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00:00 Happy holidays everyone and welcome to the Big Ten show presented by the Believe Network.
00:05 He is Nebraska Cornhusker legend Adam Karriker and also former NFL defensive lineman Adam
00:11 Karriker all in the same and I am Tom Hanifin from Believe's State of State, a Penn State
00:15 football podcast.
00:17 We are getting set for more bowl games this weekend but we're also on the heels Adam of
00:21 a lot of stuff going on with National Signing Day this past Wednesday and of course the
00:25 Transfer Portal.
00:27 So much activity, I know a lot with your Nebraska Cornhuskers that you want to get to but the
00:31 Big Ten in regard to National Signing Day and the Transfer Portal, it's been a hot button
00:37 issue and especially seeing the movement on all these rosters.
00:42 What are you seeing?
00:43 Hold on, real quick, real quick.
00:44 I told you I was going to have you do this.
00:45 I'm not cool enough but give everyone a thumbs up Tom.
00:48 A little thumbs up.
00:49 I don't know if it's going to show up on camera.
00:50 It's not going to do it now.
00:51 Oh, the little, oh.
00:52 The confetti, there's the confetti.
00:53 Oh, there we go Tom.
00:54 That's been time for nothing.
00:55 That's been time for New Year's.
00:58 We're ready for New Year's here on the Big Ten.
01:00 That's awesome.
01:01 That's awesome.
01:02 No, so when you look at the top 20 recruiting classes in the country, half of them belong
01:06 to the SEC Conference, okay?
01:08 And then six of the top 20 classes belong to Big Ten teams and then you've got Notre
01:13 Dame who just does whatever the heck they want to do.
01:15 Zero Big Twelves, zero any other conference, okay, as far as top 20 recruiting classes
01:20 and the rankings and things of that nature which I do take with a grain of salt but you
01:24 need talent acquisition.
01:25 So my question for you Tom is simply this.
01:27 Is the SEC and the Big Ten, I mean we already kind of knew this but are they already just
01:32 taking over college football like the only other real power five conference, oh I forgot,
01:38 I forgot, the ACC does have three teams.
01:40 Sorry, I forgot about the ACC.
01:42 No disrespect ACC.
01:43 Okay, but like the Big Twelve has zero.
01:46 Like there's really probably going to be two major conferences going forward.
01:50 Is the ACC and the Big Twelve even going to be able to compete at all?
01:54 And I find it very interesting the proposition put out there by NCAA President Charlie Baker
01:58 very recently about having an NIL/Trust Fund subdivision of FBS and that those teams are
02:05 able to compete separately.
02:07 It kind of feels like we've had that for years, it's just not been official.
02:11 You have what the SEC has been able to do, galvanizing whole states with their teams
02:16 and then meanwhile the Big Ten taking a different model and trying to go after specific TV markets
02:21 like dominating Los Angeles, going after the Pacific Northwest the way they have with USC,
02:27 UCLA, Washington, Oregon.
02:29 I think it's just a matter of time that those two conferences either start to break off
02:34 entirely melding together, I don't know.
02:37 The SEC has the most power it seems like right now and honestly if you're a player being
02:43 recruited right now, it's the SEC first, the Big Ten second and it's everybody else after
02:49 that.
02:50 I think the Big Ten and the Big Twelve really got hurt by Texas and Oklahoma departing.
02:53 What they have left is good, it's not great, you know what I mean?
02:57 And then the ACC, it's very top heavy with what Florida State and potentially Miami could
03:02 be, they had a great class.
03:03 But I don't know, it just feels like it's moving this way inevitably.
03:08 How do you feel?
03:10 I don't even think the ACC is going to be around in three years.
03:13 I think Florida State's gone, I think Clemson and Miami are going to want to follow.
03:17 I already know that the SEC and the Big Ten are talking to Virginia and North Carolina.
03:21 Sorry, Duke, I haven't heard the rumors about you, could be wrong.
03:24 But I don't even think the ACC is going to be around.
03:26 I think it's going to be SEC, Big Ten.
03:29 I do think, especially if the Big Ten could get Florida State, now you're Piscataway to
03:33 LA to Florida, if they can get them, they're a national brand so that might help them catch
03:37 up to the SEC a little bit.
03:40 But I do think it's going to be Big Ten, SEC and then that third conference, just because
03:44 all these other teams that are not Oregon State and Washington State who weren't even
03:48 cool enough to go to the Big 12, everyone else is going to look for a place to go and
03:51 it's going to be the Big 12.
03:52 Just by de facto matter, they want somewhere to go.
03:56 And so I think it's going to be those three conferences, but really Big Ten, SEC.
04:00 I'm already missing the Pac-12, the ACC, which used to be good at basketball, isn't even
04:04 going to be around that much longer, I don't think.
04:06 I mean, what do you think?
04:07 Do you think it's going to be those three with the real power, too?
04:10 I loved the model that Chip Kelly from UCLA threw out there is saying, why do we have
04:16 to change the conference alignments for every sport when football is the big moneymaker?
04:22 You can move things around with one sport.
04:24 Hell, you mentioned Notre Dame.
04:25 They're in the ACC in basketball, independent in football.
04:28 So what's the problem with doing that just across the board?
04:31 I like the idea thrown out there by former Penn State offensive lineman John Urschel
04:35 of having the relegation concept that exists in the English Premier League for soccer and
04:40 giving incentive for every game of the year.
04:43 You move up, you move down.
04:44 Power fives, group five.
04:45 Yes, I love that.
04:46 Like, let's add some stakes to this freaking thing.
04:49 Yes.
04:50 Now, if you're like, you know, three and six and you got three games to go, let's say two
04:55 and seven, you're not going to make a bowl game, you still have a reason to play because
04:58 if you're one of the two or three worst teams, now you get dropped down.
05:01 And then the two or three best teams from, let's say, group of five or whatever, get
05:05 popped up.
05:06 I love that soccer model.
05:08 Now, real quick, Notre Dame.
05:10 OK, I always make the joke they get to have their cake and eat it, too, even though their
05:14 ice scene isn't even that good anymore.
05:15 OK, that's how I like to phrase it.
05:17 Should they have to join a frickin conference?
05:19 Also, I think they're going to have to because all these conferences are going to make so
05:22 much money.
05:24 They're going to end up being on the outside looking in.
05:25 But what say you?
05:26 I envy Notre Dame because they get to do whatever they want.
05:30 They get the benefit of the doubt.
05:31 They get put in the top ten because of brand notoriety seemingly every year.
05:36 Everybody was freaking out about Sam Hartman being the starting quarterback and what they
05:39 did against Navy over in Ireland to start off the season.
05:42 And then we found out within a few weeks that they were pretenders and not contenders.
05:46 I envy them because they get to be independent and they can do whatever they want.
05:51 They can make their schedule very diverse.
05:53 I think that's something that's missing because we get so bogged down in, oh, you only played
05:58 your conference and Michigan strength of schedule.
06:00 They played a week non-con and a week conference schedule.
06:03 It's like, great, let's mix it up.
06:05 Play teams from the Mountain West, play teams from the SEC.
06:08 That's the benefit Notre Dame has.
06:10 I still don't have to like Notre Dame and that's, you know, those two things can exist
06:14 at the same time.
06:15 Thumbs up on that one.
06:17 Thumbs up on that one.
06:19 Thank you all so much for joining us here on the Big Ten Show.
06:21 We are going to be joined here next by Fox Sports, Rob Stone, to get his thoughts on
06:27 what in the world is going on with the Michigan Wolverines, the Ohio State Buckeyes.
06:32 Sorry to all the rest of the Big Ten fans out there, but also what this means for the
06:36 remainder of the Big Ten going into 2024.
06:40 And we're all big wrestling fans.
06:41 We might talk a little wrestling.
06:43 That's next on the Big Ten Show.
06:45 Joining us now on the Big Ten Show from Fox Sports, he is Rob Stone.
06:49 Rob, first of all, happy holidays and happy new year.
06:52 How are things on your side of the country right now?
06:56 Do you want the honest assessment?
06:57 I want the honest.
06:58 Always.
06:59 Always.
07:00 All right.
07:01 Well, the honest assessment is I have four teenagers.
07:02 All of them are in high school and all of them are going through finals this week.
07:06 So I had to get, I can't even talk to my humans.
07:09 I have to get my phone out and text them like, hey, I'm doing a interview today at 8 a.m.
07:15 Pacific.
07:16 Can you please be respectful and not play music, not yell, not scream about laundry
07:20 that was or wasn't done.
07:22 Worry about a certain final, a carpool, a ride.
07:25 So somewhere just over there and up there is all kinds of chaos brewing.
07:30 But right here is good.
07:32 We just get to talk Big Ten.
07:34 It's a happy place.
07:35 It's a very happy place.
07:36 I love a couple of things.
07:37 I love that you called them your humans, first of all.
07:40 OK, second of all, I have six kids.
07:42 All right.
07:43 Now, only one's not a competition, Adam.
07:45 No, no, no, no, no.
07:46 Oh, well, if there's any more coming, there's going to be a doctor getting an unhappy visit
07:49 from me.
07:50 There's not a competition I'm trying to win.
07:52 I've only got one teenager, but at a certain point in my life in the near future, I'm going
07:56 to have a senior, a junior, a freshman, two seventh graders and a fifth grader.
08:00 So I'm not where you're at, but I know what's coming my way, my friend.
08:04 So I kind of sort of get it.
08:05 It's yeah, I'll prepare you the best I can, but you're still going to get a back of the
08:11 head and have no idea what's coming.
08:13 Well, Rob, as you mentioned, we're here to talk about all things Big Ten football.
08:17 There's so much happening with the bowl season, of course.
08:20 National signing day this past week, transfer portals opening the coaching carousel.
08:24 It's just outrageous.
08:25 But yourself and the rest of the Fox Big Noon kickoff team had so many opportunities this
08:30 year to cover.
08:31 Arguably, I don't even know it's arguable.
08:32 The biggest story in college football is what's going on with the Michigan Wolverines.
08:37 There were some more allegations that came out this past week.
08:40 Level two infraction to a level one infraction dating back to freaking covid.
08:45 It's it just continues.
08:46 So is this a witch hunt or is this warranted by the NCAA?
08:50 Well, I don't know.
08:51 I don't I don't have the facts in front of me, but I have always been a guy as my dog
08:57 is chiming in over there.
08:59 She's what's that, Callie?
09:00 You're not a Michigan fan.
09:02 All right.
09:03 Well, you keep your bias over there.
09:05 You know, for me, I've always been a where there's smoke, there's fire type guy.
09:09 So this is this is this is calmness in my house.
09:14 This is honest.
09:16 So I would be worried if I was a Michigan fan and a Michigan supporter that that the
09:19 NCAA sharks kind of keep smelling blood and keep circling around.
09:25 You know, and then you guys know there's so many different levels of infractions and what
09:28 really matters or what doesn't.
09:29 But I forget what the what the exact quote was out there.
09:32 But it was basically like this wasn't for a cheeseburger, right?
09:35 Something like that.
09:36 So the news that came out yesterday is not as troubling as what may still lurk out there
09:44 in regards to, you know, what exactly happened and why Jim Harbaugh ultimately accepted that
09:52 three game suspension this year.
09:54 It's crazy.
09:55 It's crazy to think.
09:57 And even if you talk to Michigan, hardcore, you know, Mays and Blue fans that their head
10:01 coach missed six games this season, a season that very well could go down as one of the
10:07 greatest on the field football seasons ever in in the illustrious history of Michigan
10:11 football.
10:12 Their head coach missed six games for two separate incidents, if you will.
10:17 So if I was Michigan, I'd be worried about it, about what might be coming down the road.
10:24 I don't know when that road is going to happen.
10:27 Obviously nobody does because Jim Harbaugh could be in a plane and get a suspension,
10:31 right?
10:32 That's the way it happened when they flew to Penn State.
10:34 But I hope that doesn't take away from what they've been able to do on the field, because
10:38 this collection of young men, these student athletes have really put together an amazing
10:42 season that Michigan faithful should be extremely proud of.
10:46 And we were questioning how good they were this season because the front part of their
10:50 schedule was, we'll use their term, manageable, right?
10:54 Yeah, it was manageable.
10:56 And then business picked up, but they took care of their business.
11:00 And they were able to use, I feel, that chip on their shoulder to kind of motivate them
11:04 through this sludginess that was out there.
11:08 Now that they've had this long break, I don't know if there's going to be that carryover
11:14 effect, right?
11:15 Like when it's week to week and you guys are in the fight of it and Harbaugh's taking these
11:19 shots and the program's taking these shots, it's easy, I think, to rally the troops and
11:24 find that extra level when you're at Penn State or you're at Maryland or you're taking
11:28 on Ohio State or the Big Ten Championship game.
11:31 I'm curious what this layoff has done for them.
11:35 I think if anything, if I was Michigan, I probably want to just keep playing, right?
11:38 Because everything that they had was going so well.
11:41 And I like them.
11:42 I know there's a lot of people out there who don't think that they're going to get by Alabama.
11:45 I think they would have loved to have had Florida State instead of Alabama, but I actually
11:49 believe in this Michigan team and I think they're going to get themselves to that championship
11:52 game this year.
11:53 Yeah, it's interesting.
11:54 You talk about basically the bookend suspensions, the beginning of the year, the end of the
11:59 year, what this season could mean for Michigan fans if they do go on to win it all.
12:04 Could be an all-time season.
12:06 But I'm going to ask, I'm not going to get to any of that just yet.
12:08 I'm going to ask, well, first of all, you took care of your humans but not quite your
12:11 dogs, but that's what I love about it.
12:13 It's raw, ladies and gentlemen.
12:14 We're having fun.
12:15 But here's my question.
12:16 It's not about the upcoming playoff game just yet.
12:19 I want to ask about that next.
12:20 But Jim Harbaugh, let's say, okay, a bunch of these sanctions come down, a bunch of these
12:25 things come down on the university.
12:26 It's going to take time.
12:28 We know that, but maybe he sees the writing on the wall, so to speak.
12:31 Do you think he's going to be Michigan's head coach next year or two years from now?
12:36 Or is it much easier to go to the NFL where he knows he can find a very, very good job?
12:40 Right.
12:41 And obviously, he's been courted by the NFL in the past, and there's going to be these
12:45 openings and he's had success at the NFL.
12:47 I think that's the big thing, that these NFL owners will look and say, "Oh, this guy has
12:51 done it.
12:52 I'm willing to overlook maybe some of these college infractions," because guess what?
12:56 That stuff doesn't happen in the NFL.
12:57 Yes, there's NFL infractions and rules and whatnot.
13:01 If you would ask me this question and if you would ask the big noon kickoff guys this question,
13:06 say two, three, four weeks ago, I think they all would have said across the board, "He's
13:11 gone.
13:12 He doesn't need this.
13:13 He's got opportunities."
13:15 If you look at his timeline through his coaching career, he kind of ... I wouldn't say he wears
13:22 out his welcome.
13:23 It just, it kind of expires and it needs to go on to the next and it goes on to the next.
13:27 I think that's just kind of the human being that he is or how he coaches or how he handles
13:31 things.
13:32 I think there's issues he had in San Francisco with those in the front office, but it always
13:37 feels like there's kind of this timeline with Harbaugh where it's X years and it's time
13:41 to go on to the next and X years and it's time to go on to the next.
13:44 We're clearly at that X year window, if you ask me, where it might be time for that new
13:48 challenge.
13:49 But there's part of me that just knows and hears and feels his passion for his university.
13:57 This one is a little bit different.
13:58 It's not leaving Stanford or leaving San Diego.
14:01 This is his school that he has essentially kind of resurrected.
14:05 Remember, just a ... It was three years ago, three and a half years ago, we were saying
14:09 he's out because he's out.
14:11 Not because he has other opportunity.
14:13 He's out because he's not getting it done at Michigan and now he's got them to this
14:16 elite level year after year after year.
14:20 I think he's more of a collegiate guy, if you ask me, where he's wearing the cleats
14:26 and he's got the gloves in the back pocket to catch some warmups.
14:28 The whole thing just reeks of college and building young men.
14:35 We all know how tricky it is to go from college to NFL.
14:39 It's two completely different jobs.
14:41 I feel more than ever actually that I think he's going to stay.
14:45 I think he feels like this is home and this is what I want to do.
14:49 But then it's a big but, the winds that are swirling around him, I don't know if he could
14:57 take another suspension and still be looked at as honorably as a lot of people try to
15:04 view him at Michigan.
15:07 That would be the tough one.
15:08 I mean, there's definitely, Adam, that opening out there of, "Let me get out before I'm swept
15:13 out.
15:14 And let me take a great, cushy job."
15:15 And he'll have his pick of NFL openings at a lot of these places if he wants it.
15:21 I don't think Chicago's one of them.
15:24 I just think his back history with the people that are in play there in Chicago doesn't
15:28 quite fit.
15:29 But I think there's some other opportunities out there that are going to be really hard
15:32 to turn around.
15:33 But in the end, I think he's a Michigan guy through and through and stays in Ann Arbor.
15:37 One of the reasons they have so much momentum, obviously, three straight wins against Ohio
15:41 State.
15:42 And just a few weeks ago, with the transfer portal opening up, Rob, it seemed like there
15:45 might be a mass exodus underneath Ryan Day there in Columbus.
15:49 And now they go into National Signing Day and they sign a hell of a recruiting class.
15:53 So it seems like Ohio State is reloading again for next season.
15:57 Starting quarterback is a question.
15:59 In terms of Ohio State's place in the-
16:00 Is a question.
16:01 You're calling it just a question.
16:04 I think it's the biggest question in college football out there right now.
16:08 I agree with you.
16:09 I don't know what they're going to do.
16:10 I mean, McCord leaving for Syracuse.
16:13 Listen, I spent four years of my life in upstate New York, but let's be honest, there's Ohio
16:19 State and then there's Syracuse.
16:20 You can't see my hand anymore.
16:21 Right.
16:22 I mean, that is a big drop off.
16:25 I never felt like Ohio State was enamored with McCord long term.
16:31 I think they were always kind of hoping that there would be a better fit for who they are
16:37 going forward.
16:38 And to McCord's credit, he fought through it.
16:41 That late interception in Ann Arbor, I think kind of sealed his fate.
16:46 But I think he could have looked back on that winning drive at Notre Dame and saying, "Wait
16:50 a second.
16:51 Maybe he does have it."
16:52 But I think he was just too much of a pocket type passer.
16:55 Didn't have enough legs to get him out where they always just wanted somebody else, which
17:01 will be fascinating to me who that somebody else is going to be because they got to figure
17:04 that out ASAP because they have two NFL ready receivers that haven't yet really said what
17:10 they're doing, which to me is remarkable.
17:14 And who knows, it could happen while we're having this discussion right now with Ibuka
17:17 and Harrison.
17:20 But you can also hear the relief in Ryan Day when he got the number one overall wide receiver.
17:26 I think there is this building pressure.
17:29 In Columbus, there's always pressure having lost three straight to Michigan.
17:33 Trying to figure out who your quarterback is after you're losing people who committed
17:36 to you and then you through Georgia and then leave Georgia.
17:41 It's a little sloppier and I thought it would have been resolved weeks ago and yet we're
17:45 still sitting here saying, "Who really is the Ohio State quarterback of the future?"
17:50 And that's a big question for a lot of elite level wide receivers out there.
17:55 You talk about Ryan Day's relief.
17:56 You couldn't just hear it, you could see it, you could feel it in his reaction like, "Oh
18:01 my gosh, we just got the number one recruit."
18:04 I have not seen his full highlight tape, but I'll tell you the few plays I saw, that guy's
18:08 fast.
18:09 And I called my wife over, I'm like, "Angie," and I stopped the tape and I said, "Look where
18:13 he's at, look where everyone else is."
18:15 There's three guys within two feet of him.
18:18 I let the tape go by the time he was in the end zone, he was 12 to 13 yards ahead of them.
18:23 I have not seen that type of separation speed since Reggie Bush, maybe Ted Ginn Jr.
18:29 Those are the only two guys that I can think of, so he should be excited.
18:31 But here's my question, okay, because we got to ask you about the college football playoff
18:35 game between Michigan, between Bama.
18:38 I love, you make a great point with the layoff, the time off.
18:41 Maybe this revitalizes Michigan and gets them amped up again because they were fired up
18:45 for Penn State.
18:46 It's easy to get fired up for Ohio State.
18:48 I did not like the reaction that they gave when they saw they were playing Bama.
18:52 That's the only thing that gives me cause to pause.
18:55 I'm still personally picking Michigan, but Alabama's played not a manageable schedule,
19:00 shall we call it, much, much tougher.
19:02 I think number one in the country, SOS, and maybe the most improved player in the country
19:06 at their quarterback position.
19:08 Who you got winning that game?
19:10 I got Michigan.
19:11 I mentioned that just a smidge earlier.
19:13 I do like them because they kind of have this destiny type vibe to them.
19:18 And also being a guy who's been in sports for a long time, I remember when Michael Jordan
19:24 first kind of splashed onto the scene and it was, "Oh my gosh, Chicago Bulls, look at
19:28 them.
19:29 They're going to be fantastic."
19:30 But it took them and him a few years to figure out to kind of get over that hump, whether
19:35 it was the Celtics or the bad boys or whatever.
19:37 I feel like Michigan's kind of that team right now where they've been so close, they haven't
19:41 been able to get over the bump.
19:43 I feel like now they have that locker room, that veteran locker room presence.
19:46 They have a locker room which manages the program right now.
19:51 I don't think Harbaugh has to do that much.
19:53 And this is not a knock on Jim Harbaugh.
19:55 If anything, it's a compliment on him and his staff that they have created a culture
20:00 there inside that locker room that can handle anything, can handle that program.
20:04 And they have been dealt some odd cards this year.
20:07 I just like the way that that locker room has handled their business.
20:11 And I think they continue it during this pause and are able to kind of turn that conversation
20:17 about Alabama.
20:18 You're right, the non-verbals, the visuals out there of the reaction to finding out that
20:22 it wasn't Florida State, that it was Alabama that they would meet in the Rose Bowl instead
20:27 gave me a bad vibe.
20:28 And I guarantee you the leadership on that team saw it and felt it and said, "Get your
20:33 back in that locker room right now, close that door.
20:35 And we're going to straighten that out and we're going to straighten it out on the field
20:38 right now."
20:39 I would not be worried about Michigan.
20:40 If anything, I think Michigan prospers with this underdog type role, which is crazy to
20:46 say for the number one seed in the college football playoffs.
20:48 But I think Michigan is a bit of an underdog to a lot of people, to Vegas included, and
20:53 they'll take that.
20:54 I always loved being an underdog.
20:56 That's when teams I think perform their best.
20:58 There's a little less pressure on them.
21:01 Are you kidding me?
21:02 We're number one and you're not going to give us the respect.
21:04 I think a lot of those things are going to come into play.
21:08 And I really like Michigan and I like Michigan early to come after Alabama and be creative.
21:13 And hopefully if you're a Michigan fan, get that run game going from the jump to let McCarthy
21:19 and company be a little bit more comfortable in their game plan.
21:22 We'll see if the Wolverines wind up as the national champions.
21:25 Rob, you're a champion.
21:26 You're a former WWE 24/7 champion.
21:28 We appreciate your time.
21:30 We know you've got a lot going on.
21:31 I am?
21:32 What are you talking about?
21:33 He doesn't remember it at all, folks.
21:34 Not at all.
21:35 I wake up every morning and I look at this picture right there.
21:42 Look at that belt around my slim waist.
21:44 I'm sorry that Rudy's in that picture, but you look fantastic.
21:48 Honestly, this is one of the favorite pictures I have in my home.
21:52 It was such a stupid, fantastic moment and I'm so glad that WWE and Fox Sports frankly
21:59 allowed me to have it.
22:01 R-Truth, I still own you R-Truth.
22:06 Elias came in and rolled me up out of nowhere.
22:08 I literally knew what was happening, but I never saw Elias come by and roll me up.
22:14 If you watch the tape, my head just missed hitting our huge video scoreboard that was
22:20 right there because the roll up happened so fast.
22:23 And it happened so fast, he ripped the skin off my elbow that was on our artificial turf.
22:29 It was such a ridiculous highlight.
22:32 I've been a wrestling fan since I was a kid crying about the Strongbow brothers getting
22:37 jobbed by Mr. Suji and Mr. Saido.
22:40 I remember getting so upset about them.
22:43 The Moondogs were robbed again and cheering on Bob Backlund and good God, the claw is
22:49 coming away from Black Jack Mulligan and now there's a Von Erich movie that's coming out
22:53 this holiday season.
22:54 I cannot wait to see it.
22:58 I guess I'm not so closeted anymore, but I'm a bit of a wrestling nerd.
23:01 I watch it every week.
23:03 Sometimes I zip through it, but whenever it's in town or whenever I get a chance to go see
23:07 it live, and Tom, you know this, there is something different about the live presentation
23:13 and production of professional wrestling at WWE.
23:16 It is nonstop.
23:18 It is three hours if it's a Monday of in arena, nonstop.
23:22 It's like you're at the U2 Sphere concert.
23:25 I don't know if you guys have been there yet or seen it.
23:27 I was lucky enough to go, but it's not like your eyes are just constantly here.
23:31 What's going on over there?
23:32 My God, what's coming out of the building?
23:33 Wait, wait, there's somebody running down the stairs and during commercial breaks, there's
23:37 still stuff.
23:38 It is an amazing, amazing production.
23:40 It's fascinating.
23:41 Try doing play by play for it.
23:42 It's really interesting.
23:44 With that being said, go be with your humans.
23:46 Happy holidays.
23:47 Thank you so much for joining us and thank you for being on the Big Tech Show.
23:50 Happy to, guys.
23:51 Thanks for having me.
23:52 Maybe a little bit later we'll talk some college hoops.
23:54 It's up and running, baby.
23:55 It's up and running.
23:56 Let's do it. Love it. You got it. Thanks guys. Thank you Rob