.

01:21:17Do you feel at all vindicated?

01:21:19I mean,

01:21:21if you would have asked me that

01:21:23maybe a year ago, I probably would say

01:21:25yeah. Just at the point that I

01:21:27got to right now.

01:21:29It feels great,

01:21:31but

01:21:33any of the past awards,

01:21:35it is what it is.

01:21:37You had the Dowers. They may be

01:21:39quieted now, but they'll be back.

01:21:41They'll probably be back next year. There's something else

01:21:43to say.

01:21:45Just embrace that moment

01:21:47the same. You don't have to

01:21:49do it again.

01:21:51You're right. Gary, third row.

01:21:55From how you were

01:21:57drafted and a lot of Celtic fans

01:21:59had not heard of you coming out of Cal.

01:22:01They said

01:22:03it was kind of an unknown.

01:22:07From that journey

01:22:09to being doubted

01:22:11and all of what they said coming out of

01:22:13college and then

01:22:15signing the contract

01:22:17this summer and all of what you

01:22:19heard, can you kind of

01:22:21encapsulate it?

01:22:25I can't.

01:22:27I absolutely

01:22:29can't.

01:22:31The story, the journey is awesome.

01:22:33Just being drafted

01:22:35here in Boston.

01:22:37A lot of the people

01:22:39probably didn't watch me play out

01:22:41in the Pac-12 at Cal.

01:22:43It led to a lot of people

01:22:45feeling

01:22:47bad.

01:22:49I just came in and kept my head down.

01:22:55To be here in this moment now

01:22:57after all the years.

01:23:03Alright.

01:23:05There you have it.

01:23:07You guys take a little break? Are you guys alright?

01:23:09You look tuckered out.

01:23:11We're just staying in.

01:23:13Jaylin has that soothing sound.

01:23:15He's taking it all in.

01:23:17Not all of us have been sitting for the last two hours.

01:23:19It's all good, though.

01:23:21Oh, geez.

01:23:25Why don't you have a stool?

01:23:27For those of us who've been

01:23:29here as long as Jaylin has been here,

01:23:31it really is amazing to see

01:23:33how far he has come.

01:23:35This is a guy that, again, got booed

01:23:37when he was drafted, which is something

01:23:39that you look through the years.

01:23:41Guys taking it to the top, that never

01:23:43happens.

01:23:45For him to embrace that role,

01:23:47I remember his first

01:23:49NBA start was at Cleveland

01:23:51against LeBron James. I remember

01:23:53talking to him before the game. He didn't

01:23:55seem like this wide-eyed young kid

01:23:57who's about to go against one of the goats of the game.

01:23:59He's just like, I'm just going to go out there and do what I do.

01:24:03He's carried himself with a level of maturity

01:24:05throughout his time in Boston

01:24:07that I think prepared him

01:24:09for this moment.

01:24:11The opportunity to be great

01:24:13on the grandest of stages,

01:24:15he was ready for that.

01:24:17Two years ago, he wasn't.

01:24:19Two years ago, I think he was trying to

01:24:21prove himself. I think he was trying to

01:24:23validate himself as a great player.

01:24:25On this particular stage,

01:24:27that didn't matter. It was about winning

01:24:29the series, proving that you

01:24:31and Jason and this team

01:24:33were the best thing

01:24:35going. He did a great job of that

01:24:37and certainly

01:24:39was the best player throughout the course of the playoff.

01:24:41I think he finally was able to stop

01:24:43letting it bother him that

01:24:45people didn't see him the way he saw himself.

01:24:47He never

01:24:49stopped trying to prove people wrong

01:24:51or prove himself right,

01:24:53but he stopped letting it negatively affect

01:24:55him to the point where it would affect his game.

01:24:57He played more freely out there. He trusted

01:24:59his game. He got to his spots.

01:25:01He's able to turn up the intensity,

01:25:03but he's also, at the same time,

01:25:05able to play even-keeled

01:25:07a little bit more, level-headed,

01:25:09not let bad plays spiral into the next

01:25:11bad play, not let

01:25:13a bad performance

01:25:15impact the next performance,

01:25:17let's say, the next game,

01:25:19not let something somebody said get to him

01:25:21in a bad way. He got to the point where he just said,

01:25:23F it. I'm just going to go be me.

01:25:25I'm going to do my thing unapologetically,

01:25:27Jaylin Brown.

01:25:29We saw the result of that.

01:25:31Eastern Conference Finals MVP,

01:25:33NBA Finals MVP, NBA Champion,

01:25:35highest paid player in the NBA.

01:25:37It's getting harder and harder

01:25:39for this guy to find

01:25:41reasons to stay motivated, but he will

01:25:43because he does thrive

01:25:45off of that. He will

01:25:47thrive off people being like, he didn't deserve

01:25:49the NBA Finals MVP.

01:25:51That's what he's been able to do,

01:25:53and to his credit, he turns it into a good thing.

01:25:55We've just seen it as he matures.

01:25:57He's able to harness that

01:25:59in a way that he wasn't before.

01:26:01That ability to harness is huge

01:26:03because he plays with such

01:26:05energy, such passion, such fire.

01:26:07Sometimes, I thought earlier in his career,

01:26:09it would get a little out of hand.

01:26:11Reckless

01:26:13is probably a word with the ball handling

01:26:15and such. He's controlled chaos

01:26:17often when you look at the things

01:26:19that he's able to do, and they needed that

01:26:21in order to get over the hump and bring home

01:26:23banner 18.

01:26:25I don't think years

01:26:27ago you would have heard him first sentence

01:26:29out of his mouth to be

01:26:31crediting Jason Tatum.

01:26:33I don't know that the roles were reversed

01:26:35with Tatum. If he had won the MVP,

01:26:37you would have heard him crediting Brown

01:26:39years ago. I think that we can

01:26:41all see now they're over that.

01:26:43They don't need to be best

01:26:45friends. They definitely are

01:26:47teammates that are

01:26:49a super

01:26:51duo. They play off

01:26:53each other. They need each other.

01:26:55They've come a hell of a long way.

01:26:57I've got to tell you guys, the court

01:26:59is still jammed.

01:27:01You can't see the board.

01:27:03I know. I'm too.

01:27:05I'm sitting in Shams

01:27:07Shirani's seat.

01:27:09Oh, you're in 18?

01:27:11Yeah.

01:27:13See me?

01:27:15I don't know where you are.

01:27:17I'm in 18 or 19

01:27:19right next to the normal media

01:27:21section. They have a four-seat

01:27:23table here.

01:27:25Well, Nick, tell us

01:27:27when the court is starting to clear because

01:27:29we want to do our quick garden report

01:27:31late night hit with everybody.

01:27:33John, the security is left.

01:27:35There's no security there.

01:27:37Security is left, but

01:27:39there would be nowhere to go right now

01:27:41because...

01:27:43Maybe the corner

01:27:45opposite

01:27:47Jimmy's seat. Yeah, there's definitely a corner

01:27:49we could probably huddle up in

01:27:51about 15-20 minutes maybe.

01:27:53I think

01:27:55where there's a will, there's a way.

01:27:57We'll get Amit down there on the scene.

01:27:59Amit will clear it out.

01:28:01I got to get my confetti, so I'll be down there.

01:28:03I got you some, Jim.

01:28:05Did you? You're what a guy.

01:28:07Oh, I also

01:28:09found one of these.

01:28:11Figured I'd do this in honor of Bobby.

01:28:13Did you get the bucket hat?

01:28:15It was in the office

01:28:17and I had to bring a camera over,

01:28:19so I look like Gilligan for crying out loud.

01:28:21Wow.

01:28:23I don't know if you're selling any of those.

01:28:25Guys, real quick, we were talking about

01:28:27Tatum and Brown

01:28:29and how Nick said

01:28:31they don't like each other.

01:28:33I did not say that.

01:28:35Nick's been saying that for years now.

01:28:37I did not say that.

01:28:39That's what I heard.

01:28:41You've been consistent on the show that that's not true.

01:28:43Right.

01:28:45But

01:28:47like I said,

01:28:49I don't care

01:28:51about the MVP deeply,

01:28:53but people do, and that stuff matters.

01:28:55Look at someone like Cedric Maxwell

01:28:57being on a team with Larry Bird.

01:28:59He's still dining out on that for a while.

01:29:01I'm not saying he didn't have other accomplishments,

01:29:03but that's a big part of his...

01:29:05He is.

01:29:07That's a big part of his

01:29:09legacy and career.

01:29:11Jalen Brown has that now forever.

01:29:13Here's Tatum talking about

01:29:15Brown winning the MVP.

01:29:17Brown did give a shout-out immediately

01:29:19at the podium

01:29:21in the ceremony to Tatum,

01:29:23which I do think

01:29:25he recognized.

01:29:27I want to also say,

01:29:29he is good.

01:29:31Tatum's been a little...

01:29:33He absolutely said,

01:29:35my running mate or my partner in crime

01:29:37is what he called him.

01:29:39He quickly, quickly gave it to him.

01:29:41But when Tatum's been asked about Brown,

01:29:43it's been interesting.

01:29:47I can't wait to hear this.

01:29:49I can't wait.

01:29:51When Jalen won

01:29:53the finals MVP, the first thing he did

01:29:55was look at you and said,

01:29:57we did this together.

01:29:59What did that mean to you?

01:30:01First of all, congrats to him.

01:30:03What?

01:30:05Well-deserved. Extremely happy

01:30:07for him.

01:30:09We all deserve it.

01:30:11That was a hell of an accomplishment.

01:30:13The main goal for us was to win

01:30:15the championship.

01:30:17We didn't care

01:30:19who got finals MVP.

01:30:21I know that

01:30:23I need him through this journey.

01:30:25He needs me.

01:30:29It was great to see him

01:30:31have that moment and share that moment with him.

01:30:33I'm extremely happy for him.

01:30:35Well-deserved.

01:30:37That was big time.

01:30:39He earned it.

01:30:41Wow.

01:30:43Nice. Damn.

01:30:45That's what the people wanted to see.

01:30:47That's what we wanted.

01:30:49That's a great way

01:30:51to put it, Jimmy.

01:30:53Hey, Jimmy, can you guys turn down your light a tad?

01:30:55Somebody just jump in there.

01:30:57Turn down your light just a little bit.

01:30:59It's coming in hot.

01:31:01Jimmy's going to do it himself.

01:31:03Great way

01:31:05to put it, Jimmy.

01:31:07What did he say? I missed it, Jimmy.

01:31:09Nothing.

01:31:11He got through it.

01:31:13He got through it.

01:31:19He got through it.

01:31:21He didn't die in the middle of it.

01:31:23Pretty good stuff.

01:31:25A little bit more

01:31:27from Tatum while these guys fiddle around

01:31:29with things. Tatum talking

01:31:31about the general resiliency of the team

01:31:33getting to

01:31:35this stage and being able to

01:31:37obviously

01:31:39win it all. Here we go.

01:31:41You talked a lot about Kobe Bryant as one of your idols

01:31:43and somebody you pat in your game

01:31:45after and your motivation after.

01:31:47Once you finally win a championship

01:31:49now that you can say,

01:31:51I know what it took. What did it actually

01:31:53take? Was there something from Kobe that you learned?

01:31:55Was it just something you learned on your own

01:31:57throughout this journey? What did it actually take

01:31:59to get over that hump?

01:32:01Fifty fair go attempts.

01:32:03It took being relentless.

01:32:05It took

01:32:09being on the other side of this and losing

01:32:11in the finals and being at literally the lowest

01:32:13mark in a basketball

01:32:15career that you could be.

01:32:17To the

01:32:19following year thinking that was going to be

01:32:21the time and

01:32:23come up short again.

01:32:27People have

01:32:29said it before but coming up

01:32:31short and having failures makes

01:32:33this moment that much better.

01:32:35Because you know what it feels

01:32:37like to lose. You know what it feels like

01:32:39to be on the other side of this

01:32:41and be in a locker room and hearing the other

01:32:43teams celebrating and having them celebrate on your

01:32:45home floor. That was

01:32:47devastating.

01:32:49Now

01:32:53to elevate yourself

01:32:55in a space that

01:32:57all your favorite players

01:32:59have been. Everybody that

01:33:01they consider greats or legends

01:33:03have won a championship.

01:33:05The guys I looked up to have won a championship.

01:33:07Multiple championships.

01:33:09Now

01:33:11I can

01:33:13walk in those rooms and be a part

01:33:15of that.

01:33:17It's a hell of a feeling.

01:33:23I dreamed about what it would be like but this is

01:33:25ten times better.

01:33:27He's trying to keep his emotions in check.

01:33:29Honestly, great stuff.

01:33:31Great stuff from Tatum.

01:33:33I want to say something here.

01:33:37We tease about some elements

01:33:39of it.

01:33:41You never see the emotion

01:33:43come up sometimes.

01:33:45You want him to be a little bit more of a vocal

01:33:47leader. What I will say and I've always

01:33:49defended and I think is the greatest

01:33:51misnomer and the greatest misconception of Jason Tatum

01:33:53is his idea that he's hunting

01:33:55stats, which I've never thought.

01:33:57I just always thought that in his mind,

01:33:59he always thought that the greatest way that he could

01:34:01impact winning was to score.

01:34:03This year, especially this playoff where he

01:34:05struggled to score, you found out how much

01:34:07more he was doing and willing to do while winning.

01:34:09It wasn't that that

01:34:11altered my perception here. What I'll say

01:34:13is that's about as happy as

01:34:15we've seen him. That's an

01:34:17incredible amount of relief. You can

01:34:19almost see he's been wearing it on him

01:34:21for the past couple of years that

01:34:23I didn't win. We didn't

01:34:25win. What did I not do

01:34:27that I could have done to

01:34:29help us win?

01:34:31I've never seen him like this.

01:34:33Obviously, you're never going to be

01:34:35happier than when you won an NBA championship. It's just not

01:34:37saying a lot. It looked like

01:34:39you could just see him from every minute from

01:34:41the second he stepped on the court to go

01:34:43get the tropes. When he went to the bench,

01:34:45the big hug with Joe and all

01:34:47of that thing, it was just a release like

01:34:49he did it. You really do

01:34:51understand and get the sense

01:34:53that it really isn't

01:34:55always about winning. I do think that's

01:34:57something people have totally wrong

01:34:59with

01:35:01the idea that he's

01:35:03just interested in the MVP.

01:35:05I think he wanted the MVP.

01:35:07I think he would have been really happy if he won the

01:35:09MVP. That's not what he was playing this for.

01:35:13I just want to put that out there because

01:35:15I think people get that wrong a lot.

01:35:17I think it's natural

01:35:19to be a superstar player

01:35:21or be told you're a superstar player and then

01:35:23want to put up superstar numbers. I would

01:35:25agree with you, John. I think everybody on

01:35:27the show probably feels the same way.

01:35:29Tatum's a guy that

01:35:31wants to win. I said this

01:35:33earlier on this show

01:35:35is that

01:35:37if you're a Celtics player

01:35:39on this team, you probably didn't

01:35:41feel any relief at all

01:35:43until the final buzzer tonight.

01:35:45When you win games when you're expected to win,

01:35:47it's not a celebration. It's more just

01:35:49an exhale like, okay, we made it to the

01:35:51... We did what we were supposed

01:35:53to do, but we're expected to win. We have to keep

01:35:55winning. We have to keep winning. It's not like

01:35:57no expectations. Let's

01:35:59just go out there and if we win, great. Let's

01:36:01party. It's

01:36:03like your obligation is to win.

01:36:05Now that they've completed the task,

01:36:07they can celebrate.

01:36:09That's what you saw, at least, that you mentioned

01:36:11there, John, and the smile.

01:36:13He's still choosing his words

01:36:15carefully, and he's still

01:36:17Jason Tatum in the way he speaks, but

01:36:19you can just see a little bit of a difference in the way

01:36:21that it comes out.

01:36:23I feel like that's probably from the top down,

01:36:25but certainly Tatum's a guy that he's

01:36:27had a ton of pressure put on him since he came into

01:36:29the league, justly

01:36:31or not. He's been

01:36:33close, but ultimately, the

01:36:35knock on him and Brown is

01:36:37that these guys

01:36:39can't win, or they can't win together, or they don't know

01:36:41what it takes, or they're never going to have the

01:36:43confidence, or the attitude, blah, blah, blah. You can go down the line.

01:36:45The haters are

01:36:47still going to hate, but at the end of the day, they proved

01:36:49everybody wrong, or they proved those people wrong.

01:36:51There are still a lot of supporters, too. A lot

01:36:53of people, especially on this show

01:36:55that watch, there are huge Tatum and Brown guys

01:36:57that believed, and you've got to give them all the

01:36:59credit in the world for sticking with their players,

01:37:01because there were points over the last few years

01:37:03where some people doubted if

01:37:05one of those guys needed to go, or

01:37:07should go, or if Jalen Brown should be

01:37:09extended with the Max, or if he should be

01:37:11created, and if Tatum could ever be

01:37:13the guy. And so,

01:37:15whether or not they have to go out and do this whole thing

01:37:17all over again next season is besides the point,

01:37:19because tonight, they're the best team in the

01:37:21world. They're the best.

01:37:23They can consider themselves the best players in the world,

01:37:25and nobody can say shit about it.

01:37:27Well, but they will. They will, but

01:37:29okay. They will, but

01:37:31Jimmy's going to just say

01:37:33hi, haters.

01:37:35Yeah, that's it. That's really it.

01:37:37Here's the thing. People don't say that anymore.

01:37:39They choose to go back

01:37:41and forth. Just say hi, haters.

01:37:43To piggyback

01:37:45on that a little bit, because we

01:37:47did discuss this,

01:37:51Jalen won the

01:37:53conference MVP, and Tatum,

01:37:55because of the shooting splits,

01:37:57and they still didn't end up

01:37:59great. At the end of the finals, he subbed

01:38:0140 for the finals, and he

01:38:03caught a lot of flack for it.

01:38:05We were saying, when you have to explain

01:38:07why a guy's been good,

01:38:09you're already losing the argument.

01:38:11That's what's happening, is he's losing.

01:38:13He lost the battle of optics a little bit,

01:38:15in terms of the national media, because

01:38:17he didn't look like he was taking over

01:38:19a game the way people are used to seeing people

01:38:21take over games, which is just to drop buckets.

01:38:23You see Luka score, and you're like, man,

01:38:25he's tough. You're not taking into account

01:38:27that he was a turnstile on defense, or

01:38:29doing other things that were not helping

01:38:31his team, whereas Tatum was.

01:38:33The stats are a little bit grisly when you look at the

01:38:35national

01:38:37finals numbers, and again,

01:38:39here it is, 22 points, 38 kills.

01:38:41That's not like alpha dog

01:38:43stuff that

01:38:45people expect. There is a possibility

01:38:47that Tatum's

01:38:49legacy was going to take a hit,

01:38:51win or lose here,

01:38:53because people would

01:38:55spin the narrative however they

01:38:57wanted to. But if he did lose, or

01:38:59if the Jays did lose with this

01:39:01team, with this path that they had

01:39:03as an inferior opponent, the Mavericks,

01:39:05the narrative surrounding this team would

01:39:07have been really ugly.

01:39:09That's definitely a pressure

01:39:11and a weight that they had to kind of know

01:39:13is like, we can't

01:39:15not win it here. And they did.

01:39:17And as Jimmy said, and as

01:39:19Nick said, there will still be guys

01:39:21who are going to come at them a little bit.

01:39:23I know a lot of people will complain about the quality

01:39:25of these finals. Yes, Jimmy?

01:39:27I'll let you finish. I just wanted to say something.

01:39:29No, I want you to say something.

01:39:31I was going to say, I think some of that narrative

01:39:33that, you know, how much of that was

01:39:35from national, how much of that was local, but at the same time

01:39:37people are finding

01:39:39the Celtics just steamrolled the playoffs.

01:39:41I mean, there really wasn't much

01:39:43negative you could find

01:39:45from a team perspective. So you start to

01:39:47pick at players, and you start to try to

01:39:49find something to talk about

01:39:51and criticize. But you couldn't criticize,

01:39:53and again, it goes back to the way that they won games this year.

01:39:55They played team basketball.

01:39:57Brad assembled a super team, essentially.

01:39:59The modern day version of one.

01:40:01Not a super team in the sense where it's like

01:40:03three friends who think, hey, this would be

01:40:05fun to play together, even though they don't fit.

01:40:07He assembled a team,

01:40:09an actual team of players who can still

01:40:11play ball, fit each other's style.

01:40:13They're so good, three of them are going to

01:40:15be in the Olympics, you know, like

01:40:17on Team USA because they're such

01:40:19team players, you know, like you're putting

01:40:21White and Holiday on there to round out

01:40:23your team, you know, like

01:40:25it's amazing. They have the right attitude.

01:40:27And Tatum does, too. I mean, he really does.

01:40:29He could have pouted about his

01:40:31performance, but he went up there

01:40:33at the podium after every win,

01:40:35by the way, and

01:40:37he was not making it

01:40:39about him, you know? I mean, he's going to get asked

01:40:41about his performance, and yeah, he's got no choice but to

01:40:43respond, but it's always been about the team,

01:40:45and so you gotta tip your

01:40:47cap, tip your hard hat, I guess,

01:40:49to the way he handled things, and

01:40:51yeah, he's going to see a lot more

01:40:53criticism. There's going to be a microscope on him, and no,

01:40:55he didn't have an iconic,

01:40:57anywhere close to an iconic

01:40:59postseason or

01:41:01NBA Finals run,

01:41:03but at the end of the day, his team

01:41:05that he led, for the most part,

01:41:07throughout the season, steamrolled

01:41:09the playoffs, and they're the NBA champions, and

01:41:11ultimately, I think at some point, John,

01:41:13they all got together.

01:41:15Maybe it was the very beginning of the season. They just said,

01:41:17our goal is to win a championship.

01:41:19We're going to put the personal accolades

01:41:21aside. Yeah, we're going to put the

01:41:23personal accolades. Al's going to come off the bench.

01:41:25Holiday's going to take a reduced role.

01:41:27Tatum

01:41:29and Brown are going to coexist, and they're going to

01:41:31make each other better, and they're going to win a championship.

01:41:33If they do those things, on paper

01:41:35at least, they're the best team. If they do that on the court,

01:41:37there should be no issues, and to their credit, that's what they

01:41:39did. And Tatum, to his credit,

01:41:41showed a different kind of leadership

01:41:43that I don't think

01:41:45he gets enough credit for.

01:41:47Jalen became more vocal. There's no

01:41:49doubt about that. Definitely.

01:41:51Tatum, his leadership was

01:41:53more by example,

01:41:55not only in terms of his play, but also

01:41:57in terms of his words.

01:41:59We joke about how

01:42:01whenever he's asked about Jalen, he talks about

01:42:03we, we, we, but

01:42:05that's kind of how he

01:42:07played this season.

01:42:09It was we, not me, right?

01:42:11It was the Mbutu style. That's what the

01:42:1308 team used to go with.

01:42:15You look at Game 5, and we talked about how

01:42:17Sam Houser was so impactful. When Sam

01:42:19couldn't hit the broad side of a barn,

01:42:21you would see Tatum

01:42:23pulling him aside during games

01:42:25and just really encouraging him, the kind of stuff

01:42:27that didn't make headlines.

01:42:29There was a talk about national media, but

01:42:31when you look at that

01:42:33moment, and you look at how Sam was able to

01:42:35stay confident, that wasn't

01:42:37just an internal thing. That was because the best player

01:42:39on your damn team was telling you, you need to keep shooting.

01:42:41And little things like that,

01:42:43I think, are part of the

01:42:45fabric that makes Jason Tatum who he is

01:42:47and why he's a champion and why

01:42:49he's comfortable whether he's getting

01:42:51credit or not. At the end of

01:42:53the day, you're not going to be remembered

01:42:55for whether you won that

01:42:57trophy. You're going to remember whether you

01:42:59have put a banner up there. Because around

01:43:01here, that's the only thing that matters.

01:43:03The only thing that matters.

01:43:05These guys are eating and drinking

01:43:07for free for a long time now.

01:43:09They are. One thing we

01:43:11didn't get huge into, considering

01:43:13all the time we spent on it,

01:43:15and I think it's worth talking about, is Chris

01:43:17Dapps.

01:43:19Should we wait for Bobby and blow

01:43:21his brain?

01:43:23I'm out if that's going to happen.

01:43:25What are they even doing here?

01:43:29I sat next to Bobby when poor Zyngus

01:43:31got checked in. I thought his head was going to

01:43:33pop off.

01:43:41I think, and again,

01:43:43you had to recalibrate what it was

01:43:45you were expecting him to do

01:43:47here.

01:43:49We might

01:43:51have to recalibrate Bobby's brain a little bit on

01:43:53the poor Zyngus stuff, but

01:43:55maybe game four was

01:43:57let's play him maybe. Maybe it was

01:43:59the human victory cigar, but I'm not really

01:44:01going to play him unless I have a specific reason.

01:44:03It was pretty

01:44:05clear immediately

01:44:07from the warm-ups, how quickly

01:44:09they ruled that he was in, and then Joe saying

01:44:11he's got no limits. Of course he had limits,

01:44:13but that they were going to play him in rotation.

01:44:15What did we say before the game?

01:44:17Four four-minute stints. That's all

01:44:19we wanted. That's exactly what he did, basically.

01:44:21I mean,

01:44:23with a couple quick ins and outs

01:44:25sometimes where they were subbing in

01:44:27offense and defense, but

01:44:29basically it was, can you get enough

01:44:31from poor Zyngus to

01:44:33feel better about what your lineup is out there

01:44:35doing, to not have to play

01:44:37Xavier Tillman, to not get

01:44:39beat up on the board so much, to have another

01:44:41shooter out there that the Mavs should have to pay attention to,

01:44:43that it sucked the center out.

01:44:45He did. He kind of was a decoy. He's not

01:44:47out there bombing threes.

01:44:49They put him in the post once. He hit a couple

01:44:51free throws. That's what he did.

01:44:53That's all he needed to do.

01:44:55I think this was

01:44:57exactly what you were hoping for out of

01:44:59poor Zyngus. I don't think you could have expected any more.

01:45:01Outside

01:45:03of that first stint where

01:45:05the Mavs got him in a blunder there

01:45:07and were just

01:45:09running all over the place.

01:45:11Like Ray Allen out there.

01:45:13He was right there.

01:45:15He was all over the place. He looked like that Rudy

01:45:17Gobert meme a little bit.

01:45:19When he's trying to guard Steph Curry.

01:45:21He was just dancing around a little bit.

01:45:23Other than that,

01:45:25it's all you wanted. It was great. And the lift

01:45:27was great, which is again something

01:45:29we had to describe to Bobby, how emotion

01:45:31matters. It was a big lift.

01:45:33Not just

01:45:35on X's and O's here.

01:45:37I don't get it.

01:45:39Bobby does not compute.

01:45:41I mean, there's a difference

01:45:43when you've got thousands and thousands of people

01:45:45cheering and clapping for you

01:45:47pretty much the minute you take

01:45:49each step into the court versus

01:45:51Dallas. Even pregame.

01:45:53Not pregame, but right when the players

01:45:55come out of the tunnel, he didn't come out right away.

01:45:57He didn't come out right away, right?

01:45:59But then he came out on his own and then the whole place

01:46:01Yeah, and he's soaking it up,

01:46:03which was smart on his part.

01:46:05You're right, John.

01:46:07Other than that first... He does.

01:46:09But you know what? When you look at the places

01:46:11he's been from a basketball standpoint,

01:46:13can you really blame it?

01:46:15This is the first time he's been on a team

01:46:17that you actually had

01:46:19a semblance of hope that your season

01:46:21would not end on the last game

01:46:23of the regular season.

01:46:25And to his credit,

01:46:27he absolutely soaked it all in.

01:46:29And he did not care

01:46:31what role he had to play.

01:46:33And frankly, to me,

01:46:35Porzingis had one of the greatest jobs

01:46:37on this roster. I mean, think about it.

01:46:39You're making face of the franchise money

01:46:41as the third,

01:46:43maybe fourth best player.

01:46:45That is a great deal.

01:46:47That's incredible.

01:46:49Coming from a situation

01:46:51in New York where he was expected to be

01:46:53the face of the franchise.

01:46:55Struggled in Washington,

01:46:57struggled in Dallas.

01:46:59He turned it around in Washington in the end.

01:47:01He did, but he didn't struggle.

01:47:03The team saw it.

01:47:05He's been in some losing situations

01:47:07for sure.

01:47:09I honestly think Boston gave him

01:47:11a second lease on his basketball life.

01:47:13I think he felt like

01:47:15he was rediscovered

01:47:17in a way.

01:47:19I can only imagine what it was like

01:47:21just playing on that Wizards team

01:47:23after the hype surrounding him

01:47:25going into the league

01:47:27and the expectations.

01:47:29He's on a Wizards team that's going absolutely nowhere.

01:47:31He put in a good, decent season, but still

01:47:33in and out of the lineup, health reasons and whatnot.

01:47:35Gets the call.

01:47:37Gets traded to Boston.

01:47:39Immediately, you go from one of the worst teams in the league

01:47:41to arguably the best team in the league.

01:47:45I think, obviously,

01:47:47the games played was about as expected,

01:47:49but as far as his effect on the team,

01:47:51that was even better than I expected.

01:47:54I just felt like

01:47:56the way he had an effect

01:47:58on this team, whether it was

01:48:00the three-point shooting, whether it was the low post,

01:48:02whether it was on the defensive side,

01:48:04he just fit immediately.

01:48:06He did give them that.

01:48:08Again, we talk about if it's not Tatum or Brown,

01:48:10it could be literally any one of these other guys.

01:48:12Porzingis, White, Holliday,

01:48:14Hauser.

01:48:16When Porzingis was

01:48:18really feeling it,

01:48:20he was borderline impossible

01:48:22to stop.

01:48:24His defense really was what just jumped out at me.

01:48:26A unicorn.

01:48:28That mattered.

01:48:30It even mattered tonight.

01:48:32It even mattered tonight when he was limited.

01:48:34His presence mattered.

01:48:36After that slow start,

01:48:38defensively, he really picked it up.

01:48:40Started moving a little bit better.

01:48:42The reason he struggled early on was he wasn't really sure

01:48:44physically what he could

01:48:46do at that end of the floor.

01:48:48He was very slow in those first

01:48:50possessions coming off the job screen.

01:48:52I think when he realized that I can move

01:48:54like I normally move,

01:48:56he was much better at

01:48:58just forcing them to keep swinging the ball

01:49:00as opposed to getting uncontested,

01:49:02wide-open threes.

01:49:04Facts, my dog.

01:49:06Facts, my dog.

01:49:08What I think we're going to do here

01:49:10and we're approaching the two-hour mark,

01:49:12we did promise we're going to bring the group together

01:49:14and we're going to do that, but in order to do that,

01:49:16we have to shut things down for a few minutes here

01:49:18and make it happen.

01:49:20We are going to try to do that

01:49:22and what we are going to do, guys...

01:49:24News team, assemble!

01:49:26The news team is going to assemble.

01:49:28We're bringing a Garden Report late-night edition.

01:49:30We'll be live right after this.

01:49:32We just need a few minutes to set it up.

01:49:34We're going to get the whole gang on the court together.

01:49:36We're going to hang out.

01:49:38We're going to just bring the whole gang together one last time

01:49:40to talk about it and help bring in this

01:49:42championship celebration

01:49:44with you guys.

01:49:46We can do a little of this.

01:49:48Yeah, let's do it.

01:49:50Sprinkle some confetti.

01:49:52Oh, I wasn't looking, yeah.

01:49:54Don't forget, I can't see unless I look down there.

01:49:56Wow, you got some.

01:49:58There's plenty.

01:50:00Oh, there's plenty still out there.

01:50:02I think we should set up

01:50:04on the final stage.

01:50:06I think that'll be gone.

01:50:08No, it's still up.

01:50:10Hey, before we wrap this,

01:50:12I heard when I was relocating

01:50:14certain people

01:50:16apologizing for Joe Mizzoula.

01:50:18I'm not going to apologize,

01:50:20but I am going to compliment

01:50:22him on how great he was

01:50:24this playoffs.

01:50:26The whole playoffs.

01:50:28I'm not going to apologize because I know next season

01:50:30I'm going to despise him again

01:50:32when they won't stop shooting threes

01:50:34and he won't call timeouts.

01:50:36That's so boomery.

01:50:38The threes are the reason he won.

01:50:40I don't care. It's not going to change.

01:50:42I like basketball how I like it.

01:50:44That's that. I'm not going to apologize,

01:50:46but I am going to give him his flowers

01:50:48because he was

01:50:50awesome.

01:50:52Now he's going to be able to sleep.

01:50:54He's going to be able to sleep tonight now, Nick.

01:50:56Nick, why don't you and I keep this

01:50:58going a little bit. I'm going to let these guys go.

01:51:00Jimmy and Sherrod, you guys can head downstairs

01:51:02while I'm going to break that down.

01:51:04We'll keep talking a little, Nick, and hold the line here.

01:51:06If Bobby's out there and he wants

01:51:08to jump in with us, he can

01:51:10as we wait to set it up.

01:51:12I don't see him.

01:51:14We'll hang on here a little bit.

01:51:16Was that our shot?

01:51:18John, was that our shot from the locker room?

01:51:20Yeah, that was our stuff.

01:51:22That was great stuff.

01:51:24We'll get some more of that

01:51:26on there as well.

01:51:28Look at it, dude.

01:51:30Nothing but boomers left, but I promise

01:51:32we'll get the kids on. We're going to get Joe Sway on.

01:51:34We're going to get...

01:51:36Oh, did you put that yourself, Tom?

01:51:38Yeah.

01:51:42You want me to get rid of it? It's Larry's.

01:51:44Joe's so doubling down on stupidity.

01:51:48I'm the guy up here

01:51:50and you're the guy chatting back there.

01:51:52I'm doubling down on stupidity.

01:51:54Yeah, no.

01:51:56He was great. George, thank you, buddy.

01:51:58You have...

01:52:00Not only that, he was with us

01:52:02on... George and many guys here

01:52:04have been with us

01:52:06from the bubble days, but also

01:52:08with our chats on locker room

01:52:10and all of that stuff that we were doing.

01:52:12It's been fun to hang out with you guys

01:52:14for these last four years.

01:52:16A lot of OGs here. Obviously, we have Dudley,

01:52:18we have Cas, we've got Blorp,

01:52:20ATL, IOL.

01:52:22I mean, so many.

01:52:24Judah.

01:52:26There's insane amounts of people

01:52:28here who have been

01:52:30following us all the way through.

01:52:32It's really great to see you guys

01:52:34still here and still hanging out.

01:52:38Honestly,

01:52:40I got to tell you,

01:52:42I know you guys all say

01:52:44you give me a lot of crap.

01:52:46I love it, to be honest with you.

01:52:48That's why I keep showing up in the chat room

01:52:50show after show.

01:52:52It's really cool to be on here now.

01:52:54This ain't my show anymore.

01:52:56There's a new...

01:52:58There's the new crew that has just

01:53:00taken it to a whole new level.

01:53:02I'm now a fan.

01:53:04Colin, thank you

01:53:06for that. I am a

01:53:08fan of yours.

01:53:10I'm now a fan. I miss being

01:53:12in the chat room when I'm on the show. My eyes

01:53:14are looking at the chat.

01:53:16Yes, I am Generation

01:53:18X, not a boomer, Charlie.

01:53:20Thank you.

01:53:22Anything over 40 is a boomer.

01:53:24Anything over 25 is a

01:53:26boomer, I think.

01:53:28Jimmy's in boomer territory now.

01:53:30Josue's in boomer territory.

01:53:32Big Nick energy.

01:53:34I've been more quiet than

01:53:36I've ever been.

01:53:38Joey, if I've blocked you, it's because you deserved it.

01:53:40I actually don't know. If I did, I apologize.

01:53:44I do apologize.

01:53:46We love you too, Zach.

01:53:48Yeah, so...

01:53:50You know.

01:53:52I mean...

01:53:54Tatum, you have been here for seven years. I do appreciate that.

01:54:00We are

01:54:02coming back for 19 next year.

01:54:04So I'm a boomer, what the heck.

01:54:06I gotta say,

01:54:08this is incredible, John. I mean, I'm just sitting up

01:54:10here in the media section, looking down on the

01:54:12court. There's the

01:54:14confetti everywhere still.

01:54:16Players are on and off the court,

01:54:18literally. KP was just

01:54:20out here.

01:54:22Tatum was out here a little earlier.

01:54:24They come out to see their friends. And in the meantime,

01:54:26there are still fans here.

01:54:28Louise, you

01:54:30were spamming

01:54:32your JB love, but we learned

01:54:34to understand and appreciate it. Yes.

01:54:36And I apologize.

01:54:38Yeah, I apologize.

01:54:40I could be a bit of a tyrant, but go ahead.

01:54:42I don't think...

01:54:44I think that sometimes you

01:54:46get on a... I don't think you're a tyrant,

01:54:48man.

01:54:50That's fine.

01:54:52You've blocked me. You've canceled me from this show, remember?

01:54:54During my crazy COVID time?

01:54:56No.

01:54:58Guys, one of the reasons...

01:55:00I wouldn't say stoic. One of the reasons

01:55:02you're getting about 70% of this energy...

01:55:04I am in a working media room.

01:55:06I don't want to be screaming

01:55:08into the microphone right now here.

01:55:10That's why when we get to the court,

01:55:12we're going to bring big Nick

01:55:14energy to the

01:55:16broadcast, I promise.

01:55:18It's coming. So we will

01:55:20light it up. And you get Bobby's

01:55:22first take, and I do hope he got

01:55:24changed. And I do hope

01:55:26that...

01:55:28Did you play the Ray Allen?

01:55:30Did he send that over?

01:55:32What?

01:55:34John?

01:55:36Did you get the Ray Allen hit?

01:55:38I did.

01:55:40Nick, I'm being told the court is

01:55:42closed. Is that correct?

01:55:44It looks...

01:55:46Well, no. There's still people, but

01:55:48I think they're ushering people

01:55:50off now as we speak.

01:55:52Oh, that's so funny. So we got to figure out

01:55:54what and where we can go live from

01:55:56because we did want to do it.

01:55:58So we are

01:56:00figuring that out right now.

01:56:02But the court...

01:56:04The court, they are ushering people off.

01:56:06...

01:56:08For you, John.

01:56:10They know we're on our way out, so they're

01:56:12making room for us.

01:56:14I mean, it's not like a mad dash to security.

01:56:16It's just that you can see they're moving people out.

01:56:18We're being thrown off.

01:56:20They're not supposed to do that. They're supposed to be able to stay here

01:56:22literally until the end of time.

01:56:24So when will the parade be? Wednesday, probably, on Juneteenth.

01:56:26So everybody will be out of school?

01:56:28I don't believe so

01:56:30because I think there's going to be

01:56:32Juneteenth

01:56:34commemorations and

01:56:36observances that day.

01:56:38I also think the heat wave is going to make it

01:56:40prohibitive to be able to do this in the next

01:56:42couple of days. You might not get a cool down

01:56:44until Friday.

01:56:46So I wouldn't be stunned if they push it, but the problem is

01:56:48some players kind of want to go do their

01:56:50thing.

01:56:52Well, that's not been the first time, John.

01:56:54A lot of times people would skip the parade.

01:56:56Thank you, Jason.

01:56:58If they wait

01:57:00until Friday, that might be fun.

01:57:02Parade is Friday, I've been told.

01:57:04They're going to Miami

01:57:06and then they're coming back here

01:57:08for the Friday parade.

01:57:10So it is Friday.

01:57:12That means

01:57:14we've got to work Friday, John.

01:57:16Yeah, that as well.

01:57:18Hold on one second.

01:57:24I'm on solo.

01:57:26I'm the sentimental

01:57:28one now.

01:57:30It is amazing to be here after

01:57:32coming to this arena and shooting

01:57:34shows

01:57:36since

01:57:382011 or so

01:57:40to now be sitting here

01:57:42and talking about

01:57:44banner 18 for 14

01:57:46or 16 years, however long it's been.

01:57:48And now to actually know

01:57:50that it's going to get raised, and I

01:57:52swear to God I will be here opening night

01:57:54when they raise that banner

01:57:56and give out those rings.

01:57:58You know, I mean,

01:58:00John, you've been here before.

01:58:02For guys like me,

01:58:04I mean, I'm looking around and I couldn't

01:58:06believe how, they told me 400

01:58:08pounds of confetti was thrown

01:58:10out on the court.

01:58:12400 pounds

01:58:14of confetti.

01:58:16Tissue paper.

01:58:18It's

01:58:20not a Celtics related thing, but as I

01:58:22said, I've been fortunate. I've gotten to see a few of these

01:58:24over the years. One of my favorite ones

01:58:26was Super Bowl against the

01:58:28Panthers with the Patriots.

01:58:30That was their second Super Bowl win

01:58:32and I had somehow found my way out onto

01:58:34the field

01:58:36earlier than you were supposed to.

01:58:38And before they could pull all the media back,

01:58:40Rodney Harrison broke his arm and they had to cart

01:58:42him off the field and they stopped caring about us because

01:58:44they needed to get him through the tunnel. So I just

01:58:46worked my way up the sideline

01:58:48and I was just there watching Vinatieri's kick go through

01:58:50and the confetti gun

01:58:52exploded. I was right next to it. I had no idea.

01:58:54It exploded in my

01:58:56face and it was like

01:58:58pressurized and

01:59:00I just got literally blown away

01:59:02but it was crazy.

01:59:04So yeah, so Trophy

01:59:06is Friday.

01:59:08And the late night edition

01:59:10is as soon as we can get set

01:59:12up and we will set up and we promise we'll bring

01:59:14it to you in just a little bit. Super Chat

01:59:16is still rolling in. We want to thank everybody for

01:59:18coming. Dirk, I don't

01:59:20disagree. We haven't gotten into this talk much

01:59:22and we will in a second but I want

01:59:24to finish Nick's thought before

01:59:26that. Is it the beginning? And yes,

01:59:28of course everybody thinks it. What's the reason

01:59:30to believe that this is anything other than the

01:59:32start of something rather than

01:59:34well, they got one and let's just break it up

01:59:36and figure it. We're

01:59:38assuming

01:59:40that this is the

01:59:42team for two

01:59:44and three years and outside of Al Horford

01:59:46being up there in age, there's nobody here you're super

01:59:48worried about. Is he going to come back and be the same

01:59:50guy or better next year?

01:59:52Which is insane to

01:59:54think about as they are locked up

01:59:56and if they manage to get this Dirk White extension

01:59:58and yeah, they're going to be in cap jail

02:00:00and over the second apron for a little

02:00:02while but this is built to be

02:00:04a expensive

02:00:06team for the next couple

02:00:08of years. Ridiculously expensive when the

02:00:10Tatum extension kicks in. No one can bitch about WIC

02:00:12but they're going to ride it out

02:00:14and they're going to roll this back

02:00:16and there's every reason to believe

02:00:18that it could be the same or better

02:00:20going forward which is insane.

02:00:22And I also think

02:00:24there is some... They say

02:00:26this is so boomer but you guys know how

02:00:28young I was? I was 20 years younger. I was far

02:00:30from a boomer at that point

02:00:32when I got bodied by that cannon.

02:00:34You know?

02:00:36Far from a boomer. We might bring

02:00:38in, just to carry us

02:00:40while we set up on the live, we might bring in Bobby

02:00:42Manning a little bit and get his sense. I was

02:00:44hoping Bobby would be soaked by champagne

02:00:46for not taking my

02:00:48advice but he's fine. Bobby, you look

02:00:50dry. Did you not party correctly? What happened?

02:00:52Yeah, I stayed off

02:00:54to the side for the most part.

02:00:56Well, I think it was just kind of luck

02:00:58that that didn't happen because it was spraying all over

02:01:00the place. I got hit a couple times but no

02:01:02waterfalls on me so

02:01:04I do know they were looking pretty dry but there were a few

02:01:06moments where it hit me

02:01:08but man, what a scene in there. I was in there

02:01:10for about an hour. Talked to

02:01:12as many people as I could but

02:01:14man, it was just mostly music blasting,

02:01:16guys going crazy. Jordan

02:01:18Walsh especially was

02:01:20in a different world

02:01:22as a lot of them were

02:01:24but man, you could tell

02:01:26and what guys talked about

02:01:28in there for the most part

02:01:30was the collectiveness of this group.

02:01:32Obviously, we talked throughout the year

02:01:34of the Browns and Tatums and Horford

02:01:36and everyone else who were crucial to this team

02:01:38but they had a hell of a bench

02:01:40and they had guys who could step in

02:01:421 to 15

02:01:44in different roles. I think pretty much

02:01:46everybody on the active roster did something

02:01:48this year. You had a group

02:01:50here and obviously you had the main

02:01:52guys and the two-way guys and all that who didn't do

02:01:54a ton but we're talking about

02:01:5615, 16 people who

02:01:58legitimately contributed to this team. Felt like

02:02:00they contributed. Probably only like Walsh, JD

02:02:02and a couple other guys

02:02:04didn't do much for this group.

02:02:06Even Kata had a big role for that

02:02:08week or two where all the bigs were out.

02:02:10This is a team that was very

02:02:12together. A lot of talk about sacrifice

02:02:14especially the younger guys were saying that what they learned

02:02:16from this group this year was how

02:02:18important it is to sacrifice, how important it is

02:02:20to put yourself aside. That was

02:02:22really one of the

02:02:24dominating themes

02:02:26this year. Similar to 08.

02:02:28I don't know how much you've talked about that

02:02:30John but in the end I think

02:02:32we rolled our eyes a little bit at the beginning of the year

02:02:34when they were forcing a lot of that 08

02:02:36comparison talk.

02:02:38I don't know Bobby.

02:02:40I didn't roll my eyes

02:02:42much. I think I was on

02:02:44record saying that I think this team talent

02:02:46wise was really close. What

02:02:48I didn't know necessarily was the culture change

02:02:50aspect of it where

02:02:52that was a little hard to believe that

02:02:54it would change so quickly because

02:02:56you brought in

02:02:58basically two thirds of what came in

02:03:00from elsewhere of that new

02:03:02core was

02:03:04from the outside and

02:03:06the one guy KG being the alpha

02:03:08literally everybody followed his lead.

02:03:10He was such a force of nature

02:03:12that you didn't know what

02:03:14you had here. You knew you had guys who were

02:03:16willing to play their roles well.

02:03:18You didn't quite know what you were getting in

02:03:20for Zingas who while having an excellent

02:03:22season the year before in Washington you weren't sure

02:03:24the fit. You weren't sure the health.

02:03:26You weren't sure if it was a flash in the pan

02:03:28sort of thing.

02:03:30I think like night one with

02:03:32Zingas and the way that he played

02:03:34you were like oh my

02:03:36God like this

02:03:38is something. They let you know who they

02:03:40were early early

02:03:42early and you were getting it

02:03:44all year long. Again there's almost no let up.

02:03:46You look at every point in the schedule Bobby

02:03:48There's not slumps.

02:03:50There's not down patches.

02:03:52There weren't those where

02:03:54they never lost more than two games in a row.

02:03:56They never lost more than two games

02:03:58in a row. It was insane and obviously they had

02:04:00great health luck as well but also

02:04:02they had so much

02:04:04depth of top end talent

02:04:06they could play without one and

02:04:08two guys and be

02:04:10much better than the majority of teams

02:04:12who were playing particularly teams who were missing

02:04:14a player. It wasn't

02:04:16close and they did it all year long.

02:04:18In the final record

02:04:2080-21.

02:04:22They did it from legit

02:04:24day one. I think maybe the only knock was

02:04:26Bobby as you always point back to

02:04:28are they going to play defense

02:04:30the way that they need to play defense

02:04:32all year. At times

02:04:34they didn't but also how can you

02:04:36blame them?

02:04:38You're

02:04:40telling me some boredom is not going to set in

02:04:42in an 82 game season when you're just killing

02:04:44people and you end up winning the

02:04:46conference by 14-15 games.

02:04:48They did a pretty good job of

02:04:50not losing their focus here but the most

02:04:52impressive thing to me about the entire finals run

02:04:54was the defense and how committed

02:04:56they were to it because their offense was

02:04:58not outstanding

02:05:00and Dallas did make them work for some of it

02:05:02and they weren't that efficient and they

02:05:04weren't knocking down shots at a really great clip

02:05:06but their defense was

02:05:08relentless.

02:05:10It was their effort

02:05:12and Bobby

02:05:14you always said this and I do agree

02:05:16if this team defends

02:05:18they can't lose because

02:05:20there's going to be enough offense there

02:05:22they're capable of being an elite defensive

02:05:24team when they try and if they do

02:05:26that a team like Dallas is

02:05:28never going to be able to outscore them if

02:05:30the Celtics go balls to the wall and they did.

02:05:32The quote I'll remember most

02:05:34from the team this year actually came from Derek White

02:05:36they have an answer

02:05:38for everything. They just have to find it.

02:05:40They just have to get there. They have to react

02:05:42to what's going on and now I'm starting to talk

02:05:44but they

02:05:46have everything here. They had everything here

02:05:48and it's amazing to think

02:05:50you had guys going down left

02:05:52and right this year. You had

02:05:54game for two guys were out. Two key guys

02:05:56I think one of the things we said coming into the year

02:05:58John was you have a top six

02:06:00here that pretty much is going to have to do

02:06:02everything for this team and if you even lose

02:06:04one guy you're going to be in

02:06:06huge trouble. You lost one

02:06:08guy for basically the whole playoffs in

02:06:10Porzingis and got by and that

02:06:12was an area where you were a little more suited

02:06:14you had backup starter effectively

02:06:16there in Horford who was able to

02:06:18come in and do his thing and play at

02:06:20the level he did and

02:06:22that helped you a ton here and

02:06:24for him to sustain because he was

02:06:26ready in twenty twenty two.

02:06:28He was ready last year. He's been ready for a long

02:06:30time to do this and the team

02:06:32finally came around him and

02:06:34allowed him to have his moment here

02:06:36You start to worry a little bit that

02:06:38after twenty twenty two and last year

02:06:40when it fell to shambles in

02:06:42the east finals and you were uncertain about where

02:06:44the score was going that Horford would never get that

02:06:46one and that's honestly what feels

02:06:48the best for me out of this is seeing him do

02:06:50that so he was ginormous

02:06:52again Hauser

02:06:54I didn't

02:06:56think he was going to play a minute in the finals

02:06:58John and he's out here hitting threes

02:07:00in the clincher. He was all over

02:07:02the series. His defense

02:07:04the amount of deflections he got

02:07:06tap outs

02:07:08he was active tonight. He was awesome

02:07:10tonight. He was clearly like a huge part

02:07:12of the rotation. He was a huge part

02:07:14of the team all year. Played

02:07:16every day. Shot out of this world

02:07:18I've seen

02:07:20national evaluators and people

02:07:22who cover the sport nationally

02:07:24start to say

02:07:26this guy, the numbers he's put

02:07:28up and I don't have the playoff ones right in front of me

02:07:30but all year and what he's done going back to college

02:07:32and so far in his NBA career

02:07:34so far one of the best shooters

02:07:36ever and he's had

02:07:38his slumps and certainly in the indie series

02:07:40he was an absolute mess and that's what made me

02:07:42think he was going to fall out of the rotation here

02:07:44but another guy, death flies on this team

02:07:46who knew his role, fit a role

02:07:48and sustained

02:07:50the

02:07:52sustained success of this bench this year

02:07:54was really impressive and how everybody knew

02:07:56their roles and starters

02:07:58key guys knew their roles too. That's what it takes

02:08:00to win a championship and it felt like everybody

02:08:02on this roster knew their role

02:08:04and that brings me to Jalen

02:08:08It's so crazy John

02:08:10because we were sitting there in November

02:08:12saying how is he going to fit in

02:08:14where is he going to fit in on this team

02:08:16Well who took the

02:08:18longest to figure it out? It was him right?

02:08:20Yeah and in the end

02:08:22In the beginning and it didn't take that

02:08:24long but it did take the longest

02:08:26of those guys to figure out

02:08:28exactly where he fit but then

02:08:30then from

02:08:32whatever the turning point was

02:08:34he was playing the best basketball

02:08:36of his career once he kind of locked it in

02:08:38and so much of it came down to

02:08:40not forcing

02:08:42anything whereas

02:08:44that was always maybe the

02:08:46thing you could be most critical about

02:08:48in his game was

02:08:50forcing the issue

02:08:52dribbling with his head down into traffic

02:08:54taking shots when they weren't necessarily

02:08:56there doing things outside of the flow

02:08:58he didn't make

02:09:00bad decisions this year

02:09:02his reads were outstanding he just stopped doing

02:09:04all of the things that

02:09:06you know

02:09:08that had held him back before from

02:09:10kind of reaching that next elite level

02:09:12his stats came down a tad but he was

02:09:14just such a much much better player

02:09:16and then the commitment on the defensive end as well

02:09:18he was ridiculous this year

02:09:20the last two thirds of the season

02:09:22you can argue he was their best player

02:09:24and the defense

02:09:26if we're going to write a book about

02:09:28this season or a documentary

02:09:30or whatever it will be

02:09:32the first moment

02:09:34to me the moment that started this whole season

02:09:36was that event where he signed the extension

02:09:38the MIT

02:09:40event that he does every year

02:09:42the program for the kids and

02:09:44one of the biggest things he

02:09:46said that day toward

02:09:48the next season that was about to come

02:09:50was defense

02:09:52get the defensive identity back

02:09:54he wanted to recommit to defense

02:09:56and he didn't make

02:09:58the all defensive team like he wanted to

02:10:00he and Tatum both said that

02:10:02going into the year that they wanted to be on those all defense

02:10:04teams

02:10:06but they both reached a level

02:10:08that they were

02:10:10capable of those guys have all

02:10:12the defensive tools in the world and it was so frustrating

02:10:14John I know you were just talking a lot about the offensive

02:10:16frustration you had watching Brown in the past

02:10:18you were probably about as frustrated as

02:10:20anyone watching him some of these past

02:10:22seasons but nothing drove

02:10:24me us crazier than

02:10:26watching a guy who's 6'5

02:10:286'6 great length

02:10:30strong started his career as a defender

02:10:32just get lost and

02:10:34give up

02:10:36against Philly

02:10:38oh my god that

02:10:40still haunts me but leaving Harden

02:10:42in the corner but that's always

02:10:44been the knock on him though it was

02:10:46outstanding lockdown

02:10:48individual defender when he's

02:10:50focused on it but not necessarily a good team defender

02:10:52he cleaned up that stuff a lot too

02:10:54they really were connected

02:10:56he didn't see him drifting

02:10:58there was always problems sometimes

02:11:00with over helping

02:11:02getting lost sometimes on screens or switches

02:11:04miscommunications

02:11:06where people would be looking at each other and often times

02:11:08it was kind of like yeah that was you

02:11:10that didn't happen this year not nearly

02:11:12as well so you clean that aspect

02:11:14of it up and then you are

02:11:16this athletic beast like he is

02:11:18who can keep anybody in front of him

02:11:20I mean that's as

02:11:22much one of the most fun things

02:11:24of this entire series was just watching him

02:11:26relentlessly pound

02:11:28Luca up and down the court it was

02:11:30great it was great

02:11:32to watch yeah

02:11:34and that keyed many

02:11:36of these series many of these matchups allowing

02:11:38him to embrace that one matchup

02:11:40play to his strength

02:11:42and benefit from

02:11:44his commitment to that

02:11:46matchup and they switch

02:11:48and they do different schemes and stuff but

02:11:50a lot of the time it was him on a Luca

02:11:52him on a Donovan Mitchell

02:11:54him on all these different

02:11:56star wings that the Celtics went against

02:11:58during this run

02:12:00they benefited from that immensely and that's where

02:12:02you go back to Joe here

02:12:04all the doubts

02:12:06about him all the criticism about him

02:12:10valid last year right

02:12:12he struggled at moments

02:12:14it felt like he

02:12:16had a tough time

02:12:18figuring out what this team was going

02:12:20to be how he would make his imprint

02:12:22on it how he'd get the team to believe in him

02:12:24because for a lot of last year

02:12:26you know I don't have reporting on this

02:12:28but there seemed to be doubts in him

02:12:30in different points and it obviously reached

02:12:32ahead in that east finals and

02:12:34we've talked about John how if they get swept there

02:12:36probably wouldn't

02:12:38have been great for him and

02:12:40he admitted it

02:12:42he on that podcast

02:12:44going into the year was like

02:12:46think about how we were

02:12:48obsessed with the one seed all year everyone was

02:12:50obsessed with the one seed he even looked at

02:12:52me and said you were asking how to feel to

02:12:54lose that one seed you regret

02:12:56that and he

02:12:58pointed out if we won

02:13:00that one seed we would have played the heat

02:13:02round one and we would have

02:13:04lost probably and I would have been fired

02:13:06and so

02:13:08they play them in these finals and they lose but

02:13:10they make that comeback that

02:13:12they did there and a lot of it felt too little too

02:13:14late they obviously

02:13:16blew up the team or parts of the team after

02:13:18that but

02:13:20it showed something there

02:13:22and I think it gained him

02:13:24some breathing room

02:13:26he obviously got the extension

02:13:28there which was important too

02:13:30but this year and obviously I'm

02:13:32sure some of the assistance helped and

02:13:34he had a different team maybe a more bought

02:13:36in team a full summer certainly

02:13:38all that stuff

02:13:40I sat here last May

02:13:42late last day and

02:13:44we asked the question should you fire Joe

02:13:46and I

02:13:48leaned yes I leaned

02:13:50yes but I said

02:13:52if they believe in him

02:13:54if they think he has enormous potential

02:13:56all

02:13:58the excuses are valid

02:14:00no summer thrust in late

02:14:02September assistants who are about

02:14:04to bolt out the door at the end of the year

02:14:06a team that maybe wasn't

02:14:08100% 1000% bought in

02:14:10all that was valid

02:14:12I don't think anyone had more excuses

02:14:14coaching wise and

02:14:16league history than Joe last

02:14:18year so their commitment

02:14:20to him I thought was

02:14:22valid I didn't love it

02:14:24I had my doubts about

02:14:26him I had my doubts about some

02:14:28of the philosophies John but you look at what it did

02:14:30the threes

02:14:32for all the complaining about the threes

02:14:34their

02:14:36ability to get a shot off quick

02:14:38the first open shot

02:14:40get a quality look off

02:14:42each time down the floor

02:14:44that took a team that in the finals two years

02:14:46ago turned the ball over on 16 17

02:14:48percent of their possessions

02:14:50to a team that led the league in turnover

02:14:52percentage this year best turnover percentage

02:14:54in the league and they never gave away the ball

02:14:56this year and that's a lot

02:14:58a lot on Joe

02:15:00Joe emphasized the offensive rebounding

02:15:02how many times was drew in there tonight

02:15:04just grabbing an offensive board

02:15:06giving them more time giving them another opportunity

02:15:08what became clear is the

02:15:10yeah what became clear as the season

02:15:12went on Bobby was you know

02:15:14I think there was some perception of

02:15:16Joe doing anything or just letting them play

02:15:18to how much of his identity

02:15:20and character that the team

02:15:22did take on you know

02:15:24he relentlessly hammered

02:15:26home the concept of

02:15:28winning the math games

02:15:30and some people thought it was ridiculous

02:15:32how many arguments were had and how many

02:15:34back and forth on games where they would

02:15:36shoot too many threes and not hit them and then

02:15:38questions asked about too many threes

02:15:40look definitively

02:15:42resoundingly

02:15:44Joe was right about the math

02:15:46he was right about all

02:15:48of it the math in terms

02:15:50of Celtics getting up more threes

02:15:52and why that was important

02:15:54and the

02:15:56shots that they were willing to

02:15:58concede to other teams the way

02:16:00they wanted to play defense it wasn't all about

02:16:02why is that guy open

02:16:04it was I'm willing to live with that

02:16:06and that was hard for a lot of people to see

02:16:08because your instinct is just guard the

02:16:10open shooter you know and

02:16:12you see like that game against Miami

02:16:14where they lose game two that was a great example

02:16:16of it and they're like yeah whatever

02:16:18it's fine you know like they weren't

02:16:20super worried about it

02:16:22Joe had a plan you know Joe

02:16:24had a plan and a vision for how

02:16:26he thought this team

02:16:28could and would win and

02:16:30by the end you could see how

02:16:32bought in all of them were and the way that they

02:16:34were talking about him when being asked

02:16:36about it there's a lot of I think

02:16:38you know that

02:16:40year one you never know right because the coach

02:16:42does more than just X's and O's

02:16:44the coach has to kind of come in the room and you got

02:16:46to feel that he always is on top of things

02:16:48and you don't know what you don't know and Joe took lumps

02:16:50and that's hard to do as a rookie coach with a veteran

02:16:52team that has championship

02:16:54aspirations

02:16:56by year two he cleaned up so much of that

02:16:58that there was clear clear clear

02:17:00buy in from all of these guys

02:17:02and you can really see it in both

02:17:04how the way they talked about him and the way that they played

02:17:06they really respect this guy

02:17:08yeah I see some people in the chat

02:17:10also asking about the parade

02:17:12Gary Washburn tweeting

02:17:14out that Celtics are going to go to Miami

02:17:16for a couple days and the parade will be

02:17:18here

02:17:20we will do something from the parade

02:17:22it is not

02:17:24this is the link to our late night show guys

02:17:26as soon as those guys are set up we're shutting this down

02:17:28we're going to run into position we're going to jump on

02:17:30so you can see the whole crew together in one spot

02:17:32and do that so again

02:17:34link to the late night show

02:17:36jump up there you guys

02:17:38and make sure that you check it out

02:17:40because we are going to

02:17:42kind of bring the whole gang together here

02:17:44yeah

02:17:46Friday I think a lot of people

02:17:48were guessing the heat is one of the issues

02:17:50here

02:17:52yeah that's probably

02:17:54a good idea I think it's hitting 90s

02:17:56I know you guys probably talked about it for an hour

02:17:58John how surprised

02:18:00were you when Jalen won the MVP

02:18:02I didn't talk

02:18:04about it at all because I don't care

02:18:06much about MVPs

02:18:08it was 7-4

02:18:10I thought Tatum locked it up tonight

02:18:12I thought he did

02:18:14but again when you put up the numbers

02:18:16if you want to go side by side with them

02:18:18and you want to talk about it a little bit

02:18:20Tatum

02:18:22and I'll throw him up here real quick

02:18:26that was his numbers tonight

02:18:28but if you look at his series numbers here

02:18:30it's that 38% field goal

02:18:32percentage that I think killed him

02:18:34in 26 from 3

02:18:36he just didn't shoot well enough

02:18:38to justify winning in some people's eyes

02:18:40even though he did do so many other things

02:18:42and I think Brown ultimately gets the nod

02:18:44for

02:18:46shooting the ball a little bit

02:18:48better even though from 3 he was brutal

02:18:50again tonight

02:18:52he did well as far as his assists

02:18:54and his rebounds go relative to his stats

02:18:56but I think he gets the nod simply for

02:18:58drawing the assignment of having to

02:19:00defend full court

02:19:02for an entire game and obviously

02:19:04there's switches and this and that

02:19:06but the best offensive player in basketball

02:19:08I think that's what tips it for him

02:19:10yeah

02:19:12and I'm sure I haven't heard some of the arguments

02:19:14from the voters again I would have voted Tatum

02:19:16I understand

02:19:18I thought he got it

02:19:20especially from a numbers standpoint

02:19:22scoring wise, efficiency wise

02:19:24Brown a little better than Tatum here

02:19:26so I get it

02:19:28and the defensive role he played

02:19:30in this series warrants

02:19:32a nod

02:19:34and Tatum struggled

02:19:36early and someone had to pick him up

02:19:38and if you think about how the series went

02:19:40the early games end up meaning a little bit more than

02:19:42some of the later ones because you have the cushion there

02:19:44when Tatum starts to turn it on

02:19:46again though

02:19:48the passing

02:19:50even tonight

02:19:52out of this world

02:19:54you never imagined it'd be this consistent

02:19:56this effective

02:19:58this

02:20:00clean, no turnovers

02:20:02for most of the series

02:20:04he avoided those

02:20:06he's dealing with that crowd of 2-3 guys

02:20:08early and often here

02:20:10and he manages to just keep making

02:20:12the right play

02:20:14I know we've dealt with that

02:20:16that argument for him all year

02:20:18even when he shot at his worst

02:20:20but it became true

02:20:22I thought it became the story of this series early and often

02:20:24I don't think he was robbed

02:20:26I don't think it's a huge snub

02:20:28either one of these guys could have gotten it

02:20:30and they both certainly got plenty of help around them

02:20:32but I guess the biggest argument

02:20:34is that he was a tone setter

02:20:36even vocally

02:20:38the encouragement you heard him give

02:20:40throughout the playoffs

02:20:42the talk in the huddles

02:20:44after losses

02:20:46some of the statements he would make

02:20:48even after games where he just didn't feel like they generally played well

02:20:50emotion-wise

02:20:52not on the court

02:20:54he ended up becoming this team's KG

02:20:56which I was surprised about

02:20:58he's a quieter guy

02:21:00these guys didn't always embrace leadership

02:21:02vocal leadership

02:21:04but when smart went out the door

02:21:06one of the biggest arguments you heard for that

02:21:08was these guys

02:21:10Jalen, Jason need to step up

02:21:12and I'm sure Jason did some things too

02:21:14in that regard

02:21:16but Jalen's the guy you saw

02:21:18Jalen's the guy you heard

02:21:20and he seemed to set a tone for this team

02:21:22from a vocal standpoint

02:21:24he did

02:21:26because if you think about it

02:21:28you look at all of the other leaders on the team

02:21:30you have Tatum

02:21:32who's never really embraced that role

02:21:34that's not his style

02:21:36and then everybody else is a quiet professional

02:21:38with Holiday

02:21:40and White and Horford

02:21:42and a lot of people would always look at Al like

02:21:44why isn't Al going in there

02:21:46it's not his thing, he's a lead by example guy

02:21:48but you had three of those guys, somebody had to

02:21:50it wasn't going to be Porzingis either

02:21:52so it really kind of had to

02:21:54by default be Brown

02:21:56and I do think he was that guy

02:21:58he became the energy guy

02:22:00and I think Tatum was fine to let him have it

02:22:02I don't think he was like

02:22:04they co-existed

02:22:06at times they enhanced each other

02:22:08I think of the game three, the third quarter

02:22:10some of the best passing between them I've ever seen

02:22:12I think they had seven assists to each other

02:22:14in that game combined

02:22:16there's a high number for them

02:22:18which is very high

02:22:20that's their season average

02:22:22that's their collective season average

02:22:24to average it to each other is pretty significant

02:22:26yeah

02:22:28so

02:22:30they found their spots on the floor

02:22:32for Tatum a lot of times it was at the top

02:22:34on the ball

02:22:36initiating things

02:22:38and for Brown many times

02:22:40he got close to the basket

02:22:42with the ball in his hands off a pass

02:22:44and finished

02:22:46and that dynamic worked

02:22:48they found their spots

02:22:50the match up often went in Brown's favor

02:22:52he would find the Kyries of the world

02:22:54and again to go back to some of the

02:22:56identifiable traits of this team

02:22:58what made them who they are

02:23:00they never let anybody off the hook

02:23:02and who knows how they would have done against the Denver here

02:23:04obviously all of us were scared of that

02:23:06to some degree

02:23:08Minnesota physically especially with the new officiating

02:23:10would have been tough

02:23:12but Dallas

02:23:14not just that they were a 5 seed

02:23:16and maybe not the strongest team in the west

02:23:18but it was a team

02:23:20that they could exhibit their mismatch

02:23:22hunting to the highest degree

02:23:24against and that's what allowed them to

02:23:26win this series in 5

02:23:28it made their offense so potent

02:23:30at different points here in this series

02:23:32they could just work Luka

02:23:34tire him out, take him out of the game

02:23:36Kyrie that was always there as a target

02:23:38so that was great

02:23:40we talked a lot about the defense up the top

02:23:42in this series and that was key for when things went cold

02:23:44obviously they had that 8 point

02:23:46stretch tonight for 11 minutes John

02:23:48and they held them up to 8 points over that stretch

02:23:50so their ability to

02:23:52sustain some of these droughts

02:23:54some of these lapses offensively

02:23:56they're always going to be there to some degree with this group

02:23:58that was huge

02:24:00so

02:24:02that's big and

02:24:04then you go to Chris Stapps

02:24:08I couldn't believe he got out there

02:24:10tonight John

02:24:12the chat's been dying to hear your Chris Stapps take

02:24:16I understand it now

02:24:20I understand

02:24:22the lift he gave them

02:24:24just by getting out there

02:24:26he didn't do a ton tonight

02:24:28but when he entered the game

02:24:30the energy it gave the crowd

02:24:32the energy it gave the team

02:24:34him able to get that mismatch against Green

02:24:36not really move much

02:24:38at different points his movement here

02:24:40didn't look good and that defensive stretch

02:24:42to start his first stint

02:24:44was not good at all

02:24:46and the Mavs were ready for it

02:24:48and it almost looked like something that could have

02:24:50disrupted them and I said coming into the night

02:24:52John, if it went the wrong way in that

02:24:54first stint, that could have deflated

02:24:56the team, that could have made him incapable

02:24:58of continuing the play

02:25:00that could have thrown the whole night for a loop but he comes out

02:25:02in that second stint and does much better

02:25:04that play where Luka tried to

02:25:06target him in the corner and couldn't get

02:25:08by him, threw it out, got it back

02:25:10couldn't get by him again, just ends up settling

02:25:12for a 3 over him, that was a huge

02:25:14moment for Chris Stapps in this one

02:25:16I also like when Jones

02:25:18tossed him to the ground, he snapped right back up

02:25:20yeah, and so who knows

02:25:22what this summer is going to hold for him

02:25:24did he say anything? You guys were listening

02:25:26in a little bit I bet, I wasn't in on him

02:25:28I'm sure he's going to have to have surgery

02:25:30who knows what's

02:25:32going to happen with the Olympics for him which kind of sucks

02:25:34but this is the finals, this is your championship

02:25:36moment and he got out there and did whatever

02:25:38he could, obviously he was in the podium here

02:25:40with the trophy after saying

02:25:42how could he not get out there

02:25:44the talk leading up to this game after the injury

02:25:46obviously was that he was willing to die out there

02:25:48that was my question

02:25:50I asked him in the locker room there

02:25:52and as long as the medical

02:25:54staff allowed him

02:25:56he was going to get out there

02:25:58it was a positive tonight, a ginormous

02:26:00positive, an energy lifter

02:26:02I don't know if they would have been able

02:26:04to do it without him

02:26:06no, and again

02:26:08it was all of those things

02:26:10they probably could I guess, but it does

02:26:12change the tone for a lot of different things

02:26:14because as we said before the show

02:26:16it almost did act like a decoy

02:26:18where you do put them out there and you force their bigs to extend

02:26:20you force them to defend out

02:26:22past the three point line

02:26:24and so that clears things up in the paint

02:26:26you got him one good

02:26:28one or two good touches in the post

02:26:30where he was able to capitalize there and shoot over the top

02:26:32of somebody, but then defensively

02:26:34he did challenge a couple of shots

02:26:36he wasn't moving

02:26:38in space great

02:26:40you don't want Chris Epps' face

02:26:42against this team or really anybody anyway

02:26:44they did a really good job protecting him

02:26:46letting him play drop, doing the thing

02:26:48they did in game two there

02:26:50where they would extend out, push out the defender

02:26:52let Porzingis jump back before they could get the ball

02:26:54back into the interior or to a

02:26:56lob to one of their big guys

02:26:58and did a good job closing those out

02:27:00and he was there to kind of

02:27:02just be that

02:27:04little bit of rim presence that they needed

02:27:06that didn't exist before

02:27:08when he's out

02:27:10and really doesn't exist if he's not

02:27:12able to provide it

02:27:14they don't have another guy who does that for them

02:27:16so he didn't end up with any blocks

02:27:18but he did have a couple of challenges

02:27:20and I thought all of that stuff mattered

02:27:22and again he did exactly what we said

02:27:24Bobby, we're looking at what

02:27:26three, four minute stints, just get out there

02:27:28and that's what he did

02:27:30and I think it's better than the 11, 12, 13 minutes

02:27:32he would have gotten from Tillman

02:27:34in place there

02:27:36because it's not just what he did

02:27:38it's what it allows the rest of the team to do

02:27:40the only worry was

02:27:42kind of what happened in that first stint

02:27:44which is, what if it's awful

02:27:46and it wasn't

02:27:48awful, but it wasn't great

02:27:50because they got like five

02:27:52open threes in the first three minutes

02:27:54he was on the court, and if they knocked

02:27:56those down, that could have been

02:27:58so there was some moments

02:28:00there where you're like, oh

02:28:02I am very happy with how

02:28:04he looked in that second

02:28:06rotation

02:28:08when he got back in there

02:28:10much, much, much better, and you do wonder

02:28:12maybe he just needed to test it a little bit

02:28:14I think the Celtics helped him out much

02:28:16in that first quarter either, with the switching

02:28:18he was like, wait

02:28:20where did you go and where am I supposed to be now

02:28:22the Celtics

02:28:24didn't do him any favours

02:28:26Yeah

02:28:28and they did some good things statically

02:28:30you even saw it through that first sequence

02:28:32where they were getting the threes off of him

02:28:34they would try to bring him into actions

02:28:36and he would switch off a guy to his

02:28:38side, and that guy, Derek White

02:28:40in the first case where I saw it

02:28:42would switch onto the guy who was trying to screen

02:28:44off the ball handler

02:28:46so Poizetas could stay back

02:28:48and that guy would end up coming

02:28:50and switching, which was

02:28:52White at that point, and it was clunky

02:28:54that's what allowed some of the miscommunications

02:28:56in threes that they got off there

02:28:58Green got back to back ones, Exum got one

02:29:00off over him

02:29:02but

02:29:04it was good scheming, it was good

02:29:06execution in a lot of cases

02:29:08and this is what I loved about this

02:29:10team, they had some zones they could go to

02:29:12they had some different ways they could

02:29:14align defensively, they could switch

02:29:16matchups, so they could have different guys

02:29:18defending the screener and switching onto the

02:29:20ball handler, Tatum

02:29:22for a lot of the series would guard the centre

02:29:24so he'd be able to come out and pop onto Luka or Kyrie

02:29:26it's just a versatility

02:29:28yeah, that's something he's not getting

02:29:30enough credit for, he had to bang with Gafford

02:29:32a lot down low, that wasn't awesome

02:29:34most

02:29:36stars don't do that

02:29:38they don't do that

02:29:40and that's where the conversation becomes

02:29:42that's where the conversation becomes difficult now

02:29:44and listen, he's a

02:29:46champion, so he's there with

02:29:48Jokic, he's there with Giannis

02:29:50among those guys at the top of the league who have

02:29:52led their team, but the way

02:29:54he did it didn't look like those guys

02:29:56he didn't carry the ball for 40%

02:29:58of the game like Luka did

02:30:00he didn't score all the points

02:30:02he didn't carry the team

02:30:04single-handedly on the offensive end

02:30:06like a lot of those stars do at the top of the league

02:30:08but we kept asking

02:30:10throughout this playoff run, John, who is Tatum?

02:30:12what does he do?

02:30:14Joe summed it up well a lot of the times

02:30:16where he'd get these questions and talk about them

02:30:18his versatility is

02:30:20what makes him great

02:30:22I think you could argue

02:30:24there's never been a more

02:30:26versatile

02:30:28wing who touches every area

02:30:30of the game like he does

02:30:32quite like he does, because

02:30:34he can shoot, maybe he's not elite as a shooter

02:30:36certainly he went through these

02:30:38crazy slings with it this year, but he's a threat

02:30:40out there

02:30:46his shot got funky

02:30:48somebody tweeted

02:30:50his jump shot looks like an elephant

02:30:52unfurling its trunk

02:30:54and it is, it became weird

02:30:56kind of groovy with him

02:30:58he's got to get back to it a little bit

02:31:00and get a quick snap release

02:31:02something was a little bit off with that

02:31:04I think it became a little bit deliberate and long

02:31:06and I don't know if that's because

02:31:08it wasn't flowing through him

02:31:10and he was maybe trying to

02:31:12take a little bit more

02:31:14I'm not a shot doctor

02:31:16but it didn't look a lot

02:31:18it became his weakness

02:31:20it became his weakness

02:31:22but everywhere else

02:31:24A efforts, the passing, the ball control

02:31:26the defense, the rebounding

02:31:28the positional versatility

02:31:30that he could play for this team

02:31:32they put him at the 5 again tonight, didn't go great

02:31:34but he's capable of that

02:31:36and that isn't something

02:31:38like you said other stars do

02:31:40in this league

02:31:42I just try to put it one way

02:31:44there's certainly been more versatile stars

02:31:46than him that have played this game

02:31:48but I think in the league today

02:31:50there's not a star more versatile

02:31:52than him, is that fair to say?

02:31:54Um

02:31:56you know

02:31:58Giannis can't shoot

02:32:00I would say SGA is pretty versatile

02:32:02too and his ability to defend as well

02:32:04in what he's able to do

02:32:06I don't know if he can defend up though

02:32:08you know, no he can't

02:32:10Jimmy Butler's another guy but he's not as prolific

02:32:12a scorer

02:32:14there either

02:32:16he's not a terrific shooter

02:32:18prime Kawhi for sure but again

02:32:20he's not

02:32:22entirely himself right now

02:32:24Durant I think is really close too

02:32:26because he defends a lot better than people

02:32:28give him credit for and he also is

02:32:30a pretty good playmaker and he's got that

02:32:32midi game that just makes

02:32:34him such an elite 3 level scorer

02:32:36that he's someone who

02:32:38probably doesn't get credit enough for all

02:32:40that he does but he's also getting up there

02:32:42in age and he's not going to, you're not putting Durant

02:32:44on centers or

02:32:46your best guy and this and that

02:32:48once again I'm putting this up here

02:32:50we're doing as promised here

02:32:52we are going to get the band together, we're going to gather

02:32:54up, we're going to do one last little stint

02:32:56here, Garden Report late night, the link is

02:32:58pinned here and as you can see

02:33:00it, jump

02:33:02over in about 5 minutes

02:33:04the link is already active

02:33:06you can jump in there, jump in the waiting room, we are just

02:33:08setting up, Ahmet's set up

02:33:10those guys are in place, Bobby and I just need to

02:33:12get there, give us like 5 minutes guys, we're going

02:33:14to jump in and we are going to do

02:33:16a little bit more Garden

02:33:18Report, you get Joe Swayze's take as well and you get to

02:33:20see all of us hanging out together, we want to

02:33:22ring this one in with you guys before we wrap it up

02:33:24so we're going to wrap this one up

02:33:26and we're going to head upstairs and we're going to do our

02:33:28final show, go seek out that link

02:33:30thank you guys for hanging out

02:33:32Celtics defeat the Mavericks

02:33:34106-88, they win

02:33:36their 18th

02:33:39I got one more question for you, John

02:33:44alright, I'll save it

02:33:47yeah, I'll save it

02:34:015 minutes

02:34:08alright, we're going to do a little bit more

02:34:10we hope to see you guys all there

02:34:12and we are wrapping this one up

02:34:14now

02:34:16wait, Ahmet's got an outro for us I think

02:34:18no he doesn't

02:34:20he said he was going to work on an outro

02:34:22he had a phenomenal game

02:34:24phenomenal

02:34:26poor Fritz out, I think it's an awesome

02:34:32that did not sound like a chair

02:34:34it was a freaking chair, it does sound like a chair

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