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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Shahbaz Khosa (Lawyer)
- Haroon-ur-Rashid (Vice-Chairman P B C)
- Kanwar Dilshad Former Secretary (E C P)
- Sarfraz Bugti PPP
Aisa Lag Raha Hai Pakistan Bar Council Ki Press Release Ko Copy Kya Gaya Hai, Shahbaz Khosa
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- Kashif Abbasi
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- Shahbaz Khosa (Lawyer)
- Haroon-ur-Rashid (Vice-Chairman P B C)
- Kanwar Dilshad Former Secretary (E C P)
- Sarfraz Bugti PPP
Aisa Lag Raha Hai Pakistan Bar Council Ki Press Release Ko Copy Kya Gaya Hai, Shahbaz Khosa
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00:00 the program.
00:15 I'm a press.
00:37 behind this madness, this press release.
00:40 There are two, from the Supreme Court Bar Association and from the Pakistan Bar Council.
00:46 Before I go into this and show you both the points of both press releases, it seems like
00:51 only one of these press releases has written both.
00:53 When this case was going on in the Supreme Court of Pakistan, when this petition was
00:58 passed on Friday and there was a violent hearing, what words were used at the time of the elections
01:05 in the Supreme Court of Pakistan?
01:08 You should not hold elections, the executive should not hold elections, the commissioner
01:11 should not hold elections.
01:12 The objective is not to hold elections then.
01:14 Isn't this word here, no one should now put forward any pretext to derail democracy.
01:19 This is a violation of the Supreme Court order.
01:21 Who are the people who do not want elections?
01:22 And then our order is against it.
01:24 When we said that no one will derail this case, then who is derailing it?
01:28 We may even issue a contempt notice to the petitioner.
01:31 He is a lawyer, how is he acting against the order?
01:33 If he has a grievance, come to the Supreme Court.
01:35 We passed the order.
01:36 Why should we give a relief to a person who is a contemner?
01:40 I use the word contemner because he is derailing democracy.
01:45 Supreme Court of Pakistan has used very harsh words.
01:49 This is contempt.
01:51 It is an attempt to derail democracy.
01:53 So this is the context that elections will be held and will be held on time.
01:57 But suddenly today these press releases came, so everyone saw this and maybe they ran like
02:03 wild gooses or horses of thoughts that what happened?
02:07 Read both the press releases, I will make a comparison of both in front of you.
02:13 In the first two paragraphs of these press releases, it seems that the selection of words
02:17 is almost the same.
02:19 In this, the words level playing field, equal opportunity, transparency and fairness, such
02:25 words were used in the first paragraph in both the press releases.
02:29 When concerns are shown, one side says that there are serious concerns.
02:33 This is what the Pakistan Bar Council says.
02:35 It was called only a concern by the Supreme Court Bar Association.
02:39 The conduct of the Chief Election Commissioner was said by the Pakistan Bar Council.
02:43 The competence of the Chief Election Commissioner was said by the Supreme Court Bar Association.
02:47 And after that, the association demanded that it should go home as under fair and impartial
02:55 elections with equal opportunity for all are not possible.
02:57 The Supreme Court Bar said go home.
02:59 The Pakistan Bar Council said that the Lawyers' Movement will run.
03:01 There will be a Pakistan Representative Convention.
03:03 Why was this done?
03:05 The Supreme Court has issued a contempt notice to Umair Niazi according to Pakistan Tariq
03:12 Ansaab.
03:13 Although there is also an opinion on it that he had gone to a legal forum.
03:17 What should be done in this way?
03:19 If someone goes to take a remedy, of course, there is a court of law on the other side
03:23 as well.
03:24 But the court was so clear that we will issue a contempt notice.
03:28 If the Chief Election Commissioner is not here, then what will happen?
03:32 There is a legal issue as well as a political issue.
03:36 What is happening?
03:38 When I spoke to someone, it was said that there is a seat in Hafizabad, which has been
03:45 tried to be broken and two seats should be made.
03:48 This attempt was made by Aisat Bhoon Sahib that two seats should be broken so that he
03:54 can also fight the election.
03:56 This could not happen.
03:58 This is why, because he is very influential, he has an influence on the Bar Councils.
04:04 This is why these press releases have come.
04:07 Is this right?
04:08 We tried to get some important officials of the Supreme Court Bar, President, Supreme
04:12 Court Bar or Secretary, to come.
04:15 But both apologized for coming and perhaps they did not even know what kind of press
04:20 release came.
04:21 The President is currently in Umrah in Saudi Arabia.
04:25 And in his absence, the Supreme Court Bar's press release is in front of us.
04:31 It is from the eyes of the Secretary.
04:34 First, let's see what is the purpose of this.
04:36 In our studio, Mr. Shahbaz Khosla is present.
04:39 You are the Additional Secretary of the Supreme Court Bar.
04:44 Mr. Haroon Rashid is the Vice Chairman of the Pakistan Bar Council and Mr. Komal Dilshad
04:48 is the former Secretary Election Commissioner of Pakistan.
04:50 If you allow me, I will first look at the Pakistan Bar Council.
04:54 Mr. Haroon Rashid, there are two press releases.
04:57 The election of words is almost the same.
04:59 The same words are being used.
05:02 What do you want?
05:04 Mr. Haroon Rashid's voice is not coming to us.
05:14 I apologize.
05:17 Let's contact him again.
05:18 His DSNG has been frozen.
05:21 Mr. Khosla, you are the son of Mr. Latif Khosla.
05:24 You have recently been to PTI.
05:26 Is this your press release?
05:28 Sir, you only told me about this.
05:31 And then I read it.
05:34 It seemed that someone had put a stencil down and put the Pakistan Bar Council press
05:39 on the Supreme Court and got it signed.
05:43 You took those words and put them in this paragraph.
05:45 Yes, I put it in this.
05:46 And there were many good things said in it.
05:51 That the election should be at the right time, it should be clean and transparent.
05:54 Level playing field, equal opportunity, ensure transparency, fairness in the electoral process.
06:00 But the paragraph 3 of the Supreme Court Bar Association press release,
06:06 I had a little objection to it.
06:09 And if it had been put in front of me, I would have definitely objected to it and dissented it.
06:15 You would have disagreed with this press release?
06:17 Absolutely.
06:18 Because you cannot delay the election in any way.
06:22 Transparent, clean and fair, level playing field,
06:27 is the legal obligation of the Election Commission.
06:32 They are given 5 years to do this.
06:35 They are given a regular fund to do this.
06:38 Every party has an objection to this.
06:41 Obviously, if a constituency is cut in someone's favour,
06:46 it is cut against someone else.
06:48 If someone likes one thing, then someone doesn't like it.
06:52 But its mechanism is present in the law.
06:54 So how many people like you disagree with it?
06:56 First tell me, what problems have they put down in their place?
07:00 You must have spoken to someone else in the Supreme Court Bar,
07:03 to your friends, to the office holders.
07:04 Yes, absolutely.
07:05 Is everyone agreeing or no one is agreeing?
07:06 No one knows.
07:07 We have come to know this through the press release.
07:10 And this is a conspiracy to use institutions specifically for their own purposes.
07:17 And using institutions is not a good thing.
07:20 Do you think there is a method behind this madness?
07:23 Or do you think it is just a trick?
07:25 Sir, if you look at it, there are a lot of unconstitutional things happening in this country,
07:30 which are being raised and put in front of the Chief Election Commissioner.
07:35 And it is also being put in front of the courts.
07:38 But the Pakistan Bar Council has not yet taken action on those things.
07:42 The Supreme Court Bar Association has not yet taken such a big step.
07:49 Now suddenly we have two holes.
07:51 There are already slogans being raised in Pakistan that there is no level playing field.
07:55 The people of the Telecom are being picked up.
07:57 They are not allowed to campaign.
07:59 There is no transparency.
08:00 If you talk about all this, then there is a lot of things.
08:03 But no one has said anything.
08:04 Nothing has been said yet.
08:08 You have just pointed out that there is a hole in this.
08:11 So we should avoid this kind of thing where there is a legitimate...
08:16 Are there other people like you in the Supreme Court Bar Association who are opposing this?
08:20 I have been elected to the Supreme Court Bar Association with the highest vote in Pakistan.
08:25 I have contacts with friends all over Pakistan.
08:28 The rest of the things are absolutely legitimate and we all support them.
08:33 There should be a transparent election.
08:35 There should be a level playing field.
08:37 But specifically, we point out one or two illegalities and demand the resignation of the Chief Election Commissioner.
08:47 And at the same time say that it is more important to have a clear and transparent election than to have an election on time.
08:54 Not even one lawyer wants this to happen on time.
08:58 The Supreme Court has already decided that Chief Justice Bakwal is a stone.
09:03 So, in the absence of that decision, the election should be held on 8th of Feb.
09:09 Which safeguards and protections are present in the law.
09:12 We will see that.
09:13 I will come to that.
09:14 How to ensure a level playing field and all.
09:16 Mr. Arun Rashid, this has come from you, the Secretary of the Pakistan Bar Council.
09:26 The Lawyers Movement will start.
09:29 You want to call the Pakistan Representative Convention and announce a line of action.
09:36 Against whom are you doing this?
09:38 Against the Election Commission or against the elections?
09:40 If you have read paragraph 2, it says that the discrimination that has happened in Jhelum,
09:50 where there are two seats, in Afzabad, there is the same population, there is one seat.
09:57 In Gujranwala, the population is less and there are more seats.
10:01 In Haripur, the population is 14 lakhs and there is one seat.
10:04 Our basic concern was this and for that we raised our objection and publicly raised it.
10:14 Sir, I want to tell you one thing.
10:16 Two seats or one seat in Afzabad from where Assad Bhull Sahib wants to fight the election.
10:20 You have created a situation behind it that the whole of Pakistan is thinking that perhaps
10:25 the election is being conspired against.
10:27 I have no such thoughts and neither has Mr. Bhull Sahib mentioned anything to me that he is contesting the election.
10:34 I have no such news.
10:37 The point we have raised is that the discrimination that has happened and the allocation of seats was not appropriate.
10:45 Now, as the Supreme Court has ordered, we want an election.
10:51 We do not want to derail the election.
10:54 The election should be in time and people should be given a chance to participate.
10:59 But the irregularities that are on the part of the Election Commission of Pakistan, there should be a solution for them too.
11:08 But the Supreme Court has said that...
11:10 Sir, but Shabaz Khosla Sahib, the additional secretary of the Supreme Court Bar Association,
11:14 he says that we disagree with the Supreme Court Bar Association.
11:18 And Mr. Bukla is also one of them, with whom I spoke, he is disagreeing with this press release.
11:24 You are behind one seat, you are behind the Chief Election Commissioner.
11:27 He is the additional secretary of the Supreme Court.
11:29 He is the Pakistan Bar Council.
11:31 Everyone has the right to object, whoever wants to.
11:34 But sir, this level playing field is being given.
11:36 You have not seen a level playing field of just two circles.
11:39 A party is not allowed to campaign.
11:41 Their people are being broken.
11:42 Didn't you object to the fact that you are issuing a press release?
11:45 If there is such a matter, then they should go to court.
11:49 That people are being broken, and this is being done, and level playing field, I don't know about those things.
11:54 I don't know about what I don't know, I don't want to discuss it.
11:58 Sir, this is the politics of Pakistan, how did you find out about these three girls?
12:01 There should be a time.
12:03 The negligence committed by the Election Commission of Pakistan, we have pointed out them.
12:11 And then we have decided that we will convene a meeting of the representatives of Pakistan Liars.
12:20 Do you want to overturn the election?
12:22 Do you want to remove the Chief Election Commissioner and overturn the election?
12:28 Never.
12:30 I will tell you personally that neither do we want to remove the Chief Election Commissioner,
12:36 we have pointed out the negligence of the people who did not do their work.
12:41 I will come back to what you are saying, we do not want to remove him.
12:44 We will declare that further.
12:46 Article 218 and 19 of the Election Commission, it says what is the Election Commission?
12:51 Commissioner shall be the chairman, four members, this is the Election Commission.
12:55 Duties of Commission.
12:57 It is the duty of the Election Commission to organize and conduct elections to the Senate,
13:07 casual vacancies in a house or a provincial assembly.
13:11 Mr. Kumar Dalshad, you must have seen all this from the morning, what do you think is happening?
13:18 I have heard the conversation of Mr. Haji Rashid and Mr. Shahbaz Khosla.
13:27 After this, the agreement of Pakistan Bar Council and CBO Bar Association has become impossible.
13:34 Their agreement has become impossible.
13:36 They do not state the facts.
13:38 Mr. Rashid is saying that our intention is not like this.
13:40 Elections should be fair and transparent, this is our demand.
13:43 Mr. Khosla has said beautifully that there is disagreement on some points of the agreement.
13:49 This has become impossible for them to reach an agreement.
13:52 But the most important thing is that the Election Commission of Pakistan, as you said,
13:57 Article 218 is the reference, you are absolutely right.
14:00 We wanted to request about the casual vacancies, the two announcements,
14:06 that on June 6, 2018, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Saqib Nisar,
14:13 Sadaar Azhar Sahib, the Chief Election Commissioner, issued a ruling on his request
14:18 that when the final notice of the casual vacancies is issued,
14:22 then it cannot be challenged in any court.
14:26 At that time, when the casual vacancies were announced,
14:28 the casual vacancies were challenged in all four Supreme High Courts.
14:32 So now it is not possible to challenge?
14:34 You are saying that it is not possible.
14:37 So, what was said, Saqib Nisar's order was given, in the light of that, the case has been brought to court.
14:43 Sir, there is a question, many people were asking this question, Mr. Kaur Dilsad,
14:48 that if, suppose, many times it happens that the matter starts from here,
14:53 but the matters get worse, suppose there is no Chief Election Commissioner,
14:57 then the Election Commission will be complete and the election can be held or not?
15:04 It is not right to think about the current Chief Election Commissioner,
15:08 that he will leave his seat or office on someone's request or under some pressure.
15:13 He will remain in office, he will be able to hold the election of 28 April 2024.
15:19 If you look at the date of the Chief Election Commissioner,
15:22 then from 1956 to 2013, all the Chief Election Commissioners have been criticized,
15:29 they have been asked to resign, to go home.
15:34 There is always a Chief Election Commissioner, who has been killed by criticism.
15:38 This is our electoral history, 50-60 years later.
15:41 This is right, but are you objecting to the timing,
15:43 that Pakistan Bar Council and Supreme Court are being issued?
15:47 There are objections, but their rights are being fulfilled,
15:49 and the law is being followed, it is not being violated.
15:52 And every objection is being violated, you have seen the Supreme Court,
15:54 it is putting the people in contempt, who have submitted petitions before this,
15:58 about an element of elections, this is also an element of elections.
16:02 Did you get worried seeing this? Were you surprised? Were you surprised? Or not?
16:09 No, see, you are asking me?
16:11 Yes, yes, I am asking you.
16:13 No, no, my request is that, now, there is a very important thing,
16:17 that when the Supreme Court of Pakistan, the current Chief Justice,
16:21 has decided that no court can challenge,
16:25 now this decision of the people in contempt, is of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
16:29 Now, this is no longer the decision of the Election Commission.
16:32 When they have extended, they have said that we issue the order,
16:35 no court will challenge, the election commission of the people in contempt is correct.
16:40 So, seeing these circumstances, we can see that,
16:43 this means that this decision is of the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
16:47 The decision of Pakistan and there can be no change in this.
16:49 I will come back, I have more questions from the Election Commission.
16:52 A press release came from the Election Commission, on 19th December.
16:57 They have denied that in the district of the Chief Election Commissioner,
17:00 no additional session has been created.
17:03 Sargodha is their district, but here, Hafizabad has more problems.
17:07 Can we call the Chief Justice of the people in contempt?
17:11 Sir, we should not call him, he has raised objections.
17:16 But he will bring the Lawyers Movement, he is calling for a convention,
17:19 he will run a campaign.
17:21 I think, in the Pakistan Bar Council,
17:23 like Haroon Rashid, whose name is written here,
17:27 he has been asked to be removed.
17:30 Here, he is demanding that he should resign,
17:33 but now he is saying that he does not want to be removed.
17:35 I will ask him.
17:36 Haroon Rashid, you do not want to remove the Chief Election Commissioner?
17:39 No, I think he did not read it properly.
17:43 You were saying that he will go home after office at night.
17:48 If he reads it properly, then our aim was not this.
17:53 We say that all this happened in the presence of the Chief Election Commission.
17:58 And if this had happened in the Election Commission,
18:01 then it is our right to object.
18:04 You do not have any demand to remove him from the Bar Council?
18:09 You do not have any demand to remove the Chief Election Commissioner?
18:15 No, we have said that the Transparent General Election,
18:23 is seen as impossible in the present Election Commission.
18:29 But we have not said that he should resign.
18:33 I think you have written this paragraph on your own behalf,
18:36 it has not reached the Supreme Court Bar.
18:38 They have written that he should resign and go home.
18:41 He will resign, but we will not.
18:44 All the sentences are the same,
18:46 "Maafi chana toh, yeh saith na de, Haroon sahab".
18:48 All the things that the Pakistan Bar Council has said in this,
18:51 If the mind is the same, then it is possible.
18:53 The mind is the same?
18:54 Sir, a consensus should be developed.
18:57 And I wish that the Supreme Court Bar Association,
19:00 had consulted their executive before issuing the press release.
19:04 Who has given this?
19:05 I am the additional secretary,
19:07 it is written that I have consulted, but I have not done it.
19:09 I have asked some of my friends,
19:12 they have not been consulted and have signed this.
19:14 Did you consult the President?
19:16 I have not been able to ask him, he is at Umrah.
19:19 He has gone to Umrah.
19:21 So maybe the Secretary knows more.
19:24 It is possible that the Secretary himself has written this.
19:26 Sir, that is not the way it should work.
19:29 But in any event, the things that have been highlighted,
19:32 the expectations from the Election Commissioner,
19:35 are absolutely right.
19:37 There should be a clean and transparent election.
19:39 There should be a level playing field.
19:41 There are a lot of illegalities happening here.
19:44 I wish that instead of two rings,
19:47 all the lists would have been given,
19:49 that so many hopefuls have been arrested here,
19:52 so many hopefuls' documents are not being given,
19:55 so many hopefuls are in jail and they are not being punished.
20:00 MPOs are being appointed.
20:02 I wish that the Pakistan Bar Council and the Supreme Court Association…
20:05 How do you know all this? Mr. Haroon Rashid does not know all these things.
20:07 Sir, this is…
20:09 You read the newspaper, right?
20:10 Haroon Rashid knows these things much better than me.
20:15 Maybe he was not shown again before the press release.
20:20 Because there are such illegalities,
20:22 such unconstitutional things,
20:25 because of which we have a strong objection to the conduct of the Chief Election Commissioner.
20:30 But by putting pressure on two rings,
20:33 two institutions should be used to put pressure on two rings.
20:38 I don't think this Mukla will accept this.
20:41 I wanted to ask you a political question.
20:43 Mr. Lateef Khosla has joined PTA.
20:45 Sir, I have joined now.
20:47 You cannot even reject it.
20:48 I have joined now.
20:50 Who is fighting for the election?
20:52 Sir, he knows better. Mr. Khan knows better.
20:55 For now, we are…
20:56 Will Mr. Khosla fight himself?
20:58 Sir, this will be a better question for Mr. Khosla.
21:00 We hope that if someone can improve,
21:03 then I think we will have expectations from him.
21:06 We are people who are under his shadow.
21:09 It would be better if he fights.
21:11 But I don't know what the decision is yet.
21:13 And if he fights, then from where will he fight?
21:14 Sir, I have…
21:15 He is a guy who is in his prime.
21:17 He will fight from where you love him.
21:20 But I have no idea.
21:22 DG Khan or Lahore, these two.
21:23 Sir, I have no idea.
21:25 Okay, I will leave you here for now.
21:27 Mr. Haroon Rashid, do you read newspapers?
21:30 Sometimes.
21:33 Sir, the day no one is arrested,
21:36 the day no one is treated as an MPO,
21:39 you read it.
21:40 Because the problem is that you are talking about level playing field,
21:43 equal opportunity, transparency, fairness.
21:46 This is a debate.
21:47 For a long time, Mr. Tariq Khan has been accusing us
21:49 that we don't have a level playing field.
21:51 People's Party is accusing us that we don't have a level playing field.
21:54 Why didn't you write such a letter then?
21:56 Or did the press release it?
21:58 No, no, look.
21:59 Look, how we write letters at that time.
22:02 It is their own business.
22:03 Those who are not getting it, they go to court.
22:06 That we should have a level playing field.
22:08 We demand that it should be like this.
22:10 And all parties should have a level playing field.
22:13 There should be a transparent election.
22:15 This is the right of all parties.
22:16 Sir, let me show you a small press release.
22:18 On 11th September 2020,
22:21 Pakistan Bar Council gave a press release
22:24 in which you went to the MZNBC's NAB office,
22:27 where Mr. Mariam Nawaz Sharif was.
22:29 And you said that the PMLN workers
22:32 who were protesting peacefully,
22:34 were attacked.
22:36 One press release.
22:37 Which is not your job.
22:38 According to you, what you are talking about now,
22:40 it was their job to go to court.
22:43 Then you did another press release on 16th October 2020.
22:47 Listen to this too.
22:48 You forced the police and district authorities
22:53 to create hurdles.
22:55 Public meeting of PDM.
22:57 At that time, you know, PDM was in opposition.
22:59 Which was to happen today in Gujranwala.
23:02 And a massive crackdown has been done
23:04 in different districts of Punjab
23:07 against political workers of PDM.
23:09 These are the press releases of your Pakistan Bar Council.
23:12 At that time, you did not say that you should go to the courts.
23:15 Pakistan Bar Council decided
23:17 that you will release this press release.
23:19 Today you are saying that you should go to the courts.
23:22 So you are a politician, right?
23:24 If this is 2020,
23:27 then this was not Pakistan Bar Council at that time.
23:30 Azam Haseeb Tariq was there, right?
23:32 This is about 2021.
23:35 We came after 2021.
23:37 I am just asking that
23:38 does Pakistan Bar Council issue press releases
23:42 only for its political opponents?
23:45 No, no, it's not like that.
23:48 Tell us one press release of our Pakistan Bar Council
23:51 in which someone was favoured.
23:53 We have always condemned the police.
23:55 Tell us two now.
23:57 Yes?
24:00 Tell us two now.
24:02 No, no, we have not favoured any party.
24:07 You are favouring the party.
24:09 I want to know when you talk about free and fair elections,
24:12 equal opportunity,
24:14 when I ask you if it is there today,
24:16 you are talking about equal opportunity and transparency in this press release.
24:20 You are talking about free elections,
24:21 you are talking about the level playing field.
24:22 Does everyone have it today?
24:23 Is the People's Party getting it?
24:25 Forget about the Tariq-e-Ishaq.
24:27 No, no, we want this to happen.
24:31 So why don't you release a press release
24:32 that there is an election,
24:33 you are the body of the Bar Council,
24:34 you are the biggest.
24:35 You are the leader of the party.
24:36 So why don't you release a press release
24:38 that they come to you and you release a press release like this?
24:42 No, no, we don't issue a press release on anyone's request.
24:45 You are talking about political situations
24:47 that your party members may have a problem.
24:50 Mr. Haroon, this is what I can see.
24:53 Or your friends.
24:54 No, no, we don't favour any party or oppose any party.
24:59 You take the seat of Hafizabad.
25:00 We talk about the general public.
25:03 Sir, which public is the seat of Hafizabad important for?
25:06 Tell me.
25:07 We have taken an objection.
25:09 If there are two or one seat in the elections,
25:13 then it is important for them to take the seat.
25:16 What effect does the seat of Bar have on the general public?
25:18 Mr. Haroon, if there is one seat or two seats,
25:20 tell me what effect does the seat of Bar have?
25:22 Look, the public concern, the basic right,
25:28 we have put it to the point.
25:29 Sir, public concern,
25:30 I am saying the same thing,
25:31 we don't understand the public concern of the people.
25:33 You are only seeing the public concern of Hafizabad.
25:36 No, no, the things we know.
25:39 If someone else has it, then they should do it too.
25:42 Or inform us that this is the position in our area,
25:46 or in our circle too.
25:48 So we will point that out too.
25:50 I will request, sir,
25:51 either add the paragraphs of the other violations that are taking place,
25:56 the atrocities that are being done to other parties,
26:00 the fact that other parties are not allowed to hold gatherings,
26:03 the fact that other party candidates are being arrested,
26:06 if you add all these paragraphs,
26:08 then this is a very good press release.
26:11 Or, from this,
26:12 you can minus the Hafizabad and other circles,
26:15 and the Parra 3 Supreme Court Bar press release,
26:18 you can also minus that,
26:19 then too this is a very good press release.
26:20 Okay.
26:21 Mr. Kumar Dinshawar,
26:22 tell me, will PTA get the bullet mark?
26:24 In your opinion,
26:25 the incidents and the circumstances that you have seen so far.
26:27 In my opinion,
26:30 it is clear that the way that Rehman Sumei and Saeed Ali Zafar have given evidence,
26:36 and it is clear to me that it is possible that the decision will be positive,
26:42 that it will be in their favour,
26:43 because they are also feeling it,
26:45 the election is also taking place,
26:46 and looking at the circumstances,
26:48 the party elections,
26:50 they have given their arguments,
26:51 they have stated their shortcomings,
26:53 all those shortcomings have come to the fore of all the parties,
26:56 but my personal opinion is that,
26:58 my personal opinion is that,
26:59 I have noticed that,
27:00 I have noticed that,
27:01 Sir, you have been watching the election commission for so long,
27:03 you have been watching its proceedings,
27:04 when was the last time you saw the scrutiny,
27:06 that so much scrutiny was given to the elections of a political party?
27:09 Mr. Kumar Dinshawar.
27:14 In any case,
27:15 the decision will be made in the election,
27:16 the decision will be made,
27:17 but in any case,
27:18 it is clear that it is possible that the election will decide on seeing all the facts of the world,
27:23 and all the rules, regulations, and all the past practices,
27:27 the decision will be made on seeing all of them,
27:29 and the decision will be made on seeing all the facts of the world,
27:32 and the election commission of Pakistan,
27:34 and the level playing field,
27:35 its view will also be put forward,
27:38 so it is better,
27:39 it does not matter about the polls,
27:41 the party keeps taking part in the talks,
27:44 but in any case,
27:45 it is expected that,
27:46 it is expected that,
27:47 Sir, the polls make a lot of difference,
27:48 because the identity of any political party is also a choice,
27:52 on which people vote,
27:54 that is why people do not say vote for me,
27:56 they say vote for Teer, vote for Sher, vote for Balle,
27:59 because it is an association of the name of a political party,
28:03 with its electoral sign,
28:04 which takes a lot of time to understand people,
28:06 or to remember which is the electoral sign of our party,
28:09 but you are saying that your personal opinion is that,
28:12 you will get the sign,
28:13 let's take a break,
28:14 we will be back after the break.
28:16 Welcome back viewers,
28:20 this was,
28:21 I do not think there is much to say,
28:24 this is the matter of the Chief Election Commissioner's resignation,
28:28 but now,
28:29 Sir Faraz Bugti,
28:30 who said in the Alal-e-Ilaan press conference,
28:32 that I want to go to the Muslim League,
28:34 he also went to that party,
28:36 why did he make this decision,
28:38 why did he leave the Baap party,
28:40 it was a very powerful party,
28:42 we spoke to Mr. Bugti,
28:44 let's listen.
28:45 Mr. Bugti,
28:46 one, your dress is very good,
28:47 two, your political decisions are very wise,
28:50 what is the reason?
28:51 Thank you for liking my dress,
28:55 and one makes political decisions,
28:57 with a political mindset,
28:59 and according to the time,
29:00 sometimes they are right,
29:02 and sometimes wrong decisions are made.
29:03 Sir, but a few days ago you said,
29:05 I am going to the Muslim League Noon.
29:07 Look,
29:08 I have good relations with the Muslim League Noon,
29:11 especially with the secondary leadership,
29:13 I have a lot of friendship,
29:15 I have good relations with Mr. Niaz,
29:18 obviously you are also looking at your circle in politics,
29:21 and you are also looking at your regional support,
29:23 the provincial support,
29:24 and the support group,
29:26 how you are going to do it.
29:27 Sir, but when you were the KTK's Minister of Internal Affairs,
29:30 you were asked a question,
29:31 if you were not a minister,
29:32 where would you go,
29:33 you said I had to go to PMLN,
29:34 you have met Mr. Shabaz Sharif,
29:36 you have met Mariam Nawaz,
29:38 if you say it so openly,
29:40 because the politics of Pakistan is very interesting,
29:43 very funny,
29:45 although the politics of Pakistan is very funny,
29:48 but the politics of Balochistan is even more funny,
29:51 because there are a lot of games in it,
29:53 which we are trying to understand,
29:55 can this be a part of one of those games?
29:58 Look, I have met Mr. Shabaz Sharif,
30:02 Mr. Sardar Asad,
30:04 and the rest of the secondary leadership,
30:06 I have met everyone.
30:07 Now, the matter was that when all these developments were happening,
30:10 we were not able to do much,
30:12 basically we are trying to fight our politics,
30:14 because I am trying to fight MPA,
30:16 and we are doing politics in Balochistan,
30:19 so you see that the politics of the groups there is very much,
30:22 without groups you are not growing,
30:25 and the group that was doing me favor regionally,
30:28 mostly went to the Pakistan People's Party.
30:31 Mr. Durrani and Mr. Domke,
30:33 you are talking about these people.
30:34 Yes, of course, Mr. Domke was there,
30:36 Mr. Durrani was there,
30:38 and Sardar Bangulzai was there,
30:40 Mr. Zahiri was there,
30:41 so and so on,
30:42 I am talking about Mir Nehmat Zahiri,
30:44 and there are many groups like this.
30:46 But on the other hand, there is Mr. Kakar,
30:47 Mr. Jaan Jamali,
30:48 with whom you have a big group,
30:50 your father's party went there.
30:52 Look, the father's party was the only group,
30:56 which brought a no confidence motion against its president,
30:59 against Mr. Jaan, you know,
31:01 we were with Mr. Jaan at that time,
31:03 but in politics there is no permanent friend,
31:05 there is no permanent enemy,
31:07 and this is how it works,
31:09 sometimes you do it this way,
31:11 and sometimes it happens this way,
31:13 it moves.
31:16 So I think this argument,
31:19 that in politics there is no permanent friend,
31:21 and no permanent enemy,
31:22 I took this decision by putting that in front.
31:25 Sir, tell me,
31:26 did the Muslim League not contact you recently?
31:28 Yes, this was a little bit,
31:31 when I resigned from the caretaker government,
31:35 they did not contact me after that,
31:38 this is true.
31:40 Why didn't they contact you,
31:42 when you had so many meetings,
31:44 so much thought to go there?
31:46 I think they must be busy,
31:48 or normally our friends take us for granted.
31:51 So is this the reason,
31:53 if they would have contacted you,
31:54 let's say Mr. Shabaz or Mr. Mian would have called,
31:56 and said, sir, come, what would have happened then?
31:58 Look, I would have definitely been in trouble,
32:00 because Mr. Zardari and Mr. Bilawal,
32:03 and everyone else was contacting me,
32:05 and they were contacting me themselves,
32:07 and they were contacting me again and again,
32:09 and obviously we have a friendship with them too,
32:12 and you know that our areas are bordering Sindh,
32:16 and my father too,
32:18 all his politics,
32:19 with the People's Party of Pakistan,
32:22 there was an affiliation,
32:24 so if we put all these things in front,
32:26 then this decision was made.
32:29 But sir, because we are looking at Balochistan's politics,
32:32 you remember the Baap Party,
32:33 they used to get a lot of taunts,
32:34 Baap ka Baap, whatever Baap Party says,
32:35 will do that only.
32:37 So all the people of Baap Party,
32:39 this was said,
32:40 this was thought,
32:41 you know, there was a thought about them,
32:43 they were going to the People's Party first,
32:45 it felt like they had joined,
32:47 then they came, no, no,
32:48 they didn't join at all,
32:49 you are going to the Muslim League Moon,
32:50 and then,
32:52 is this game playing not going on in Balochistan,
32:56 that the people of Baap Party,
32:58 sometimes they don't know,
32:59 if the Minister doesn't want to give the Muslim League Moon,
33:01 then people go to the other side.
33:03 Now, sir, honestly speaking,
33:05 all these things,
33:06 you are going through a thought process in politics.
33:09 All the politicians are close to the election,
33:12 and especially in our country,
33:13 politics has become such that,
33:15 before the election,
33:16 there is a lot of confusion,
33:17 and every person is going beyond politics.
33:20 And we have also seen this trend,
33:22 that in the past,
33:23 all people,
33:24 only the Baap Party is accused,
33:25 otherwise all the parties are like Baap Party,
33:28 I don't see any difference.
33:30 Sir, is the Muslim League Moon also like Baap Party?
33:33 I don't want to comment on this.
33:36 All the political parties are the same.
33:40 If I ask you to name one party,
33:42 which is not like Baap Party,
33:43 you will be in trouble.
33:45 Look, the demand is such that,
33:47 Baap was a political party,
33:49 and is a party,
33:50 it is a fact,
33:51 Baap has a Senate Chairman,
33:53 Baap has a minister from Pakistan,
33:55 from Baap's platform,
33:56 so I think,
33:57 this is the political party,
33:59 and it is true that,
34:00 this is not a political party.
34:01 Now you are trying to cover it.
34:03 Yes, I am trying to.
34:05 (Laughs)
34:07 I understood the point,
34:09 that all the political parties are like Baap Party.
34:11 No, no.
34:12 Tell me one thing,
34:13 now that you have to make your political decisions,
34:16 Mian Sir is selected,
34:17 will he agree or not?
34:19 What will you say again, Mian Sir?
34:21 Ladley is saying,
34:23 People's Party is selected,
34:25 and they say,
34:27 PM LL is a Kings Party.
34:29 (Laughs)
34:30 I don't want to comment on that.
34:32 Say no, say no.
34:34 We will accept that too.
34:36 Look,
34:37 I am answering your question,
34:39 not my right.
34:40 Let me do an exercise.
34:42 Sir,
34:43 you have to tell your people the truth,
34:45 that you were the interior minister,
34:47 when Mian Sir came back,
34:49 and he was in Nadra's hut at the airport,
34:51 tell a little about what was happening.
34:54 Look,
34:55 the capacity I had then,
34:57 was different,
34:58 and today I am in a different capacity.
35:00 I don't want to comment on that,
35:02 Mr. Bajaj.
35:04 When the election will be in full swing,
35:06 we will ask you.
35:07 I was thinking the same thing,
35:09 you must know that you have to fight the election.
35:12 Then why did you become a caretaker?
35:14 Why did you become a caretaker as an interior minister?
35:16 Look,
35:17 at that time,
35:18 I didn't have in my mind,
35:19 that I have to fight the election.
35:21 But when people from the other side,
35:23 when I took this decision,
35:25 I was thinking that,
35:26 Pakistan needs me as a caretaker interior minister,
35:29 so that I can deliver something there,
35:31 and take such decisions,
35:33 which are not popular,
35:34 which are unpopular,
35:35 but for the state,
35:36 for Pakistan,
35:37 for their solidarity,
35:38 maybe it will be better,
35:39 like anti-smuggling,
35:41 or Afghan repatriation,
35:43 or illegal repatriation,
35:45 all these were difficult decisions.
35:47 You know,
35:48 I am taking advantage of your presence,
35:50 but the bar councils,
35:52 which have expressed their distrust,
35:54 Supreme Court Bar Council,
35:56 Supreme Court Bar Association,
35:59 Pakistan Bar Council,
36:01 don't you find it strange,
36:03 that they are trying to overturn the election?
36:07 Look,
36:08 I think,
36:10 the politics of the bars,
36:12 has always been a little tricky,
36:14 and dicey.
36:16 And understanding this,
36:18 and understanding the politics of the bar,
36:20 people from outside can comment on it better.
36:22 I think,
36:23 there is no chance of an election delay in this country,
36:26 and it doesn't seem like it.
36:28 And these elections should be done on time,
36:30 so that the country can move forward.
36:32 If it is 10-15 days ahead or behind,
36:34 no sky would fall.
36:36 If you look at the weather extreme,
36:38 the kind of weather in our northern areas,
36:41 or in the areas of Balochistan,
36:44 in the north,
36:45 in Ziarat,
36:46 in Kanme Tarzai,
36:48 in Qila Safullah,
36:49 in Qila Abdullah,
36:50 in Qala,
36:51 all these areas,
36:52 even today,
36:53 the temperature is -5 degrees in Quetta.
36:54 So it will rise,
36:55 it will go up.
36:56 So in this extreme weather region,
36:58 no sky would fall in 10-15 days.
37:00 You are saying,
37:01 elections will be done.
37:02 Yes,
37:03 this is what I think.
37:04 When you came,
37:05 you also thought,
37:06 elections would be done by February.
37:08 Look,
37:09 I had taken this decision,
37:11 13th of this month,
37:13 in fact,
37:14 10th of this month,
37:15 I had discussed with the Prime Minister,
37:17 that I want to design like this,
37:19 and my people in the region,
37:21 are pursuing me a lot,
37:23 that you have to come to the elections,
37:25 and you pay attention to the region,
37:27 which I was not able to pay attention to.
37:29 So he wrote letters to me,
37:30 and made phone calls.
37:31 So finally,
37:32 I took this decision,
37:33 and later on,
37:34 all this development took place.
37:35 Sir,
37:36 tell me,
37:37 the minister,
37:38 who is the minister,
37:39 which region will he go to?
37:40 Which party will he go to?
37:41 People's Party or Noon?
37:42 You have a lot of friends,
37:43 who are in the party.
37:44 Look,
37:45 it is too early to say,
37:46 I told you,
37:47 I think he will go to Noon,
37:48 sir.
37:49 I am telling you today.
37:50 You must be thinking,
37:51 that he is a very close friend of mine,
37:55 so I can only pray for him,
37:58 but keep one thing in mind,
37:59 Kashyap bhai,
38:00 wherever he goes,
38:01 he will be an asset.
38:02 The party he goes to,
38:03 he will be an asset for that party.
38:05 Are you the Minister of People's Party,
38:07 in Balochistan?
38:09 No,
38:10 this is the decision of the party,
38:12 I am a small worker,
38:13 and as such,
38:14 Pakistan People's Party,
38:15 which was my father's party,
38:16 which is a martyr's party,
38:18 and I think,
38:19 mainstream political parties,
38:21 can only counter narrative,
38:23 the narrative,
38:24 which has caused
38:26 Pakistan a loss.
38:28 And the narrative of Pakistan,
38:30 even if I am not one of its pioneers,
38:32 at least,
38:33 there is some blood of mine,
38:35 and some sweat of mine.
38:37 Tell me,
38:38 the father's party will be finished,
38:39 right?
38:40 Yes,
38:42 it exists.
38:44 But it is a case of the papers.
38:46 No,
38:48 it exists in the father's party.
38:50 Mr. Shahbaz Khanjrani.