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00:20 Welcome into another edition of the Big Ten show.
00:23 He's the almost famous Adam Carriker, former NFL defensive end.
00:26 I am the much less famous Jeff Turner as we get ready for what should be a spectacular
00:31 weekend of Big Ten football with so much on the line, including that Ohio State Michigan
00:36 game.
00:37 How you doing, Adam?
00:38 I'm glorious, dude.
00:39 Thanksgiving week is my favorite week of the year.
00:42 Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday.
00:43 Let's light this candle.
00:44 So the Ohio State Michigan game is the game.
00:48 It's the biggest rivalry stacked up next to things like Auburn, Alabama, maybe USC, Notre
00:54 Dame.
00:55 But real quick, when you were playing, what was the biggest rivalry game for you?
01:00 Oh, well, the game at the end, like that I played in or that just was in college?
01:05 No, you played it.
01:07 So it was supposed to be, you know, being a Nebraska, I was supposed to be Colorado.
01:11 I mean, seriously, we look at them as the little brother.
01:14 They hate us.
01:15 Okay.
01:16 They won't even allow red in their football building.
01:18 It always meant more to me for one reason.
01:20 My sister, older sister married into a Colorado family and they did nothing but this all year
01:27 round.
01:28 So if you go back and look at my career, three of my best games are against Colorado, not
01:32 because I cared about Colorado, but because I didn't want to hear this all year round.
01:37 Now you take that one family out of the equation and they're awesome, but you take them out
01:41 of the equation.
01:42 I hated Texas.
01:43 Okay.
01:44 And when we got the opportunity to play Oklahoma, that still felt like the big rivalry to me
01:48 as a Nebraska guy.
01:50 So I didn't obviously play college football for me as a Miami fan.
01:54 It was always Miami and Florida state.
01:56 Like nothing compared to that week as a fan.
01:59 And I'm sure Ohio state, Michigan fans feel the same this week.
02:03 We got a special guest joining us today.
02:05 Dr. Scott Strasburger, orthopedic surgeon, Syracuse area health.
02:09 We're going to talk about some injuries in football and how players come back.
02:13 Blake Corum is one of those that came back.
02:14 Remember he only played two games, two plays in this game a year ago and did not play in
02:20 the college football playoffs.
02:21 We're going to ask about some of those things.
02:22 He'll be joining us in a little bit, but I do want to start with that game because heading
02:26 in, we've been talking about it all year.
02:28 It was going to be awesome.
02:29 ESPN analytics has Michigan as a 55% chance to win this game.
02:35 It's supposed to be on Saturday, 37, partly cloudy in Ann Arbor.
02:40 According to ESPN bet, Michigan is minus three total 46 and a half.
02:45 And as we know, Michigan has won the last two matchups between these teams, Ohio state
02:50 ranked second, Michigan ranked third.
02:53 Both teams are undefeated.
02:54 Both teams have eight, no records in conference.
02:56 Both teams are 11 and oh, if I was to say, give me some early thoughts on what will be
03:01 X factors for either team.
03:03 What comes to mind?
03:05 For me, I wrote down four things here.
03:07 Okay.
03:08 I went back and I looked at Ohio state schedule because they've not been uber impressive when
03:12 you just watch them from an, do they impress me standpoint?
03:16 The answer is no.
03:17 And, and they've got the win over Notre Dame, which now is a three loss team.
03:20 And it was a three point win at the end of the end of the game when Notre Dame chose
03:24 to play with 10 guys on the field.
03:26 And then they were clearly the better team versus Penn state.
03:29 They look like they were way better than eight points, better than Penn state yet.
03:33 The only one 20 to 12 yet.
03:35 They only beat Notre Dame, 17, 14.
03:37 Here's the deal.
03:38 Ohio state's a good football team.
03:39 I know they're one of the top 10 teams in the country.
03:41 I just, I've never bought into them being a legit CFP contender.
03:46 Just did.
03:47 Now you look at Michigan, you look at Ohio state.
03:49 Okay.
03:50 I think JJ McCarthy gives Michigan a huge advantage over Ohio state and Blake Corum.
03:54 If you remember that Penn state game, Blake Corum actually didn't look good.
03:57 It was Marvin Harrison that was kind of saving their bacon on offense because he had some
04:01 erratic throws.
04:02 Now he had the big drive at the end versus Notre Dame.
04:04 Gotta give him kudos there.
04:06 I think the offensive line for Michigan is just a lot better than Ohio state's.
04:10 I think Michigan up until the Penn state game, they'd actually been winning games by throwing
04:15 the ball.
04:16 I don't think people even realize that then Penn state all of a sudden really good defense.
04:21 We're just going to line up 55,000 alignment as tight as, and we're just never going to
04:24 throw the ball in the second half and we can beat you that way.
04:27 So to me, that's something that Michigan can do that.
04:29 I don't know that Ohio state's going to be able to do Ohio state's defense.
04:33 We'll keep them in this game and give them a shot.
04:36 Michigan's defense is obviously very good, maybe better.
04:38 Okay.
04:39 But it's, it's their skill guys on offense, Marvin Harrison, Jr.
04:42 and Mecca, their skill guys on offense and their defense keeping it close is what's going
04:47 to keep this game interesting.
04:49 In my opinion, what say you?
04:50 You know, I think time of possession is going to be huge here, keeping the ball out of it.
04:54 And I know you, you meant to say McCord in that game against Penn state, you got Blake
04:58 Corum on your mind.
04:59 You said Blake Corum.
05:00 No, I just wanted to make sure that we understand Blake Corum's not throwing the ball to Marvin
05:03 Harrison.
05:04 That would be very unique.
05:06 And he may on a flea flicker somehow Marvin Harrison's playing defense.
05:09 We don't know.
05:10 Things crazy happened in this game.
05:12 In all seriousness, I think the ability, and we saw in the second half for Michigan against
05:16 Penn state where they ran the ball every single time, they did not pass one time that they're
05:20 going to be able to maybe control possession and the clock.
05:24 And by doing so, they keep that high powered a wide receiver duo off the field.
05:29 And by doing so, I think they can really wear down that defensive Ohio state.
05:33 The last couple of years, Ohio state's defense hasn't been as good as it is this year.
05:38 And I also think too, you know, this is maybe the one game where Harbaugh's absence may
05:43 come into play a little bit more because Ryan day is a really good head coach.
05:46 You and I talk about that all the time and maybe some of the in-game adjustments that
05:51 you would normally see from Harbaugh aren't going to be applicable in this game.
05:55 And so maybe Ryan day can make those adjustments and that would be very fascinating.
05:59 I think to see sort of how that plays out as the game goes on, because these last two
06:03 games, I really haven't felt like Harbaugh's absence has messed with Michigan.
06:07 You make a great point with Harbaugh because I do think Ryan day is a really good coach,
06:11 despite all the heat that he's taken over the years due to incredibly high expectations
06:15 being handed what urban Meyer had built.
06:17 So on and so forth.
06:18 He is a very good in-game coach and Michigan's going to be without Harbaugh, although it
06:22 was their offensive coordinator, the Wolverines that decided to, Hey, let's just run the ball
06:26 a million times.
06:27 Let's line up 50,000 alignment as tight ends and let's do this.
06:30 And it worked because he knew it would.
06:32 Here's the other thing I think people forget.
06:34 People are like, man, Michigan won the last two years in a row.
06:38 They've won by 20, I think it was 15 and then 22, if I'm correct, a year ago, like it's
06:42 been double digits, multiple possessions that the score has been separated by.
06:47 But halfway into the fourth quarter last year, it was a one score game.
06:50 Okay.
06:51 And a couple of years ago, it wasn't really until late in the second half that Michigan
06:54 pulled away to win by 15 and pulled away to win by 20 plus.
06:59 So I wonder if part of that was, was a toughness thing for Ohio state, but also motivation.
07:04 They have to be insanely motivated.
07:06 They have to be sick and tired of hearing guys like me who've been saying what I've
07:09 been saying all year that I don't know that they're that good.
07:13 Everyone's talking about how Michigan's tougher.
07:15 They got to be Uber motivated to go out and win this game too.
07:17 No, I agree with you.
07:18 And I'm going to have you real quickly take your pick here.
07:21 Who has more passing yards this year?
07:23 McCord or McCarthy?
07:24 Well, I'm going to go with McCarthy.
07:27 Just you're right.
07:28 You're you're you're all of every game.
07:31 You're incorrect.
07:32 Um, uh, McCord has 2,899 yards passing.
07:35 McCarthy has 2,300.
07:36 Who has more touchdowns?
07:37 McCord or McCarthy?
07:38 Well, I'm going to go with McCord.
07:40 Yep.
07:41 22 touchdowns to 18.
07:43 McCarthy.
07:44 Who has more interceptions?
07:47 McCarthy takes care of the ball really well.
07:48 So I'm going to go with McCord.
07:51 Uh, incorrect.
07:52 They both have four.
07:54 All right.
07:56 All right.
07:57 How many more touchdowns does Coram have than Henderson?
08:03 So okay.
08:04 All right.
08:05 In my defense, we had an incredibly late night last night.
08:08 No, I just, I always show up to every show insanely over prepared to the point to where
08:14 you roll your eyes at me.
08:16 The one day I get up 30 minutes before the show and I've still got two pages of notes
08:22 here.
08:23 No, I want just to answer the question.
08:24 I'm like, Jeff has always been very topical.
08:26 He never want to go as in depth and then you want to go in depth.
08:28 The one time.
08:29 How many more touchdowns does Coram have than Henderson?
08:34 Rushing the football.
08:35 Well, Henderson has been banged up.
08:37 Although Coram shares carries with Donovan Edwards.
08:40 I feel like you're giving me a trick question.
08:42 I'm going to go with Henderson has more.
08:44 No, not even close.
08:45 Coram has double 20 to 10.
08:47 Okay.
08:48 Here's the final one.
08:49 Okay.
08:50 Who has Marvin Harrison has more touchdowns than Roman Wilson, but you would think it'd
08:54 be more than what it is.
08:56 How many more touchdowns does Harrison have than Wilson receiving?
09:01 I don't know.
09:02 But the next time you do this, you got to give me a heads up because you're always the
09:03 guy that never wants to go into that.
09:06 It's about time after all these episodes, I think we're on to episode 40 that I hit
09:10 you with the stats and I throw you off a little bit.
09:12 So no, I have.
09:13 But I look at them.
09:14 I don't quiz you on them.
09:15 Yeah, that's great.
09:16 I know.
09:17 I know.
09:18 That's what I do.
09:19 So that's what I love about this.
09:20 You're going to see the passing game for Ohio state, as you mentioned.
09:23 And I wanted to bring that up because I think you're exactly right.
09:25 And then you're going to see the running game for Michigan and those two stylistic offenses
09:30 that are different from each other are going to collide.
09:32 And I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
09:34 Real quick.
09:35 What's your pick for the game?
09:36 Well, I'm going to go with Michigan.
09:37 I've I've I've obviously I'm not been on top of the stats, but I've watched a ton of football
09:42 with both these two teams, whether it's the Penn State game for both teams, whether it's
09:46 Maryland, whether it's Rutgers with Ohio State a couple of weeks ago, whether it's I've watched
09:50 a ton of football with both these teams.
09:52 I'm going to go with Michigan.
09:54 I think they're more diverse on offense.
09:56 I think they're all lines better.
09:58 And I think I do think having the home field advantage is going to help them just a little
10:02 bit.
10:03 I don't think it'll be a route.
10:04 I don't know if it'll be 15 or 22, but I'm going to go with Michigan.
10:08 I'm going to go with Michigan as well.
10:10 Should be a lot of fun coming up on Saturday.
10:12 We're going to get to the entire slate of Saturday games in just a second, but excited
10:16 to be joined by our special guest today, orthopedic surgeon at Syracuse Area Health.
10:20 Dr. Scott Strasburger joins us now on the Big Ten show.
10:24 Scott, welcome in, man.
10:26 How are you doing today?
10:27 Hey, Jeff.
10:28 Thanks.
10:29 Great to be with you again.
10:30 Hey, man, we are happy to have you on the show.
10:32 And we're going to jump around to a lot of different things.
10:34 But your expertise, I think in today's game where we see injuries, but recovering from
10:40 injuries quicker than we've ever seen before is pretty fascinating for the average fan.
10:45 And it's applicable, I think, to some games coming up this weekend.
10:48 I want to start with Blake Corum because a year ago in this game between Ohio State and
10:53 Michigan, he only played two plays.
10:55 And the report was he tore his meniscus, didn't play in the college football playoff, but
10:59 comes back this year and has 20 touchdowns.
11:03 For the average fan that hears meniscus versus ACL, what are the major differences from recovering
11:09 from that injury and coming back to playing running back in college football?
11:13 Well, obviously, coming back and playing college football is a significantly different situation
11:21 than the meniscus we typically think about.
11:24 A lot of times when we hear about meniscus tears, we're thinking about guys from your
11:27 age to my age.
11:29 And they literally get these degenerative tears where the meniscus starts to age a little
11:34 bit.
11:35 And in that circumstance, we just go in there and simply remove the diseased portion of
11:40 the meniscus.
11:41 In younger athletes, guys in their teens and early 20s, when you hear about a meniscus
11:46 injury, we're usually talking about a main chunk of the meniscus, some significant substance
11:52 of the meniscus.
11:53 And in that incidence, we like to consider repairing that.
11:56 We don't like to take out meniscus tissue in young healthy athletes because then you
12:01 start to alter the contact pressures of the knee.
12:06 And then that's when early degenerative changes can be seen.
12:10 Meniscus injuries are associated with ACL injuries commonly.
12:13 And a lot of times, it's not the ACL injury that determines the recovery.
12:23 A lot of times, it's the secondary trauma, the trauma to the meniscus, which is more
12:31 important than the ACL injury itself.
12:34 So he went through a pretty standard recovery.
12:36 His performance this year, I mean, the kid's a phenomenal athlete.
12:40 His performance doesn't surprise me.
12:43 He's gone through an adequate recovery period.
12:45 The meniscus heals in a similar fashion, recovery-wise, to an ACL.
12:52 The meniscus doesn't have a great blood supply, so oftentimes, it takes 12 to 16 weeks for
12:56 that meniscus to fully recover.
12:58 But I'm not surprised by his performance this year at all.
13:02 So for a guy like me who has a meniscus tear, because I've lived with it for nine years,
13:07 I'm just sick of having surgeries, I've had 11, I got a turkey bowl.
13:10 This is a big deal in my house in two days.
13:13 How cautious should I be with my meniscus tear?
13:16 I've played with it for the past nine years.
13:17 But I want to feel like I can walk the next day after the turkey bowl.
13:21 What are some of the precautionary things I can do before the game and after the game
13:24 so I can feel better?
13:25 Well, the problem with you, Adam, is your competitiveness.
13:29 I don't care who probably shows up for that game on Thursday, but the intensity of your
13:36 play will determine probably the likeliness that you will be limping around Friday morning.
13:42 Well, I'll ignore the fact that I haven't worked out for six months.
13:46 Okay, serious question.
13:47 The knee braces.
13:48 I doubt that.
13:49 Yeah, as a former D lineman, I would watch these offensive linemen and they had to wear
13:54 these knee braces.
13:55 It was mandated by the head coach.
13:57 And then I actually had to wear them for one spring.
14:00 And then they got rid of them, thank God, because I hated them.
14:02 How much of a difference can those knee braces make for the offensive lineman when they put
14:06 them on as far as protecting their knees from meniscus tears, ACL tears, and the like?
14:12 Well, the studies actually show that in linemen, the injury that probably is prevented or protected
14:19 the most is MCL injuries.
14:22 You know, the linemen, oftentimes, they're standing a guy up and a second athlete falls
14:26 on the outside of their knee and they get an MCL injury.
14:30 So that's probably the studies shown that wearing braces for linemen can help prevent
14:37 or lower the severity of that injury.
14:40 As far as ACL injuries and meniscus injuries, braces probably help the coaches and the parents
14:45 more than they do the athlete.
14:50 Braces really haven't been shown to significantly decrease the incidence of ACL injuries in
14:56 football players or any of the other activity in sports.
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15:14 Dr. Scott Strasburger with us here, orthopedic surgeon at Syracuse Area Health.
15:18 You know, a big hot topic in football over the last handful of years has been the difference
15:22 on what they play on from turf to grass to the hybrid stuff that we see out there.
15:28 What are you guys seeing as far as the correlation from the surface that people play on to the
15:33 number of injuries that we're seeing out there on the field?
15:37 Well, the surfaces are a very important factor.
15:40 The surface we used to play on at Nebraska was incredibly sticky.
15:45 So the new surfaces, especially the new artificial surfaces, Jeff, have a built-in forgiveness.
15:52 They have certain materials they put in the artificial turf and also with some of these
15:58 other turfs that they're using that allows for a little bit of forgiveness.
16:01 That's really important for decreasing the incidence of pivoting injuries, you know,
16:06 which typically if you see athletes get injured on a surface like that, they're often non-contact
16:11 where the patient is just planting their foot and the ligament gets away.
16:16 But the true decrease in injury is seen with concussions.
16:20 You're not seeing the bounce off the surface that we used to see.
16:23 You know, we're seeing progression in the technology of helmets, but the progression
16:27 in the technology of turf has been vitally important in decreasing the incidence of concussions.
16:34 I'm curious specifically about a team like Nebraska because they've had such a crazy
16:39 amount of injuries on their offense.
16:41 Okay, they've only got, as of a couple weeks ago, they only had four day one starters that
16:46 were healthy enough to start.
16:48 Now they've had some guys come back since then, but they were down to their third string
16:52 quarterback.
16:53 Part of that was due to the first two guys being hurt.
16:54 Part of that was by choice.
16:56 Their fourth string quarterback is now starting because their first, I'm sorry, running back
16:59 is now starting because their top two running backs were out.
17:02 The third guy having issues hanging on with the ball.
17:04 60% of their whole line was out at one point.
17:07 Two of their top wide receivers was out.
17:09 So my question is, is something like that, is it just a little bit, is it fluky?
17:14 Is it bad luck?
17:15 Does that come back to the strength of conditioning?
17:17 Like what in your opinion would lead to a team have so many injuries on one side of
17:21 the ball in one season?
17:22 You know, football is a contact sport, Adam.
17:25 You know this and we have had bad luck.
17:29 You know, most teams practice in a similar fashion nowadays.
17:34 So the incidence of injuries in practice can be variable depending on the intensity of
17:39 your practice.
17:40 I once had a high school soccer team, parents and coaches started calling me because they
17:46 had seven girls in one season tear their ACLs.
17:50 That's not training.
17:51 That's not coaching.
17:52 That's just bad luck.
17:54 You know, you put a bunch of kids out on the field and they start running at each other,
17:58 things happen.
18:00 So we haven't had great luck with regard to the injury bug this year.
18:05 Most of that is just bad luck.
18:06 You know, obviously the better conditioned athlete will sustain injuries less than a
18:12 non-trained athlete.
18:14 But this year we've just had a lot of bad luck.
18:16 Dr. Scott Strasburg with us here, orthopedic surgeon, Syracuse Area Health, getting a lot
18:21 of great information.
18:22 We've got about 60 seconds left and I want to end on this.
18:25 It has nothing to do with college football, but there is a man in the NFL that tore his
18:30 Achilles back at the beginning of September.
18:33 And yesterday it was reported that Aaron Rodgers was jogging around and in the next two weeks
18:37 he's going to be back at practice and he wants to come play some football as long as the
18:40 Jets are in it.
18:42 This defies like logic, science and everything else.
18:45 Is this man going to put himself in harm's way?
18:47 Like what is going on with Aaron Rodgers' Achilles that is different than every other
18:50 human to walk this planet?
18:53 Well Aaron's Achilles injury was a low injury and because of that they were able to augment
18:59 or reinforce the repair using a new technique that's been developed.
19:04 We put a suture in there that helps stabilize the torn ligament a little bit more securely
19:11 than we have in the past.
19:13 And this allows a much greater or much more intense and quicker recovery.
19:18 In the old days, you're absolutely right Jeff, we used to put people in a short leg cast
19:23 for three to six months.
19:25 Sometimes they'd even put in a cast that went up to your groin.
19:28 We didn't start any rehab activity for at least six to 12 weeks, sometimes even 18 weeks.
19:34 We were looking at a year-long recovery.
19:36 With Aaron's situation, he came out of his cast at two weeks or a little bit less than
19:42 that, and started range of motion.
19:44 We've actually found that some of these injuries heal a little bit more quickly and a little
19:49 bit more securely if we stress them during the recovery.
19:53 So the worst thing you can do for some of these tendon injuries is completely immobilize
19:57 them.
19:58 So allowing Aaron to be a little bit more aggressive has allowed him to come back.
20:03 And granted, they will be incredibly careful with his recovery.
20:07 But there are certain circumstances now where we can be much more aggressive.
20:12 I bet you see Aaron play before the end of the year.
20:16 Unbelievable man.
20:17 Modern technology, man.
20:18 Medicine, it is awesome.
20:20 These two ding-dongs just became much more smarter, Scott.
20:23 Thank you so much for giving us all this information, man.
20:26 You have a wonderful weekend and hope to do it again.
20:28 Thanks so much, Scott.
20:29 Happy Thanksgiving.
20:30 Enjoy the show, guys.
20:31 Thanks.
20:32 Dr. Scott Strasburger joining us from Syracuse Area Health, orthopedic surgeon.
20:38 Unbelievable man.
20:39 Great information there.
20:40 We have four or five minutes left in the show.
20:42 But real quick on the Rodgers thing, man.
20:45 You played this game.
20:46 You had teammates that tore Achilles, I'm sure, at some point.
20:49 The fact that he played three, four months, not even, three months after he ended up tearing
20:56 that Achilles is insane in that game.
20:59 It's mind-blowing to me.
21:01 It's almost like I'm watching an unrealistic movie.
21:04 Like, oh, you know it's a movie because that's not realistic.
21:07 That's almost how this feels.
21:08 Plus, this isn't a 22-year-old guy.
21:10 This guy's been in the league for about a minute times 80 minutes.
21:13 Okay, by the way, this ding-dong is now terrified to play in the Turkey Bowl because he talked
21:17 about being in shape.
21:18 Athletes won't get hurt.
21:19 I'm screwed.
21:20 You are screwed, man.
21:21 Absolutely.
21:22 I'm in trouble, man.
21:23 Yeah, you're definitely screwed.
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21:29 Appreciate that interview.
21:30 That was great.
21:31 All right, let's run through these games quick, man.
21:33 We got a few minutes.
21:34 With all due respect to Indiana and Purdue, outside of Indiana, Purdue, the parents, and
21:39 I don't even think the fans care anymore, Purdue is minus three and a half.
21:43 I'm just going to take Purdue to win the game.
21:46 What's your pick?
21:47 Such disrespect.
21:48 This is the worst team in the Big Ten West versus the worst team in the Big Ten East.
21:52 This is the anti-Big Ten championship, and I think Indiana loses it because they're going
21:57 to win it, which means Purdue wins the title of the worst team in the Big Ten because Indiana
22:01 actually plays a little defense.
22:03 The battle for the Northeast of the Big Ten happens on Saturday afternoon between Maryland
22:08 and Rutgers.
22:09 Both these teams are bowl eligible.
22:10 They're just trying to get to a better bowl with their seventh win of the season, and
22:14 I think that kind of puts Maryland on par with where they thought they'd be, maybe a
22:17 little bit below it.
22:18 But Rutgers, I think, to get to seven wins would be a bumper.
22:20 That means they pick up their fourth win in the Big Ten.
22:23 Maryland on the road is a one-point favorite.
22:25 I like Maryland to win this game with their passing attack.
22:28 Pretty much identical seasons, both six and five, both three and five in the Big Ten.
22:34 Maryland's lost five of six.
22:35 That only one was versus Nebraska.
22:37 This is game is being played up in Piscataway.
22:40 The only team up here that plays defense is Rutgers.
22:42 I'm going with Rutgers.
22:43 The battle for Illinois, Northwestern and Illinois.
22:46 Illinois has to win to become bowl eligible.
22:49 They're at home and are a five and a half point favorite.
22:52 Everybody has slept on Northwestern all year long, and rightfully so in a lot of cases,
22:55 but I think they get their seventh win of the season.
22:57 I think that they're able to force some turnovers.
23:00 The Illinois quarterback has thrown 13 touchdowns, but also thrown 10 interceptions.
23:04 I think they get a couple of picks.
23:06 I think they increased that number to 12.
23:08 I think the five and a half point underdog, the Wildcats, get to seven wins.
23:12 Who would have thunk it?
23:13 I was surprised to see, first of all, that Illinois was favored.
23:16 Then the spread is five and a half.
23:18 The word ridiculous entered my mind.
23:20 Now, they might win, but I was like, "Wow."
23:22 I've been saying it for two to three weeks.
23:24 Northwestern gets their seventh win, and they beat Illinois.
23:27 Final game that we're going to hit on Wisconsin and Minnesota, the battle for Paul Bunyan's
23:31 axe.
23:33 Minnesota has to win to become bowl eligible.
23:36 Even becoming bowl eligible, I think it's a disappointing season considering what Minnesota
23:39 was hoping to accomplish with that schedule.
23:42 They take on Wisconsin.
23:43 They are home for that game at Huntington Bank Stadium.
23:46 Wisconsin is a two and a half point favorite.
23:48 I'm taking the Gophers at home to win this game and get bowl eligible.
23:51 The fighting P.J. Flex, row the boat and take the axe.
23:55 All right, so this game is at home.
23:57 I said it before the year.
23:59 I didn't think Minnesota was all that talented, even though they are well coached.
24:02 I think Wisconsin is more talented, probably well coached.
24:06 I think we're still learning about Luke Fickle, but the biggest thing is Wisconsin is healthy.
24:09 Tanner Mordecai is back.
24:10 Braylon Allen is back.
24:12 I'm going with Wisconsin.
24:13 There you have it.
24:14 There's the run through.
24:15 There's all the games.
24:17 We're both going Michigan in the game.
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