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00:00:00 Yes. Oh, there we go. It starts and it zooms in because nothing says quality like the camera

00:00:08 that randomly changes settings when you start it. Alright. But we are here. I am, look at

00:00:12 that, I have a collar. I have a collar for you because that's just how much I respect

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00:01:33 really appreciate that. Thank you for your support. It's very much needed and very much

00:01:37 appreciated. Thank you. We have, um, album reviews. We have premium call-in shows, premium

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00:02:09 of self-censorship began to come in around us. But yeah, so there's premium searches.

00:02:15 Now you get Steph bot AI. You can ask the AI that has been trained on all of my work

00:02:22 podcasts and books and articles and you name it. You can ask Steph bot AI, which is some

00:02:28 pretty fine stuff and no diamonds. Yeah, that's right. There was a diamond. Wasn't there.

00:02:33 It was, yeah, that's right. It was bronze, silver, gold, diamond, and then PK. And the

00:02:39 premium shows are also getting remastered. So we have, um, a really good service and

00:02:45 some tweaking that really does make things fantastic. Uh, hit me with a why if you've

00:02:51 consumed any of the content, wherein when I do a call-in show, I have a transcript that

00:02:56 breaks out me and the listener. Like it says, Steph says this, caller says this, does that

00:03:00 matter? Do you care about that? It's a step or a couple of extra steps, but if it's worth

00:03:06 it, or do you, do you read the transcripts? Do you care about the transcripts? I know

00:03:09 for some people, if English is not your first language, having a transcript is really, really

00:03:15 helpful. Uh, but, uh, for most people, of course, if you're strolling around and listening

00:03:20 to it on the road, you don't care. You are just without a care. I should have a Bitcoin

00:03:27 status level above gold and diamond. Yeah. What's this stuff even before? Yeah. I think

00:03:31 that, remind me if this is true, James, I think, I think that message board was pre-Bitcoin.

00:03:37 Bitcoin was 2008, 2009, if I remember rightly. So, uh, it's good. It's good. Yeah. Yeah.

00:03:46 I mean, they're either going to be embedded in the video or we're going to add them so

00:03:50 that you can optionally put on the captions. So I don't know. Is there a pod? Let me ask

00:03:58 you this. Do you know if there's a podcast player or is there an RSS player that also

00:04:01 takes captions? You just used the transcript feature a few minutes ago for what I'm about

00:04:06 to post. For those about to post, we salute you. I was asking to transcribe stuff for

00:04:14 you almost a year ago. You told me not to. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that. I know. Community

00:04:19 server was 2006. Was it that early? Community server was 2006, 2007 or so. Yeah. Yeah. There

00:04:27 was no... And the transcription is obviously not perfect, but it's not bad. It's certainly

00:04:34 better than it used to be. Better than it used to be. Overcast does show chapters if

00:04:42 they're embedded in the MP3. Okay. VLC does on computer. So it needs an SRT or VTT file,

00:04:50 right? Wow. I'm copy pasting into the chat window and it's not working. Well, copy...

00:04:55 My daughter would say, "Well, just copy paste better." That's what she always does. Yeah.

00:05:01 So before it was Bill, right? Before James was Bill. I consumed Bill and I'm in the process

00:05:07 of consuming James. I may need another meal before the end of my life. No. Is a $200 Canadian

00:05:17 monthly donation sufficient for providing career-expanding life-saving advice over the

00:05:21 years? It's the most I can do for now. Obviously, that's very gratefully accepted. Yeah, skill

00:05:27 issue. It's very gratefully accepted. I will tell you, this is not a donation pitch. Honestly,

00:05:35 this is not donate or don't donate at all. I would just basically tell you my philosophy

00:05:39 of donations. I know so deep in my bones it's coming out the other side how incredibly essential

00:05:54 and life-saving what it is I do here. And I'm not just talking... There is the dramatic

00:05:58 life-saving, like the people who are like, "I was heading down a really dark path. I

00:06:03 was getting self-destructive. I discovered philosophy. It turned me around." Like there

00:06:06 is the life-saving stuff that we do here. There's the family-saving stuff where I talk

00:06:11 to a couple or one part of a couple and things work out and they stay together. And that's

00:06:15 of course, particularly important for the kids. There's the life-saving stuff. There's

00:06:20 the life creation stuff. I mean, if there's another more pronatalist show, more child

00:06:31 show, more pro-child show, more pro-parenting show, more pro-family show, I'd like to see

00:06:36 it because I don't really know that there really is, at least not for the kind of good

00:06:39 reasons that we have here. So not only is this a life-saving show, but honestly, you

00:06:44 can think of statistically the hundreds of thousands of babies who've been born because

00:06:48 of this show. Life saved, people turned around, addictions kicked, families saved, children

00:06:56 are born. This is a life-saving and life-creating show. And honestly, I don't think there's

00:07:01 anything out there that does it quite in the way that we do it here and is as committed

00:07:06 and as focused on these issues, particularly with the Peaceful Parenting book. And those

00:07:11 of you who've listened to what I've done or read it, you know what I'm talking about.

00:07:18 Now so that having been said, it is a bit of, I mean, it's very much a moral mission.

00:07:23 This is not a gig for me. This is a moral mission. Now, when it comes to donation, it's

00:07:31 interesting. The way that I think of it, and this is just my way of thinking of it, no

00:07:35 obligation to you. It's just the way that I think of it. The way I think of it is, if

00:07:40 somebody saved my life, what would I give them? Try thinking of life without philosophy.

00:07:57 It's chilling to me. Honestly, I don't think I would have made it without philosophy. I

00:08:03 would have lived a life of such misery that not making it would probably be even better.

00:08:10 So I think of my life without philosophy, and I think of the incredibly deep gratitude

00:08:14 I have that philosophy led me across the stormy river of nihilism and all of that, and led

00:08:20 me to a place of love and peace and tranquility and beauty and happiness and purpose and morals

00:08:26 and all of that kind of stuff. So I'm so great. And this is why I devote my life to philosophy

00:08:33 at some not insignificant personal risk over the years and attacks and denigrations and

00:08:40 income destruction and all kinds of things. I'm just so incredibly grateful for the union

00:08:49 of us and philosophy. But the union of us and this conversation and how philosophy can

00:08:58 actually finally have traction in people's lives and lead them to a better place. Unprecedented,

00:09:04 unprecedented in the history of philosophy for it to be this applicable. The only other

00:09:09 mindset that's even remotely this applicable is religion. But this is philosophy and this

00:09:15 is the most practical, embedded, really physical in terms of how you can embody it actionable

00:09:24 philosophy that has ever existed. There's not even a close second, not even a close

00:09:28 second. So for me, it's like, okay, philosophy saved my life. Philosophy did, it saved my

00:09:38 life. So what do I owe philosophy? Well, I owe philosophy everything. I owe philosophy

00:09:44 everything, not even a close second. Because philosophy saved my life, I dedicate my life

00:09:55 to philosophy. And the degree to which I can help you dedicate your life to philosophy

00:10:02 is the degree to which philosophy has flowed through me in the right kind of way. So if

00:10:13 somebody saved my life, what I owe them would be the value of my life. Philosophy saved

00:10:22 my life, I dedicate my life to philosophy. Not always easy. In fact, sometimes it's really

00:10:27 hard. It's really hard. Sometimes, you know, I'll share a little thing here. You know,

00:10:36 we're just talking here, but I'll share a little thing. Occasionally, when I see people

00:10:48 I used to interact with, be colleagues with, be friends with, and they are going up and

00:10:55 up and up and interviewing at the top tier and they're very public, very successful.

00:11:00 They're giving speeches, they're roaming around, they're talking. Not going to lie, it's a

00:11:10 little tough. It's a little bit feeling left behind. It's a little bit feeling like failed.

00:11:17 It's a little bit feeling like missed the boat. It's a passing feeling, but I'm not

00:11:25 going to pretend it doesn't happen. I never want to lie to you guys. Never want to lie

00:11:29 to you guys. I can't pretend it doesn't happen. Now, for me, it's worth it and it's the right

00:11:35 thing to do, but it's not always the easy thing to do. And we can, of course, think

00:11:42 of just about anything. "The value that you provide is huge," says Jimmy. "Maybe we shouldn't

00:11:52 listen as we can't afford the value that you are providing." That is very passive aggressive

00:11:57 and kind of bitchy. Honestly, that's very snarky. That's very snarky. "And you feel

00:12:07 stung by what I'm saying and you're trying to sting me back." And I'm sorry about that.

00:12:16 I'm sorry that life has led you to that kind of place. So you're trying to punish me for

00:12:21 what it is that I'm saying. Well, maybe I just shouldn't listen to you at all, because

00:12:24 I can't afford it. But I haven't said anything about it. I've told you this was not about

00:12:28 donating. So whatever you're bringing in terms of guilt or feeling bad or feeling lacerated

00:12:33 or lashed, that's entirely your issue. It's not mine because I was very clear that this

00:12:36 is not about you donating.

00:12:45 Of course, I remember the arc of my career, and if that had continued, the arc of my career

00:12:52 in the software world as a software executive entrepreneur of stock options and all that

00:12:57 kind of stuff. And it's not that difficult to calculate where I would be almost 20 years

00:13:01 later. So yes, whatever you've donated to philosophy, I don't mean to be... There's

00:13:06 not a dick measuring contest, but I think it's fair to say that whatever you've donated

00:13:11 to philosophy, I've donated more.

00:13:20 Lee says, "I was down a dark path two and a half years ago and this show made me accept

00:13:23 I need to go to therapy." I'm very glad to hear that. Yeah, let's hear some nice stuff

00:13:27 here.

00:13:31 The white paper was released October 31st, 2008. Genesis Block was mined January 3rd,

00:13:38 2009.

00:13:39 All right, let's see here. Let me get to this. Herman, Ermes, I've seen your question here

00:13:53 and I'm making a note of it. I just want to finish my thoughts here.

00:13:58 My copy paste wasn't working because of too many characters. What are you, like a Russian

00:14:02 novel? I'm grateful for you. Not finding philosophy would be so unpredictable. I'd be married

00:14:09 to a woman I hate, caught up in some turmoil at work, and probably having taken some sort

00:14:13 of unnecessary surgery, right?

00:14:16 I'm always happy to donate. I used to spend so much on stupid vices. I can never repay

00:14:20 you for the value that you've given me by steering my life towards virtue.

00:14:34 Obviously I'm not asking anyone to do something I'm not doing ten or a hundred fold.

00:14:41 Brent, I'm pretty sure I'd be dead or wishing it so. I'm obviously very glad to hear that.

00:14:54 So again, this has nothing to do... Here's the thing. If you choose, and I mean this,

00:15:03 this is not a pitch, I'm completely deadly and totally serious about this. And this is

00:15:11 why when people say it's about the money, it cheapens the entire conversation.

00:15:21 If you find great value in philosophy in the way that I put it forward, in the arguments

00:15:26 that I make, if you turn around and say to me, "Steph, I'm not giving you a dime. I'm

00:15:34 not giving you one thin red cent. But what I am going to do is like you, I'm going to

00:15:40 dedicate my life to talking about philosophy with people. That's what I'm going to do.

00:15:48 I'm not giving you a dime, but I am going to take on the burden of spreading philosophy,

00:15:56 actionable, rational, objective philosophy that achieves practical and tangible goals

00:16:01 in society. I'm going to talk to people about philosophy, not my philosophy, because there's

00:16:05 no such thing as my philosophy. I don't own it. I'm not Fauci, I am science. But maybe

00:16:11 there's some arguments that I have that you want to share. Maybe there's arguments that

00:16:14 have inspired your own particular arguments that you want to share."

00:16:20 And I wait for those emails. Like I really, seriously, I wait for those emails where somebody

00:16:23 says, "I'm canceling all of my donations. I'm never going to support you again. But

00:16:27 instead, instead of sending you any money, Steph, to pay the bills and all of that, and

00:16:36 employees, instead of sending you money, I'm dedicating my life to philosophy." You know

00:16:43 how beautiful that is for me? Do you think I'd write back and say, "No, give me money."

00:16:49 No, I'd be like, "Dude, that is fantastic." This is why when I talk about donating, I'm

00:16:57 talking about serving philosophy. Now, I mean, if you don't want to do it, I have bills and

00:17:02 I have employees and I need to pay and have a viable business. But if you were to say

00:17:11 to me, "I'm not paying you, I'm spreading philosophy. I'm going to devote my life to

00:17:17 philosophy in the way that you have. You've inspired me to devote my life to philosophy."

00:17:23 I would be beyond thrilled. I would be beyond thrilled. I'm looking for that. I'm looking

00:17:28 for that. I want to inspire people over time not to watch philosophy, not to consume philosophy,

00:17:35 but to serve philosophy.

00:17:39 Your speech in around the beginning of 2016 was what convinced me to start donating. Then

00:17:48 again, I did start listening in since 2015 and found you via InfoWars, the value for

00:17:52 value. I encourage everyone to donate and support the show regularly like a subscriber

00:17:55 because since 2015, I knew I'd be listening to this show forever. That's the value I get

00:17:58 out of it. Thank you, Taylor. That's beautiful. I appreciate that.

00:18:02 When I was 14, I walked around a dangerous neighborhood with a knife in my pocket, hoping

00:18:06 somebody would try to mug me. I found your show and my teens philosophy saved my life

00:18:10 and the lives of others. Beautiful. Definitely changed my life for the better forever. Thank

00:18:16 you more than I can ever express in words. Odalis, I appreciate that. And I thank you.

00:18:21 Thank you for those kind words. Thank you for those kind words.

00:18:29 I'm just curious. Not good or bad, genuinely curious. Hit me with a why if you've ever

00:18:35 thought of dedicating your life to philosophy. Not to me, not to what I say, not to my arguments.

00:18:45 And whether it's right or wrong, good or bad, I don't know. I'm just wondering. Hit me with

00:18:50 a why if you've ever seriously thought about dedicating your life to philosophy.

00:18:59 Yes. I think we all know what happens to the world if philosophy doesn't spread. That's

00:19:14 a beautiful number of yeses. Oh, you're just a bunch of yes men. That's beautiful. That's

00:19:19 beautiful. No, that's wonderful. That's wonderful.

00:19:26 The belief with the most dedication tends to win out. The belief with the most dedication

00:19:31 tends to win out. Now, if I'm good at defining, arguing for, and spreading philosophy, both

00:19:40 for now and in the future, then wonderful. You know, you can support me if you don't

00:19:45 want to do it yourself. If you want to do it yourself, fantastic. If you come up with

00:19:49 a better show than I do, even more fantastic. I can donate to you. I think that's wonderful.

00:19:53 No, I never thought I had something original to contribute. Don't most people believe on

00:19:59 some level that they are passively dedicated to whatever philosophy they hold? I don't

00:20:05 know what that means exactly. Jeff is the father I never had. Definitely changed my

00:20:10 life. Thank you. I appreciate that. I dedicate myself to the truth. I don't know if that's

00:20:18 the same. But the truth is an end product of philosophy. You can't dedicate yourself

00:20:24 to bridges without becoming an engineer. The truth is the end result if you dedicate yourself.

00:20:30 But not just to the truth for yourself. We're not subsistence farmers who consume the truth

00:20:36 in our own lives ourselves. I mean, I could have lived a happier life in some ways, just

00:20:42 keeping philosophy to myself and applying it to my own life in my own family. But I

00:20:50 wanted to come out into the public square because if I do have a gift for defining and

00:20:59 explaining philosophy in a way that's actionable and practical and comprehensible, then I mean

00:21:09 it's just an obligation in that. Steph, I'm not as smart as you. My intelligence is in

00:21:13 the construction of buildings. How do you know you're not as smart as me? I mean, if

00:21:18 I was trying to construct buildings, would I look particularly smart to you? I would

00:21:22 not. Yes, I'm not post-LEGO. I've never been much into building the building arts and sciences.

00:21:32 So your intelligence is the construction of buildings. So you're way smarter than me in

00:21:39 the construction of buildings. I may be better than you at philosophy, but I can't do much

00:21:44 philosophy if I don't have a building around me. So I think we're working together. To

00:21:50 me, asking someone if they're dedicated to philosophy is like asking a person, "Do you

00:21:54 want to do what's right in life?" To which 90% are going to say, "Yes." No, it's not

00:21:58 the same. It's not the same. Dedicating your life to philosophy is forgoing other benefits

00:22:20 and taking the attacks that inevitably arise when you talk about objective, rational, moral

00:22:27 truth. I had a pretty sweet gig as a software entrepreneur. It was pretty nice. I got to

00:22:37 travel a lot. I spoke at conferences. I had 30 employees. I had a multi-billion dollar

00:22:42 budget. I was making some decent coin. It was a pretty sweet gig. Pretty sweet gig.

00:22:49 I like that. If you're dedicating your life to nutrition, that doesn't mean that you're

00:22:58 just eating well yourself. Dedicating your life to nutrition is doing the tests to find

00:23:04 better nutrition. The majority of it is not the discovery, it's the spread. I both created

00:23:12 things in the business world. I was a chief technical officer and head programmer for

00:23:17 the software, so I coded millions of lines of code. But I also was a director of marketing

00:23:23 for some years as well. I understand that building something is really not as important

00:23:30 as spreading it. It's necessary but by no means sufficient. If I'd written UPB and

00:23:36 thrown it in a drawer, if I'd written Peaceful Parenting and thrown it in a drawer, what

00:23:41 good would it have done to the world? Are you willing to make sacrifices for the truth?

00:23:57 There's a whole process that goes along with all of this. It's a really interesting process

00:24:01 where you dabble, it's entertaining, it's enjoyable, it's interesting. The call-in shows

00:24:07 of my arguments, they're interesting, they're engaging, there's a bit of jaw-dropping stuff.

00:24:18 And then there's a time, right? There's a time when you go, "Holy shit, philosophy is

00:24:30 not a spectator sport." Right? "Philosophy is not a spectator sport." "Wow, that's a

00:24:41 crazy call-in show, man. I can't believe that guy offered his Thai girlfriend's family a

00:24:46 water buffalo. I can't believe that guy got arrested. I can't believe that guy wouldn't

00:24:51 have children until he had a million pounds in assets. I can't... Like, it's like, wow,

00:24:54 wow." And then at some point, you get that the entertainment and engagement, and some

00:25:00 wisdom and all of that that comes from the call-in shows or whatever it is that I'm doing,

00:25:04 you look in the mirror and you're like, "All the crazy people aren't on the end of the

00:25:09 call-in shows. Our sacrifice is only made when entering the public square. You don't

00:25:17 need to ask me that. You don't need to ask me that." You don't really have to explain

00:25:27 philosophy to anyone if you're doing it. Your actions will speak to the power of philosophy.

00:25:30 When you do good, people will follow. That's not true. No, that's not true.

00:25:35 So let's say that people can't watch you eat, but they like the way that you look and you

00:25:41 have lots of energy and you're relatively slender and all these kinds of things. How

00:25:45 will they know what to eat? They won't know what to eat until you define and objectively

00:25:52 communicate and enthusiastically inculcate in them the desire to follow your diet.

00:25:58 So, Bob, when you say, "You don't really have to explain philosophy if you're doing it,"

00:26:04 of course you do. If you're really good at math, does that mean that people would just

00:26:11 absorb math by being around you? If you're really good at tennis, will people just become

00:26:16 great tennis players by watching you and just being in your aura? No, of course you have

00:26:20 to explain it. God. I mean, you're literally here having me explain philosophy, saying,

00:26:29 "Well, you don't really have to explain philosophy." You don't see that contradiction? Oh my gosh.

00:26:36 I know I wouldn't be able to speak like you do. My thoughts are clear and concise in my

00:26:39 head, but I don't have the facility to express them. Mind you, I don't have an audience to

00:26:43 practice on. I've never met anyone who's taken great interest in my thoughts.

00:26:55 So you think that I'm good at what I do because I have an audience to practice on? Sorry,

00:27:01 I don't quite follow this. Are you saying that I was bad, I got an audience, and then

00:27:09 I started practicing on that audience and got better? I know comprende, señor. I know

00:27:25 tengo dinero. That's not a real thing. I was doing philosophy for decades, for 20 years,

00:27:37 more than 20 years before I entered the public square. I mean, I was almost 40 when I entered

00:27:45 the public square, and I'd been doing philosophy for a quarter of a century.

00:27:54 So the idea that I'm only good because I have an audience, you don't get an audience unless

00:27:58 you have something of value to offer, and you don't have something of value to offer

00:28:01 unless you study for a long time beforehand and put it in practice in your own life. And

00:28:06 of course I have this combination of rational thought and a very creative and imaginative

00:28:13 artistic mind as well. I can write novels and poems and plays as well as the logic stuff.

00:28:20 My question is, how far do you go in living for philosophy? How much do you sacrifice?

00:28:26 For example, in the company I work for, the amount of woke bored is crazy. If I confront

00:28:31 it, there's no doubt I'd lose my job. How far do you go in living for philosophy? Like,

00:28:40 how much do you sacrifice? You're not particularly good at philosophy yet if you think there's

00:28:47 some objective answer for that. Is there some objective answer to that? I think a dynamic

00:28:58 that's going on in the chat right now is an unspoken assumption that when Steph speaks

00:29:01 about people dedicating their life to philosophy, that also includes proselytizing for philosophy.

00:29:08 Well, does philosophy spread if you don't spread it? And what happens if you don't spread

00:29:20 philosophy? Who takes over the minds of the masses if philosophy is not spread? The gulf

00:29:28 between living a philosophy and communicating a philosophy. How do you know? How dare you

00:29:43 imagine what your potential is? How dare you imagine what your potential is? We are living

00:29:51 bipedal meat guards of potential. Do you think when I was a kid, I'm like, "Wow, I've got

00:29:55 so much potential. Boy, I'm going to be a great communicator. I'm going to be a big

00:29:59 philosopher." I didn't think any of that. I think I thought that in my teens. And do

00:30:14 you know how much rejection I had to go through before I even started the show? And it's not

00:30:17 like the show has been an endless banquet of acceptance since then, right? You want

00:30:28 definitions without experience and you want definitions to avoid experience. How far do

00:30:32 you go in living for philosophy? How much do you sacrifice? Start with something. Start

00:30:39 small. No, no, no. I'm not going to sacrifice anything until I know exactly how much I'm

00:30:44 going to sacrifice. You don't know. How do you know that you won't end up loving the

00:30:56 sacrifice? How do you know? How do you know you won't end up loving the sacrifice? How

00:31:00 do you know? You don't know. Well, I could lose my job. How do you know that's not the

00:31:09 greatest thing that could happen to you? How do you know? When I first saw the deplatforming

00:31:20 stuff roll in, and I've been deplatformed from like, I don't know, 20 different places,

00:31:24 right? So when I saw the deplatforming stuff rolling in, what I said to myself was, "I

00:31:29 don't know if this is bad. I don't know if this is good or bad. I don't know if this

00:31:31 is good or bad." Because I didn't, I tried not to have, I mean it was a roller coaster

00:31:39 obviously, but I tried not to have the vanity to just say, "Well, I know how this is going

00:31:43 to play out over the next thousand years." Steph, I remember your original intro to philosophy

00:31:50 videos from years ago got me an A- on a university philosophy course. Hit the like button, it

00:31:55 only cost a calorie or two. Being dedicated to the spread of philosophy could mean just

00:32:00 being great parents for some people. Oh, Tim. No! I tend to get attacked whenever I bring

00:32:07 moral arguments. How do you know that's bad? How dare you? Imagine you know or I know what's

00:32:16 good or bad out of the pursuit of virtue. I tend to get attacked when I bring moral

00:32:22 arguments. That's your soul trying to heal itself. Because you're surrounded by corrupt

00:32:32 people who attack virtue. Oh, it's so bad that I'm getting attacked. No. No, it's not

00:32:37 bad that you're getting attacked. The only thing that's bad about it is you keep getting

00:32:41 attacked, which means you're not getting out of trash planet of reactive idiot amoral bipeds

00:32:49 who strike out with bladed tentacles at everything that tries to raise itself out of the swamp.

00:32:54 How fucking dare you or I imagine that we know the consequences of virtue, especially

00:33:03 virtue in the way that we're practicing it here. Okay, let me ask you this. I'm happy

00:33:14 to hear these arguments. I really am overjoyed to hear these arguments. Was deplatforming

00:33:28 good or bad for the show? Deplatforming leading to not doing politics, not doing interviews

00:33:34 with contemporary intellectuals and so on. Was deplatforming good or bad for the show?

00:33:39 Give me a G or give me a B. Honestly, just be as honest as you can. Did it get me back

00:33:55 to core philosophy? Did it get me back to writing novels? Did it get me back to more

00:34:00 call-in shows? Did it get me back to these kinds of intimate exchanges? Did it get me

00:34:04 back to laying the foundation of philosophy that's going to last the test of time? Can

00:34:20 you please define good or bad for us? Oh boy, you really do like definitions. You can't

00:34:24 rely on your instincts? I think that there's probably quite a few goods there and I think

00:34:32 some of those are genuine. I think some of those are like, "Well, I don't want Steph

00:34:34 to feel bad." Maybe, and I appreciate that. I'm not saying that's bad or anything. G,

00:34:38 good for quality and B, bad for spreading the message. Good, I think the future will

00:34:45 benefit more than the present, unfortunately for the present. I wrote the future in that

00:35:04 time, I wrote the present in that time. I'm writing peaceful parenting, which I wouldn't

00:35:08 have been able to do if I was still in politics and doing... I had to read sometimes three

00:35:12 to six books a week just to be able to interview people with some level of intelligence. I

00:35:16 had to do massive amounts of studying for current events and I had to set up interviews

00:35:20 with people and... Was de-platforming good or bad for the show? I don't honestly know.

00:35:40 I don't honestly know. De-platforming brought real truths to me, very important truths about

00:35:49 loyalty and friendship, companionship, support. More data is generally always good. And of

00:36:02 course, I assume that you prefer the show now to some degree because you're here post-de-blank.

00:36:08 It's been what, two and a half years since I was de-platformed. So post-de-platforming,

00:36:12 you're here, so there's a bit of a... It's not exactly a general audience. The people

00:36:15 who didn't think that de-platforming made the show better aren't here, right? So it's

00:36:21 hard to know for sure. The future is one of the best novels. Oh man, I was listening to

00:36:25 bits of that, I'm like, "Damn, this is so good." Good for us, bad for them.

00:36:37 So when you say, "Well, what are the consequences going to be of me being good?" How do you

00:36:41 know? I'll say that I think de-platforming of the show was good for me. I can't imagine

00:36:47 having this opportunity to talk directly to Steph back when he was getting millions of

00:36:50 views. I definitely enjoy the show more now. I appreciate that, but again, the people who

00:36:54 don't enjoy it aren't around, right? They're going to watch some political rant from Dan

00:37:00 Bongino or something like that, right? My general belief is that de-platforming was

00:37:07 a challenging transition, but de-platforming has made the show less relevant to the decaying

00:37:18 present, but more relevant to the fertile future. And if the Titanic of politics was

00:37:32 going down, de-platforming is jumping off and swimming to a lifeboat. Yeah, there's

00:37:36 more Steph to go around now, and I'm still doing the call-in shows. I mean, the whole

00:37:41 history of Philosopher's Series I'm incredibly proud of, and I'm so happy about that. I enjoyed

00:37:48 you dunking on all the silly people. You're so witty. LOL. It was great. Yeah. I mean,

00:37:53 no negative thing to Dan Bongino. He writes a good book, and he's very passionate about

00:37:56 what he does, and he survived lymphoma. But, you know, that's not my space anymore. Bad

00:38:08 for the average day people, because I don't think they're going to accidentally come across

00:38:11 an anti-circumcision show.

00:38:12 So, you say, "Well, you know, where I work, I can't bring up any philosophy because people

00:38:26 are just too woke." How do you know that leaving your job full of NPCs is good or bad? How

00:38:41 do you know? I'm not saying quit. I'm not saying stay. I don't know. Well, I can't say

00:38:47 this because it's going to be bad. How do you know? I thought it was good for the show

00:38:54 in that, at least for me, your words make more impact because by definition you paid

00:38:58 for it with your sacrifice. It can only build trust. Yes, well, I'm certainly not tempted

00:39:02 by a lot of offers to appear in people's movies anymore. I'm not drowning in those offers.

00:39:08 So, the idea that you can just be a good parent, a good peaceful parent, and that's

00:39:25 all you need to do to spread philosophy is not true. I know it's tempting. I'm going

00:39:31 to hoard it. I'm going to just live it for myself, right? But it's not true because you

00:39:37 can't just be a good parent and live peaceful parenting. Why? Because there are bad parents

00:39:43 around. So, what are you going to do? What are you going to do with the bad parents around?

00:39:51 They're around. They're everywhere you go. They might even be in your family or social

00:39:55 circle or church circle. The bad parents, violent parents, aggressive parents, abusive

00:39:58 parents, neglectful parents, workaholic parents, drunk parents, addict parents, you name it,

00:40:02 video game, ignoring kids, addict parents. So, what are you going to do? What are you

00:40:08 going to do, right? What are you going to do? You can't just peaceful parent on your

00:40:12 own because your kids need social life. If your kids need social life, you've got to

00:40:16 vet the families around you. And if you've got to vet the families around you, you're

00:40:20 spreading peaceful parenting. See what I mean? You can't just do it yourself. But many out

00:40:27 there will distrust a show that's been deplatformed. It's an animalian level reaction. Waiting

00:40:32 conformity. Sure. Absolutely. I don't know why it always makes me nervous. Spreading

00:40:42 virtue, living philosophy. See? How do you know it's making you nervous? Sorry, I'm just

00:40:50 going to be this annoying guy. How do you know? How do you know? How can you be so sure?

00:40:55 How do you know? Say, "Oh, I don't know why spreading philosophy or talking virtue or

00:40:59 philosophy always makes me nervous." You don't know that. "No, no, no, but I feel nervous."

00:41:02 Yes, but how do you know that it's you who is the source of the nervousness? Maybe, just

00:41:08 maybe, the people around you are really anxious when you bring up philosophy and you're feeling

00:41:15 their anxiety. Do you see what I mean? You don't know. I mean, maybe you do. Maybe you've

00:41:20 gone through all of this self-knowledge and you... How would you know without going through

00:41:24 a huge, deep and powerful confrontation with your false self? No, the bad parents? I don't

00:41:31 know. It always makes me nervous. The bad parents? Bad parents make you nervous? How

00:41:35 do you know? I know it doesn't interest you, but I would enjoy seeing you debate prominent

00:41:43 leftists. Would be great for the present and future. Would it? How do you know? How do

00:41:50 you know it would be great for the present and future? How do you know? I don't know.

00:41:55 I don't. Great show tonight. You're a blessing, Steph. These shows give me strength. Thank

00:42:00 you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Right now, I feel the barometer has set that

00:42:09 anyone so mainly on YouTube is viewed as part of the problem. I needed this. I appreciate

00:42:13 it. You know, we jump to conclusions to limit our own potential. I have never really been

00:42:25 fully comfortable with my own potential. I am uneasy at my own potential. I really am.

00:42:30 I have a complicated relationship with my own potential. The odds of me being a great

00:42:36 philosopher are lower than the odds of me winning the lottery five times in a row. If

00:42:42 there have been people who've won the lottery five times in a row, but I think we're unique

00:42:46 in this conversation in the quality of the philosophy that we go forward. Your political

00:42:52 insights were pure gold back in the day, but the time for conversation and politics went

00:42:55 out the window in 2020. I really appreciate the work you have pursued since then. In particular,

00:43:02 the future is my favorite work of fiction ever, and the Peaceful Parenting book is fantastic

00:43:06 so far. Thank you. I appreciate that.

00:43:08 Bad parents are spiteful and attack or undermine you and your family. Right. And what is the

00:43:21 solution when you have bad people in your environment who are spiteful and attack and

00:43:25 undermine you and your family? How do you know that's bad? And by bad, I don't mean

00:43:34 is it bad for spiteful people to attack and undermine your family? I'm not saying that.

00:43:42 But how do you know it's bad that they're doing it to you? Aren't they just telling

00:43:46 you that you're not in a safe environment and you need to live with integrity and virtue

00:43:51 and safety? You need to get away from people who are attacking you unjustly? It's not bad

00:44:02 that people didn't say like all the people whose careers I helped start because I was

00:44:05 an OG in this space, right? Was it bad that all the people after I was deplatformed didn't

00:44:10 immediately, "Oh man, we got to get you on this show. We got to make sure that we promote

00:44:15 you. We got to make sure that we'll create a funding thing to get you through this transition

00:44:21 as your income creators. We're going to circle the wagons. You've been a great guy. You've

00:44:25 got half our careers going." Was it bad that people didn't do that? I don't know. I know

00:44:33 it sounds ridiculous. I don't know. I don't know. Was it bad? Was it bad? I don't know.

00:44:46 I don't know if... I mean, I don't think it was great with regards to integrity from people,

00:44:52 but was it bad? I don't know. I don't know. Was it bad for people I helped get started

00:45:04 to join organizations that have been pretty nasty towards me? Well, okay. Was it bad?

00:45:12 I don't know. I don't know. It wasn't a violation of the non-aggression principle. People don't

00:45:18 owe me that. It wasn't a contract. Was it bad? I don't know. I don't know. They could

00:45:31 have saved my life, right? Getting a lot of death threats back in the day could have saved

00:45:35 my life. Maybe they understood the word... Sorry. Maybe they understood the world even

00:45:44 better than I did and were warning me away through inaction. I don't know, because I

00:45:49 can't go into the minds of other people, and I certainly can't go into their unconscious.

00:45:57 Maybe I was fired from a war that can't be won. And I was ambivalent about it even at

00:46:05 the time. I was like, "Wow, it would be nice if people really rallied around me, invited

00:46:10 me back in the fold, found some way to..." And some people did. The Christians did. Lord

00:46:14 bless them. The Christians did. But I also remember thinking at the time, "I'm ambivalent

00:46:22 about this. I'm ambivalent about this. I don't know that I want to go back if people barely

00:46:39 notice I'm gone." Do you see what I mean? And there's a relief being out of politics.

00:46:43 I'm not going to lie. I mean, I might as well open the kimono here. There's a relief being

00:46:48 out in politics. It's a dangerous game. It didn't used to be a dangerous game, but it's

00:46:51 become a really dangerous game. Maybe people were saying, "We're firing you from a war

00:47:05 you can't win." I'm truly baffled why other influencers didn't stick up for you or at

00:47:15 the very least do it based on principle. Well, we don't know. We don't know. But I'm not

00:47:22 going to condemn them because I don't know that they did anything bad. They may have

00:47:26 done things entirely right, entirely good, unconsciously or whatever. Maybe it was conscious

00:47:30 for them. But they're like, "No, no, no. You're going to get destroyed. You need to not be

00:47:37 here." It's just data. Now, maybe in 500 years, I don't know, whatever, they can judge these

00:47:50 things. But I honestly, I can't. And do you know why I can't judge? Because I'm a philosopher.

00:47:57 I know that sounds odd, but I can't judge cause and effect. I can't imagine motivations.

00:48:01 I can't see into people's unconscious. But that's why we need principles. We need principles

00:48:06 because we don't know the outcomes of things. And I refuse to judge something by its consequences.

00:48:11 You say, "I was addicted to politics. Now I barely watch the news." But there's occasionally

00:48:25 times when I'm sad about it. There's occasionally times where I feel a twinge of jealousy when

00:48:28 I see people striding confidently across the public square. But I can't judge the good

00:48:44 or bad. I can only judge based on principles. Now, "Ah, yes, no, but the people should have

00:48:53 stuck up for you more than..." I don't know. I don't know if they should have stuck up

00:48:55 for me more. I don't know. I do know that the uniformity, with few exceptions, I do

00:49:01 know that the uniformity of people not sticking up for me was wide enough that that was a

00:49:07 very, very important wide slice of information. Somebody says, "I was with a company with

00:49:35 a strong DEI. I was a top talent and known for excelling. Writing was on the wall. I

00:49:39 was not going forward. Excuse one after another killed my motivation. Quiet, quit for sure.

00:49:45 Now own my own entertainment business and realizing how effective I can be without the

00:49:49 drag of those big corporations. I'm building something fun and great. Best move ever."

00:49:52 I mean, would I be better off, would philosophy be better off, would the world be better off

00:50:02 if I had some multimillion dollar budget in the style of Stephen Crowder and I would get

00:50:11 up and go and spend 12 hours a day in a studio or out on the streets or, you know, surrounded

00:50:18 by a phalanx of security guards and so on? Would that be better for philosophy or not?

00:50:24 I don't know. I don't know. Philosophy and what's good or bad for it, I think, tends

00:50:30 to run on principle.

00:50:33 Now, my day today, just so you know, just so you understand, right? My daughter had

00:50:43 a homeschooling event and so she and my wife left to go and do that. I woke up, I wasn't

00:50:53 hungry so I didn't eat until, I don't know, mid-afternoon. But I woke up and I had a bunch

00:51:00 of questions that came in from locals so I spent an hour walking around answering those

00:51:06 questions and did some really, really great work.

00:51:13 Now in those moments when it feels like these ribbon streamers of a firework god are flowing

00:51:19 through my brain with Krakatoa-like eruption and laser-like precision, when every piece

00:51:26 of machinery in my mind is straining with great might towards one particular fertile

00:51:34 solution to a very challenging question, when I feel like I'm using not just 100% of my

00:51:39 brain but 300% of the universe, that's hard to beat, man. That's hard to beat.

00:51:55 And then I chatted with Jared and James for a while and then I exercised with my daughter

00:52:03 and then I went out to meet with some friends who are in town and we chatted for about two

00:52:12 hours and then I came in doing the show. I worked fairly hard on philosophy today and

00:52:24 I worked fairly hard on philosophy today in a way that would have been impossible in any

00:52:31 other environment.

00:52:36 I am drawn the most towards that which uses the most of my mind in the pursuit of virtue.

00:52:45 I'm not just drawn to it, it's what I dedicate myself towards. Now, as far as challenging

00:52:50 questions, recording, answering them, that will all last the test of time. Could I have

00:52:55 done better for philosophy than how I spent my day? I don't think so.

00:53:03 Thank you for your tip, I appreciate that. Somebody says, "I wish that when the time

00:53:05 comes I can be as brave as you were to face evil. You have sacrificed so much, thank you

00:53:09 for everything." I appreciate that and I of course have sacrificed a lot but I have gained

00:53:18 more than I ever imagined.

00:53:24 You know, there's something that Elia Kazan, the famous director of On the Waterfront,

00:53:29 and he's the guy who originally discovered Marlon Brando and cast him in A Streetcar

00:53:32 Named Desire. Tennessee Williams, the writer of A Streetcar Named Desire, Glass Menagerie,

00:53:43 Night of the Iguana, and lots of other plays. Tennessee Williams, and it's funny, it's so

00:53:47 strange, my mother had a book written by Tennessee Williams that was kind of autobiographical

00:53:50 and I started reading it. I remember there was kind of an ugly picture of him on the

00:53:53 back. I started reading it, it was about urine play with his boyfriend. I'm like, "Okay."

00:53:58 Nope, nope, nope, nope. Anyway, so Tennessee Williams, and I read his whole biography and

00:54:05 I was quite fascinated by Tennessee Williams, he was a very powerful playwright. But Tennessee

00:54:12 Williams had a lifelong fear of choking and then Tennessee Williams ended up choking to

00:54:16 death on a bottle cap. It was not a bottle cap, it was a cap of medicine, I think it

00:54:19 was like a pill bottle cap. He ended up choking to death on a pill bottle cap. And Elia Kazan,

00:54:27 who outlived Tennessee Williams, said, obviously it's a terrible way to go, but when he was

00:54:33 penning those immortal lines, sometimes they're God, so quick. "When he's so, I've always

00:54:40 relied upon, whoever you are, I've always relied upon the kindness of strangers." Penning

00:54:46 those immortal lines, the goose bumps and the electricity that would course through

00:54:50 his divine pen, so to speak, to create these immortal lines for these immortal characters,

00:54:56 you can't beat it. You can't beat that. Whatever activates the most of my brain, the most often,

00:55:08 in the deepest, most wide-reaching and most powerful way to communicate philosophy is

00:55:13 what I dedicate myself to. Now, if I had more employees, if I had some big studio, if I

00:55:19 had a multi-million dollar budget, would that engage my brain more in the spread of philosophy?

00:55:26 I don't think so. You know, I've tried to, you know, from a technical standpoint, I've

00:55:36 got a little USB mic, I've got a Zoom thing, it plugs directly in, I can turn it on and

00:55:42 just start speaking. I don't need a big setup, I don't need makeup, I don't need the suit,

00:55:48 I don't need, like I could just do it. What I'm doing is the maximum amount of philosophy

00:55:54 that can be done for me, because I know I can, you can hear it sometimes when I'm, like

00:56:00 I'm out of juice, like it's dying down within me, like a singer's voice gets tired, right?

00:56:07 When I'm engaging at maximum capacity in the clarity and communication of philosophy, to

00:56:15 do that to the maximum extent is the best that I can do for philosophy. Now, is that

00:56:22 the widest reach? No, no, but the widest reach would be less philosophy. I'm aware that in

00:56:37 the 20 odd years I have left on the planet, if I make it to, I mean, I'm probably, it's

00:56:41 probably 30, but you know, I'm banking on 20, I think I'll get to 77. In the 20 years

00:56:48 I have left, I mean, I started almost 20 years ago, I mean, in terms of public philosophy,

00:56:54 so I have copy-paste, right? Copy-paste. Control-C, Control-V, that's what I've got left. What

00:57:02 can produce the maximum amount of philosophy across the world for all time, as deep and

00:57:08 powerfully as I can do? Well, I think some novels will be great, and I've done those,

00:57:13 and people not pulling me back into the public square, setting up a funding, whatever, right?

00:57:23 Making sure people donate and helping me bridge the significant, well, massive loss of income

00:57:27 that de-platforming involves, people not doing that? They may have been serving philosophy

00:57:33 the most by not doing that. Maybe they're part of the whole machinery of philosophy

00:57:37 that's trying to heal the world. I'm not saying anything mystical, I'm just saying that there

00:57:41 is an unconscious thing that happens. Maybe people were releasing me from a distracting

00:57:47 war that was preventing me from spreading philosophy in the future. You're going to

00:57:54 live longer than 20 years. Well, I appreciate that, Anthony, but you can't give me any guarantees.

00:58:02 I think 77 is not a bad age. So, maybe people were saying, "Go do the deepest and most powerful

00:58:20 philosophy that you can, and stop analyzing current events, because the current events

00:58:25 are going to fall and fade with you, but the deep analysis of philosophy and humanity will

00:58:31 last forever." It's something that one of Shakespeare's contemporary playwrights said,

00:58:38 "Well, I'm for now, Shakespeare is forever. Shakespeare is for all time. I'm for now,

00:58:42 Shakespeare is for all time." So, this is what I mean when I say, "I don't know. Maybe

00:58:49 they were doing..." In the future, it's entirely possible. In fact, I would bet more on the

00:58:55 probability of this. In the future, they will say, "The best thing that ever happened to

00:59:00 that guy was getting out of politics. The best thing that ever happened to that guy,

00:59:03 and the best thing that ever happened to the present was deplatforming." Ron Paul is still

00:59:11 doing his show at 88. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. You have to exercise the muscle. Being

00:59:21 bumped out hard is a good test to pass. There's no question now whether you are committed,

00:59:26 and what part you are committed to. Well, I mean, it's a bit of a character test. I

00:59:32 mean, did you... Tell me... I mean, I'm not trying to get you to talk about me, but I'm

00:59:37 genuinely curious. How do you think I handled the deplatforming and the collapse of income

00:59:45 and all that kind of stuff? How do you think I handled that? Was there anything I could

00:59:50 have done better? Or how did it change, if it did, your opinion or perspective on me

00:59:58 and what I'm doing? Because maybe I gain credibility through going through that process, right?

01:00:06 Dave says, "I'm glad you're not in politics. It's silly." Now, politics is not silly. As

01:00:18 you well know, Plato ran for office, tried to get into politics, and we all know what

01:00:26 happened to him, right? Ended up being sold into slavery in Syracuse, almost vanished

01:00:33 from the history of philosophy, right? If it hadn't been for a passing student who bought

01:00:41 him for 400 denarii, that would be it, right? God, I'm glad you didn't bitch about it. Fair.

01:00:54 What are some topics you are considering for future documentaries? Civil War and American

01:00:59 Revolution are two big ones that I would be interested in. I've always been very interested

01:01:04 in the topic of the Spanish Revolution, but I think Jack Pasobic is taking that on. I'm

01:01:08 sure he'll do a great job. Vox Dei is incorrect about that. How it changed. Well, first of

01:01:27 all, there is some amount of energy or attention you put towards talking about the deplatforming

01:01:32 itself. Is that good or bad? I don't know, but frankly, some of your content goes to

01:01:35 that. I don't know what that means. Dave says, "I think you handled it well. You went on

01:01:38 shows to get yourself out there. That was resourceful, and now it's all about family,

01:01:42 relationships, growth, stopping and healing from child abuse. I think this is better."

01:01:45 And you're a computer guy, so this is ideal you had that background. I'm not sure I get

01:01:50 the last bit. "You handled it better than most of us would. So much easier to make excuses

01:01:53 for your change of position. It boosts your credibility for sure. Currently reading the

01:01:57 Fountainhead, some similarities there too." Yeah, this is my time in the quarry. "I'm

01:02:03 torn. Your work is now more focused, but loved your interactions with silly intranet people."

01:02:09 Because you enjoyed the comedy and the show. And there's nothing wrong with the comedy

01:02:14 and the show, but that's not philosophy. I mean, it's fun, it's engaging, it's entertaining,

01:02:20 but it's not philosophy. That's philosophy as spectator sport rather than philosophy

01:02:24 that you should be acting on, right? "You act on principle." And my principle was tell

01:02:36 the truth. Don't bend the truth for the sake of social acceptance. Don't bend the truth

01:02:41 in order to stay on platforms. Don't lie. Don't lie. And that was my principle. Now,

01:02:50 of course, I could say, "Well, but if I tell the truth, I'm going to get deplatformed,

01:02:54 therefore I won't tell the truth." But that's not philosophy. "You were a tech guy, now

01:03:10 you are your own tech. You were prepared to handle development of your own tech. I think

01:03:13 that's more than a coincidence. But I was handling the tech before. I don't understand

01:03:18 how deplatforming changed that." I'm just saying you act on principle, and you know,

01:03:27 you have your reasonable cautions. I get all of that, right? But you act on principle,

01:03:32 but you don't try and guess the outcomes of things. So if you say, "Well, I can't talk

01:03:35 about philosophy because I'm going to get fired." Well, that's philosophy telling you

01:03:39 you're probably in the wrong place in life. And that's philosophy telling you you probably

01:03:47 need to get into a place where you're not terrified and have to falsify your entire

01:03:51 existence in order to draw a paycheck. You gained credibility as a truth teller, not

01:03:58 to mention you bounced back well, which further shows the power of your philosophy. A lot

01:04:03 would have crumpled. A lot of people would have crumpled, I think. Maybe. I mean, Laura

01:04:10 Loomer was pretty hard canceled by just about everybody. "Deplatforming really revealed

01:04:21 who we were, the FDR community, unprepared, unorganized, etc. At least me and my community

01:04:26 were not able to work as a team to pull punches to keep you on platforms, talking to public

01:04:29 figures, protecting our own in-group, etc." Right, but how do you know that's a bad thing?

01:04:34 How do you know that's a bad thing? I don't have any objective proof that this isn't exactly

01:04:40 where I'm supposed to be for the betterment of philosophy. I don't know. Acting on principle

01:04:46 would get you martyred, history shows us. No, because if your principle is to do maximum

01:04:52 philosophy then you temper so that you can continue doing philosophy. You don't lie,

01:04:58 but you temper so that you can continue to do philosophy for as long as possible. So

01:05:02 no, I don't think that's the case. It's like saying running as fast as you humanly can

01:05:13 for your entire life would just get you injured. It's like, well no, but as you get older you

01:05:16 don't run as fast, right? You have to slow down, you have to stretch more, I mean, you

01:05:20 have to change it up, right? I don't, this is how, I mean, to me this is how I avoid

01:05:27 regret. It's like, okay, well, I have very much worked to focus on living on principle,

01:05:33 acting on principle, and this is where I've ended up acting on principle. If this is where

01:05:46 I've ended up acting on principle, how is it possible for me to say I'm in the wrong

01:05:58 place when I've acted with as much integrity as I can?

01:06:04 I do believe that you not joining Twitter will make it very difficult for people in

01:06:09 the future to try to discredit you. Also, the way you've lived your life with your family

01:06:12 is another great example. You made a connection there? Your argument, a lot of your argument,

01:06:21 and I understand this, there's no criticism, like a lot of your arguments is, well, I can't

01:06:25 do the right thing because of the negative consequences. Well, if you act on rational

01:06:35 principles, there are no fundamentally negative consequences.

01:06:44 Is, have I failed? No, because the only thing I was in control over was my integrity. I

01:06:55 wasn't in control of whether people de-platformed me, I wasn't in control of whether people

01:07:00 supported me, I wasn't in control of whether people followed me from old platforms to new

01:07:07 platforms. I wasn't in control of any of that. The only thing I was in control of was my

01:07:13 own integrity, my own commitment to doing the right thing as best and safely as I can.

01:07:19 How can I end up in the wrong place if I've done the right thing? And you're like, well,

01:07:41 if I do the right thing, I'm going to end up in the wrong place. I think that's the

01:07:44 wrong way to look at it. Personally, I mean, your life, right? I'm just telling you, for

01:07:48 me, that's the wrong way to look at it. If I do the right thing, how can I end up in

01:07:51 the wrong place? This is the consequence of me satisfying my conscience. They say, oh,

01:07:59 you could have done it better, you could have done it better. I'm telling you, it's my conscience

01:08:02 to satisfy, and I have great respect for my conscience, it knows a lot more than I do.

01:08:17 How can the consequences of moral actions be the wrong thing? How can the consequences

01:08:26 of doing the right thing and telling the truth be a disaster? It's not a disaster for your

01:08:33 soul, it's not a disaster for your conscience, it's not a disaster for the people who love

01:08:38 you and admire you, and it's not a disaster for the people you love and admire. I know

01:08:49 that some of you have criticisms, and I respect and appreciate that. I know that some of you

01:08:54 have criticisms about me going back on Twitter, or me doing politics, or me going back on

01:09:00 other people's shows, and so on, right? I get all of that, and I've always appreciated

01:09:03 it. I don't think I've ever gotten mad at anyone for giving me feedback. I mean, if

01:09:07 they haven't listened to my arguments, it can get a little annoying, but I'm very grateful

01:09:10 and happy that you guys have given me that feedback, and I really, really appreciate

01:09:16 that. But let me ask you this. Did your respect for me go up or down over the course of how

01:09:35 I handled deplatforming and the virtual erasure and all of the lies and falsehoods and danger

01:09:42 that I sort of had to navigate through? And some of it you know, and some of it you don't

01:09:45 know, and maybe on my deathbed I'll talk about the things you don't know, but some of the

01:09:49 things you don't know are even more significant than the things that you do know. Was it up

01:09:54 or down? I mean, again, I know it's a self-selecting audience, so the people who are still here

01:09:57 are probably the people who thought that I did a reasonably... reasonably did some reasonable

01:10:02 level of the right thing, but I'd imagine that doing the right thing and telling the

01:10:09 truth could lead to disastrous consequences if one was surrounded by evil, though perhaps

01:10:14 not having removed yourself from the evil would suggest that you hadn't done the right

01:10:17 thing, right? A lot of people will keep evil doers around in order to chase away the challenge

01:10:26 of integrity. You surround yourself with evil doers and then you say, "Well, I can't do

01:10:30 the right thing, it's too dangerous." Hey man! So you're using... not you... people

01:10:34 will use the proximity of evil doers so that they don't have to do the right thing. Okay,

01:10:42 so it's good, so I appreciate that you think that I did the right thing, your respect went

01:10:45 up. Okay, how important... I mean, let's be completely direct and honest. How important

01:10:51 do you think it is to me that you guys respect what I do? I ask you, how important... minus...

01:11:00 no, one to ten. Never going to be completely honest. One to ten, how important do you think

01:11:04 it is for me that you guys think I'm doing the right thing? How much of this is a partnership

01:11:12 or me just "doot-doot, here I am striding through, right, the world, Wonder Woman bracelets

01:11:18 and you guys, ooh, ah, ooh, ah." How important... one to ten, how important do you think it

01:11:27 is for me that you guys think I'm doing the right thing? It's more than five! It's more

01:11:34 than five. It's very important to me. Very important to me. How important is it to me?

01:11:45 Yes, it's very important to me that you guys think I'm doing the right thing. You know

01:11:51 this is a relationship, right? This is why I do the live streams, this is why I read

01:11:54 my email every day, it's why I look for messages and comments and get feedback. It's very important

01:12:00 to me that you guys think I'm doing the right thing because you are part of my conscience.

01:12:07 You know you have your inner staff who may be nagging at you, do this, do that. I have

01:12:11 inner audience, I have inner you. You are integral to me doing the right thing. Your

01:12:18 approval is very important. I'm not some Howard Rock figure, "Oh, you're completely independent."

01:12:22 That's a lie, that's a fiction character, right? Massively important. Now, you know,

01:12:27 of course it's more important to me that my wife and my daughter think I'm doing the right

01:12:29 thing but there's never really been a conflict about all of that. It's very important to

01:12:34 me that you guys think I'm doing the right thing. Why is it important what we think if

01:12:41 you are acting based on principle? It's a good question. Why is it important what we

01:12:50 think if I'm acting on principle? I'm putting it out there. Why do you guys think it's important

01:13:00 to me what you think? I have an inner staff for sure, glad to hear it's reciprocal. It

01:13:12 is, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Being part of staff's ecosystem has to be life-highlighted.

01:13:21 Yes, absolutely. For me, you're doing the right thing because you show as an example

01:13:26 in your life how to continually show how to be responsible for your life rather than be

01:13:29 a victim to it. I don't feel like a victim at all, feeling immensely privileged and powerful.

01:13:40 Sanity is a social construct because integrity is a conversation. Philosophy is a conversation,

01:13:50 integrity is a conversation. Do you think that I don't need you to help me do the right

01:13:58 thing? I do. I need you to help me do the right thing. Of course I respect you guys,

01:14:07 absolutely. Absolutely. I need you to help me do the right thing. I listened very deeply

01:14:17 to people's arguments about what I should be doing. And you guys make great arguments.

01:14:24 My wife's not a social media person so maybe the Twitter thing, you guys have better arguments,

01:14:28 right? There's a reason why I ask for all these questions on localsfreedomain.locals.com

01:14:42 because that generates great stuff within me. Well, if we don't respect what you're

01:14:55 saying, that's a reflection of whether or not you've done a good job of communicating

01:14:59 with us. I mean, I don't want you to think of me as a leader and I certainly don't want

01:15:09 you to think of me as an authority. I want you to think of me as a partner, as a conversation.

01:15:15 Like your words, your feedback mean everything to me. Now, look, I mean we're not talking

01:15:20 UPB violations. If you guys said go strangle a hobo, I'm not going to go strangle a hobo,

01:15:23 but you're not telling me to do that. But as far as how do you navigate the complex

01:15:29 multi-dimensional variable gravity, headwaters and whitewater lava chaos of getting philosophy

01:15:37 out in a world without gatekeepers but with giant blowback, how the fuck do I do that?

01:15:44 I don't know. I don't know. I need you guys to help me. Or I'd like you guys to help me.

01:15:52 And you have. You really have. And I appreciate that. I do. And I hope I've done you proud

01:15:59 with the feedback that you've given me and the responses that you've given me. The clarity

01:16:06 that you've given me. You guys are essential. Essential. I read everything. I absorb everything.

01:16:18 If we don't respect you, we're less likely to send you money. I don't know what that

01:16:21 means. I'm not talking about you respecting us. Sorry, I mean, maybe that was a little

01:16:27 bit earlier back, but I'm talking about my need for and respect for you. It's never been

01:16:34 a solo gig. I mean, I'm the only one in the studio. It's never been a solo gig. Do you

01:16:38 know how much better I am when I'm prompted? I mean, listen, when was the last time I just

01:16:44 did some solo show completely on my own with an entirely self-generated topic? Those go

01:16:48 into books, right? I did the novels, the present and the future. I did a piece. I'm doing peaceful

01:16:53 parenting at the moment. So all of that stuff, that's self-generated. But as far as like,

01:16:58 when was the last time I just, here's my argument, here's my idea, here's my show. It's a conversation.

01:17:12 Somebody asked Freddie Mercury what his favorite instrument was. Do you know what he said?

01:17:16 What was Freddie Mercury's favorite instrument? I mean, he's a singer, he played guitar. He

01:17:21 actually came up with the original guitar riff for Ogre Battle. He came up with the

01:17:25 original guitar riff for Crazy Little Thing Called Love. So he played guitar a little

01:17:31 bit. He played some, he played a very good pianist. What? When somebody said, what's

01:17:38 your favorite, and of course, great singer and played multiple instruments. When somebody

01:17:42 said to him, what's your favorite instrument? What did he say? Not voice. The audience.

01:17:50 That's right. The audience. The audience. As he said, he said, I can only sing as well

01:18:02 as the audience wants me to. And that's true. That's true. I mean, you're part of it, like

01:18:13 it or not. You're part of it, like, I mean, even if just listening to this, right? As

01:18:19 an actor, you'll be able to speak to the difference it makes in one's performance when you can

01:18:23 feel that the audience doesn't have energy. Oh yeah, yeah. When you're acting or giving

01:18:27 speeches to a bunch of wet fish or whatever, it's very tough, right? When the audience

01:18:30 is really engaged and enthusiastic, it just makes everything better. Everything. I don't

01:18:44 think anyone loves Queen more than you do. The Sunday matinee audience versus the Saturday

01:18:54 denied audience. Yeah, to some degree. Some degree. So yeah, we're engaged in a dance.

01:19:01 I've always said when I do public speaking or when I did public speaking, I was always

01:19:04 engaged in a sort of ballet or a dance with the audience, right? Leading them somewhere

01:19:09 they resist, I've got to go back, make sure everyone's staying with us. And right. It's

01:19:15 a big, big challenge, big complication. So I would try to avoid saying, I can't do this

01:19:25 because of negative consequences. I mean, the negative consequences are important, but

01:19:29 that's no argument as to why you shouldn't do things. I mean, if I hadn't taken on certain

01:19:35 topics, I would be held in contempt by the future. I've got the question. I'll get to

01:19:45 it. So if I hadn't taken on certain topics, we all know what they are. I would have been

01:19:51 held in contempt by the future. Now, does it matter if I'm held in contempt by the future?

01:20:00 It does. It really does matter if I'm held in contempt by the future, because if I'm

01:20:04 held by the contempt of the future, they won't read the philosophy. They won't care about

01:20:09 UPP. They won't care about peaceful parenting. I won't have any credibility because in the

01:20:14 future, everything that is hidden now will be absolute common sense and taken for granted.

01:20:18 And everybody who's avoiding these challenging topics will be held in great contempt. I mean,

01:20:24 I'm aware of that. We're aware of that, right? Yeah, everybody knows that. Everybody knows

01:20:28 that. That all the stuff that's so edgy and volatile now will just be accepted as facts

01:20:35 in the future. And going back 500 years to now, when they'll know exactly what was going

01:20:44 wrong in our society, in 100 years, 500, whenever, whenever they're going to, right, everything

01:20:49 that's forbidden becomes accepted. Everything that is verboten becomes natural. Everything

01:20:56 that is forbidden becomes how on earth could people not believe or understand this? I mean,

01:21:04 the example, of course, if I took, but before it's washing hands before you operate on someone,

01:21:08 that was like insane, crazy. The guy who developed it or was enthusiastic about it or tried to

01:21:14 spread it, got his license taken away, ended up being beaten to death by an orderly in

01:21:22 an insane asylum where somebody put him because he was so crazy, right? Freud, failed children,

01:21:27 as I talked about in New York at a Night for Freedom many years ago. Yeah, future anger

01:21:33 at having trained AI incorrectly. Yeah, for sure. There's too much profit. Like politics

01:21:39 is a way of turning lies into profit, right? So there's too much profit in lies. And so

01:21:45 people would just lie as a, lies are like this infinite crop that provides people resources,

01:21:50 right? The lies are like the truth is a coolie that you send into a mine to die with a canary

01:21:57 in his hand so that you can strip mine, lies for profit. So everything in the future that

01:22:04 I talked about that was so crazy and upsetting and insane and hateful and like, it'll just

01:22:10 be, no, it's true, right? How many people are, is it, is it crazy to wash your hands

01:22:14 now before you operate on someone? No, of course, right? So everything that I talked

01:22:23 about was based on science, reason, evidence, facts, and arguments. They will be accepted

01:22:30 in the future. And everyone who avoided those topics will be blindingly obvious and people

01:22:34 will be like, because they don't live in the sort of heat and stress of the moment. So

01:22:38 in the future, in the future, they'll look back at everyone who knew these topics and

01:22:48 avoided these topics. And they'll be like, gross. I mean, how do you think about, how

01:23:00 do you think about the people who oppose the end of slavery? How do you think about the

01:23:03 people who wanted to maintain the stranglehold of economic death that the medieval guilds

01:23:09 had over the tradesmen and artisans? How do you feel about those who resisted the end

01:23:15 of serfdom and the liberation of the half slaves of the field? How do you feel about

01:23:24 people who resisted the idea that you should wash your hands before you stick them in somebody's

01:23:29 generates? You look at those people and it's like, how insane and evil were those people

01:23:35 who opposed the progress that was necessary for society to gain peace? I mean, everybody's

01:23:43 looking like so many people in the public square and public sphere. They're like, well,

01:23:51 I need approval now. I need approval now. People can't be that mad at me now. They're

01:23:59 like, oh, that's terrible. It's awful. It's the worst thing for people to be that mad

01:24:02 at me now. It's like, but everything we have is the result of people handling being castigated

01:24:09 and attacked. And what's that line from Henry Ford, the car manufacturer? Of course, Henry

01:24:17 Ford said, if I'd asked people for what they wanted, they'd have said, we want faster horses.

01:24:37 You said something you've said before, which I'm having trouble with. At 158.44, if you

01:24:43 stay, you don't get to criticize. If you stay, you give up fundamental criticisms. That's

01:24:47 just the deal. So how then are we to best deal with a perceived abuse that has occurred

01:24:53 in a relationship? My thinking, the process of criticizing in a relationship should be

01:24:57 primarily about wanting to heal the relationship and thereby elevate it to a higher level.

01:25:01 And without the ability to criticize a major interpersonal tool is removed. Perhaps this

01:25:06 is semantics and the perceived meaning of the word criticize is central to this. My

01:25:11 question, oh, um, yeah, like the stream, donations, of course, are very, very important. Fundamental

01:25:23 criticism. All right. Personal abuse that has occurred in a relationship. Give me an

01:25:34 example of what you perceive as a perceived abuse. What do you think of? What is a perceived

01:25:39 abuse that has occurred in a relationship? What is that? Is it cheating? Is it screaming

01:25:54 insults? Is it, what is it, 14 drinks a week makes you an alcoholic? It is being an alcoholic.

01:26:00 Like what is it that is a perceived abuse that has occurred? Disrespect? I don't know

01:26:13 what that means really. I'm not sure what that means to disrespect. Give me an action.

01:26:23 I don't really know what to, lying to a partner. But lying has so many different degrees, right?

01:26:31 I mean, we can all think of things like, um, my wife and I wanted to go and buy a birthday

01:26:37 present for my daughter. So we said, we're going out for lunch, just the two of us. And

01:26:41 we did go out for lunch and then we bought the birthday present. We lied to my daughter,

01:26:44 right? So, yeah, sorry, I don't mean to like create exceptions, but somebody who actively

01:26:49 tries to mess with someone's mind, manipulation, passive aggression, ignoring your spouse,

01:26:54 stonewalling. Okay, good, good, helpful. I appreciate that. Not taking care of their

01:27:04 children. All right. Let's pick one. Pick one. Spilling secrets, telling other things

01:27:21 confided in secret. Oh no, no, that's, uh, that's totally fine. Sometimes. Yeah, that's

01:27:26 totally fine. Sometimes. That's totally fine. If a husband says, uh, don't tell my wife,

01:27:33 but I cheated on her. It's like, I'm not keeping that secret. Oh, thanks. Making fun of them

01:27:38 or otherwise belittling them in front of others. Not staying true to promises made to one another.

01:27:43 Withdrawal from sex, withdrawal from discussion, hiding in the closet, lying, stoning, stonewalling.

01:27:52 Silent treatment, withholding affection. All right. And where, okay, let's, let's just

01:28:01 say stonewalling, right? So just storming around, slamming cupboard doors, saying there's

01:28:08 nothing wrong, not providing any affection. You know, there's a problem, but she's torturing

01:28:11 you by withholding any kind of affection or honesty or communication. We'll go with that

01:28:15 one. Are we okay with that? Hit me with a why if you're okay with, we call it stonewalling,

01:28:19 right? That seems to be quite a common one that people are having issue with. So I want

01:28:22 to make sure that we're dealing with what's actually going on. Putting a partner on blast

01:28:30 of a social media for not being a mind reader and not doing things exactly as they would

01:28:33 do it. Okay. All right. Let's just go with stonewalling, right? We'll call the woman

01:28:40 Jackson. Stonewall Jackson. So stonewalling. All right. So stonewalling. Now, for how many

01:28:47 months, how many years has the person been in the relationship? I assume we're going

01:28:52 to go with years here, right? So in the relationship, so clearly if somebody's like stonewalling

01:29:00 on the first date, you don't go on with the relationship, right? We're okay with that?

01:29:05 We don't keep going on, right? So how many years into the, and you can say months if

01:29:13 you want, six months, a year, or just let me know whether it's, don't just give me a

01:29:16 number of seven months, months or years, M for months, of course, Y for years. How long

01:29:21 into the relationship is this behavior happening? Because that's what I want to know, right?

01:29:30 Sorry, it's kind of redundant me asking for something and saying, that's what I want to

01:29:34 know. It's so redundant, I could say it twice. Redundant. So how long into the relationship

01:29:47 are we talking here? Five years of marriage, 10 years of marriage, six months of dating.

01:29:51 What is it? A couple of years, all right? A year. What else? Feed me, tell me. So how

01:30:12 long into it is it starting? Or like it started at the beginning and it's continuing? Well,

01:30:19 it has to not be at the beginning, otherwise you want it, right? If a woman stonewalls

01:30:26 you on the first date and you keep dating her, it's because you want the stonewalling.

01:30:31 I'm sorry, I know this is kind of tautological, right? Whatever you do is what you want to

01:30:35 do, right? But if a woman is stonewalling you and manipulating you and withholding affection

01:30:41 on the first date and you keep dating her and you date her for years and you get engaged

01:30:45 and you get married and you have kids, that's what you want. So how the fuck are you supposed

01:30:49 to be complaining about something you actively pursued and wanted and chose? Because you're

01:30:55 not a victim. You can't have any complaints about something that you actively knew about

01:30:59 and pursued and chose. It's praxeological. Yeah, I mean, it's empiricism. How do we know?

01:31:07 This is the bullshit. So what do you mean to? It's like, I can only judge by what you did.

01:31:11 I can only judge you by what you did. I cannot read your mind. And you can make up whatever

01:31:15 bullshit you want. I cannot judge you by what you say. I can only judge you by what you

01:31:20 did. All right, so a year, 1.5 years or whatever. Okay. So let's say she doesn't stonewall for

01:31:33 18 months. She doesn't stonewall for 18 months. She's totally emotionally available, totally

01:31:38 blah, blah, blah. She's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. And then at 18 months, she just

01:31:42 starts stonewalling. Is that what, I mean, is this, I don't want to create an artificial

01:31:49 scenario that you can discard. Is that a fair scenario for us to work with? That she's great

01:32:00 for 18 months and then she starts stonewalling? Just hit me with a why if that's a reasonable

01:32:07 place to start. Not possible. Okay. Yes. Some people say not possible. Some people say yes,

01:32:25 that's a reasonable place to start. No, I'm trying to make a scenario that works, right?

01:32:29 I'm not trying to trap anyone. I'm not trying to trick anyone. I'm like genuinely trying

01:32:32 to make a scenario that works, right? Yes. Okay. So 18 months in, she's been great. She

01:32:45 hasn't stonewalled. And then 18 months in, she just starts stonewalling, right? Sure.

01:32:55 I imagine it would subtly ramp up though. Okay. Fine. She starts stonewalling, I said,

01:33:02 right? She would have done that within 18 months. I've never met a person like that.

01:33:09 So if she has the capacity to provide consistent affection for 18 months, then why, and she

01:33:17 gets the benefit of that. There's pair bonding. It's real. It's honest. It's direct. You've

01:33:22 got trust. You've got, so you've got 18 months of pair bonding here, right? No, no, I want

01:33:30 to make the scenario. We can say it's outlandish that she's, I don't know, gets hit on the

01:33:34 head with a railway spike or something and suddenly she's manipulative. So you've got

01:33:37 18 months and she starts stonewalling, right? Now, she's got 18 months of pair bonding with

01:33:50 you. She starts stonewalling and you say, that's not acceptable to me, right? I can't

01:33:56 be in a relationship where somebody withholds affection in order to manipulate. Now, of

01:34:01 course she would say, well, so you want me to fake being affectionate with you? If I

01:34:04 don't feel affectionate, you want me to just manufacture and make it up? That's kind of

01:34:07 weird, right? I mean, I can't make myself feel something, right? So you would say that

01:34:17 behavior is unacceptable to me, right? And is it fair to say that stonewalling, hit me

01:34:24 with a why, is stonewalling a deal breaker in a relationship? Is that, before you're

01:34:31 married, before you have kids, right? 18 months in, she starts stonewalling you and she won't

01:34:37 stop. Is that a deal breaker? She won't listen. She won't reason about it. She won't go to

01:34:46 couples therapy. She won't read any books. She won't do a call in with me. You just won't

01:34:51 do it. Is that a deal breaker? I would first question what changed. No, I get all of that.

01:34:57 You tell what changed or what's going on and maybe she's just going through a lot of stress.

01:35:01 Maybe her mother's sick. It could be any number of things, right? Yes. Okay. So that's a deal

01:35:06 breaker, right? So she starts stonewalling at 18 months and you say, our relationship

01:35:15 is based on emotional openness and intimacy. You haven't stonewalled before. I don't find

01:35:19 that particularly great in a relationship. Let's talk about it. And she's like, no, I

01:35:23 don't want to talk about it. No, I'm just going to keep stonewalling you. I'm committed

01:35:26 to this. Too bad. It's over. Right? All right. So you break up. I mean, do I have that wrong?

01:35:37 You said it was a deal breaker. She's not going to change. So you break up, right? I'm

01:35:42 not saying you can never have standards in a relationship, but you can't abuse her. Right?

01:35:52 I mean, if your favorite restaurant and you love French food changes to something you

01:35:57 don't like, like, I don't know, I don't like Korean, oh no, Vietnamese soup pots or whatever

01:36:04 it is, right? So if my favorite French restaurant changes to some Vietnamese restaurant and

01:36:13 I don't like Vietnamese food, I don't go to the restaurant. Do I get to go in and scream

01:36:19 at the Vietnamese people? How dare you get rid of my favorite French restaurant, you

01:36:24 bastards, and then flip a bunch of tables. I have preferences in this scenario. I like

01:36:32 French food, not Vietnamese food. French food turns into Vietnamese restaurant, I stop going.

01:36:36 I break up with the restaurant. Does it make sense? Fo, that's it. Yeah, thank you. B5.

01:36:47 I feel we leapfrogged over the criticism step. We certainly did not. You were just not paying

01:36:51 attention because I said you would say, I don't like the stonewalling. That's a deal

01:36:54 breaker for me. We didn't have stonewalling. What's going on? Let's try and work it out.

01:36:59 But she won't listen. She won't work it out. She keeps stonewalling. Then you break up

01:37:01 with her. That is, bringing up the stonewalling itself would be viewed as a criticism. It

01:37:07 is a criticism. It is a criticism. Right? So let's get back to the original comment.

01:37:21 I'm having trouble at 158.54 and how can I save my boy? Posted on 12.12. My quote is,

01:37:26 if you stay, you don't get to criticize. If you stay, you give up fundamental criticisms.

01:37:30 That's just the deal. No, criticism is fine. If you stay, you give up fundamental criticisms.

01:37:41 You can say, I'm not staying in a real, I don't like the stonewalling. I think it's

01:37:45 manipulative. I think it's bad. I think it's destructive. I think it's harmful and I don't

01:37:49 like it and I'm not going to be in a relationship where emotion gets turned off to punish me

01:37:54 if I do something wrong. I'm not going to be like a Pavlovian dog that's beneath the

01:38:00 dignity of true love. Right? You can absolutely say that. What's the phrase? If you stay,

01:38:08 that's the phrase. Now, if she says, if she's like great for 18 months and then she starts

01:38:16 stonewalling and you say, I don't like stonewalling and then she's like, well, I'm going to keep

01:38:19 stonewalling and you stay, then you've accepted the stonewalling. How can you criticize something

01:38:28 that you have accepted? Right? I don't speak out of my armpit, right? I'm pretty precise

01:38:36 in what it is that I say. I don't love spicy stuff. If my favorite diner suddenly becomes

01:38:43 only spicy stuff, my agreement to be a customer is broken when they stopped serving the food

01:38:46 I came there for. Yeah, for sure. You don't have abusive. You say, Hey, can I get some

01:38:50 non spicy food? Then I like, no, we're only doing spicy food. It's like, okay, then I'm

01:38:54 not here. I'm not going to stay. I'm not going to come at this restaurant, but you get to

01:38:58 keep going back to the restaurant. That's only serving the spicy food you hate and yelling

01:39:01 at them about the spicy food. That's crazy. Am I wrong? Tell me if I'm help me. If I'm

01:39:07 wrong, I would love to hear it. Honestly, I genuinely would love to hear it. Do you

01:39:15 get to keep going back to the food that's now spicy, but you don't want to eat and yell

01:39:20 at them for serving spicy food when they've already told you they're not going to stop

01:39:24 serving spicy food? If they say we serve only spicy food and then you stay and you order

01:39:36 and you keep going back and you keep ordering and you keep going back and you keep ordering,

01:39:39 you get to say, I hate the spicy food. Maybe you like the feeling of helplessness, but

01:39:47 you don't like being single even more than you don't like the abuse evidently. Right?

01:39:53 If you stay at the restaurant that says we only doing spicy food and you pay for the

01:39:57 meal and you keep going back and you keep paying for the meal, you don't get to criticize

01:40:01 the spicy food because you're going back and voluntarily eating it over and over and over

01:40:05 again and paying for it. Right? The only chance of having a possible future would be to set

01:40:12 the boundary. She'd never respect you otherwise, or would you respect yourself because you'd

01:40:16 be accepting what you don't want? What about the people who feel they wasted their time

01:40:21 dealing with the person who changed? I don't understand that. So to split hairs here a

01:40:25 bit, is it correct to say that some initial criticism is okay, but sustained criticism

01:40:29 about the same thing isn't? Okay. Come on guys, guys, I don't mean to sound impatient,

01:40:36 but two people love each other. One person is doing something that bothers the other

01:40:43 person. Right? So let's say it's Bob and Jane. They love each other. They respect each other.

01:40:48 They care for each other. Jane is doing something that bothers Bob fairly significantly. Right?

01:40:55 And Bob says to Jane, "It's really upsetting and bothers me a lot when you do this." Right?

01:41:01 What is Jane going to do? She loves and cares for him. She respects him. What's Jane going

01:41:05 to do? What's she going to do? What's she going to do? She's going to change. She's

01:41:31 going to change. She's going to stop doing it, or she's going to try and figure out why

01:41:34 she's doing it or whatever it is. Right? So instead of a restaurant, let's say that Bob

01:41:37 relies on Jane and Bob has some stomach issue and he can't eat gluten. Right? And Jane makes

01:41:45 food for him. And he's like, "Look, I'm really sorry, honey, but I mean, I got the stomach

01:41:48 issue. I can't eat gluten for a while." She's going to make stuff without gluten. Right?

01:41:53 Yeah, she'd try and figure out with him what's wrong. She's not going to want to displease

01:41:59 Bob because she loves Bob. My wife asked me to jump. I say, "How high?" "Well, she's not

01:42:06 going to ask me to jump off a cliff." If something I'm doing is bothering my wife or my daughter,

01:42:12 I will change it because I care about them. I don't want them to be bothered by what I'm

01:42:15 doing. And that's why I said, "Oh, it's the pair bond." So she starts stonewalling and

01:42:22 you say, "Man, it really makes me unhappy when you stonewall. I don't know. I can't

01:42:27 solve the problems and I feel alienated and distant." She's going to be like, "Oh, damn.

01:42:32 I don't want you to feel alienated and distant and weird, so I'll stop doing whatever is

01:42:35 really bothering you." That's a healthy relationship because we all do stuff that shaves each other

01:42:42 sometimes. Right? We all do stuff that bothers each other sometimes. So you listen. And well,

01:42:49 first of all, you just try not to get bothered by minor things. Talk and change to figure

01:42:55 out what is the problem and work it out. Yeah, because you've got a pair bond. Does my wife

01:43:00 criticize me from time to time? Yes, she does. It's not common, but it happens and she's

01:43:04 right to do so. And I always want her to be able to do so because I want to please her.

01:43:08 Because I love her. I want to please her. So if I'm doing something that's displeasing

01:43:13 to her, I will work to change it because I want her to be happy and I trust her. Does

01:43:17 that make sense? It's not a power trip. It's just you want to please people that you love.

01:43:22 Right? You want them to be happy. You want them to enjoy their relationship with you.

01:43:25 And if I'm doing something that's interfering with other people's enjoyment of their relationship

01:43:29 with me and I care about them, I'll change that. Right? Does it make sense?

01:43:41 Let me know if this makes any sense. Maybe you're a sadomasochist, but odds are very

01:43:46 unlikely. Okay, so let's say you're a masochist and you want to be in a relationship where

01:43:51 the woman's feeding you gluten when it makes you sick, or you want to go to a restaurant

01:43:54 that's spicy and kills your throat. You're just a masochist. Okay, well you're still

01:43:57 getting what you want. So if your girlfriend of 18 months develops a stonewalling habit

01:44:06 and you say, "I don't like the stonewalling," she's going to be like, "Oh, geez, I didn't

01:44:11 even realize. I'm so sorry. I can understand that." Or even if I can't understand that,

01:44:15 that's what you prefer. So I'll stop stonewalling. I'll work and I'll figure it out. I'll do

01:44:19 this. Right? Because she cares about you. Okay, I know this makes sense. Okay. So when

01:44:26 I said, "If you stay, you don't get to criticize. If you stay, you give up fundamental criticisms.

01:44:31 That's just the deal." Of course. Because if your wife serves you spicy food and you

01:44:37 don't like spicy food, like whatever reason you got hit on the head or you just don't

01:44:42 like spicy food anymore, you've outgrown spicy, you don't want spicy food, you don't like

01:44:45 spicy food. Okay. So your girlfriend is making food that's too spicy for you. And you say,

01:44:52 "Oh, I used to love this stuff. I don't know why it burns." She'll be like, "Oh, okay.

01:44:56 Sorry. I mean, I don't want you to be uncomfortable when I make you food, so I'll cook you less

01:45:00 spicy food." My wife's a vegetarian. She learned how to cook meat because I like meat.

01:45:06 In return, I'll do something nice in 10 or 20 years. No, I'm kidding. Right? So we accommodate

01:45:11 each other because we care about each other. Now, if your girlfriend makes food that's

01:45:19 too spicy for you and you say, "This is too spicy. I can't eat it." And she keeps making

01:45:23 it, and she doesn't care that it burns your throat, and she doesn't care that you don't

01:45:26 like it, then if you stay, you can't complain. "Oh, she's so selfish. She never makes the

01:45:32 food I want." No, but you're there because that's what you want.

01:45:39 If you have a malevolent person in your life, there's no criticism you can give them that's

01:45:44 greater than the fact that you have a malevolent person in your life that you're keeping around.

01:45:48 If you've got a criticism of a malevolent person, look in the fucking mirror and say,

01:45:52 "Why do I have this malevolent person in my life?" Instead of criticizing them, look in

01:45:57 the mirror and try and figure out why you need this person in your life, or why do you

01:46:02 want this person in your life, why are you putting up with it? Why do you pursue it?

01:46:05 Why do you want it? Why do you screw it? Why do you pay for it? Why? "Oh, I've got to focus

01:46:11 on changing the other person." No, change yourself as to why you would even want that.

01:46:15 "Yeah, she can add spice to her dish and leave it out of the whole meal." Absolutely.

01:46:25 There's no criticism you can have of a dysfunctional person that's more powerful, more deep, and

01:46:31 more relevant than the criticism you should have for yourself for having that person in

01:46:35 your life.

01:46:40 Another great analogy. "I feel like I'm coming up from deep beneath the ocean's surface with

01:46:43 no air, finally gasping in some fresh air and kicking and flailing as if I'm about to

01:46:47 get dragged back down." Don't get dragged back down. Stay on the air. Stay with the air.

01:46:53 Don't say stay on the surface because we're deep, baby. We're deep.

01:47:07 So when I say if you stay, you don't get to criticize. If you stay, you give up fundamental

01:47:10 criticisms. That's just the deal. You can criticize someone. You can say, "I want something

01:47:14 to change. This food is too spicy. I don't like it when you do this. I don't like it

01:47:17 when you do that," or whatever. When you get up early before me in the morning, you make

01:47:21 too much noise in the bathroom. It disturbs me. It wakes me up. I was up late. It kind

01:47:25 of bothers me. "Oh, I'm so sorry. I'll aim to be more quiet," and all that kind of stuff,

01:47:30 right?

01:47:31 Yeah, that's right. But if she keeps making noise and you tell her it wakes you up and

01:47:34 she keeps making noise and you stay, well, you can't criticize her because you're Jews

01:47:41 again. I don't want to over-explain it because I'm sure it's fairly clear, but how do we

01:47:50 best deal with the perceived abuse that has occurred in a relationship? So abuse is someone

01:47:56 who causes you reasonable and legitimate discomfort and won't change. If you want to go to Chinese

01:48:08 and your wife doesn't want to go to Chinese, that's not abuse, right? But if your wife

01:48:15 keeps making you caffeinated coffee when you're asking for decaf, right? Great insight. Mind

01:48:21 blown. Good, good. I'm glad. So a beer, even at two hours, yeah. Oh, well, whatever it

01:48:27 is. There it is. Thank you, Sony. Right. Battery exhausted is also what happens when you stay

01:48:33 in the relationship. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So yeah, we're almost done here. "30 years

01:48:37 of marriage and here's a heavy snorer. Either get it looked at or sleep in separate rooms

01:48:41 like my parents. They did not break up. Accommodation is the name of the game." That is so true.

01:48:45 That is absolutely right. That is absolutely right. Now snoring can develop later. It also,

01:48:50 yeah, you can get sinus issues, things you can get. You can lose weight. You can, there's

01:48:54 lots of things you can do about snoring. But yeah, sleep in separate rooms. You don't just

01:48:59 get to bitch at someone for snoring. Snoring is a little different because it's involuntary.

01:49:02 I mean, unless there's obvious things you can do like losing weight and so on. But I

01:49:09 don't have sympathy and I won't play into sympathy with this. When people fundamentally

01:49:14 complain about someone they're choosing to stay with. Like I won't do it. I won't do

01:49:19 it. It's wrong to do that. Because I respect people. I respect their choices. Say, "Ah,

01:49:27 this person is terrible." Okay, then you want terrible. Otherwise you wouldn't be with them,

01:49:33 right? I mean, I'm not gay, so I never sleep with men. I don't have sex with men. I don't

01:49:41 kiss men. I'm not gay. So I'm not going to date a woman and complain she's not a man,

01:49:49 right? So, you know, if I wanted a man, I'd get a man. If I was gay, right? If I want

01:49:53 a woman, I'd get a woman. I just, I respect people's choice. And I'm not going to go down

01:49:58 this nonsense path of people making choices and then saying, "That's not my choice. I'm

01:50:04 not responsible for my choice. I've got to complain about the other person endlessly."

01:50:07 It's like, no, you want to complain. You want to complain. You want to complain. You want

01:50:13 to complain. So who am I to say, I mean, I don't think it's healthy. I don't think it's

01:50:18 right. But it's literally like somebody saying, "Well, I dated this guy. I dated this guy.

01:50:26 He's a sadomasochist and he wants to beat me with a whip before we have sex or during

01:50:31 sex or whatever, right? And this has been going on for 10 years. I'm completely incensed

01:50:35 and enraged. And I'm constantly yelling at him that he shouldn't do that." Right? Yeah.

01:50:40 Kids and pets have no option to walk out. They get my sympathy, mine too. So would you,

01:50:48 would you say if somebody says, "My girlfriend or my husband or my wife, they keep beating

01:50:54 me up during sex. And they've said this from the very beginning. And they said, this is

01:50:57 what they want. And I got married and like, I just can't believe it. It's so terrible."

01:51:01 And you'd be like, "But you want that?" "No, I don't want that." It's like, "You do?" Like

01:51:08 people who choose stuff and then say they don't want it. I don't understand. Like, I

01:51:14 mean, I know this sounds kind of like, I just don't understand that. I genuinely don't understand

01:51:18 why it is that people choose stuff and then say they don't want it. I don't understand

01:51:23 it. Like, especially dating is not forced on you. I mean, parents, yeah, they, you know,

01:51:28 by accident. Right? So if you don't want a guy who beats you during sex, then don't date

01:51:35 and marry a guy and have sex with a guy who beats you during sex. Like, I don't know what

01:51:39 just like, it's almost embarrassing to have to point this out. You know, if some guy spends

01:51:47 a year looking for just the right car, goes out and gets, I don't know, a 78 BMW that's

01:51:53 exactly what he wants, gets home, keeps it and drives it and then yells at it for not

01:51:57 being a Volkswagen every day. That's crazy. Whatever you pursue, whatever you accept is

01:52:06 what you want. And I would just assume that, like you understand that for a lot of people,

01:52:15 I mean, this is kind of weird, but I really believe it's true. For a lot of people complaining

01:52:19 is a turn on. Complaining is a fetish. I'm so hard done by victimhood is a fetish. I

01:52:25 mean, human beings can turn a fetish out of anything. Pineapple salad is somebody's fucking

01:52:28 fuckable fetish for all I know. Right? But human beings can turn fetishes out of just

01:52:32 about anything. And for a lot of people in particular, for women, complaining is a fetish.

01:52:37 They just, they like to complain. It turns them on. It makes them feel like a victim.

01:52:42 It makes them feel sexy. And it's like, okay, so if you want to complain and that's sex

01:52:48 for you, I mean, it's not how I would want to conduct my sex life, but my wife likes

01:52:55 to talk on the phone during sex. She calls me all the time. It's funny. What is it? There

01:52:59 was that one thing in the motel, there's the cuck chair, right? She's my better half. Yes,

01:53:04 that's a masochism fetish. And she's got a dominance fetish. She's got a dominatrix fetish

01:53:09 where she's got to be superior to the man. I mean, a lot of what goes on in romantic

01:53:15 relationships, I don't think it's particularly romantic. It's just a sexual fetish. Right?

01:53:21 You know, the makeup sex, like couples who fight and then they have this makeup sex.

01:53:24 Okay, so you've got a fetish for half angry makeup sex. Okay, well, I'm not, I don't think

01:53:31 it's healthy. I don't think it's wise. I don't think it's good, but you know, I'm not going

01:53:36 to burn myself into a cinder trying to oppose your fetish. Victimhood would excuse you only

01:53:42 if it were valid. But who's a victim as an adult? I mean, in personal relationships,

01:53:47 right? I mean, in the West, right? I mean, you're not married off in Pakistan to your

01:53:52 third cousin at the age of 12. Sympathy, sympathy, sympathy. Absolutely. Right. But as an adult,

01:53:56 I mean, I'm talking to adult men and women in the West. Usually if I'm complaining about

01:54:03 something, I'm actually angry about something else deeper that I'm more afraid of talking

01:54:06 about. No, I, I, this is a fundamental principle. I just give people self-ownership. It's just

01:54:10 so much easier. It's just so much easier. I just give people self-ownership. I just

01:54:16 accept that they, they own themselves, right? They own themselves. They own themselves and

01:54:31 so they're responsible for what they choose. And right. Like, why would I, why would I

01:54:38 want to interfere with somebody's self-ownership, right? That is kind of bright, isn't it? Let

01:54:42 me just tone down that brightness a smidge. Maybe not that much. Maybe not that much.

01:54:46 Sorry. I don't want to give everybody some sort of migraine. My apologies. Yeah. I mean,

01:54:54 if, if like the hot girls, right? So, man, I talked to this guy and he was having sex

01:55:00 with this woman. He had sex with her for a year because she had multiple personalities

01:55:04 and he found it very sexy. I guess exciting, right? She's crazy. She's sexy. It's exciting.

01:55:08 Okay. So you got a fetish for crazy girls. And I said that to him directly. You got a

01:55:10 fetish for crazy girls. If you don't like being beaten and are physically unable to

01:55:16 leave them, then that is a crime, not a choice. What do you mean physically unable to leave

01:55:21 them? I'm not sure what you mean. Like they've got you locked in the basement once? Kidnapping.

01:55:27 Of course that's a crime. It's a forcible confinement, unlawful confinement. Yeah, that's

01:55:30 a crime. So, but we're not talking about, I mean, I don't talk to people who are locked

01:55:37 in the basement. If they're locked in the basement, I tell them that if they can make

01:55:39 a phone call, they can leave. Right? If they make a phone call, I tell them, if somebody

01:55:44 said, Hey, Steph, I need a call in, I'm locked in this guy's basement and he keeps beating

01:55:48 me up. I'm like, why are you calling me? Call 911. You got a phone. So you are, um, uh,

01:56:01 Bo Omega, you are making up nonsense, right? Because we're not talking about anything to

01:56:05 do with that. If people will listen to your victim story, you get an out and they get

01:56:10 the same escape hatch. Oh yeah. I mean, people own themselves and they own the effects of

01:56:15 their actions. And one of the effects of their actions is being in a relationship. I hate

01:56:19 my job. So I'm going to change your job. I mean, I, I, complaining to me is, is pretending

01:56:30 that you don't own yourself. Well, you possessed? No. Then you own yourself. You're just responsible

01:56:34 for your choices. Well, I don't want what I have. Well, you do. Praxeologically, you

01:56:39 want what you have because that's what you have. Assuming that you chose it as an adult.

01:56:44 Right. So yeah, I mean, I, I stand by what I said and I appreciate you bringing it up

01:56:51 and I hope that this sort of explanation makes sense. But, uh, there's a lot of women, a

01:56:57 lot of women get turned on by complaining. It's just part of foreplay. It's part of a

01:57:00 sex thing. Nagging, complaining, bitching, feeling like a victim. It just makes them

01:57:04 feel sexy. I don't get it. But you know, there's a lot about human sexuality that is both incomprehensible

01:57:11 and actually quite repulsive to me. So, uh, I've heard someone say people stay with other

01:57:17 people who yell name, call and or abuse them because they do that too. You think that is

01:57:22 valid? No. I mean, that can be people who play the victim more and people who play the

01:57:25 aggressor more, but people, people, uh, the, the major reason that people stay with people

01:57:31 who are verbally abusive is because it was normalized for them in childhood. And that's

01:57:36 what they think a family is. And if they were to say, I don't want verbal abuse, they would

01:57:41 have to confront their parents and they don't want to do that because of childhood. And

01:57:45 it would be suicide to confront abusive parents as a child, or it would be dangerous to the

01:57:50 point of suicide. So they don't want to confront their parents. And so, because they don't

01:57:55 want to confront their parents, they normalize the verbal abuse because they normal, normalize

01:57:59 the verbal abuse. People verbally abuse them in general. They accept it. They handle it.

01:58:02 They right. Absorb it. They, they think it's normal. They, right. They don't think anything's

01:58:06 better and that's just the way things are. So it is, uh, comes out of parental stuff

01:58:10 and I have sympathy for the parental stuff for sure. But if you choose to be abused in

01:58:15 a romantic relationship because you don't want to confront your parents, I'm going to

01:58:19 respect your choice. How do you know complaining is a sexual fetish? I didn't say always, I

01:58:25 just said there's some. How do I know complaining is a sexual fetish? Well, that's pretty easy.

01:58:31 The reason I know that complaining is a sexual fetish for some people is because it occurs

01:58:35 most in a sexual relationship. Right? So if you do something constantly in a sexual relationship

01:58:41 and it's only confined to that sexual relationship, it would be in the nature of a fetish. Make

01:58:48 sense? I can't hear what you're saying over what you're doing. Yeah, I don't, I don't

01:58:52 really care what people say that much. I mean, I just, I'm an empiricist, right? I don't

01:58:57 particularly care what people say. I mean, I think it's interesting and I like hearing

01:59:00 what they have to say, but of course in any choice between what they say and what they

01:59:05 do, I mean, there's no, there's no question which is the truth. There's no question which

01:59:10 is the truth. All right. Are we close enough here? It's Christmas time for the philosopher.

01:59:20 Just pointing out what someone who would be a victim, unlike people complaining online,

01:59:24 sorry if it's a ridiculous extreme. What? Just pointing out what someone would be a

01:59:28 victim would be a victim, unlike people. Sorry, I don't know what that means. Something that's

01:59:34 coming up for me about this still is the hope for a partner to have personal growth during

01:59:38 the relationship. And that if I gently complain about something repeatedly, that it'll magically

01:59:42 coincide with some growth they've had and the complaint will work. Right? So everybody

01:59:48 has this moment, there's a real honeymoon period for the first little bit of dating.

01:59:51 And then everyone has this moment where you want something to change in your partner.

01:59:53 Of course. I mean, we all want things to change, maybe valid, maybe invalid, maybe right, maybe

01:59:57 wrong. I don't know, but we want things to change in our partner for sure. And you see

02:00:00 how they deal with you wanting something to change and they see how you deal with them

02:00:03 wanting something to change. Right? So if they don't listen to you and with respect

02:00:14 and try to reasonably accommodate your reasonable requests, and if they just like, well, no,

02:00:18 you just deal with it, right? This is the way I am. Okay, well, then everything that

02:00:22 comes after that is not victimhood. Right? So, I mean, and let's say you don't ever criticize

02:00:28 your partner because you don't want to upset them. It's like, okay, well, then you're choosing

02:00:31 to silence yourself. Right? Hey, Steph, how would you bring the topic of circumcision

02:00:36 to someone who is about to have a son? Oh, you can send them my presentation, The Truth

02:00:40 About Circumcision. You can also send them articles that the circumcised baby's brain

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02:01:41 Yes, the show number is 2453. The Truth About Circumcision. FDR podcast is the place to

02:01:48 go. You can just do search for circumcision. I also did a show with a guy who lost almost

02:01:52 all of his penis function on a botched circumcision and his life is pretty much wrecked as far

02:01:57 as all of that goes and can't be fixed. Can't be, right? It can be pretty brutal about that.

02:02:02 It's a very great risk, very grave risk. And people don't care that much. I mean, when

02:02:08 the government stopped paying for circumcisions and it was 400 bucks for a circumcision, people

02:02:13 were like, nah, like most people just stopped doing it. So it's really, really sad. All

02:02:18 right. Any last tips? Any last feedback? If you want to call in, call in at freedomain.com.

02:02:26 Just send me your Skype address and we'll work it out from there. Call in at freedomain.com,

02:02:32 that's f-e-d-a-l-l-i-n. Friend is having twin boys and I need to send this to him. Yes.

02:02:38 The other thing you can say is that you need to judge by the ethics of 20 years from now,

02:02:44 because when your kids get to be adults and the ethics of 20 years from now will not be

02:02:47 that circumcision is okay. Circumcision is on its way out. It will not be the circumcision

02:02:52 is okay. And the other thing too, once he has this information, once your friend has

02:02:58 this information, he can't circumcise. He can't circumcise. Because then he can't say

02:03:07 I didn't know. He can't say I didn't know. So once he has this information, once you've

02:03:11 sent it to him, he can't circumcise. You can just tell him that. Like you can't do it now

02:03:14 because now you know exactly how harmful and dangerous and bad it is. So you can't do it.

02:03:18 You can't, because if your kids come to me and we're friends, your kids come to me and

02:03:21 say, my God, I was circumcised. It was so bad. It's like, yeah, I tried to stop him.

02:03:24 I sent him all the information. I gave him all the data, all the studies, all the facts.

02:03:28 One of the most charismatic people on the planet gave him a whole presentation on it

02:03:31 and boom, he went ahead and did it. Right. So have no defense. Have no defense at all.

02:03:37 Great show. Have a wonderful weekend, everyone. Thank you, bobfreedomain.com/donate. Thank

02:03:40 you for posting the link. I would never have thought of complaining as a sexual fetish

02:03:44 for women. Explained some of the behavior of single moms. Well, it's not just a sexual

02:03:48 fetish for women, my friend. A lot of men like complaining as well. And it turns them

02:03:52 on. Thanks very much for your answer, Steph. I'm very glad for it. I'm glad it was helpful.

02:03:56 And I really do appreciate your question. It was a great one to bring up. And if of

02:04:03 course you're listening to this later, it's a Christmas season. And if you could help

02:04:07 out the show, freedomain.com/donate and don't forget to check out all of the amazing, amazing

02:04:12 stuff. That is, oh, you have two boys, both are not circumcised. We've watched the video

02:04:17 change their mind. Beautiful. I really appreciate that. That's wonderful to hear Marie. I thank

02:04:23 you so much for listening. And I'm very glad that your beautiful boys got to keep a third

02:04:27 of their penis skin and that they weren't introduced to the planet in that horrifying

02:04:32 way. So, all right. Thanks everyone so much. Have yourself a gorgeous, wonderful, delightful,

02:04:35 delicious evening. We will see you all this weekend. And I'm not sure I'll be able to

02:04:41 do a show next Wednesday because it's around my daughter's birthday, but I'll keep you

02:04:45 posted about that. Take care, everyone. Bye.

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