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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Meeman, today's top stories are

00:16 The resolution to change the Senate election has been approved.

00:20 This resolution was suddenly presented and was suddenly approved.

00:23 We will talk about this in the first semester of the program.

00:25 Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has decided to approve the resolution in a week.

00:33 More serious questions are being raised on the entire electoral process.

00:37 We will address them in the second part of the program.

00:39 Finally, Maulana Masood-ur-Rehman has died.

00:42 The beginning of 2024 is being started with terrorism.

00:45 The incidents are becoming more and more intense as the election approaches.

00:48 We will talk about this in the last semester of the program.

00:50 But let's start.

00:51 Today, a unique incident took place in the Senate.

00:54 As soon as the Friday prayer break was over, a resolution was presented.

01:00 The resolution was approved very quickly.

01:04 Senator Dilawar presented the resolution.

01:07 The resolution states that the election should be postponed.

01:11 Let's see how the entire issue was presented in the Senate.

01:15 Let's listen to the resolution presented by Dilawar.

01:22 I, Senator Dilawar, move under Rule 263 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate 2012

01:32 that the requirement of Rule 25, 29, 30, and 133 of the said Rule be dispensed

01:39 in order to enable the House to discuss and pass a resolution.

01:44 Those who are in favor of the resolution say "aye".

01:47 Those against the resolution say "no".

01:50 I think the motion is carried.

01:58 What does this resolution say?

02:00 Why should the election be postponed?

02:02 What are the reasons?

02:03 The reasons are that the election schedule should be postponed to February 8.

02:07 The Election Commission should act on the postponement of the election.

02:11 It is very cold in most areas.

02:13 Therefore, it is difficult to participate in the election in these areas.

02:17 Security forces have been attacked in KP and Balochistan.

02:20 The JUIF has been attacked in Kerkan and Mohsen Dawar.

02:23 The threat of intelligence agencies is alert during the election rally.

02:27 The Senate says that the election should not be postponed without solving the issues.

02:31 Amal Wali Khan and other political leaders have also been threatened.

02:35 So, this resolution is being said.

02:37 But it is surprising that this is a 100-person hall.

02:40 And when only 14 people are present in the hall, this resolution is presented and accepted.

02:45 There are two questions.

02:46 The first question is that why did none of the 14 people present here sign the quorum?

02:52 The second question is that does the Speaker not know what the rules are?

02:57 He is so ignorant.

02:58 Does he not know that when there are so few people present, then all these resolutions cannot be passed?

03:06 He passed this resolution in a few moments without waiting.

03:11 So, who is he playing on?

03:13 And where did this resolution come from?

03:15 Where did it pass?

03:16 Who were the endorsers?

03:17 Anyway, who was sitting in that hall?

03:19 Let's take a look at this.

03:20 First of all, Senator Dilawar Khan was himself.

03:22 Obviously, he presented the resolution.

03:24 Azad Umidawar, who became a senator with votes from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and PMLN.

03:29 But later he had some issues with them.

03:32 Then in the last days, he supported PTI in many legislations.

03:36 Behraman Tangi, who is from the Pakistan People's Party.

03:39 He voted in favor of this resolution and it was confirmed.

03:41 A while ago, he was issued a show-cause notice.

03:44 His own party says that he has also given a speech in favor of this resolution.

03:48 So, PTI issued a show-cause notice to him.

03:51 Afnan Ullah, who is a member of PMLN.

03:53 He is the only member who stood up and opposed this resolution.

03:57 And tell us the reasons why an election is necessary in this country.

04:02 Gurdeep Singh, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

04:05 There was a mixed report about him.

04:07 Earlier, it was thought that he would remain silent.

04:09 But now his party says that when we have done a thorough investigation,

04:12 they opposed this bill.

04:14 Abdul Qadir, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:18 He is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:19 Halalur Rehman, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:22 Nasibullah Bazaie, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:25 Koda Babar, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:29 Prince Ahmed Umar Zai, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:32 Senator Ahmed, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:35 Sana Jamali, who is a member of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.

04:38 Kamil Ali Agha, who is a member of Pakistan PMLQ.

04:41 Manzoor Kakar, who is a member of Pakistan PMLQ.

04:46 These three reasons were mentioned in the speech,

04:49 which should have led to the election.

04:51 Shockingly, there was a reason that there is no gas and electricity.

04:55 The second reason was that it was very cold.

04:58 And the third reason was security concerns.

05:01 These three reasons are being discussed in the entire Senate session

05:04 on the basis of which the election is being postponed.

05:06 Let's see what it is.

05:08 You say the weather is not an issue.

05:11 Brother, in Ziarat, Chaman and other cold areas of Baluchistan,

05:17 in KPK, first you arrange for gas and electricity.

05:22 Mr. Chairman, Pakistan has come under the influence of terrorism.

05:26 So if we delay the election for five to six months,

05:30 there is no concern in this, Mr. Chairman.

05:33 Minister, first protect us there.

05:36 Establish peace. Arrange for this there.

05:38 Get the election done a hundred times.

05:40 So the first reason is the cold.

05:42 The cold is big, so the election cannot be done.

05:44 But this is a very unacceptable reason.

05:47 Because we have taken out the entire data of the country

05:49 that when and when elections were held in the cold.

05:52 So let me show you.

05:53 In 1970, elections were held in Pakistan in December.

05:56 In February 1985, elections were held in the country.

05:59 In November 1988, elections were held in Pakistan.

06:02 In February 1997, elections were held in the country.

06:07 In February 2008, elections were held in Pakistan.

06:11 In December 2020, elections were held in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

06:16 In which the JIOIF was very successful.

06:18 So these were also held in the cold.

06:20 In February 2022, elections were held in 13 districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

06:25 So there were no objections at that time.

06:28 The reason for the cold is not strong at all.

06:32 Because we have a complete history of this.

06:35 We have a political history in which elections were held in the cold.

06:39 So what are the reasons why the history of elections has been changed in the past?

06:43 Let's take a look at this.

06:44 What is its historical background?

06:46 In 1977, due to the outbreak of opposition,

06:51 Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's government postponed the general elections in December 1977.

06:58 They changed the date of the elections.

07:03 Elections were held in 1988.

07:06 Due to the flood, the date of the general elections in the country was kept after the 9th day of the assembly.

07:12 General elections were held in 2008.

07:14 After the martyrdom of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, the elections were held in February 2008.

07:21 So these were postponed for a few days.

07:23 Due to these reasons, elections have been held in this country.

07:26 Due to the weather and peace, the whole province of this country fought against terrorism for two decades.

07:33 Elections were held there.

07:35 It was also held in 2002 when there were a lot of effects of war against terrorism.

07:40 So, the peace in this country has not been seen by some provinces for decades.

07:45 So, how much more do we have to wait on the basis of which we can achieve complete peace and hold elections?

07:50 This is also not the reason.

07:52 The third reason is that there is no gas and electricity.

07:54 So, in many areas of this country, these facilities have not been available for a long time.

07:59 But elections have been held there.

08:01 Now, what kind of magic wand will be used to get these facilities night and day and hold elections?

08:08 So, elections were held in the worst of conditions in the country.

08:12 And it is present all over the world.

08:14 Let's talk about the program first.

08:16 Dr. Aftanullah is present with us.

08:18 Let's try to get a second view on this.

08:21 I was supposed to join with Dr. Manzoor Ahmed Kakar.

08:24 But he has not joined us in this program yet.

08:27 Dr. Aftanullah, two-day questions that people are expressing their surprise again and again.

08:30 First of all, there were no signs of quorum there.

08:33 No one told us that there are only 14 members and the quorum is not complete.

08:38 Or that they did not get time and everything happened suddenly.

08:41 Why were there no signs of quorum there?

08:44 In the name of God, the most merciful.

08:47 We were not expecting that a decision would be made.

08:52 A normal matter was going on.

08:56 When the supplementary agenda came,

08:58 we realized that it was coming.

09:03 We had to listen to it and then decide.

09:07 I was listening to it and preparing the answer.

09:09 I did not think of a quorum.

09:12 That is why I did not do it.

09:13 If I had thought of it, I would have done it.

09:15 How long will this process last?

09:18 When a resolution is presented, there is a debate on it.

09:21 There have been many speeches and explanations.

09:25 But despite that, a resolution was presented.

09:27 Have you seen this for the first time?

09:29 Or have you been to the Senate and seen this happening?

09:33 Or is this a novel thing that has happened?

09:36 Supplementary agendas come.

09:39 This has happened many times.

09:41 It has happened in front of me too.

09:42 This has happened many times during the PDI.

09:45 This can happen.

09:48 But it is very rare that a meeting is held after Friday.

09:52 Normally, we have a business till Friday.

09:55 After that, there is no meeting.

09:59 Then it is prologued and the session is held the next day.

10:03 This was a bit out of the ordinary.

10:07 Senator Fauzi Arshad said that he wanted to approve the PDI.

10:12 The chairman said that it is time for Friday.

10:16 If it cannot be done now, then we will come after Friday.

10:18 It was a bit surprising for me too.

10:20 Normally, it does not happen after Friday.

10:23 This was one issue.

10:25 You gave a clear statement in your speech.

10:29 But the second thing is that the People's Party gave a clear statement.

10:34 They voted for the PDI.

10:36 The party gave them a show-cause notice.

10:38 The People's Party had to hold a press conference.

10:41 The People's Party had to give a clear statement on this issue.

10:45 We are seeing from the PM's side that you gave your point of view.

10:48 But we did not see a clear point from your high leadership.

10:52 Do you think that this is not necessary?

10:54 Or are you just formulating your point of view?

10:58 If such a statement is passed in the Senate,

11:00 then the PM should give a formal answer on behalf of the people.

11:04 I am a representative of the people.

11:07 Our party leadership has repeatedly said that the elections should be held on February 8.

11:14 This is a continuation of that statement.

11:20 We want the people to be active and move forward.

11:25 I am a representative of the party.

11:28 Of course, the people who planned the supplementary agenda did not know what was going to happen.

11:36 They knew that the PM would come.

11:38 The rest of the people did not know.

11:40 I was sitting there and I was told to act according to the party policy.

11:44 What do you think about the planning?

11:48 Earlier, when senior people came to the Senate, they were present there.

11:53 But this was passed in the presence of 14 people.

11:59 Was there any communication about this?

12:02 Did you have a dialogue with the people?

12:10 I did not receive any such information.

12:19 I did not discuss this with any other senator.

12:23 Nor did I hear that such a thing was going to be included in the agenda.

12:27 It was surprising for us when he came.

12:32 I think no one was anticipating this.

12:35 After Jummah, no one comes to house business.

12:40 This was out of the ordinary.

12:44 That's why we had to respond at that time.

12:47 We have with us Faisal Karim Kundi.

12:50 He has been issued a show-cause notice by the Pakistan People's Party.

12:53 Why did this confusion occur?

12:55 The people's party has a clear policy.

13:00 It is clear without any ifs and buts.

13:03 So, the policy did not reach Mr. Tangi.

13:06 It was his independent opinion.

13:08 He stood up for it and gave a speech.

13:11 What is this? What is the assessment of the people's party?

13:14 We will continue this discussion after the break.

13:26 We will try to take the people's party's perspective as well.

13:29 You all stay with us.

13:30 Welcome back.

13:34 We were talking to Mr. Afnanullah Khan.

13:37 Now we will talk about the Pakistan People's Party.

13:39 A while ago, Mr. Bairaman Tangi was issued a show-cause notice by the Pakistan People's Party.

13:46 He was asked how he supported this resolution.

13:51 The people's party has a standing instruction and policy on the delay of the elections.

13:58 Why did he support the resolution to delay the elections?

14:03 He has not only supported it but he has also testified for it.

14:10 Initially, when the people's party was asked about the opposition of Mr. Rehman,

14:16 Mr. Tangi said that he did not support it.

14:20 He will investigate it.

14:22 It seems that he supported it.

14:25 A few days ago, Mr. Bairaman Tangi presented a resolution in the Senate.

14:29 We will talk about it.

14:31 We will talk to Mr. Faisal Karim Kundi.

14:34 We will ask him whether this policy was not conveyed to Mr. Tangi.

14:40 This is his personal decision.

14:44 Mr. Faisal, can you hear me?

14:47 Yes.

14:48 Mr. Kundi, the position taken by Mr. Bairaman Tangi today,

14:52 the people's party is very clear that there will be no election delay.

14:55 So, was this party policy not conveyed?

14:57 Did he not understand what position to take?

15:01 Or is this his independent decision?

15:03 What did you find in the vote he gave for the resolution?

15:08 In the name of Allah, Pakistan's party is very clear about the elections.

15:14 As you saw, Mr. Bukhuzad Ali and the whole party talked about the elections.

15:23 And then you saw the Supreme Court's date for the elections.

15:27 And we do not want an election delay for even an hour.

15:30 Mr. Bairaman Tangi, the senator and our parliamentarian, should know about this policy.

15:36 Everyone knows what party policy is.

15:38 It has been going on for a long time.

15:42 If Mr. Bairaman Tangi has done this, the party has asked him for a release.

15:46 He has issued a show-case.

15:48 Our party's secretary general has issued a show-case.

15:50 He will release him on that.

15:52 Pakistan's bus party has no such policy.

15:54 And we do not want an election delay for even an hour.

15:58 This is clear to us.

16:00 But I do not understand, Mr. Tangi should know about this.

16:04 Because everyone has been talking about this from the chairman to the people.

16:08 How did he miss this?

16:10 How did he vote for the resolution?

16:12 And a few days ago, Mr. Tangi presented another resolution.

16:18 Tell us, was there no consultation at that time?

16:22 Is there a consultation today?

16:24 Is Mr. Tangi's agenda separate from the People's Party?

16:26 If Mr. Tangi is doing an agenda separate from the People's Party, the party will take action on it.

16:32 The party has issued a show-case notice.

16:34 When the party will give an answer, it is fine if the party is satisfied.

16:37 Otherwise, action will be taken against him.

16:39 There is no one worse than the party.

16:41 If Mr. Tangi is a senator today, it is because of the party.

16:43 Everyone is because of the party.

16:45 No one can have their own personal agenda.

16:47 It can be that person's agenda, that senator's agenda, or that parliamentarian's agenda.

16:50 Whoever is free, they can do whatever they want.

16:52 When you come to the party seat, the party seat is yours.

16:56 You use the party's representation.

16:58 Today, what they have done, they have received a show-case notice.

17:01 And if we are not satisfied, then they will be given a clear action.

17:06 By the way, are you surprised that no one has signed the quorum today?

17:10 14 people were present there.

17:12 I spoke to Mr. Afnan, he said that he forgot to sign the quorum.

17:15 He gave a speech and got his point of view registered.

17:19 Usually, the quorum in the Senate is very particular.

17:22 Were you surprised when the resolution was being passed?

17:25 How was the resolution presented to so few people?

17:28 What is your interpretation? How can this be done technically?

17:31 I don't know which members were present there.

17:34 I know that Mr. Afnan and Mr. Behrman Tangi were present.

17:38 If there were 14 people, then 12 people were left.

17:41 So, maybe they are a special group of people who follow the agenda of the Chairman's Senate.

17:47 There are many things in the Senate that the Parliament has neglected.

17:51 I don't know if they have done anything on the Chairman's Senate.

17:55 They are seeing that these are the things in the last month.

17:59 But I don't think that there will be any difference in their character.

18:03 And I think that they have neglected the Senate.

18:07 Didn't they know about terrorism in this country?

18:11 Do you think they will debate on terrorism in the Senate?

18:14 Isn't the Chairman's Senate in Balochistan?

18:17 Aren't the other members of the Senate in Pakistan?

18:21 Do they see the situation now?

18:24 When the Chairman's son was going to the Senate and he was telling the militants that they will be peaceful.

18:31 Didn't the Chairman's Senate know what was happening in this country?

18:34 Do they see that these things are happening in this country?

18:37 And when our members came and asked for a microphone, the Chairman's Senate adjourned the session.

18:43 They wanted to bring the resolution.

18:46 The counter-resolution was adjourned.

18:50 So, what do you think about the Chairman's Senate?

18:53 They must know about the rules.

18:54 They know that if a resolution is passed in the presence of 14 people, then it is not a majority.

18:58 It is not a full session.

19:00 But despite that, they passed it.

19:02 You said that they have passed a resolution before.

19:08 What is your assessment on this?

19:10 Look, until you point out the National Assembly and Senate in the Parliament, the session continues.

19:17 And if a member points out, then they definitely have to count on it.

19:24 And the quorum has to be targeted.

19:26 Until the target is not reached, the session continues.

19:32 And the Chairman's Senate or the Speaker of the National Assembly cannot point out until the members point out.

19:37 But I think that in the history of Pakistan, in the history of politics,

19:43 I think that if Sina Gurek, Sia Jinnah and Bairman Tangi voted for them,

19:48 they should at least know that today was the anniversary of Sheikh Zubkali Bhutto,

19:52 who sacrificed for the democracy and the constitution.

19:55 So today, if you are such a kind of resolution, which I think the democracy does not support at all,

20:02 I think they did something wrong for that.

20:05 Now whatever it is, if they give their replies, then I will not be happy.

20:10 Okay, so you will decide on this.

20:11 You yourself are a special Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

20:13 It is being said that it is very cold.

20:15 Because of this, there is snowfall in some areas, there is no gas, there is no electricity in some areas,

20:20 people cannot come to vote.

20:23 What is your experience with this?

20:25 Because in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, is it so cold, is it so snowy that elections cannot be held?

20:31 Look, it is not like that.

20:33 I myself am not afraid of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

20:35 When I am running for election, Maulana Sahib and I have a relationship.

20:38 It is cold, no doubt.

20:39 When the election was indicated in February, the elections were not held in winter.

20:42 Before that, elections were held in winter, in summer.

20:45 I want to tell Maulana Sahib that elections were held in the month of Ramadan.

20:48 And first, they made an excuse that the weather is bad.

20:53 Now, they are making an excuse that the situation is bad.

20:56 So, Maulana Sahib's governor is sitting, he has his own relatives.

20:58 Did he take any action on this?

21:00 Did he call a meeting of the Apex Committee?

21:02 Before that, the majority of the members of his watchful cabinet, who were in it,

21:05 who were removed on political grounds, did they talk about it?

21:08 Today, elections have come.

21:10 And when they find out that they are not getting a mandate from the public,

21:13 they want to take a runaway route.

21:15 They cannot escape, but as far as electricity and gas are concerned,

21:18 I have written a letter to the Prime Minister today.

21:21 What kind of 22-hour load-shedding is happening in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, in Zillow.

21:26 I think that the issue that is happening in Zillow,

21:28 and the people are like this in terms of gas, and if the people are like this in terms of photocopying,

21:32 So, Prime Minister, one last question on that.

21:34 Faisal Sahib, then we will take permission from you.

21:36 I asked the PMLN people, why did they not give the sign of Koram to Afnan Sahib?

21:40 They said that they had forgotten.

21:42 You also had members sitting there, Tangi Sahib,

21:46 they also did not give the sign of Koram.

21:48 So, the People's Party did not do that either.

21:50 And what can we expect from free people?

21:52 Free people have a free platform, they have an association with the party.

21:56 They have a party policy.

21:58 So, in the People's Party, Tangi Sahib and the rest of the people did not give the sign of Koram.

22:02 Look, I do not know which other party members were sitting there.

22:06 But if the party members who have violated the party policy,

22:10 the party will not compromise on the election.

22:16 I have already said that the election is a clear decision of our party.

22:20 There is no compromise on the election, whether it is Tangi Sahib, me or someone else.

22:24 Thank you very much.

22:25 Faisal Karim Kundi was with us.

22:27 He was saying that a very strict action will be taken against Mehraban Tangi Sahib.

22:30 Because neither did Afnan Sahib give the sign of Koram,

22:33 he says that he had forgotten.

22:35 Anyway, the clear position has come from the people's party.

22:37 Hamid Khan Sahib is with us from Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.

22:40 Hamid Khan Sahib is with us from the PTI of the Pakistan People's Party.

22:43 He has other big issues.

22:45 His documents have been nominated by the people of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.

22:48 They are being accepted again very quickly.

22:50 This week we saw that last week,

22:52 as the entire documents were blown from the entire district and from the entire circles,

22:58 now we have seen that in just one week,

23:00 most of the documents have been accepted for the appeal.

23:04 Shah Mahmood Qureshi Sahib's documents have been accepted from the NA214.

23:08 Zain Qureshi's, Ayaaz Ameer Sahib's, Shoaib Shaheen Sahib's,

23:13 Naeem Haider Panjota Sahib's, Zulfi Bukhari Sahib's,

23:17 NA51 PP6 Attak's, Haleem Adil Sheikh Sahib's,

23:21 Shaukat Basra, his wife, Iman Tahir, Naz Ilahi, Raja Bisharat Sahib,

23:26 Umair Niazi, their documents have also been accepted.

23:29 Firdaus Shameem Naqvi Sahib, Tahir Iqbal Chaudhary,

23:31 and now I have read Fawad Chaudhary Sahib's documents have also been accepted.

23:35 Anyway, there are many legal challenges.

23:37 We will talk to Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaaf's Hamid Khan Sahib.

23:39 Thank you very much Hamid Sahib for joining us.

23:41 Now the documents are being accepted again by you people,

23:45 at this level, at this stage.

23:49 But now there is a big challenge of the bullet mark, sir.

23:51 So now those whose documents will be accepted,

23:53 will they fight independently on their own marks,

23:56 or the Supreme Court, Pakistan's Tariq-e-Insaaf is going for the bullet mark,

23:59 do you think they will recover?

24:02 Look, the thing is that all these candidates are from the party,

24:08 they cannot fight independently,

24:10 nor is it the policy of the party that we fight the candidates of the party

24:17 who we have to give the ticket as free candidates.

24:21 Because this is the most hard-working party of Pakistan at the moment,

24:26 and it should get the mark in the election,

24:30 and if it is deprived of its electoral mark,

24:36 then it will be a very big political injustice,

24:39 which has no way of reconciliation.

24:42 Anyway, the second order that the Peshawar High Court has passed,

24:47 to take back the first order,

24:50 in my opinion, it was not legally appropriate,

24:54 because it is not the practice of the High Court

24:58 that one single judge's order,

25:00 and the other single judge withdraws it.

25:04 Anyway, now the matter has been taken to the Supreme Court,

25:08 now see, we have hope and expectation there,

25:12 that this matter will be fixed legally.

25:16 So, Hamid Khan sir, there are two cases in this,

25:18 the worst case scenario is that the Tariq-e-Insaaf does not get the bullet mark,

25:22 but you will not be able to get an alternate mark,

25:25 because the inter-party elections have been challenged,

25:27 so you are foreseeing that if you do not get the bullet mark,

25:30 then what will be done,

25:31 then the candidates whose papers are accepted,

25:34 but because of the election of the Jamaat,

25:36 there is no mark,

25:38 then this will be another complication.

25:40 So, if you do not get the bullet mark,

25:42 then what will happen technically,

25:44 how will all these candidates become a part of the election?

25:47 See, if you do not get the mark of the party,

25:51 then they are not allowing the party to participate in the election.

25:54 If you do not get any mark for any mark,

25:57 then you can give any other mark,

25:59 but the matter is not about the mark,

26:02 here it is a very regretful attempt to keep the party out of the election,

26:10 whose purpose is to derail democracy in the country.

26:14 Those forces that are now trying to take the Tariq-e-Insaaf

26:18 and the leadership of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf

26:21 and especially their leaders,

26:25 they are trying to keep them out,

26:27 they are not doing good for Pakistan,

26:30 nor are they doing good for democracy.

26:32 Therefore, this will be a very difficult situation,

26:37 if the party does not get the election mark,

26:41 then the elections will be completely over.

26:45 Okay, and sir, the candidates whose papers are accepted,

26:48 but the party does not have any mark,

26:50 so what will be the status of those whose papers are accepted?

26:52 See, they will not be the representatives of the party,

26:58 they will be independent candidates.

27:00 Then this situation can happen that

27:03 4-5 people from our party have submitted their names and papers,

27:07 and there are many people in the circle,

27:10 and this policy also happens,

27:12 that if one candidate's name is rejected,

27:17 then we have other options, second options, etc.

27:21 But if such a situation arises,

27:24 in which there are 3-4 candidates,

27:26 one party is claiming,

27:28 they have different election marks,

27:31 then the people and voters are completely confused,

27:37 they do not know who will represent this party.

27:41 So, in this situation,

27:43 a national election cannot be formed,

27:46 because it is necessary for a national election

27:49 that there is a common mark,

27:51 every candidate should have a common mark.

27:53 So, in these difficulties,

27:54 a layer will be added for you.

27:55 Sir, today a resolution has been passed in the Senate,

27:57 though it has been called a majority resolution,

28:00 but it is a minority resolution,

28:02 because the forum was not complete,

28:04 neither were the candidates there,

28:06 nor was there participation in the Senate.

28:09 But this is not binding,

28:11 it is a major resolution,

28:13 but if someone wants to legally delay the election,

28:17 what will be the process?

28:19 Will he go to the Supreme Court?

28:21 See, even if the resolution was to delay the election,

28:24 even if it was with the quorum,

28:26 it was not binding.

28:27 See, it is already illegal,

28:30 because there was no quorum.

28:32 Even if someone pointed out that

28:34 it was the duty of the chairman,

28:36 he would see how such an important resolution is being passed,

28:40 when the quorum is not present,

28:42 how are you regulating the House of 104

28:44 with the votes of 14 or 12 people?

28:47 It seems that this resolution has been passed

28:50 on the instructions of someone else on purpose.

28:54 In my opinion,

28:56 this is not a legal time,

28:58 nor is it a binding time.

29:00 The rest is that there is no reason to delay the election,

29:04 the elections are already delayed.

29:06 The elections should have been held

29:08 in the first week of November.

29:12 Because there is a 90-day restriction under the constitution.

29:15 The elections are being held

29:17 after being exempted from the first constitution.

29:21 But anyway, if it is delayed,

29:23 then the elections should be held,

29:25 otherwise, the entire country's system

29:27 has already become a mess.

29:29 To bring this system back to the jail,

29:32 elections are very important.

29:34 Only then can the Senate elections be held.

29:37 Only then can the House be formed

29:39 on the basis of all five governments.

29:42 So, it is not appropriate for this country

29:45 to take the elections in any form.

29:48 Thank you very much.

29:49 Amit Khan was with us.

29:50 We will take a break.

29:51 When we come back,

29:52 the most dangerous thing that was revealed

29:54 in today's speech in the Senate

29:56 was that the wave of terrorism is rising.

29:59 And the atmosphere is not safe to hold elections.

30:02 In the last part of the program,

30:04 we will take a look at this.

30:05 We will have with us

30:06 Masoodullah Tipu.

30:07 We will ask him

30:08 whether it is difficult to hold elections

30:10 during the wave of terrorism.

30:13 Are these threats correct?

30:15 We will talk about this after the break.

30:17 Welcome back.

30:23 The most dangerous thing that was revealed

30:25 in today's speech in the Senate

30:27 was that the wave of terrorism is rising.

30:29 And the atmosphere is not safe to hold elections.

30:31 This year, we saw that

30:32 the incidents that took place

30:34 before and during the election campaign

30:36 have increased.

30:37 Today, we saw that

30:38 motorcycle riders from Islamabad

30:40 shot down the deputy general

30:42 of the Sunni Ulma Council,

30:44 Secretary of the Ulma Council,

30:46 Maulana Masood Urreman Usmani.

30:48 Two days ago,

30:49 during the election campaign in Miran Shah,

30:51 the National Democratic Movement

30:53 chairman Mohsin Dawar was shot down.

30:55 On September 14, 2023,

30:57 there was a blast in Mastung.

30:59 11 people were injured,

31:00 including JAI Rehnaumah Hafiz Abdullah.

31:02 On July 30, 2023,

31:03 there was a blast in Bajor,

31:04 at the JAI Workers Convention.

31:06 54 people were injured.

31:08 According to the recent report

31:09 of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies,

31:11 in comparison to 2022,

31:12 in the incidents of terrorism in 2023,

31:14 17% increase has been seen.

31:16 And we see how much increase

31:18 has been seen in the terrorist attacks.

31:20 The loss of life from terrorist attacks

31:22 has increased by 65%.

31:24 The most affected provinces are

31:26 Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

31:28 If we talk about this,

31:30 how much truth is there

31:32 in the threats during the election?

31:34 We have with us

31:36 Ihsanullah Tipu Masood,

31:38 Senior Journalist,

31:40 Director of News, Khurasan Diary.

31:42 If we start with today's incident,

31:44 Maulana Masood Urreman Usmani,

31:46 I was seeing your tweets,

31:48 why was he targeted?

31:50 And what is your opinion

31:52 on the fact that

31:54 the fault line is already there,

31:56 the secretariat,

31:58 this is not right for him,

32:00 this will be further exploited.

32:02 Why? How is this?

32:04 Exactly, Maulana Masood Urreman,

32:06 the Safa Sahaba,

32:08 the band and Ahl-e-Sunnah Jamaat

32:10 have also been banned.

32:12 Their senior leaders are the central leaders

32:14 and the translators of this whole organization.

32:16 So, they had a opinion in the past

32:18 that the Shia-Sunni secretariat angle,

32:20 the Shia scholars have also been targeted,

32:22 the Sunnis have also been targeted.

32:24 So, in that regard,

32:26 because the militancy is already

32:28 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan,

32:30 the militant groups are also exploiting

32:32 the local political grievances

32:34 or social grievances.

32:36 So, I think this incident of today,

32:38 I don't know who attacked it,

32:40 but definitely the jihadi groups

32:42 who are encrypted in their channels,

32:44 they have already started

32:46 accusing our neighboring country

32:48 that they are behind this,

32:50 they are behind this.

32:52 So, this is why the sectarian,

32:54 because this time, in fact,

32:56 for a long time,

32:58 the sectarian militancy

33:00 was almost over.

33:02 We were not seeing those attacks

33:04 in Balochistan and here,

33:06 in other countries as well.

33:08 But because of such incidents,

33:10 I think the jihadi elements

33:12 can exploit this

33:14 so that the country also

33:16 can exploit this.

33:18 The Shia-Sunni conflict

33:20 was in the whole country.

33:22 80s, 90s, I remember even as a child.

33:24 Let's move forward a little.

33:26 Today, I heard speeches in the Senate

33:28 and everyone's concern was

33:30 that the situation is not safe.

33:32 There is no air to hold elections

33:34 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

33:36 There is no security.

33:38 Dawar is also under attack.

33:40 Maulana's Jamaat is also under attack.

33:42 Are these really such circumstances

33:44 or are they worse than that?

33:46 No, not at all.

33:48 There are attacks and the situation is not safe.

33:50 There are serious concerns about security,

33:52 especially in two provinces.

33:54 There are daily attacks.

33:56 But they are not large-scale attacks.

33:58 In the recent past,

34:00 in Rawan, where 24 security forces were killed,

34:02 and then the tank was attacked the next day.

34:04 Those attacks are different.

34:06 But the situation is not as bad

34:08 as in the 2013 election or 2008.

34:10 At that time, there were attacks

34:12 and targeted killings.

34:14 There were bomb blasts and IED attacks.

34:16 So, I think the situation is not so bad

34:18 that you can hold elections.

34:20 Yes, there is one party

34:22 which is on the target list

34:24 and that is Maulana Khudri Aman's party

34:26 and that is from Daesh Khurasan.

34:28 There have been attacks on him.

34:30 You mentioned in the intro

34:32 that the attack in Bajor

34:34 on Hafiz Hamdullah and yesterday

34:36 there was an attack on a candidate

34:38 of the MPA in Bajor.

34:40 But the situation is not like that.

34:42 I have my own assessment

34:44 that you should hold elections.

34:46 The attack on Mohsen Dawood was very dangerous.

34:48 He was saved by God.

34:50 He was bulletproof.

34:52 He was saved because of that attack.

34:54 Otherwise, it was a very severe attack.

34:56 I think such individual acts can happen.

34:58 It used to happen before.

35:00 But holding elections

35:02 is not possible because of them.

35:04 In 2008, the entire parties were targeted.

35:06 People's Party was not allowed to campaign.

35:08 ANP was not allowed to campaign.

35:10 The Billore family was killing people.

35:12 In 2013, we saw that

35:14 the entire parties were targeted.

35:16 Now, it is the time of JUIF.

35:18 Are the People's Party, PTI

35:20 and ANP campaigning in the areas?

35:22 Yes, the campaigns are not happening

35:24 in the areas.

35:26 The central leadership is missing

35:28 and is not doing big rallies.

35:30 In general elections, the central leadership

35:32 goes and does the rounds of the country

35:34 and holds rallies.

35:36 We are not seeing that.

35:38 In this regard, Maulana's concerns

35:40 are genuine.

35:42 He is in danger.

35:44 Not only he is claiming,

35:46 our security agencies and district administrations

35:48 are issuing threat alerts to him.

35:50 Maulana Asad, his son,

35:52 is contesting with a tank.

35:54 He has just been recently found.

35:56 But the other political parties

35:58 according to our assessments,

36:00 they are not being a threat.

36:02 They can be individual targets.

36:04 But as a whole, the way they targeted

36:06 the ANP, every leader of their party

36:08 was targeted.

36:10 The top leadership of the People's Party,

36:12 Benazir Bhutto was also martyred.

36:14 We are not seeing that.

36:16 An organized campaign

36:18 against the political parties.

36:20 We have also read the report of

36:22 the Pakistan Institute for Peace Studies.

36:24 17% increase in terrorism.

36:26 65% increase in the loss of lives.

36:28 Today's speech,

36:30 because for me, the context is important.

36:32 The representatives are talking about

36:34 when the conditions of peace and harmony

36:36 are better, then we can have elections.

36:38 So, in the next 4, 6, 8 months,

36:40 do you think that

36:42 the situation will stabilize

36:44 and we can have elections?

36:46 No, I think it is difficult.

36:48 Because in 2023,

36:50 the militant build-up

36:52 of all the groups of Pakistan

36:54 or Taliban,

36:56 or from the side of Daesh-e-Farhans

36:58 or even below the separatist militant groups.

37:00 Their intensity is the same

37:02 in 2024.

37:04 In fact, in 2024,

37:06 the threat is that they will grow further.

37:08 So, I don't think so.

37:10 If we make it a scale,

37:12 then I think we will have to wait

37:14 for a year or two for the election.

37:16 And secondly,

37:18 the absence of an elected government

37:20 and the absence of a proper

37:22 counter-militancy or terrorism policy.

37:24 And the government will implement it.

37:26 Yes, the government will implement it.

37:28 But the government will do it

37:30 in the form of an elected government.

37:32 Because the officials of Afghanistan

37:34 are saying that

37:36 when a permanent government will come,

37:38 we will negotiate with them

37:40 regarding TTP, Daesh-e-Farhans

37:42 or other issues.

37:44 So, I think it is very important

37:46 to have an elected government

37:48 so that there are steps

37:50 for a wave of militancy.

37:52 Why is Mullah Naq Fazl Rahman's party

37:54 under attack?

37:56 He doesn't understand the politics

37:58 and doesn't know the details of militancy.

38:00 Why is Mullah Naq Fazl Rahman's party

38:02 facing challenges in this election

38:04 and in the last one and a half years?

38:06 Actually, it is because of Daesh-e-Farhans.

38:08 Because their ideology

38:10 completely rejects the democracy,

38:12 the constitution, and the parliament.

38:14 So, the main reason is

38:16 that there is a ideological difference.

38:18 The ideological difference is with Mullah Naq

38:20 because he believes in the constitution

38:22 and democracy.

38:24 So, he rejects the constitution

38:26 and the constitution is his only

38:28 source of information.

38:30 Secondly, his background is that

38:32 in the past, when Daesh-e-Farhans

38:34 used to have a strong hold

38:36 in Afghanistan,

38:38 they issued fatwas

38:40 against Taliban.

38:42 They said that Taliban

38:44 who are fighting against Daesh

38:46 are justified and should be fought against.

38:48 So, these are the two reasons

38:50 why they have a personal rivalry

38:52 with Daesh-e-Farhans.

38:54 And one is that they are targeting

38:56 them continuously because of democracy.

38:58 In the past, TTP had targeted

39:00 Mullah Naq people.

39:02 But now, the new manifesto of TTP

39:04 has come from 2022.

39:06 So, they will not target political parties

39:08 anymore.

39:10 So, they are now only targeting

39:12 Daesh-e-Farhans.

39:14 Thank you very much,

39:16 Tipu Masood.

39:18 I would like to say that

39:20 we have to get elections

39:22 in the near future

39:24 because only the elected government

39:26 can make counter-terrorism policies.

39:28 It can take ownership of the policies

39:30 and implement them.

39:32 All stakeholders

39:34 want to talk to the elected government.

39:36 That is why it is necessary

39:38 to get elections.

39:40 If we have to make elections

39:42 based on peace,

39:44 then we may have to wait for 1.5 to 2 years

39:46 before getting elections.

39:48 This is not possible.

39:50 The program is over.

39:52 Do not forget to give your feedback.

Sawal Yeh Hai | Maria Memon | ARY News | 5th Januray 2024

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