• 8 months ago
Terrance Williams, the CEO and President of TruStage, joins ‘Forbes Talks’ to discuss DEI in the finance industry and his path to becoming the first black CEO of TruStage.

0:00 Introduction
1:47 Terrance's Background
5:07 Terrance's Education And Building For The Future
8:23 TrueStage's DEI Efforts And Programming
9:27 Being Passionate About Community
15:23 Diversity And Its Importance

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00:00 (upbeat music)
00:03 - Hi everyone, I'm Rose Marie Miller,
00:05 and today I have the pleasure of speaking
00:07 with Terrence Williams, the President and CEO of TruStage.
00:11 Thank you so much for joining me today, Terrence.
00:13 - Thank you for having me.
00:14 I'm excited about the opportunity and the dialogue.
00:18 - Absolutely.
00:20 So Terrence, before we dive into you and your past,
00:23 could you give us a brief overview of what TruStage is?
00:27 - Sure, absolutely.
00:29 TruStage is a mutual insurance organization
00:32 that's been around since the 1930s.
00:34 We were founded in Madison, Wisconsin,
00:37 under the, with the idea of representing
00:40 and partnering with credit unions
00:42 to better serve their members.
00:45 Over the years, while we've evolved,
00:47 we've grown, we've changed,
00:48 we've maintained a commitment to the credit union system.
00:52 So it was almost 70% revenue driven through credit unions.
00:57 So think of us as a B2B company
01:00 who goes to market through partners
01:03 to reach in numbers with financial solutions,
01:06 insurance products, retirement plans, et cetera.
01:08 So we serve over 35 million customers
01:11 across the United States.
01:13 We partner with 95 plus percent of credit unions
01:17 in the United States.
01:19 We are about five and a half billion dollars in revenue.
01:23 And as I said, we're headquartered in Madison, Wisconsin,
01:26 and we have about 4,000 employees across the country
01:29 that make up our organization.
01:31 - Oh my goodness.
01:32 And you said TruStage has been around since the 1930s.
01:36 And if I'm not mistaken, you are the first black CEO.
01:41 It's almost 2030.
01:43 What are your thoughts on that?
01:45 (laughing)
01:47 - You are correct.
01:49 I am the first black CEO of the organization.
01:53 And it's not something that I take lightly
01:56 because I recognize that I am here, I'm sitting before you
02:01 because I have been at the benefit
02:03 of standing on the shoulders of so many people,
02:06 some I know, some I've known, some I haven't known,
02:08 that have done courageous things
02:10 that have paved a pathway for me.
02:12 So because of that, I take the responsibility seriously
02:15 of being the first.
02:17 And fortunately or unfortunately for me,
02:20 throughout my career, I've been in the insurance industry,
02:23 in the corporate world for over 30 years.
02:26 So fortunately or unfortunately,
02:28 I've been the first on many occasions
02:31 in different roles that I've sat in
02:33 with different organizations that I've been in.
02:35 But I always take the approach that I need to ensure
02:38 that I'm doing my part to set the bar
02:40 and doing my part to ensure that I'm making a difference
02:43 in representing who I am as a black man
02:47 and as someone who cares deeply about
02:49 those who are visibly seeing me
02:51 and those who are engaging with me
02:54 in the communities that I work in.
02:55 So that's kind of how I tend to think about this.
02:58 - So you said you've been the first quite a bit
03:00 in your journey.
03:01 Could you tell us about your professional journey?
03:04 - Yes.
03:05 I'll give you the short version of my journey
03:09 'cause we don't wanna take three or four hours
03:11 to give you the extended version.
03:12 No, I am a native Southerner,
03:15 so born and raised outside of Charleston, South Carolina.
03:19 And I'm one of those unique people
03:20 who I am working in my chosen profession.
03:24 So I attended the University of South Carolina
03:26 and I went there to pursue a degree
03:28 in risk management and insurance.
03:31 So I made a decision at relatively early age
03:33 that I wanted to pursue a career in this path.
03:36 Since leaving the University of South Carolina,
03:38 True Stage is the fourth company that I've worked for.
03:42 So I haven't worked for a lot of different companies,
03:45 but I've worked in a lot of different roles.
03:48 The bulk of my experience has been with some brands
03:52 and insurance companies that you would recognize,
03:54 Nationwide Insurance in Ohio.
03:57 I spent 20 plus years with them.
03:59 Allstate Insurance in Chicago,
04:01 spent a number of years with them and now True Stage.
04:05 So during that 30 plus years,
04:08 I think my wife and I have moved about eight or nine times.
04:11 So we've lived all over the country
04:13 and it's really given me the benefit
04:16 of seeing different perspectives, different geographies,
04:20 understanding how things work in different markets.
04:22 And I've operated in a number of different roles,
04:24 claims, sales, product, general management roles, et cetera.
04:28 So I've had a fruitful career
04:30 and one that I actually am proud of,
04:33 but also one that I feel it also kind of provides
04:37 a responsibility for me to ensure that I am doing my part
04:42 to bring others along.
04:43 One of the passions I have is trying to expose
04:47 younger people, particularly younger people who look like me
04:50 to our industry, to the insurance industry.
04:52 So I don't think we've done enough to ensure
04:54 that we are recruiting and engaging and dialoguing
04:57 with young people, especially people of color,
05:00 to introduce them to just the many aspects of a career
05:03 in the insurance industry.
05:04 So I spend quite a bit of time doing that when I can.
05:08 - And so how exactly are you doing that?
05:10 - A number of different things.
05:12 I'm pretty engaged at the University of South Carolina
05:16 with the business school.
05:17 I'm back on campus there a few times a year.
05:19 I literally get into the classroom
05:22 to be able to speak with students.
05:25 I'm involved in a number of mentoring programs,
05:27 including one there through the business school
05:29 where I mentor an undergrad.
05:31 So once a semester, I get a new student
05:34 who I just engage with every other week.
05:37 I engage with this person for 30 minutes
05:39 and just to share my perspectives, to offer opinions,
05:43 to hear things that are on their minds.
05:45 So mentoring is something that's always been important to me
05:49 and I try to live out that approach through the school
05:53 that I went to, that I have a passion around.
05:55 And I do that because as I grew up corporately,
06:00 I was able to benefit from others
06:02 who kind of wrapped their arms around my shoulder
06:05 to say, "Terrence, consider this approach,
06:07 consider this way," et cetera.
06:09 I'm blessed in that I grew up in a two-parent home.
06:13 My mom and dad instilled a number of things in me
06:17 that I'm forever grateful for,
06:18 work ethic, integrity, the importance of community, et cetera.
06:22 But my mom and dad,
06:24 they weren't familiar with the corporate world.
06:26 My dad was a construction worker,
06:28 my mom taught elementary school.
06:29 So they weren't able to kind of share with me
06:33 the process, the approach, the journey that one takes
06:36 when they're pursuing a career corporately.
06:39 So I've benefited from others who were able to
06:43 provide assistance to me in coaching and mentoring.
06:45 So I do the same for others.
06:47 - So what tips do you have for young people
06:49 for navigating the corporate world?
06:51 - That's a short question, but a really complex one,
06:56 particularly in today's world.
06:58 But my advice is always pretty consistent in this space.
07:01 A few things, number one,
07:03 ensure that you are doing something
07:05 that provides you fulfillment.
07:08 I often say that if you're engaged in a career or in a role
07:12 that is a job more than a career,
07:15 that probably is not something that is long-term.
07:17 Number two, you should ensure that you're gaining
07:20 some level of fulfillment.
07:22 If you're driving to the office or you're rolling out of bed
07:26 and going into a Zoom call,
07:28 and you're gripping your coffee cup
07:31 because you really don't wanna do that job,
07:33 you don't enjoy it, or you're driving into an office
07:36 and you're gripping the steering wheel,
07:37 that's not a good thing.
07:39 So obviously it's work,
07:41 but you should gain some level of satisfaction
07:44 or fulfillment from what you do,
07:46 which means you should choose a career
07:48 that aligns with a personal passion for you overall.
07:52 And then the next couple of items, three and four,
07:54 are just kind of some basic tenets that apply to anyone.
07:57 Ensure that you're operating
07:59 with a high degree of integrity.
08:01 Ensure that you are always focused on delivering
08:04 and exceeding the expectations that are put before you,
08:07 things of that nature.
08:08 So that's kind of what I talk to young people about
08:11 as they're pursuing their corporate paths.
08:14 - Yeah, honestly, you're helping me out right now.
08:17 Thank you, Terrence.
08:18 So let's pivot back to True Stage a bit.
08:23 So you and I both understand the importance of DEI.
08:26 What attracted you to True Stage in that respect?
08:30 - You know, I often,
08:33 I've been asked that question a lot in the last year
08:35 because I started with True Stage last year
08:38 to assume this role.
08:40 And one of the most often asked questions
08:42 that I've received is why True Stage?
08:46 And there are a number of kind of facets of that
08:49 as you peel it back,
08:50 but I'll give you just a couple of examples of why.
08:54 I'm sitting here before you now
08:56 as the CEO of this organization.
08:59 I've been in the industry long enough to recognize
09:02 that what I do and who I engage with
09:06 from a professional standpoint,
09:08 there has to be some level of alignment for me personally.
09:11 So in other words, said another way,
09:13 the things that I am passionate about,
09:14 the things that I care about deeply,
09:17 I want to ensure that I am working somewhere
09:20 where I can pursue those passions
09:22 through my professional work and walk
09:25 that aligns with me personally.
09:27 So the examples here,
09:28 I have always been passionate about community,
09:32 making sure that I'm involved, that I'm engaged,
09:35 I'm finding ways to make a difference.
09:38 I talk a lot about the importance of betterment
09:40 in communities.
09:42 So whether the company I've worked with
09:44 is engaged in it or not, I've always been engaged.
09:47 When I started looking at True Stage,
09:49 what I learned was this commitment around community,
09:54 particularly in the Madison market where we're based,
09:58 the brand has an incredible reputation
10:01 for being a good corporate citizen,
10:03 someone who is engaged and active,
10:05 not just writing a check, by the way,
10:07 writing a check, but also being committed
10:10 and trying to make a difference
10:11 and drive change within the marketplace.
10:14 The other one for me was DEI.
10:17 I've long held this belief that corporate entities
10:21 should play a massive role in diversity,
10:24 equity and inclusion.
10:26 And it was important for me that I aligned
10:29 with an organization who has that same approach,
10:32 that same thinking, that same passion.
10:35 And one of the first things I did
10:36 when I started talking to True Stage,
10:38 I went to their website to get a feel
10:41 for who this company is.
10:43 I knew of them, of course, being in the industry,
10:46 but I went to the website and I was blown away
10:49 by some of the items on the website
10:51 about their commitment to social change
10:54 and their desire to be a force for good
10:57 and the efforts that were underway as it relates to DEI.
11:02 And those things spoke to me personally and professionally,
11:05 and that kind of led me down this path.
11:07 And here I sit before you now.
11:09 There were some other things as well,
11:10 but those are two that I would share with you
11:12 that really kind of created the alignment
11:15 that led me to this organization.
11:18 - So what does DEI really mean for the financial industry?
11:22 I mean, more specifically, the insurance industry.
11:26 - You know, that's a really interesting question.
11:30 So let me try to do it this way.
11:33 So if you look at the history of my industry,
11:38 the insurance and financial services industry,
11:40 there are things that occurred in this industry
11:44 that have flown in the face of what I would,
11:47 how I would describe as equitable treatment of others.
11:51 If you think about the practices of redlining,
11:55 of not allowing or providing insurance
11:58 in a given territory based on a map,
12:02 or if you think of charging one price for this person,
12:07 but someone who is of the same age,
12:10 same health conditions, et cetera,
12:12 but charging them more because of their race.
12:14 So my industry that I'm proud to be part of
12:18 hasn't always gotten this right.
12:20 So my belief is that DEI
12:23 and the financial services space now really requires
12:26 that we are doing our best to remedy the wrongs of the past,
12:31 that we are ensuring that we reflect the marketplace,
12:35 that we're making broad decisions
12:37 for the betterment of communities,
12:39 that we are trying to make a difference societally,
12:42 and that we are doing so with a lens
12:45 towards trying to help improve the lives of others.
12:48 Insurance, at the end of the day,
12:50 we don't do a good job of talking about
12:52 what insurance really is in our industry.
12:55 But if you really peel it all the way back,
12:58 all we sell is a promise.
13:01 Think about it.
13:03 We sell something that is not tangible.
13:05 You can't drive it, wear it, touch it.
13:08 It's a promise.
13:09 It's a promise that allows you to have some level
13:13 of peace of mind in the case of an unexpected incident
13:17 or something that occurs that couldn't have been planned,
13:21 that it allows you to continue forward financially.
13:24 I often make the comment that, what do we do?
13:28 We do our best to restore lives
13:31 to the degree money and caring can.
13:34 So if that's all we do,
13:36 it's really important that we are broadly ensuring
13:40 that we're supporting and serving all people,
13:43 and that we are providing a means of transfer of risk,
13:48 not based on what someone's look, what they look like,
13:53 but rather really trying to ensure
13:55 that we represent the marketplace
13:57 and the workforce for good.
13:58 So longer-winded than I intended to,
14:02 but it really is something that I think
14:04 we have a huge responsibility to ensure
14:08 that we are acknowledging the wrongs of the past,
14:11 'cause some people don't wanna acknowledge it.
14:13 And I often say, "Well, yeah, we did things in the past
14:16 "that really weren't appropriate,
14:19 "but what do we do going forward?"
14:21 And I believe I can play a role in ensuring
14:24 that we are not just righting the wrongs of the past,
14:27 that we're paving a pathway for the future
14:31 by ensuring that we are representing the marketplace,
14:34 that we are trying to play a role in helping others.
14:36 And we didn't get into this earlier.
14:39 Our primary customer base at TruStage
14:42 is what we call middle-market America.
14:44 Our target customer tends to be the individual,
14:50 the hardworking person who may earn middle income
14:54 in the United States, who may not have assets
14:59 that allow them to do some of the things
15:03 that some other financial institutions pursue.
15:05 So we really wanna ensure that we are doing things
15:08 to provide value, to provide ease and access
15:12 for people who may not always have that.
15:14 - Wow, now that is a beautiful answer for one.
15:17 I don't care how long-winded.
15:18 That's a great answer.
15:20 - Thank you so much, I appreciate that.
15:23 - Well, Terrence, how does DEI play
15:26 into your leadership philosophy
15:28 and experience so far at TruStage,
15:30 particularly as their first person of color
15:34 to lead the company?
15:35 - You know, it's who I am.
15:39 So I can't separate who I am as a black man
15:44 who was born and raised in South Carolina,
15:46 who attended public schools,
15:49 who is the son of an educator and a construction worker.
15:52 So who I am comes through naturally
15:55 in my authentic leadership style and approach.
15:58 So DEI to me means that you show up as your authentic self,
16:03 that we are creating an environment
16:07 where everyone can not just show up as they wish to,
16:11 but that we can engage in a manner
16:14 that allows you to feel comfortable,
16:16 that we are able to demonstrate a commitment
16:20 to the differences that make us unique,
16:23 that we are able to kind of share and focus
16:27 on not just creating division based on the differences,
16:32 but that we can find ways to celebrate those differences
16:36 and make sure that everyone understands
16:38 that it drives us to the most optimal outcome.
16:41 I often make the comment kind of tongue in cheek
16:44 that if everyone around my leadership table,
16:48 if everyone that reports to me,
16:49 if I have 10 people on my cabinet that report to me
16:53 and they were all six, four, person of color,
16:57 Southerner by birth, son of an educator,
17:00 they all would likely think very similarly to me.
17:02 But it's important that we have a broad diversity
17:07 of thought, background, perspectives,
17:10 to ensure that you get to the best possible solution.
17:14 Because I encourage debate within the leadership team.
17:17 I encourage debate and I foster an environment
17:19 that allow us to have really fruitful dialogue
17:23 to get to the best solution.
17:25 And it requires that we have different backgrounds
17:27 and perspectives.
17:28 So how do I kind of foster D&I at TruthStage?
17:32 I show up as me.
17:33 I make sure that I'm really conveying my passion
17:38 in this space.
17:39 Also ensure that everyone understands
17:42 that while the company began well before me,
17:45 under my leadership, we will continue to advance
17:49 and accelerate our efforts from a D&I standpoint.
17:52 - This has been amazing.
17:54 Thank you so much for joining me today, Terrence.
17:57 - Oh, you're too gracious.
17:59 Thank you.
18:00 - Absolutely.
18:01 - Shall we?
18:02 (silence)
18:04 (silence)
18:07 [BLANK_AUDIO]

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