At a Senate Budget Committee hearing last week, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) spoke about President Biden's tax proposals.
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00:00The 2017 tax bill did a carrot and stick approach to the problem
00:06of multinationals shifting profits to low-tax jurisdictions.
00:12Tell us how that tax bill reduced the incentive to engage
00:17in profit-shifting transactions, and what are some examples?
00:23Thank you for the question.
00:25So the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act looked at the difference
00:31between the tax burden on foreign income and the tax burden
00:35on domestic income, and sought to close that gap.
00:39When there's a large gap between a domestic tax rate
00:43and a foreign tax rate, there's a large incentive
00:46for businesses to shift their profits, either artificially
00:50or actually offshore activities, you know, physical activities
00:55and employment, to minimize their exposure
00:58to a high tax rate.
00:59So the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, number one,
01:01brought the corporate tax rate down, but then had a pairing
01:05of anti-avoidance policies,
01:07one in the global intangible low-tax income, the GILTI,
01:10which is a minimum tax rate applied to foreign income,
01:14and the foreign-derived intangible investment,
01:17which is the FDII, income, sorry, which is the FDII,
01:21to balance the difference that companies,
01:24when they're thinking about where to put their research
01:26and development, or put their IP, to allow them
01:30to think maybe it makes sense to keep that in the U.S.,
01:33rather than planning through different offshore structures.
01:38At the same time, we saw some changes in other jurisdictions
01:41that were helpful for this balance shifting in the U.S.,
01:44and we've seen a significant amount of IP come
01:47from offshore locations back to the U.S.,
01:50and profits being earned in the U.S., and we can see this
01:53in some data that I had in my written testimony,
01:55showing that royalties earned by U.S. companies on U.S. IP
01:59in the U.S. has increased dramatically,
02:02especially in bilateral data with Ireland.
02:05President Biden has proposed several changes
02:10to the U.S. tax system.
02:13So, Mr. Bunn, most notable are reforms
02:16to the provision called GILTI.
02:20This includes taxing foreign income of multinationals
02:24at higher rates than what other countries are expected to adopt
02:29as part of Pillar 2 agreement
02:33that the Biden administration just negotiated.
02:38In addition, President Biden proposed corporate tax increase
02:43to 28 percent.
02:45How would these changes affect the competitiveness
02:48of U.S. companies, and would these proposals tend
02:52to increase or decrease the incentives for multinationals
02:57to shift profit offshore?
03:00Thank you for the question.
03:01I think they would increase the incentive for planning
03:04through various structures and minimizing exposure to U.S. tax.
03:09The changes that the president is proposing would increase the
03:15gap between domestic and foreign, and do it in a context
03:20where a lot of foreign jurisdictions
03:23that are adopting the global minimum tax are going
03:26to have an effective tax rate of 15 percent.
03:28And if the U.S. has a much higher tax burden
03:32through GILTI or the domestic corporate tax rate,
03:35then companies are, instead of continuing
03:38to bring IP back or keep IP here in the United States,
03:43will probably see some of those same games
03:46to move things offshore or to develop things offshore rather
03:49than do them here in the United States.
03:52Also, Mr. Bunn, the administration claims Pillar 2
04:00tax framework will end, and I quote, a global race
04:05to the bottom with respect to corporate taxes.
04:08However, in reality, Pillar 2 may simply shift the focus
04:13from a competition base on low rates
04:18and traditional tax incentives towards one based
04:21upon providing direct cash subsidies.
04:25How do you feel, or how do you expect tax havens to respond
04:30to the implementation of Pillar 2?
04:33So we're already seeing some of this response.
04:36Some jurisdictions looking at the minimum tax rules,
04:39and minimum tax rules provide for certain things
04:42that I think a lot of jurisdictions are looking
04:44at through an attractive lens.
04:47The jurisdictions are looking at grants, refundable credits,
04:53and different mechanisms
04:54that the minimum tax rules treat more favorably
04:57than traditional tax credits.
04:59I was spending some time earlier this year looking at some
05:03of the jurisdictions and how they're planning
05:05to implement the rules, but Bermuda is looking
05:08at a refundable tax credit.
05:09Singapore is looking
05:10at a refundable investment tax credit.
05:12Switzerland, some cantons in Switzerland are looking
05:15at refundable credit programs,
05:17and the United Kingdom has had a refundable research
05:19and development credit program for a number of years
05:23that are treated very differently than our credits,
05:25and I think what we are seeing is a shift in this competition
05:29from rates to the tax base and using the rules themselves
05:33to create advantages for different jurisdictions.
05:38Thank you, Senator Grassley.
05:39Senator Johnson.
05:40Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
05:41I'm going to try and simplify these issues here,
05:43because this is incredibly complex.