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- Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
- Muneeb Farooq (Analyst)
Supreme Court Main Bat Symbol ka Faisla Zair E Behas | Kashif Abbasi's Analysis
Supreme Court Main Ballay kay Nishan ki Goonj | Barrister Ali Zafar's Analysis
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- Senator Syed Ali Zafar PTI
- Tariq Fazal Chaudhary PMLN
- Muneeb Farooq (Analyst)
Supreme Court Main Bat Symbol ka Faisla Zair E Behas | Kashif Abbasi's Analysis
Supreme Court Main Ballay kay Nishan ki Goonj | Barrister Ali Zafar's Analysis
Is PTI going to be banned? Tariq Fazal Chaudhry's Huge Statement
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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15 We will talk about two points today.
00:18 On one hand, there is a case of special initiates in the Supreme Court.
00:22 There are many interesting remarks on it.
00:24 We will talk about it.
00:25 But before that, I would like to see the case of three initiates in the Supreme Court in Islamabad.
00:34 You may remember that Form 45 was matched.
00:37 The opposition, who have lost the elections,
00:41 who have nothing to do with the Tehrik-e-Insaf or the Muslim League Moon,
00:44 they also took their Form 45.
00:46 When they were seen, their Form 45 was almost matching the Form 45 of the Tehrik-e-Insaf.
00:52 But when the members of the Muslim League Moon, the elected members, were told to bring their Form 45,
00:59 they filed a request to the Election Commission of Pakistan.
01:04 Three people filed a request.
01:06 Two requests are almost photocopies.
01:09 And one request has been filed on behalf of Anjum Akhil.
01:14 In this, the prayer is almost the same in all of them.
01:18 That our petition or our tribunal should be changed.
01:23 And the reasons or the grounds that have been told,
01:26 that there is no expectation of justice because the case is being run in an unsatisfactory manner.
01:31 The tribunal is in a hurry.
01:33 That is, they should work from late.
01:34 It is in a hurry and there will be no justice.
01:37 The demonstration of sideliness is being done.
01:39 There is a bias in the attitude of the tribunal.
01:41 It has also been said that the individual should deal with the article 4 of the constitution.
01:51 A fair trial should be met under article 10A.
01:54 And its definitions have also been told.
01:56 But it has been said that the unjustified proceedings before the Berber election tribunal
01:59 at the very inception of the election petition
02:02 vividly reflects partisan bias, partiality, favouritism, nepotism and party-free.
02:11 This is a technical term.
02:13 This demonstration of sideliness is being done by the tribunal.
02:16 They said that I live by the rules but I am being defeated on the basis of malafide.
02:21 The process was not followed.
02:23 The record was asked on the first date.
02:26 This has also been said in the petition.
02:28 The first hearing has been given in such an order that the tribunal has submitted a request in absentia
02:33 due to which a fair trial will not be held.
02:35 Then the word sabotage free, fair and transparent trial will be used.
02:39 This word of bias and sabotage was being used again and again.
02:44 Justice should not only be done but should also be seen.
02:47 Such remarks have been passed which have been thought through by the judges.
02:52 Our trust has been shattered.
02:56 The case cannot go on like this.
02:58 The case cannot go on without impartiality, justly, objectivity and neutrality.
03:04 This is why our tribunal should be changed.
03:07 These are the requests that were submitted in front of the election commission.
03:11 Dr. Tarifuddin Choudhary has come with us.
03:15 His request and Anjum Akhil's request are different.
03:21 But Raja Khurram Zaman, you have photocopied it.
03:23 I am sorry, but there is no difference in the photocopying of the requests.
03:28 The same kind of allegations have been put on the election tribunal
03:33 that there will be no justice because the case is being handled in an unimpartial manner.
03:39 There are rights, there should be a fair trial, there is a bias.
03:44 The trust has been shattered.
03:46 The request has been submitted to the tribunal.
03:48 The allegations have been sumoto-cured.
03:53 We live by the law.
03:55 The election commission has said that there should be no element of bias.
03:59 No one should be biased.
04:02 The election commission has decided to settle this matter.
04:05 The petitioner of the Learned Council has said that the tribunal is biased,
04:12 that it is time-barred and that it is incompetent to hear this case.
04:16 Therefore, we feel that the points that have been raised,
04:20 it is necessary to consider them.
04:23 Therefore, the application has been admitted for regular hearing.
04:27 And the election tribunal is directed to submit the record before the commission.
04:34 What will happen on this? We will see that too.
04:37 Today, we will talk about what will happen on this at the Supreme Court.
04:40 A case was held in the Supreme Court.
04:42 A very interesting case.
04:44 The case of the case of the case of the case of the case of the Supreme Court.
04:47 The judges' remarks were giving the impression that the decision of the case was not right.
04:56 But the judges' remarks were giving the impression that the decision was wrong.
04:59 But the judges' remarks were giving the impression that the decision was wrong.
05:03 The case of the case of the case of the case of the case of the Supreme Court.
05:05 I want to talk about the pre-election.
05:08 I want to talk about the pre-election.
05:12 Mr. Asad bin Lalla talked about the level playing field.
05:14 He said that the level playing field was not being given to justice.
05:17 What did he say? Listen.
05:18 The most important right is the right to vote.
05:21 There were complaints of the political party PTI.
05:24 It was consistently complaining that it was not getting free hand to contest the elections.
05:30 There was no level playing field.
05:32 Those complaints are not in front of us.
05:34 Let me just complete.
05:35 We are the custodians of the fundamental rights.
05:38 And those who are not before us, the voters, we need to consider their rights as well.
05:43 Challenges were faced by one political party.
05:46 It was complaining of a coercive apparatus of the state in operation.
05:50 And it has not happened for the first time.
05:53 It has been repeatedly happening.
05:55 And every political party at some time has faced it.
05:59 We may pretend as if everything is hunky-dory.
06:02 It is not.
06:05 We may pretend as if everything is fine.
06:08 But it is not.
06:09 One political party was complaining for the rights.
06:13 That they were not being given level playing or free field.
06:16 Coercive apparatus of the state was working in its place.
06:19 On the other hand, there was an interesting debate on the symbol of the bat.
06:25 Listen.
06:26 Let's clarify a factually.
06:29 Was the bat as a symbol offered to the candidates after the judgment of this court?
06:34 No.
06:35 Because that would have allowed the PTI to do indirectly what it couldn't do directly.
06:40 Yes.
06:41 And it would have been a violation of the Supreme Court judgment.
06:43 There would have been a contempt of the judgment.
06:45 Does the Supreme Court judgment say that individuals cannot be allotted the bat symbol?
06:50 Does it say that?
06:51 Sir, if everyone applies for the bat.
06:53 If, but not.
06:54 Does it say it?
06:55 No, it doesn't.
06:56 But you.
06:57 Thank you.
06:58 What is the logic of taking the bat?
07:00 This was also debated.
07:03 What was the reason for the political parties to be deprived of the election symbol?
07:07 What papers did you hear?
07:09 The inexorable logic of that judgment can lead only to this conclusion that the election bat symbol is off the book.
07:18 No one can get it.
07:19 Full stop.
07:20 Not for this general election 2024.
07:23 That is the logic.
07:24 Anything that deviates from this logic deviates from the judgment.
07:28 Now, this was the problem that faced the candidate and all other candidates who as per form A of the parent statute were nominees.
07:38 Then it was also said that inadvertent mistake by the Supreme Court.
07:42 What was the mistake?
07:45 There was an intervening event.
07:48 Yes.
07:49 And that event was that the denial to the political party of the election symbol which was upheld finally by the Supreme Court.
07:56 Yes.
07:57 And affirmed.
07:58 The election commission could not deny that they were members of a political party because of this form.
08:03 But they couldn't allocate an election symbol to them because of the judgment.
08:06 Yes.
08:07 The only possible course then was to allocate a symbol which was not given to any other political party.
08:12 Yes.
08:13 And that's all that happened.
08:14 That's all that happened.
08:15 That a symbol was taken and the democracy and the Supreme Court opens at night.
08:19 What papers did you hear?
08:21 This parliament was equal.
08:24 The vote of no confidence comes.
08:26 Wasn't that against the constitution?
08:27 Dissolved.
08:28 Okay.
08:29 Then it would be criticized that why the Supreme Court sat at night.
08:31 The Supreme Court is the guardian of the constitution.
08:33 Why would it sit at night?
08:36 It is protecting the constitution.
08:38 So if we talk about democracy, then we should talk about democracy.
08:41 Please go ahead.
08:43 If we start telling the truth, then the truth is very bitter.
08:46 No one speaks the truth.
08:48 I always try to speak the truth.
08:50 I am not responsible for anyone not speaking the truth.
08:53 Justice Atal Minala said that the truth is very bitter.
08:57 If we talk about democracy, then we should talk about democracy.
08:59 Justice Qazi Faisal said that if there is a violation of the constitution, then the courts should open at night.
09:03 Sir, the constitution also guarantees free and fair elections.
09:07 We have seen many violations in the past few years.
09:10 It is unfortunate that if we start talking, then a line will be drawn as to what violations have occurred in the past two years.
09:18 There were no elections in this country, which was the biggest violation of the constitution.
09:21 If the courts should open at night for protection, then why did the courts not open?
09:28 And it was ensured that the elections of two provincial assemblies are within 90 days.
09:33 It was not done.
09:34 How did the crackdowns against political parties occur?
09:38 How did their party break?
09:40 How did the arrests and bailouts happen nine times?
09:43 The case of level playing field came in this court.
09:46 They said that we are not allowed to hold a session, which is their fundamental right in the constitution.
09:50 Right to assembly is their fundamental right.
09:52 It is easy to talk about opening assemblies at night.
09:55 But this does not happen.
09:57 I will introduce my guests again and again.
10:00 Dr. Zafar, Dr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary, Muneeb Farooq, and Ali Zafar are present.
10:05 This is a big mention of your baton, Ali Zafar.
10:09 It seems that the whole matter is going towards the baton.
10:12 Why was the baton taken?
10:18 The judgment of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, in which the baton was taken, was against the constitution.
10:28 And it was also against the law, which is the Election Act.
10:33 And it was also against the requirements and principles of democracy, which are part of the constitution.
10:40 And when this judgment came,
10:42 Qazi Fahisa said that we should not talk about logic, but about the letter.
10:48 If there is a restriction in the letter, then it is there.
10:51 But the debate on the case of the symbol, which you were seeing today,
10:58 which was between the judge and the judge,
11:01 there was a very clear divide.
11:04 Those who had passed the judgment were debating it, defending it.
11:11 But most of the judges were saying that the judgment was wrong.
11:16 And because of that, there was a legal violation, then a political violation, then a violation of the election.
11:25 And after that, now this case also came, where the matter of reserve seats came.
11:29 So, the root of all the fights is the case of the symbol.
11:36 And I had written an article on it, I don't know if you have read it or not.
11:40 I read it, sir.
11:41 Many other people have written it.
11:43 But there is a unanimous view that this judgment was wrong.
11:46 Outside of the election commission of Pakistan, sir, listen.
11:49 There is a unanimous view outside the election commission and the Supreme Court that the ballot should be taken.
11:54 But you were making fun of the political opponents that when the ballot will be taken,
11:58 so a larger view was that do not deprive a political party.
12:02 There are crores of voters.
12:04 Voters are deprived when you take the ballot from them.
12:06 But then you did not take the ballot in the election, people found it and put a seal on the banana.
12:12 So, you should not be tensed.
12:14 But this is obviously, I am sure, the beginning of that thing that where did the corruption start?
12:20 Sir, Muneeb is also a lawyer.
12:22 I would like to bring two or three points to you.
12:24 Muneeb, where do you see this going?
12:26 I think the case is going more towards the cleanliness and who made what mistake.
12:32 It has gone more towards this.
12:34 Level playing field, we did not give, tell the truth, what is going on?
12:38 Thank you very much, Mr. Khadija.
12:41 When Mr. Bandyal was the Chief Justice, I have said many times in your program that
12:46 the difference of opinions, the difference of view of the judge is different.
12:52 But the division of this case is so distinct, I used to say and I used to point out that it is not good.
13:01 But unfortunately, Mr. President, that distinction is still there.
13:05 In fact, I think that the fault line has emerged more and what is happening is visible in front of us.
13:12 Or what is clearly visible is cracks or clearly visible is a divide amongst the brother judges.
13:20 Now the issue is that when this decision of Bally came, Mr. President, as a law student,
13:26 I said that it is fine, I am not convinced of hyper technicalities,
13:32 because if you go into hyper technicalities and make decisions,
13:35 then we are all at the end of the day, if we talk about the constitution and law, then it is clear, fair enough.
13:41 But if you disenfranchise someone with some minor things,
13:45 take someone's Bally's mark, take someone's party's mark,
13:49 or remove someone from the party leadership, which was done with Mian Nawaz Sharif at one time,
13:53 and in that too, the earth and the sky were mixed with the revolutions of Mr. Bandyal,
13:57 later he changed his own view.
13:59 So the request is that when the respected judges read such works,
14:03 then respectfully, they themselves make fun of their judgments.
14:07 As far as the issue of the Bally's mark was concerned, the issue of the party symbol,
14:11 I technically did not agree with it and maybe not today.
14:15 Yes, this issue of the sessions, there is a debate on it, which is now happening.
14:20 If they cannot get it, then maybe they cannot get it.
14:23 Today there were also pertinent questions, that if there are 100 seats in this assembly,
14:27 if 40 come, then if 60 do not want to remain free, then to whom will the seats go?
14:31 So these are very logical questions, whose answer I think will come in the upcoming proceedings.
14:35 I will move towards political issues, today Mr. Faisal Wada,
14:38 because this case is going on, we will continue to go on,
14:41 but this political PTI seems to be in some difficulty.
14:44 Today Mr. Wada said that the party has started to be banned, listen to what he said.
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16:10 ...that's why I'm asking you to let Mr. Mian hear the words.
16:11 No, no. I'll just complete this.
16:12 Either we'll take a stand in that matter and stand up.
16:13 Yes.
16:14 Stand up and either say, "No, we've made a mistake."
16:17 "We just sit around, we don't come forward, we don't hide."
16:20 We don't do that.
16:21 "We don't come forward, we don't hide."
16:22 Listen, Mr. Mian has also said something on the Moodaraman commission.
16:25 The Moodaraman commission which was formed on his behalf,
16:28 with great detail, published a true and honest report.
16:34 No one ever said anything against that report.
16:36 It's our fault.
16:37 He didn't even read it.
16:38 If he had read it and acted upon it,
16:41 then today's Pakistan would have been a different Pakistan.
16:44 And perhaps, such games wouldn't have been played here,
16:47 which are still being played in some form.
16:50 Sir, are these games still being played?
16:52 Look, I just came from a program with a senior member of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
16:58 He said, "This means that the tweets that Imran Khan has made,
17:02 the Moodaraman commission, and the pictures of generals,
17:04 and the treacherous accounts are all in front of you."
17:07 We are telling him to learn from his past mistakes,
17:09 which Mr. Mian Washir is also saying.
17:11 We agree with Tariq-e-Insaaf up to this point.
17:13 But the next step, when you say that in your current era,
17:19 you are accusing your military leadership,
17:24 and your trolls cross all boundaries,
17:27 and they are all your people, that is wrong.
17:29 If I say it in another language, it is like this.
17:33 These are not cases of treachery.
17:35 You can understand the fight to the extent of the government,
17:37 but you should not fight the state.
17:39 Which state, sir?
17:40 The state is the state.
17:41 Yes, of course.
17:42 The state is the state.
17:44 You have been attacked in the Supreme Court,
17:45 you have been attacked in the PTV,
17:46 you have been attacked in the PM House.
17:47 The state is the state.
17:48 And today, the state is not the state.
17:51 I think no one can disagree with this.
17:54 But can we criticize the state?
17:56 To a reasonable extent.
17:58 What is reasonable?
17:59 What is that limit?
18:00 Who will put that limit?
18:01 Look, the thing is that,
18:02 it is not determined by a red line.
18:07 That red line is that I can criticize your program,
18:11 that you have said this,
18:12 I disagree with you,
18:13 I can do this much.
18:14 Absolutely, it is your right.
18:15 It is my right.
18:16 But going beyond that,
18:17 putting a serious allegation on your person,
18:20 trying to play a role,
18:21 this is unfair.
18:22 What allegation?
18:23 Look, it is not one.
18:25 What can I say about one allegation?
18:26 It is not one allegation.
18:27 I think it is appropriate that the words
18:30 that Mr. Tahir Qain repeats,
18:31 are almost the same allegations
18:33 that you used to put.
18:34 You said that you will not let our government be formed,
18:36 that people are open-minded.
18:37 Look at what Mr. Mahesh has done.
18:39 He has stolen.
18:40 The thing is that,
18:40 the way in which justice is being done,
18:43 the existing military leadership,
18:45 everyone knows about it.
18:46 Everyone knows what their tweets are saying.
18:49 Everyone knows what Imran Khan is saying.
18:51 I think that I do not even consider it appropriate to repeat it.
18:53 Okay.
18:54 Ali Zafar Sahib,
18:54 do you see PTI in trouble in the coming days?
18:58 Increasingly, we are hearing chatter,
19:01 that there will be restrictions,
19:02 cases of treachery,
19:03 especially the FIA cases that you have challenged.
19:07 I think there is an objection on that.
19:09 So, this is a call…
19:10 Where do you see this matter going?
19:15 Look, we have understood so much about the cases
19:18 that now cases will be made even if we remain silent.
19:22 If we get a reason,
19:24 we make a case and make a criminal case.
19:27 This is a tweet, a statement,
19:33 a factual statement.
19:34 Some people were saying that
19:37 they will make a case of treachery,
19:39 some people were saying that they will give it to the FIA.
19:41 The FIA has also come in between
19:43 and talks are being made to make a criminal case.
19:45 This has made the cases and criminal law a joke.
19:48 You see, the three cases,
19:51 there were big talks that
19:52 the CYPHER case is a very strong case
19:56 and it was given a punishment by jail trial.
19:59 Tosha Khana case is a huge case,
20:02 there has been a lot of corruption,
20:03 that too was convicted in jail trial.
20:05 Both the cases,
20:07 when I presented a case on the first day,
20:09 the punishment was cancelled by the High Court.
20:12 Tosha Khana case was such a baseless case.
20:14 And in the CYPHER case,
20:16 there was a prolonged argument,
20:18 it was delayed, but ultimately the court
20:20 acquitted Imran Khan Sahib too.
20:23 So you are saying that these are political cases,
20:27 political cases are made,
20:29 and are made in our country,
20:30 and will continue to be made.
20:34 Yes, and in fact,
20:38 when you did not say one thing,
20:40 you, a little bit,
20:42 the direct attack that Mr. Shabaz Sharif
20:43 had made about the institutions,
20:45 about the judge,
20:47 if you also say that in your program,
20:49 the one with the black coat.
20:51 So you can see who is giving a statement against whom.
20:56 There was a statement from the Prime Minister,
21:00 that I do not deny,
21:02 but about the judge,
21:04 that the judge who is deciding the cases
21:06 in favour of Imran Khan Sahib,
21:08 or in favour of PTI,
21:10 the ones who are...
21:11 Even today, there are black sheep in the court,
21:13 who are deciding on Imran Niazi's rights.
21:15 If I could remember,
21:16 his direct coat was this.
21:18 Ali Zafar Sahib.
21:22 So, you can see who is attacking which institutions.
21:28 We are competing with each other
21:30 by filing appeals for these baseless cases.
21:33 And we did not speak against the judges,
21:35 we are supporting them.
21:38 We are...
21:39 Sir, should I show you your support?
21:41 I will go to the front and show you.
21:42 Sir, Rauf Hassan Sahib said that
21:44 the Chief Justice of Pakistan
21:45 has destroyed the book of the signed document.
21:47 That man cannot remain the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
21:49 He will have to leave his post.
21:51 What are you saying that we respect him?
21:53 I cannot say the next sentence.
21:55 The next sentence is not used.
21:57 And the release is also from there.
21:59 Judicial surrender.
22:00 Judiciary is selling its freedom
22:02 in front of the authorities.
22:04 Our request is pending in front of the Supreme Court
22:06 because the Chief Justice is not ready to listen to it.
22:08 Everything is for sale.
22:10 He says, I will tell you.
22:12 This is what Rauf Hassan Sahib said.
22:14 So, you see,
22:16 the point I am trying to make is that...
22:18 Sir, did he say it right or wrong?
22:20 We are fighting the cases.
22:22 We are fighting.
22:24 We will fight in politics.
22:26 We will fight in the parliament.
22:28 If we have to come on the streets,
22:30 we will fight there too.
22:32 But the way cases are being filed against us,
22:34 by filing these cases,
22:36 PTI is not suffering a loss.
22:38 In fact, our acceptance,
22:40 and Mr. Imran Khan's acceptance
22:42 is increasing.
22:44 And our opponents have experienced this.
22:46 The government saw.
22:48 The government saw.
22:50 Sir, the case is in its place.
22:52 The elections are over.
22:54 But still, I agree with you
22:56 that institutions,
22:58 every institution should be within their limits.
23:00 And we should also be within their limits
23:02 and respect them.
23:04 Today,
23:06 Faizan Sahib said
23:08 that free candidates have asked for a break from the Election Commission.
23:10 I want to hear it before going on a break.
23:12 Then we will take a break.
23:14 Why didn't you ask for an independence?
23:16 Why didn't you ask for an independence?
23:18 Why didn't you ask for a symbol?
23:20 Now, no one has it.
23:22 It is open.
23:24 That would be a clear subversion of your lordship.
23:26 That would be a violation of supreme court.
23:28 How cute.
23:30 He said, let's ask for a break.
23:32 He himself decided that he doesn't want to give a break.
23:34 Very sweet.
23:36 Let's take a break.
23:38 Breakout is with you.
23:44 Thank you, Mr. Naseem.
23:46 Muneeb, you see the way of justice
23:48 and the debate going on
23:50 especially the FIA case
23:52 and the video
23:54 of the traitor on Twitter.
23:56 Where do you see this going?
23:58 Where do you see it going?
24:00 Do you think it is a serious matter
24:02 or will they just put pressure and let it go?
24:04 Or the traitorous talk that is being done
24:06 again and again,
24:08 do you see it going in that direction?
24:10 Mr. Qari,
24:12 has it gone down well at all?
24:14 You rightly pointed out
24:16 that there were talks going on
24:18 about the Muduraman commission report.
24:20 That was a historical perspective
24:22 that we should talk about
24:24 what led to the debacle.
24:26 But there were talks going on
24:28 and you showed the clip of Mianwar Shrif.
24:30 But the problem is that the height
24:32 at which the cases are being told
24:34 and obviously the picture of the sitting army chief
24:36 is being put in that video
24:38 and a comparable view is being tried
24:40 to give to the army chief
24:42 that the situation was like this
24:44 and it is still the same.
24:46 And the general Yaya Khan
24:48 and the army chief should be compared
24:50 and that they are doing the same.
24:52 Basically, this was the message.
24:54 So it hasn't gone down well at all.
24:56 In fact, the response that has come
24:58 is that if this is the way
25:00 then so be it.
25:02 Then one after the other
25:04 something new will come.
25:06 I can tell you that
25:08 the courts
25:10 and this is on the basis of information
25:12 that I have been sharing with you earlier
25:14 that the courts will decide
25:16 and someone's will be decided
25:18 and the decision will be finalized
25:20 but this does not mean that there will be a release.
25:22 It is unfortunate
25:24 but the picture of this will be worse than this.
25:26 Do you see any clash
25:28 between the establishment
25:30 and the justice movement?
25:32 Do you think that there could be a clash
25:34 on the collision course in the coming days?
25:36 In my opinion,
25:38 Kashif bhai sahab,
25:40 Imran Khan sahab
25:42 went on this collision course
25:44 in September or August 2022
25:46 and what happened after that
25:48 is the result of the collision course.
25:50 Now, it is obvious that
25:52 because the conversation could not be done
25:54 and the sane view
25:56 like Jannab Ali Zafar sahab
25:58 and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaab
26:00 and Barrister Gauhar Khan sahab
26:02 are positive people
26:04 and their views are not
26:06 being respected or
26:08 they are not dominating
26:10 in their community.
26:12 The hawkish element
26:14 is also in their control
26:16 and the way the social media
26:18 exercises its machinery
26:20 and does its work
26:22 is not in the control
26:24 of these positive people.
26:26 If this was the case
26:28 and they would have subscribed
26:30 to the view given in the tweets
26:32 then the media reaction
26:34 of Barrister Gauhar Khan
26:36 would have been different.
26:38 They would have immediately
26:40 distanced themselves.
26:42 I think Rahul Fasan
26:44 said that he will see
26:46 and amend the video
26:48 but I am asking you again.
26:50 Exactly, your clip
26:52 and your discussion
26:54 with them
26:56 said that they will see
26:58 and if need be, they will amend.
27:00 If you have a video
27:02 and you want to delete it
27:04 and if you pin it
27:06 in your official twitter handle
27:08 that means you are owning up to it
27:10 and you are saying so be it
27:12 and this is what we are doing.
27:14 If this is what you are doing
27:16 then what is the result
27:18 of the political establishment
27:20 and political party's fight
27:22 in the past?
27:24 I think this is not hidden from anyone.
27:26 Sir, I will come to you
27:28 with the issue of the form 45
27:30 which was matched.
27:32 The court asked you for the form 45
27:34 and you did not give it.
27:36 You even fined Raja Khurram Nawaz
27:38 and also fined ARO.
27:40 There were big news that something
27:42 will happen in the next hearing
27:44 and you went to the election commission
27:46 and they decided to dismiss you.
27:48 Tell me, sir, the objections
27:50 that I saw, why is it going so fast?
27:52 There is justice bias, it is not neutral.
27:54 There are judges in Islamabad
27:56 and in the High Court.
27:58 Why is your trust with the tribunal
28:00 gone?
28:02 First of all, I am thankful to you
28:04 that you called me
28:06 and asked me this question
28:08 and gave me a chance
28:10 to talk about all these issues
28:12 in your program.
28:14 My complaint with that is
28:16 that since this matter has been going on
28:18 and you are talking about it,
28:20 this is all a lie that has been going on
28:22 on your channel.
28:24 You have given me a chance to talk
28:26 and you have fined me.
28:28 This is wrong.
28:30 This has never happened.
28:32 If this was going on on your channel
28:34 and you had called me,
28:36 we would have told you the facts
28:38 and I would have thanked you.
28:40 Have you given the form 45?
28:42 I do all the talking.
28:44 I have given it or not,
28:46 I will tell you.
28:48 I objected to you
28:50 that if you run a program against me,
28:52 I would not have mentioned you
28:54 because you are here.
28:56 I object to you.
28:58 You have given the form 45.
29:00 Let me talk.
29:02 I will give the form 45
29:04 when the judge will decide
29:06 whether this petition
29:08 is time bar or not.
29:10 You have to enter the petition
29:12 in 45 days.
29:14 The petition was filed on 36th.
29:16 It was not filed on 36th,
29:18 it was on 43rd.
29:20 It was given 7 days grace period.
29:22 It was filed on 4 objections.
29:24 It was filed again in 7 days.
29:26 It was filed again after 21 days.
29:28 This is an open and shut case.
29:30 You have to decide
29:32 whether it is time bar or not.
29:34 When it is decided,
29:36 we will give the form 45, 46, 47
29:38 and 380 affidavits
29:40 which will be of our polling agents.
29:42 We have to give all that.
29:44 The Election Commission
29:46 has to give the form 45.
29:48 Our brother, Mr. Amit Sharma
29:50 has to give the documents.
29:52 The question is why this objection
29:54 has been filed.
29:56 This objection is on the court.
29:58 It is not on the judge.
30:00 The judge has integrity,
30:02 conduct and honesty.
30:04 The name of the objection is on the court.
30:06 You have said that there is a so-and-so
30:08 curing of legal errors.
30:10 You have said that there is a so-and-so
30:12 curing of legal errors.
30:14 You have read it.
30:16 You have read it.
30:18 You don't have to read it again.
30:20 Listen to it.
30:22 Give me an uninterrupted opportunity.
30:24 I won't take more than two minutes.
30:26 The thing is that the three petitions
30:28 in the tribunals in Islamabad
30:30 and the 400 petitions in Pakistan
30:32 are being read by the election tribunals.
30:34 The same cases are there.
30:36 The allegations are similar.
30:38 They are a little bit ahead.
30:40 In Islamabad,
30:42 there is a unique election.
30:44 In Pakistan,
30:46 there is no unique election.
30:48 There are 400 petitions in Pakistan.
30:50 What do you want?
30:52 Let them talk.
30:54 I am asking a question.
30:56 What do you want?
30:58 Do you remember what Mr. Mian said?
31:00 Let me complete.
31:02 He said that our cases are being read
31:04 and not anyone else's.
31:06 You are not letting people understand
31:08 what the real problem is.
31:10 Let me ask you.
31:12 What is the difference between
31:14 a petition and a writ petition
31:16 that is filed in the High Court?
31:18 Let me ask Ali Zafar.
31:20 Let me tell you.
31:22 No, no.
31:24 You are telling me.
31:26 What do the people know?
31:28 I will tell you the point in a minute.
31:30 The Tribunal decides
31:32 and it is a trial court.
31:34 In a trial court,
31:36 all the evidence is collected.
31:38 Then, there is a balance.
31:40 The judge has to look at the proofs.
31:42 The forensic is to be done.
31:44 The 380 polling agents have to be
31:46 testified and then the decision is made.
31:48 The court can never match
31:50 the evidence that we give
31:52 in the court.
31:54 I will show you the thumbprint.
31:56 Can you tell whose thumbprint it is?
31:58 The judge has to do it.
32:00 We are saying that
32:02 it should be done under the
32:04 due course of law.
32:06 There is no need to rush.
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38:48 Mr. Chaudhary is sitting MNA.
38:50 Mr. Chaudhary is sitting MNA.
38:52 His session is final.
38:54 He is enjoying that session.
38:56 He will keep enjoying it.
38:58 In Punjabi, it is said that
39:00 "Variana ariya layaon"
39:02 "Variana ariya layaon"
39:04 It is said that it will be like this.
39:06 It is said that it will be like this.
39:08 It is said that it will be like this.