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"hi again, I have a fun question, that is tongue and cheek. In your book the Art of The Argument, on page 108, last paragraph it talks about activity in the female brain, that generally differs from the male brain. Specifically the Dorso-medial prefontal cortex and the right amygdala. I'm summarizing that men tend to be more analytical in thinking, and women are more emotional. If we are wired differently, and of course there are always exceptions, should we as a society go back to more traditional roles in society, like more men in politics, arena's of science etc, and women being teachers and more nurturing professions since we are literally wired differently?"


"Many young people at my work have no interest in having children, even though they are completely capable of doing so. Even people in their late 20's and early 30's say they don't want kids. All the reasons are for selfish reasons, such as children are too expensive or they just want to "enjoy life", or that waking up all night is too much stress for them to take care of an infant. Is not having children on purpose even if completely capable of doing so immoral?"

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00:00All right, good morning everybody. Questions from freedomain.locals.com. Somebody says,
00:05hi again, I have a fun question. That is tongue in cheek. In your book, The Art of the Argument,
00:12on page 108, last paragraph, it talks about activity in the female brain that generally
00:17differs from the male brain, specifically the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex and the right
00:22amygdala. I'm summarizing that men tend to be more analytical than thinking and women are more
00:27emotional. If we are wired differently, and of course there are always exceptions, should we,
00:31as a society, go back to more traditional roles in society, like more men in politics,
00:37arenas of science, etc., and women being teachers and nurturing professionals,
00:41since we are literally wired differently? Right, so my only prescription is no violence.
00:51I don't have any prescription other than thou shalt not. Right, I don't have a prescription
00:58for society. I don't have a goal for society. I don't have an ought for society. All I have
01:05is ought not. Thou shalt not initiate force against thy fellow man and woman, and in particular,
01:16child. It's all I got. It's all I have. As far as how society should be constituted,
01:23don't know, and don't care, and don't care. I refuse to submit to the narcissism
01:31of micromanaging billions and billions of people. The only way that you can tell someone what they
01:39must do, rather than what they must not do, the only way that you can even consider telling someone
01:45what he must do, is if you dehumanize him completely and replace him as a meat puppet
01:51populated only by your own bottomless vanity. I'm not talking about you. I'm just talking about the
01:55general mindset. You must do this. Women ought to do that. Men should do this. I don't care.
02:02I don't want to care. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is people get out of my face
02:07with their guns. That's what matters to me. That's what is of concern to me. What they do
02:14when they're not baying for the initiation of force against me, I don't care. I don't care.
02:21I don't want people robbing my house. I don't want people robbing anyone's houses. I don't
02:26want people robbing anyone at all. What they do when they're not robbing, could care less.
02:32It's not my job. It's not possible. It's not reality-based. It's not preferable,
02:39and it will drive you insane to micromanage other people.
02:43So who gets micromanaged? Look in society. Look at what's happening when we talk about
02:48micromanaging. Again, I'm not putting you in this category specifically, but when you say,
02:53should we return to more traditional blah blah blah, I don't particularly care about tradition.
03:00I think it's got some interesting and valuable things to offer, but I don't particularly care
03:04about tradition for the obvious and simple reason that in tradition, women and men,
03:12and in particular children, were regularly abused. Just talk about traditional methods of child
03:18raising involve beating children. So as far as tradition goes, no, thanks, not a fan. Not a fan,
03:25because all that really matters to me is the rights of children, because if we don't secure
03:29the protection of children, nothing else in society is ever going to work.
03:34If you start building a road in the wrong direction, it's actually worse if it's built
03:38better because you've wasted more time, energy, effort, and resources in going in the wrong
03:42direction. So if we can't get childhood right, we can't get anything right, which is why I focus
03:47on childhood from, I think, the second or third show I ever did. If we can't get childhood right,
03:53can't get anything right. So who is micromanaged in society? If you've been a stay-at-home parent,
04:00and I've had the great blessing of being a stay-at-home parent, who's micromanaged in
04:03society? Toddlers. Babies aren't exactly micromanaged because they can't move with
04:10their own accord, right? They certainly can't walk around until a year plus of age. They can't
04:17crawl, really. So who is micromanaged? Older babies, toddlers, young children. People who
04:27are massively cognitively limited, right? And that's right. We should do that, right?
04:33Toddlers are death magnets, particularly boys. Cisernovich said they run from room to room
04:38looking to either destroy something or put themselves in danger. Now, that wasn't me,
04:45particularly, as a boy. But I was saving up my capacity to do damage for delusions,
04:52societal delusions, as I grew up. But who do we micromanage? We micromanage toddlers.
05:00And we don't grant toddlers free will, independence, rights, adulthood,
05:04moral responsibility, and so on, right? At least, not much. So the dream of
05:13having people in society do what you want them to do, rather than simply refrain from doing evil,
05:21the idea in society of having people do what you want them to do, should we return to a more
05:27traditional this, that, or the other, is a feminine fantasy. Micromanaging and this kind of tyranny
05:36come about because of feminine impulses, combined with, of course, politics. So when the male mind
05:44gets combined with politics, you get tyranny through militarism. When the female mind gets
05:50involved in politics, you get tyranny through welfare. Focusing on the welfare of others,
05:55you should do this, you must do that, you can't do this, it's bad to do that, don't say this,
06:01you get tyranny through welfare. And I'm, you know, kind of tired of tyranny as a whole, and so
06:10I don't want it. The tyranny of toddlerhood is not good in society because it prevents people
06:19from growing up. So what I want is for people to be free, and that means free of coercion,
06:26and that means with the opportunity to grow into genuine functioning adults.
06:31Now, what do I predict will happen when people are free? Well, everybody wants freedom and freedom
06:39from consequences, and you can't have both, right? You can have freedom, or you can have freedom from
06:44consequences, but the two are diametrically opposed. So will society, in a free society,
06:53will women generally return to raising, nurturing, breastfeeding young children? Yeah,
07:01because that's what's best for children. Will there be women who make mistakes, who have children
07:06out of wedlock, and so on? Yeah, sure, it'll happen. And the cost of that will accrue to
07:12their parents, as used to be the case. So I think that will happen overall, since it tends to be
07:20what's better for children. But you can't have morality if you shield people from negative
07:24consequences, because you can't have morality without cost. And of course, every individual
07:32wants to be rescued from their bad mistakes, for sure. Yeah, I mean, like everybody who goes and
07:38gambles and ends up $10,000 in debt to a casino would love for someone to swoop in and pay off
07:45that $10,000. Sure, I understand that. Every individual wants to avoid the consequences of
07:49their own bad decisions. However, for society as a whole, if we rescue people from the consequences
07:55of their own bad decisions, well, everybody becomes amoral and society falls apart, right?
08:03I mean, and this is, of course, a ridiculous biological analogy, but like no individual
08:09rabbit wants to get chased away from the best patch of grass, right? Some predator comes along
08:16and chases them away. But if no rabbits are ever chased away from the best grass, then the rabbits
08:24eat up all the best grass, and then the next best grass, and then all the rabbits end up starving
08:28to death, right? This is one of the tensions, right? It's one of the things that politics
08:34subverts. No individual wants to suffer the results of bad decisions, of his or her own bad
08:42decisions. But if, as a society, we force everyone to rescue those who've made bad decisions,
08:49then society as a whole becomes amoral. Why bother being good if you can use force to
08:57make other people pay for your bad decisions? So think of a gambler who's given an infinite
09:03credit card. And we kind of know this to some degree from what happens with lottery winners,
09:08right? So imagine a gambler who's given an infinite credit card. Well, the gambler is not
09:14going to suffer any negative consequences for running up his gambling debts. He's going to
09:21avoid negative feedback, pain, anxiety, worry, stress, having to sell his car, whatever, right?
09:28So he just gambles more and more and more, which transfers more and more money from the productive
09:33elements of the economy to the unproductive elements of the economy. And it's pretty much
09:38a disaster for everyone. So rather than his economy, his personal economy collapsing, and
09:45thus he reforms and hopefully makes better decisions, instead of his economy collapsing,
09:52the entire economy collapses. So yeah, I mean, and of course, women have an instinct to rescue
09:59people from the consequences of bad decisions. Of course they do. Because they evolved to deal
10:08with babies and toddlers. And you don't let toddlers learn through harsh experience.
10:13Oh yeah, fall down those stairs, you won't do that again. You don't because it's too risky
10:18and too dangerous. And it's unfair to expect toddlers new to the planet to know the consequences
10:24of bad decisions. My brother and I contemplated using blankets as parachutes and jumping off high
10:32buildings. Of course, we tested it with things, found it didn't work, and therefore we didn't do
10:37it. But that's not the kind of thing where you'd let the kid learn from experience, right? Because
10:42they were going to die or break legs or some terrible thing, right? And of course, remember,
10:48when we evolved, injuries were often fatal, right? I mean, if you break your legs as a kid,
10:56throughout most of our evolution, there's no doctors, there's no bolts, there's no casts,
11:00right? It's really bad. So women have an instinct to prevent people from making bad decisions or to
11:07rescue them from the consequences of their own bad decisions because they're involved to deal
11:12with babies and toddlers for the most part. And that is their instinct. So if people present
11:20themselves to women as helpless victims of circumstance, women are often, they get sort
11:26of a strong impulse to, oh, that's so sad. People make mistakes and they want to rescue. Now, of
11:31course, using other people's resources, right? Using other people's resources, that seems to be
11:35quite common. And then when it's debt-based resources, it's like magic summon money to do
11:40all of this. And again, I just don't complain against women. I'm completely thrilled and
11:46find it wonderful and beautiful that women care about little people, right? I really do. I think
11:52that's why we're all here. We wouldn't be here otherwise. But you combine it with politics,
11:57right? And that's a very, very bad scene, right? Because then you have to treat people as toddlers
12:03forever. So right now, women take care of toddlers and then vote to have people never grow up.
12:12Growing up is when you stop blaming people and circumstances for your choices, right? Blame is
12:19just excuse spelled differently. And I just can't get around to dehumanizing people by treating
12:25grown adults as toddlers. So I would say focus a little bit less on how things will be constituted
12:31in freedom, in a state of freedom, and instead focus more on how we get to a state of freedom.
12:39All right. Many young people at my work say someone has no interest in having children,
12:43even though they are completely capable of doing so. Even people in their late 20s and early 30s
12:47say they don't want kids. All the reasons are for selfish reasons, such as children are too expensive
12:52or they just want to enjoy life. Or that waking up all night is too much stress for them to
12:57take care of an infant. Is not having children on purpose, even if completely capable of doing so,
13:02immoral? Well, it's not. Obviously not having children is not the initiation of the use of
13:09force. And let's use... we'll sort of sidely... we'll sidestep the abortion question just for
13:18the moment and say that you are simply preventing insemination or not having sex or something like
13:23that. Okay, so I mean that's not the initiation of the use of force. If you have a family wealth
13:31that was accumulated by bitterly hard work over 10 generations and you decide to blow that family
13:37wealth on completely useless garbage and stupid investments and vanity consumption and travel
13:47and so on, right? Is that the initiation of the use of force? No. No, it's not. You are simply
13:53destroying, through vanity and foolishness, the wealth generated over many generations by
14:02extremely diligent and hard-working ancestors. But it's not the initiation of the use of force. You
14:07can't go to jail, obviously, for wasting money. It's your money. You can spend it stupidly as
14:13much as you want. So it's not the initiation of the use of force. It is, however, a kind of
14:20spiritual theft, right? So let's say that for 10 generations, mostly the men in your family have
14:28worked incredibly hard, made massive sacrifices to accumulate five million dollars for your family.
14:37Now, you come along and blow it all on Lego sets and travel and Maseratis and like just useless
14:45stuff and you destroy the fortune. Okay, so the reason that's a kind of theft is because your
14:53forefathers only worked to generate that money on the belief that subsequent generations would
15:03nurture, protect and grow that money. Like why would you, like let's say five generations ago,
15:09some guy's getting up before dawn and working 12 to 14 hours a day and foregoing all pleasures in
15:15order to start generating this income in order, like if he had a time machine he could look
15:20forward, in order for you to blow it on useless crap, well he wouldn't bother. Like why would
15:26you bother generating an income just for some shallow vapid idiot to blow it five or ten
15:31generations down the line? So you only have this income on the tacit assumption that you won't be
15:38stupid and blow it on garbage. Because again, if your ancestors knew that you were going to blow
15:44it on garbage, they wouldn't bother accumulating this money at all. So you only have this money,
15:51the assumption that you're going to, I mean obviously enjoy some parts of it and you know,
15:56spend some interest on something that's pleasurable. I mean they don't want,
15:59they don't want, like your ancestors didn't accumulate this five million dollars so that
16:05you could never enjoy it and have to work 14 hours a day down a mine or whatever. I mean
16:10they're fine with you enjoying the money but not to the point where you destroy, right? I mean maybe
16:16they're fine with you taking that five hundred thousand dollars, sorry the five million dollars,
16:24investing it at 10 percent, living off 200,000 and adding 300,000 a year to the principal. I mean
16:31just some simple math. I'm sure it's more complicated, taxes and so on. But you know,
16:35they're fine with that. Yeah, yeah, enjoy the money for sure, but don't blow it. Don't waste it.
16:40Now of course it's the same thing with life. The amount of struggle over the last four billion
16:44years to provide you with life, I'm talking not to the writer but to the people who are
16:48not reproducing when they can. The amount of struggle it took
16:53was only undertaken on the deal that the bloodline would continue, right? So your ancestors who
17:03buried three wives who died in childbirth went through all of that pain and anguish and sorrow
17:10not so that you could, you know, whack off to anime, spill your seed and kill the bloodline.
17:19That's not what they did it for, right? So you only have life because your ancestors have made
17:26a deal with the future that you will continue life. Your ancestors had to struggle infinitely
17:30more to preserve and raise the bloodline than you have to, right? They didn't have labor-saving
17:37devices, they didn't have antibiotics, they didn't have surgery, they didn't have the neck,
17:42they didn't have any of these things. They had to have a lot of children because a lot of children
17:46died. They had to bury a lot of little bodies. You don't have to really do that. They had women
17:50die in childbirth. You don't really have to worry about that. So they had children in a much harsher
17:57time on the fundamental assumption that their descendants wouldn't blow it, wouldn't waste it,
18:06wouldn't destroy it, wouldn't refuse to procreate. Why? Out of shallow stupid hedonism?
18:13But you see, if you're alive to not have kids because you just want to enjoy your life,
18:19you're only alive because your ancestors didn't do that. So it's a form of hypocrisy, right? Because
18:24you want to enjoy your life, right? You want to have fun, you want to travel, you want to play
18:28games, you want to do laser tag, I don't know, whatever people do when they don't have kids
18:33decade after decade after decade. So you're only alive because your ancestors assumed you'd
18:41continue the bloodline. If they knew, let's say three ancestors back, they knew you were going to
18:46blow the bloodline and not continue, they wouldn't bother. So you wouldn't be alive.
18:51Think of a baton race, you know? If you've got four people around a track who all have to pass
18:58the baton and run, right? Nobody's going to bother running if they know that you as the third runner
19:03aren't going to run. You wouldn't be on the team, nobody would bother training because you couldn't
19:08win, right? So you're only on the baton team. The baton team only exists because you're expected
19:16to grab the baton and run like hell. And if you say ahead of time, hey, you know, you give me that
19:21baton, just going to stare at it and going to stand around and pick my nose, right? They'll be like,
19:26okay, well then you can't be on the team. So it is a kind of hypocrisy. You're only alive because
19:31your ancestors wanted to continue their line. And given that you're not continuing your line,
19:38you are betraying your ancestors. You are betraying your ancestors. And it's completely hypocritical
19:46that you were given this great gift of life that you enjoy so much and won't pay it forward at all.
19:51It's lazy, it's contemptible, and it's immature. Life is a great gift and you should pay it forward
20:00as much as you can. You know, within financial limits, although you of course have financial
20:08opportunities for way more children than your ancestors had. So it is a contemptible pillaging.
20:15In the same way, a fortune that's been amassed through incredible hard work over generations,
20:20the idiot who comes along and blows it is contemptible and is betraying his ancestors
20:25because his ancestors only worked to amass that fortune on the assumption that idiots wouldn't
20:30come along and blow it, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered. I mean, your ancestors in gathering
20:35this money gave up on essential things and they didn't do that so you could blow their money on
20:41frivolous things, right? They didn't give up toys for their children so you could buy wildly
20:47expensive Lego sets in your 30s, right? It's shameful. It's contemptible. And we should have
20:54some respect for those who came before us and the legacy that they have provided.
21:00So, I mean, of course they're psyoped and it's a devilish thing, which is to say it's a very,
21:07very boring thing that happens. The devil says, oh, hey man, you should just really focus on
21:15current pleasures. Current pleasures, they're what count, they're what matter. You have a baby,
21:23man, and you got to get up at night and you have a baby and you won't be able to travel quite as
21:28easily and you have a baby and you won't have quite as much money to spend on yourself, man,
21:34and that's really bad. And of course the devil doesn't talk about all of the incredible wonders
21:42that you're giving up, which is watching your mind emerge from the primordial ooze of babyhood to
21:48become a fully flowered and brilliant and creative and intelligent personality. It doesn't
21:53talk about any of that. It doesn't talk about the love. It doesn't talk about the connection
21:56with life. It doesn't talk about the pride and honor of having a raising life and contributing
22:02moral and virtuous and wonderful people to the narrative structure of society. It doesn't talk
22:09about any of that. It doesn't talk about, of course, the comfort in your old age. It doesn't
22:12talk about the beauty of that kind of connection. It doesn't talk about how you'll love your wife
22:19and husband all the more after watching them be better great parents and so on. It doesn't
22:23talk about any of that. It's just like, well, you'll have to get up at night, right? But that's
22:28just short-term hedonism. And it is, of course, trying to turn you into an animal, right? Like
22:35we train animals based on immediate positive and negative feedback, right? Positive and negative
22:40consequences, right? Good dog, here's a treat. Bad dog, I'm giving you a scolding, right? So
22:48it's trying to reduce you to the status of an animal who makes decisions based only on
22:54short-term positive and negative consequences. And then, of course, you know, the devil offers
22:58you all of this pleasure by having you focus only on short-term costs and never long-term gains.
23:04And then by the time it's too old, this is part of the sadism, right, of this mindset.
23:09And then by the time it's too old for you to have children, you will be filled with regret.
23:17And now I understand that there's an entire industry that is growing up for the childless
23:22women to have them avoid or not experience this regret. Oh, it's fine. Everybody has a
23:29different path in life. You don't have to have children. You're here to be more than a brood
23:33mare, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's a whole industry that is designed to eliminate
23:40people's massive regret at terrible decisions, like not having children, if you can. And that's
23:47there not for the women who can't have children because they're too old, or the men who can't
23:53have children because they're too old. That's not there for them, right? That's there for the next
23:57generation. So the next generation is also lulled into this, you know, every choice is okay,
24:02every path is fine, it's going to be good, don't be down on yourself, everybody has a different
24:06journey, blah, blah, blah, like all of this slow drip, narcoleptic bullshit that has people not
24:12face the disasters of their lives. It's there not to drug those who've made terrible mistakes,
24:18but to drug those who can still make good mistakes into making terrible mistakes.
24:23So this is why you won't see any fictional older women who truly regret not having children,
24:31and who are alone. No, it's all nonsense empowerment and sensitive lover descends
24:37from the skies to take care of the should have been grandmother's sexual needs, all
24:43mad diabolical nonsense. So yeah, I mean, to say to the people, oh, so you really enjoy your life?
24:50Oh, yes, I love my life. Okay, so you only have your life because your parents raised you. So why
24:54won't you pay that gift forward? Why won't you give the gift of life to others so they can enjoy
24:58it? It's kind of selfish, isn't it to just consume life that's been growing for 4 billion years to
25:03just consume life without paying it forward? Isn't that kind of selfish? Well, my parents want me to
25:08be happy. It's like, I get that. And shouldn't part of your happiness be paying life forward
25:14and the satisfaction of I love my life. I have the power to give life to create life to nurture life.
25:19So I'm going to do that. Because that's part of the joy of my life. Or is the joy of your life
25:24only in the consumption and not in the paying it forward? And just say, would you would you
25:29respect someone who frivolously blew a fortune that had been assembled, or gathered by 10
25:36generations of incredible labor and hard work and sacrifice, and somebody just blew it,
25:40rather than, well, I'm, I'm accumulating this money. So my family has options and resources
25:46down the road. And we'll find it easier to raise children. And then there's some
25:51shallow idiot who comes along, who doesn't bother having children and consumes and waste the money.
25:58Would you be here if your ancestors knew you weren't going to continue the line?
26:03Right? Would you bother having and raising children, if you knew in advance, that your
26:10perfectly fertile children would choose not to have children themselves? Well, I would imagine
26:15probably not. So there's kind of fraud involved. Again, not fraud on the part of the children,
26:20but fraud on the part of the adults, and also fraud on the part of the parents.
26:25Which is, yeah, you should you should try to have children. And being fruitful, going forth and
26:31multiplying is a great blessing. And particularly if you're a good, thoughtful, sensitive person,
26:36right? I mean, I remember having this conversation years ago with a woman who was an ardent
26:40environmentalist, really cared about the environment. And I said, Well, you should then
26:46raise a bunch of kids and, you know, get them to accept and understand how important the environment
26:51is. So then you, instead of just you being an environmentalist, you could have five or seven
26:55environmentalists all out there. And of course, they could invent wonderful things to save the
26:58environment. And nope, it's all nonsense, right? It's all nonsense. They don't want to grow up.
27:06And I mean, I understand that. I understand that. It's tempting to stay in a particular
27:10phase of life that you're an expert in. You know, just when you're an expert at grade seven,
27:16they put you in grade eight. Just when you're an expert in your mid-teens, you get your late teens.
27:21Just when you're an expert at childhood, you get puberty. Just when you're an expert in being a
27:24young person, you become middle-aged. Just when you're an expert at one part of the job, they
27:28then move you up to another part of the job, right? I get that. And there's a great desire
27:32to stay in the repetitive medieval surf-based repetition that doesn't have you constantly
27:38challenged with new things. I get that. Sure. Sure. I understand. It's a temptation.
27:48And like all temptations, it should be understood, accepted, and ignored.
27:53Understood, accepted, and ignored. So, I mean, the purpose of life is progress. Unless you're
28:00still using carrier pigeons and rotary dial phones, the purpose of life is progress. And you
28:05like it when there's progress, right? You like it when there's progress in the taste of your food.
28:11You like it when there's progress in medicine that keeps you healthy. You like it when there's
28:14progress in computers and technology that make things easier and better to use, right? So, you
28:21like progress. And you need progress. And if progress is not provided, you're annoyed. And so,
28:29you like life, too. I mean, you enjoy your life. I mean, if you don't enjoy your life,
28:34it probably has something to do with the fact that you betrayed your ancestors, like if you're
28:36voluntarily childless. And if you do enjoy your life, then you're selfishly withholding the
28:41enjoyment of life from those who come after you. So, yeah, I mean, people, they don't want to grow
28:47up. They don't want to be responsible. And they want to stay, out of a lack of confidence, at the
28:52expertise that they have, which is being childless. I get that. I mean, having a child is a huge
28:57responsibility and it changes your life. And you feel incompetent for a little while because it's
29:01so new. But I think most foundationally, when people say, I don't want to have kids,
29:05what they're saying is, my parents were not good, right? My parents were not good.
29:11And this is the price, right, of women in the workforce and daycare and all of this fragmentary
29:17family stuff where everyone's busy, harried, frustrated, stressed, annoyed, no time for
29:22relaxation, no time for fun, no time for connection, no time for endless board games filled
29:27with hilarity. It's nothing. It's just rush, rush, rush, go, go, go, pay, pay, pay, spend,
29:32spend, spend, earn, earn, earn. It's horrible. It's horrible. And so, if your family life wasn't
29:40enjoyable because your parents worked all the time, or you were in daycare, or you were raised
29:46by strangers, or if you went through an early catastrophe, like your grandmother raised you
29:52and then she died in your teens or early twenties, right, which is way too soon for you to deal with
29:57that because you shouldn't be raised by your grandparents. The only reason you're raised by
30:01your grandparents historically is your parents got killed. So, if your parents didn't enjoy
30:08parenting because they were stupid about it, I mean, the way you enjoy parenting is you spend
30:14as much time as possible with your kids and you have as much relaxed and enjoyable time as possible
30:19with your kids. That's how you enjoy parenting. And if your parents were stressed and annoyed and
30:24irritated and distracted and all this terrible stuff was going on, yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it.
30:28So, your parents made stupid choices about parenting. So, you learn from those choices
30:34and you choose better. It's not complicated. Your parents made stupid choices about parenting.
30:40So, you learn from those choices and you make better choices. You don't, in this case, literally
30:47throw the baby out with the bathwater. All right, freedomain.com
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