Analyst Muneeb Farooq's analysis on Pakistan's politics
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00:00 the world. So, we are going to have a discussion about this. We have already discussed this. I don't want to go into the details of this discussion.
00:07 And the reason for this is that in our country, our standard of politics is different. I will tell you the story I have heard. In foreign countries, the first thing a politician has to do is to satisfy his voters.
00:19 If he cannot satisfy his voters or his party, he has to throw his party out of the country. He has to either say that this country is fine, the establishment is fine because our country is fine, the courts are fine, and then he has to say that everyone is fine.
00:38 You call a politician to say that, but if you satisfy the rest of the people, it will be difficult. Then if you want to speak the truth, then you have to speak all the truths together.
00:48 Don't say that one truth will be there and the other truth will not be there. But all these debates, Muneeb, we have been doing this for a long time. The desire to satisfy is also right.
00:58 We all say that everyone should be satisfied. Everyone should be satisfied. Don't selectively say this. But in this country, satisfaction is according to politics.
01:08 I gave an example a while ago. A case of Iddat is going on. You know better than me. The kind of interviews that are being done is also a very hilarious thing.
01:20 Do cases, but they should be seen that this is a case and we are telling the shortcomings in it. But this politics will not end in your opinion. It will continue like this.
01:32 Today is one wall, yesterday was the last wall, today is the last wall.
01:35 Thank you very much, brother. See, the request is only this. I will say this much. I have done dozens of programs in the case of the merits or facts.
01:47 I have done a lot. I have contributed in it. Whenever you called, I was present. I will say just this much.
01:53 The blind also knew that when Mian Nawaz Sharif was made incapable, you have seen the story of 2017 and 2016.
02:04 When Mian Nawaz Sharif came to power in 2013, the situation in 2014 and the development of Islamabad was also in front of your eyes.
02:14 So the ground was set at that time that Nawaz Sharif's government will not be left. At that time, the head of ISI, General Zahirul Islam, I quoted you before, I will quote again.
02:24 The whole Imran Khan, Ibrahim Khan, he brought the Lahore army and Dr. Qazi came to save the state.
02:31 I asked him, when I met him, I quoted him. I said, what was the story of the 2014 elections?
02:39 So he just told me that our job is to create an environment. The rest of the work is to do by the next generation.
02:47 It meant that we did our job, that show could not be properly done, which was to be done in 2014.
02:52 Whatever happened, I do not go into its chronology, what happened.
02:58 But the point is that even the blind knew that Mian Nawaz Sharif was made incapable in 2017 and for whom it was done, who did it, with whose help.
03:08 Can it be said that the same thing is still happening?
03:11 I am coming to that only. I am coming to that only.
03:13 See, what is the concern for me? I knew that the decisions against Mian Nawaz Sharif, when they will go to the courts independently, to the appellate court,
03:23 they will fly away because when you have to prove something in an army case, then you have to do it beyond reasonable doubt.
03:30 Undoubtedly, the Mian Nawaz Sharif or his counsel did not give a satisfying statement, but the benefit of doubt is still there.
03:38 But Muneem sir, you are a lawyer, I will say again that we have had big debates on this.
03:42 Under NAB ordinance 9A4 or 4A or A5 or 5A, whatever its forms are, if your asset is caught,
03:50 you have a bank account in which two hundred million rupees are in it and you are a Pathwari, we have been talking for a long time,
03:55 the state cannot prove where the money has come from. It has to be justified, why did he say that where did the money come from?
04:01 The law of Britain is also like this.
04:03 Sir, there is ample case law on this that there is a minimum burden of proof on the prosecution that you have to satisfy.
04:11 The problem is that you have to do something seriously,
04:16 you don't have to go to the court and sit there and say, what are you doing, you have to prove something.
04:25 Now you forget that thing, I said I will not go to the merits.
04:28 My concern is only that if Imran Khan has committed a crime, then the punishment should be in accordance with the law and the constitution.
04:34 The thing that haunts me living in this country is that five years down the line, four years down the line,
04:42 the cases against Imran Khan that have been made or in which he has been punished,
04:47 if he has to go to the appellate courts and get relief that the case was overturned,
04:55 then believe me, we will keep going in circles.
04:59 And we will be doing a program like this, four or five years later, Bhatti Sahib will say, I was the first to say that the case was broken.
05:05 Amar Sahib and Muneeb Sahib were saying this, we were saying that there were some decisions made in accordance with the circumstances at that time,
05:14 and these decisions were coming under his decisions, but who will ask the courts, I will start with you after the break.
05:20 By the way, you have made me lose my temper that if five years later we are listening to Bhatti Sahib's legal analysis, then only Allah knows.
05:28 [Laughter]
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