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The Garden Report airs live after the Celtics 6th game of the season vs the Minnesota Timberwolves. Tune in the Celtics Postgame Show with Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely and John Zannis as they share their takeaways from Boston's 6th game of the season!  0:00 Instant Reaction 13:00 Jrue Holiday struggles with no Derrick White 17:30 Anthony Edwards TAKEOVER 24:30 Kristaps Porzingis struggles vs Rudy Gobert 27:00 Both teams played hard + Could Ant win MVP? 32:45 Robert Williams needs knee surgery  This episode of the Garden Report is  is brought to you by:  Fanduel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering parter of the CLNS Media NetworkRight now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! So, visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season. FanDuel, Official Partner of the NFL. 21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $5 pregame moneyline wager required. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  With HelloFresh, you get farm-fresh, pre-portioned ingredients and seasonal recipes delivered right to your doorstep. Go to https://HelloFresh.com/CLNS50 and use code CLNS50 for 50% off plus FREE SHIPPING!  ODDS-R! Ever wished you could navigate the betting field with the confidence of a pro? Enter OddsR. They're not a sportsbook, but they're the sports betting advisor you've always needed. It's like having a playbook for smarter bets right in your pocket.Especially since Garden Report listeners get a 30-day free trial! Elevate your game day and join the smart betting revolution! Go get it at https://oddsr.com/celtics  #Celtics #NBA￼ #GardenReport #CLNS

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00:00 Celtics post game show.

00:01 - Wah wah.

00:03 No longer undefeated Bobby.

00:05 - It's a loss and it's a night John determined ahead of time

00:08 he wouldn't be here for,

00:10 but I bet he's regretting it.

00:11 - Oh totally.

00:12 He's punching air right now.

00:14 - A rough overtime loss,

00:16 warranted of some John negativity.

00:19 And is it panic time?

00:21 - We'll find out.

00:23 We'll get to the panic portion of the show.

00:25 I think, I think,

00:27 I think it's fair to wonder if time to panic.

00:30 (laughing)

00:31 - So I watched most of this game Jimmy,

00:33 seeing the runs go against them,

00:35 seeing them not playing their best.

00:37 And just shrugged a little bit.

00:40 It's a tough team,

00:41 middle of a road trip

00:43 and the Celtics got into some weird foul trouble.

00:45 The officiating was a little off in this one.

00:47 I felt like too, that got to them a little bit.

00:50 - Well, don't make excuses.

00:51 - But I'm not making excuses.

00:52 - Minnesota was dealing with,

00:53 Minnesota's two key guys were dealing

00:55 with foul trouble too.

00:56 - Right.

00:57 The end of the game and we can start an overtime

01:01 was brutal.

01:01 - Let's start from the back.

01:02 - Three back to back to back,

01:05 wasted positions,

01:06 just led right into Edward's jump shots.

01:09 He was incredible.

01:11 Completely stole this game from Jason Tatum,

01:13 who was great in the first half

01:15 and kind of faded after halftime.

01:16 Lost the ball to him,

01:18 lost the jump ball to him.

01:19 - Well Tatum had a strong fourth, I thought.

01:21 - Yeah, overall though,

01:23 not what you're looking for out of the MVP leading candidate.

01:26 I mean, he ends this one 12 to 22,

01:29 two of eight from 30.

01:31 Six turnovers.

01:33 - So the turnovers were one thing.

01:35 The overtime execution or lack thereof sucked

01:39 from all sides.

01:39 And obviously once again,

01:41 late in the fourth quarter,

01:42 that one kind of slipped by them.

01:44 But on offense,

01:46 I won't cut you off, Bobby, finish.

01:49 - No, I just was taking a look at his stat sheet.

01:52 Not what you're looking for out of him.

01:54 No, I mean, I thought Tatum did what he could

01:57 in that fourth quarter when they've been going

01:58 with Tatum in the bench unit.

02:00 He was doing what he could to...

02:03 Celtics, listen, this was a loss,

02:07 but this wasn't a loss due to lack of effort,

02:09 I didn't feel like, from the Celtics side of things.

02:11 Minnesota played their asses off tonight.

02:13 And this was probably their biggest win

02:16 with that core, I would say.

02:17 - Ever.

02:18 - Maybe, I mean, this is a statement win for this team.

02:22 I mean, I think a win like this

02:23 kind of puts them on the map a little bit.

02:25 At least makes, I think, puts the NBA on notice.

02:27 - Not their plan, remember their plan win

02:29 where, who is it, Beverly jumped on the scorers table.

02:33 - Yeah, all right, that one counts.

02:34 But this is one of the types,

02:36 this is the type of win that you get early on in the season

02:37 that gives you the type of confidence to come back.

02:38 - They destroyed the Nuggets too,

02:40 earlier this week or last week.

02:42 - Right, so there you go,

02:43 the two NBA favorites right there that you took down.

02:45 So this is a team not to be messed with.

02:47 They play, obviously they play super hard on defense.

02:49 They're considered one of the best defensive teams

02:51 in the league right now, defensive efficiency.

02:54 And they've got guys like Anthony Edwards,

02:57 who is a superstar.

02:59 What's up, Joe Swayze, speaking of superstars.

03:00 - Oh, I appreciate that, thank you, Jimmy.

03:02 - Yeah, I got you, you're my guy, I got you.

03:04 - You're the best intro ever.

03:05 - But the thing that was frustrating

03:06 with this Celtics loss, it wasn't effort,

03:09 but it was falling back into bad habits

03:12 that we've seen last year.

03:13 And what I mean by that is the ISO ball,

03:15 the hero ball that we saw in the overtime, really,

03:18 late in the fourth quarter.

03:19 - They started late in the fourth too, yeah.

03:21 - Yeah, they stopped moving the ball around.

03:23 Porzingis went almost non-existent

03:26 and it was Tatum's turn and then Brown's turn.

03:29 - I was screaming about the Porzingis stuff, wasn't he?

03:32 Like he's like, "Get him involved!"

03:33 - I was screaming about that.

03:35 No, I was screaming about the extra passes,

03:38 but then Jalen did the opposite, right?

03:40 He finds Drew down low for the layup.

03:42 I said, "Oh, that's perfect."

03:42 - That was a nice play.

03:43 - Yeah, and then Tatum had a big play.

03:46 Jalen came up with a defensive stop.

03:48 So yeah, it was unfortunate, but I don't know.

03:50 There was some of that hero ball for sure,

03:52 but I don't know.

03:53 - In overtime it felt like.

03:54 - In the overtime, yeah, that's true.

03:56 In the fourth quarter.

03:57 - Let's face it, a lot of the team's success so far,

04:00 and I know they've done some great things in the post.

04:02 They've shot well.

04:03 They've gotten different guys to contribute,

04:06 but a lot of their success offensively so far

04:08 has come in isolation, one-on-one,

04:11 winning those battles, Tatum especially.

04:13 And with all the shooting success, similar to last year,

04:18 and I know it's not the same story,

04:20 I did wonder what would happen

04:22 when the shooting came back down the earth a little bit.

04:24 You see it tonight, 28% from three.

04:26 Some of the individual efforts offensively faded.

04:29 There were some other factors in there too,

04:30 but they've ranked in the bottom 10

04:33 of total passes so far, Jimmy.

04:35 And it's something to watch.

04:38 There were a few stats I was looking at

04:39 going into this game.

04:40 They haven't forced many turnovers.

04:41 They're last in that.

04:42 They did that tonight, but coming into tonight,

04:44 they were last in that.

04:45 That isolation has been a big part of their success so far.

04:49 And as we've talked about,

04:51 the bench scoring really isn't there

04:52 with this team right now.

04:53 And you're missing Percet in this game.

04:56 You get a little bit from Hauser,

04:57 and that was pretty much it from the second unit.

05:00 - That was it.

05:01 And that's the unfortunate reality, I think,

05:04 of the bench unit with the Celtics team.

05:06 And you're going to get the occasional production

05:08 from Pritchard and Cornette, every blue moon.

05:13 - Cornette was solid tonight.

05:14 - You were.

05:16 - You don't have to do that every game, Bobby, but okay.

05:19 - Solid, solid distress, but he played.

05:21 Cornette played.

05:22 He wasn't horrible.

05:24 But the point is, the bench, you can't counter the bench.

05:27 And that's just a reality of the situation with this season.

05:31 And Celtics made their bed when they made the trades

05:34 that they made and the moves that they made

05:35 in the off season.

05:36 So that's just what it is right now.

05:37 And they were without Derek White tonight, too.

05:43 So your bench is really thin now, right?

05:46 Because you really can't afford one or two guys

05:50 missing in most of these games.

05:51 - When did Pritchard make a shot last?

05:54 It's getting to be a long run for him

05:56 without making a shot.

05:58 - The draw is real, for sure.

06:00 - He's struggling.

06:01 He's a problem.

06:02 I don't even want to get into him right now.

06:03 We'll talk about Pritchard a little bit.

06:05 - Let's start with your thoughts, Shotsuai.

06:06 What stood out most to you about this one?

06:09 - I just thought the fourth quarter,

06:11 when they started just sparring up,

06:12 I felt like they had the Timberwolves on the ropes.

06:16 And I just felt like it came down

06:18 to the late game execution.

06:19 I wasn't crazy about the Hauser play at the end, especially,

06:22 but it shouldn't even have gone down to that,

06:25 if you ask me.

06:25 I don't know.

06:27 It's that tough balance of,

06:28 do you call a timeout in that situation

06:30 or do you want to cast the opposing team on their heels?

06:32 And I thought it might've been a better chance.

06:35 It would've bettered your chances

06:37 if you called that timeout,

06:38 especially because of the way things were

06:39 leading up to that.

06:40 Yeah, you got that run

06:41 and you sort of made that mini comeback

06:43 with those two big stops at the end of the fourth quarter.

06:46 But I thought that was a really good opportunity

06:48 for the Celtics to regroup.

06:49 But going into overtime, I wasn't thinking,

06:50 "Oh, they're going to lose this for sure."

06:52 I mean, you got to get out to a better start.

06:54 And it kind of reminded me of the way

06:56 they came out of halftime, right?

06:57 And that was a big pattern of last year's team as well.

07:01 Sometimes you didn't quite know

07:02 what team was going to come out of halftime

07:03 and all of a sudden they found themselves

07:05 on the wrong end of like, you know,

07:06 eighth of two run or whatever.

07:08 And I felt like that was obviously the case

07:10 in overtime for the Timberwolves

07:11 where Anthony Edwards just started cooking

07:13 and took advantage.

07:14 - It's a good point.

07:15 They went into halftime rough

07:17 and then they came out of it pretty poor.

07:20 So those ending beginning quarters--

07:21 - It's the third time I've seen this happen

07:22 where they come out of halftime like that.

07:23 And that was a big, big, you know,

07:26 habit of last year's team.

07:28 - Yeah, 'cause they were great to start the second quarter.

07:30 I think they went up by as many as eight

07:32 and then Edwards gets going a little bit there

07:34 and some turnovers and you're basically

07:38 going into halftime up three

07:40 and then they come out of it with the Rudy L-yoop.

07:42 Edwards and one dunk and Gobert kind of had his way

07:47 with Porzingis in this one,

07:49 which is probably what surprised me most.

07:51 Finishing through him, overpowering him inside,

07:53 on the glass, giving him some real problems.

07:56 I thought Rudy was really good in this game.

07:58 We're going to talk a lot about Edwards,

07:59 obviously, closing the game and making big shots.

08:02 But Rudy, especially with Nas Reed,

08:05 who was incredible in this game,

08:07 I thought off the bench,

08:08 once Towns got in the foul trouble,

08:10 those guys really put some pressure on Boston's interior.

08:12 And he ended up with really rough nights for Porzingis

08:15 and Al Horford, who was so good in Brooklyn,

08:17 I thought struggled immensely in this one.

08:20 And the tough play, way,

08:22 catching that ball, made it two for one

08:24 and he just kind of fell out of bounds.

08:26 - That's really uncharacteristic of him though.

08:27 But yeah, that didn't help.

08:28 Obviously, it didn't help the case, but yeah.

08:30 - He finishes this one one of five with three points,

08:34 four assists, five rebounds,

08:35 but a couple of turnovers and four fouls,

08:37 trying to defend inside.

08:39 A ton of foul calls in this game,

08:42 disjointed pace, the lineups were weird,

08:45 the rotations were weird early on.

08:47 I mean, you saw Mahaluk in the game.

08:49 - Yeah, we got an early call.

08:50 - You saw Lamar Stevens get one stint

08:51 and then he was out of there.

08:52 O'Shea Brissett didn't play in this one either.

08:54 So Joe was looking for stuff.

08:56 - It was a strange Joe game.

08:57 - He was looking for stuff

08:58 and he really couldn't find a throw.

08:59 You had a problem with him tonight though, Jimmy, didn't you?

09:03 - I mean, well, the one thing everyone's talking about,

09:06 and I had some people text me about is,

09:08 he didn't call a timeout at the end of the fourth quarter.

09:09 I'm actually, I was actually okay with that.

09:12 Me too, okay, so we agree there.

09:14 I did think, and the reason why I'm fine with that

09:17 is because you're already playing,

09:19 you're playing one of the best defensive teams in the league.

09:21 Why allow them to set up?

09:23 Why allow them to get the substitutions they want?

09:25 - And James got a good look, he did.

09:27 - He got a great look, he should have hit that shot.

09:29 I mean, if you go back and watch that shot,

09:32 he had put on a great move and he had a wide open three

09:34 at the three point line.

09:35 It wasn't like a 35 foot or anything.

09:37 He was right at the three point line

09:39 and he had a clear look and it rimmed out.

09:41 And so if that shot goes down, everyone's praising Joe

09:44 for not calling a timeout for the same reasons

09:47 we just mentioned.

09:48 So I'm not really upset about that,

09:49 but I thought in overtime,

09:50 he could have done a little bit more to maybe

09:53 squell things a little bit.

09:54 - So why did he call the timeout in overtime?

09:56 That was the one I had a problem with.

09:58 And I think a lot of people did

09:59 because it came way too late, 114, 109.

10:03 - It was after the 7-0 run.

10:05 - After the 7-0 run.

10:06 - They never scored, they didn't even,

10:07 that was your final score.

10:08 - They didn't cut off Edwards' run at all.

10:10 And Edwards actually got another good look at it.

10:11 - No, there was two plays.

10:12 Yeah, it was a nine to two run, right?

10:15 And then he called.

10:16 - Yeah, yeah, 'cause you had a couple of free throws.

10:18 - How do you not call it after the 7-0 run?

10:20 - He let Edwards get all the MVP chance in the building

10:23 going before he even called it.

10:25 - The place was rocking.

10:26 And then, you know what I have a problem too?

10:29 And this has kind of been a little bit of a trend.

10:30 I don't have the numbers in front of me,

10:32 but you come at a timeout down five

10:34 and Hauser just kind of threw the ball away.

10:37 - What was that?

10:38 - Just non-factor play.

10:40 And then to throw it back to that Horford play

10:41 we mentioned at the end of the fourth,

10:43 you come at a timeout setting up a two for one

10:46 and Tatum's all frazzled, overthrows him a little bit

10:49 and Horford fumbles the ball

10:51 and it just turns into a turnover.

10:53 And on this night where you actually forced 24 turnovers,

10:56 you pretty much matched them with 18.

10:58 So they were out of control.

11:00 And Joe, you know, he always talks about

11:02 having a free flowing offense

11:03 and letting these guys kind of structure themselves.

11:05 But the one time you want to see him having them look

11:08 put together, if that's going to be your approach,

11:11 are out of timeouts.

11:12 And those two timeouts didn't set up anything.

11:14 - Yeah, no, for sure.

11:18 And I wonder if he's going to figure that out,

11:22 you know, on his own

11:23 or that's going to be something that Sam Cassell

11:26 and the rest of the coaching staff is going to say,

11:27 have to kind of pressure him into saying,

11:29 hey, we got to call a timeout.

11:30 And I don't want to make this a

11:32 Joe Mazzulli needs to call a timeout thing,

11:33 but you guys know what I mean, right?

11:34 Those end of the game plays,

11:36 like he's going to have a few in the bag ready, you know?

11:38 And I feel like Mazzulli just hasn't,

11:40 especially with this group, right?

11:41 This regroups roster.

11:44 He hasn't had those plenty of plenty.

11:46 He hasn't had many of those opportunities

11:47 where he's had to drop a crucial play

11:50 with the game tied or something like that.

11:52 - What was I going to say?

11:55 Oh, about Porzingis.

11:57 And Bobby, you mentioned, you mentioned Gobert.

11:59 Was Gobert taking Porzingis out of the game

12:03 or were they just not looking for Porzingis enough

12:06 when they probably had more opportunities to,

12:08 especially like late in the game there?

12:10 I know Porzingis got what he had,

12:12 a little bit of foul trouble there.

12:13 - He had five fouls pretty early.

12:15 - Yeah, he had a little foul trouble,

12:16 but I mean, he was still, when he was out there,

12:20 I just didn't think he was involved enough.

12:22 And certainly in overtime.

12:23 - No, especially because you want to pull Rudy out of the post.

12:26 - Well, exactly that.

12:28 So if Rudy's being that effective down low,

12:29 what do you have, 14 and 12 tonight?

12:31 And I think he led, I think he led the team in plus minus.

12:34 So of course he had an effect on tonight's game.

12:36 He did get dunked on pretty damn hard

12:38 by Jaylen Brown as well.

12:40 - That start was great.

12:41 That was probably the best part of the game for Boston.

12:43 - We can't forget that.

12:45 And then Brown crossed him up pretty hard too,

12:47 but couldn't hit the shot.

12:48 But that being said, Gobert-

12:50 - Yeah, Gobert solid.

12:52 - Yeah, he did.

12:53 Needed that shot to follow.

12:54 - Jaylen was solid tonight, I thought.

12:57 Probably your best player.

13:00 You know, Tatum had the strong start.

13:01 Second half could have been better.

13:03 Horford rough night, Porzingis rough night.

13:06 - Holiday's shooting-wise, dunk.

13:08 - Holiday had a rough one.

13:09 And with Whiteout, you go minus 19 with him on the floor.

13:12 A key late turnover too.

13:14 He had six assists, 11 rebounds,

13:16 and he was active and aggressive in the paint,

13:17 but couldn't hit a three.

13:19 And missed a few bunnies in there, honestly,

13:20 when he did get inside.

13:22 So, you know, you get a lot of praise early

13:27 and he's been a big part of their success so far,

13:29 but this is one where they need a little bit more from him.

13:32 - Bobby's benching him.

13:34 - No, but they're missing Derek right now.

13:37 And I thought they missed him on Saturday too.

13:39 Joe Sway actually told me before the game,

13:41 he was like, "They're going to miss Derek tonight.

13:42 People are going to see."

13:43 And the Nets gave you similar issues in that game

13:46 in terms of just kind of keeping the Celtics

13:48 more on their toes, playing more erratic.

13:50 And honestly, with Holiday,

13:52 some good stuff in the pick and roll in this one,

13:54 but you can definitely see when he's running the offense,

13:58 there's still a little bit of that,

13:59 getting used to his teammates

14:02 or just figuring out where guys' spots are

14:04 and overall just commanding the offense.

14:06 'Cause they had to go to Tatum at point

14:08 quite a bit in this game.

14:09 And that, I think, took him out of this one as well.

14:11 We've talked a lot about how a lot of Tatum's success

14:14 with the team so far this year

14:16 has come away from the ball,

14:18 but he was back on it tonight,

14:19 logging some heavy minutes,

14:20 trying to create because Holiday

14:22 didn't do the best job with it.

14:24 In fact, I don't think anyone in this game

14:26 did a good job setting down the offense when they needed.

14:28 And to White's credit,

14:31 he's probably been the best of anyone

14:33 at doing that this year,

14:34 whether with a good pass or a big shot.

14:36 - Facts, my dog.

14:40 - So maybe he'll be back Wednesday.

14:43 That's when the Celtics are gonna play again

14:45 against these Sixers here.

14:47 - I hope so.

14:47 So Derek White had his kid, right?

14:50 - He was probable tonight for this one.

14:53 - They showed a picture of him with his child.

14:55 So very happy for Derek White.

14:56 - Congrats.

14:58 - And now it's time to play in the next game.

15:01 - I don't know what happened there.

15:04 - That's enough, man.

15:05 Why don't you go down to Philly and help these guys.

15:08 - I have to imagine it was some travel issues, right?

15:10 - He probably didn't wanna go to fucking Minnesota, man.

15:13 I don't blame him.

15:14 - Maybe they just came the night off, I don't know.

15:16 - Yeah, he probably didn't wanna go to Minnesota.

15:18 He wanted to just hang out with his kid.

15:20 I don't blame him.

15:20 - We won't know.

15:22 Honestly, who cares?

15:23 We should have been able to take care of this one

15:24 without him, but Celtics lose.

15:26 We'll get your thoughts.

15:27 Jimmy's man in the chat.

15:29 John's out tonight.

15:29 Shara taking a night off as well.

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17:05 We're gonna talk a little bit more about the game here.

17:07 A little bit of an abbreviated show tonight

17:09 before I head down to Philly for the next one here.

17:13 And we have some unfortunate news

17:15 on the Rob Williams front we'll get to as well here

17:17 out in Portland.

17:18 So where should we go next Josue?

17:21 Anyone else you wanna bring up out of this one?

17:23 - I mean, what did I miss in the first couple of minutes?

17:28 What were you guys getting into?

17:30 - We were blown away by Edwards obviously.

17:32 I don't know what more you could have done

17:33 to contain this guy, but the isolation scoring

17:35 was ridiculous.

17:35 The transition runs, the passing from him.

17:38 - We could have doubled them more Bobby.

17:39 I felt like it's another thing that Mizzou didn't do

17:41 until it was too late.

17:42 As soon as they started to put a little bit more pressure

17:44 on him, he turned it over.

17:46 And then he had to find other guys on,

17:48 obviously you gotta find other guys at that point.

17:50 And yeah, the guys like McDaniel stepped up

17:52 and they hit some shots.

17:53 - McDaniel was at a big part of it.

17:55 - You had Towns foul out of the game.

17:57 So he wasn't in there as an option.

17:58 Conley's Conley.

18:00 He's not the offensive guy that he once was.

18:04 Go Bears, nothing on offense really,

18:07 unless he's in the pain area.

18:09 And I felt like they let Edwards do too much.

18:12 And I think that's, if you're gonna criticize Missoula,

18:15 it's one, again, the same story

18:17 with the timeout situation.

18:18 And again, I'm not really talking

18:19 about the last play of the game,

18:21 but over time I thought it got away from him.

18:23 And it's not making enough adjustments

18:27 on the defensive end to contain Edwards when he got hot.

18:30 And you can combine those two criticisms

18:33 because he could have also called the timeout.

18:35 If they weren't gonna do anything to stop him on the court,

18:39 then stop the game and let this guy like sit it out

18:42 for a second.

18:43 Because I thought that that was when the game got out.

18:46 Obviously that's when the game got to the point

18:48 where it's out of reach.

18:49 And Edwards was, everybody knew that Edwards

18:52 was the hot hand in that moment.

18:55 And they didn't do enough, in my opinion, to contain him.

18:58 - Just to cool him off, yeah.

18:59 - You have an excuse on offense where you're saying,

19:02 we're playing for the bigger picture.

19:04 We're trying to establish habits.

19:06 We're trying to get these guys playing together

19:08 and figuring each other out.

19:09 So you don't want a heavy hand when it comes

19:11 to the coaching on offense, fine.

19:13 But defense, you're making those calls from the sideline.

19:16 Double teams, traps, whatever it might be.

19:20 And you didn't see enough of them.

19:22 - When you saw them put pressure on Minnesota,

19:24 they were creating turnovers.

19:26 When they went full court, they created a turnover.

19:30 And typically they've had success

19:31 when they've got ball pressure on.

19:34 Now again, no Derek White.

19:35 So that's one of your key guys with the ball pressure.

19:37 But you can't tell me that they didn't have guys out there

19:42 that could have doubled to get the ball

19:44 out of Edwards' hands.

19:45 You just can't.

19:46 - No, and a missed opportunity too, Josue.

19:47 He picks up a fifth foul.

19:48 You line him up with Tatum.

19:50 And there's plenty of time throughout the overtime period

19:53 to run another play, to target him,

19:56 and take advantage of what would probably be

19:58 very lax defense from him trying to avoid the sixth foul

20:01 or foul him out of this game.

20:03 You had a goal and opportunity there

20:05 and really couldn't take advantage of it.

20:06 So add that to the list of offensive dysfunction

20:09 down the stretch there.

20:10 It was tough to watch.

20:11 - Yeah, I mean, that's something they gotta figure out.

20:13 But I also feel like, you know, Missoula's gonna-

20:15 - Think of how much they've been posting up, Josue.

20:16 You couldn't get them in a post up?

20:18 - Yeah, yeah, that's true.

20:20 - Yeah.

20:21 - And the fouls were played on the stretch too.

20:23 You didn't expect that.

20:24 But I mean, just going into that overtime,

20:26 you kind of get the sense that it's gonna come down

20:27 to the wire, but then Minnesota comes out

20:29 and just comes out with these haymakers

20:31 and they just never recovered.

20:33 - The thing about Edwards, and again,

20:35 this is something that Joe should have stressed

20:37 'cause this has to be in the game plan.

20:40 He's an emotional player, a very emotional player.

20:42 Sometimes that's a good thing,

20:43 and sometimes that's a bad thing.

20:45 I would say you could call him immature

20:47 in some ways out there.

20:48 So when you know that he has five fouls,

20:51 you get to play him hard.

20:52 You gotta be physical around him.

20:54 Let him get emotional.

20:55 Let him get physical back with you.

20:57 Draw that extra foul and get him out of the damn game.

21:01 Don't let him do whatever the hell he wants out there.

21:03 And I thought that that was something

21:05 that the Celtics didn't focus on enough.

21:06 You know, they got Cat out of that game

21:08 and there was no reason why they couldn't

21:09 have at least put a little bit more effort,

21:11 be a little bit more physical.

21:13 And again, not to harp on it,

21:14 but bring the double team, get him frustrated.

21:17 I mean, the one thing Edwards did wrong

21:20 was that heat check that, you know,

21:22 basically the fans begged him to take and he air balled it.

21:24 So he's still capable of boneheaded plays,

21:27 but you have to almost egg him on a little bit to do that.

21:29 And I just didn't think they did that tonight.

21:32 - A comment that mentioned it here as well.

21:34 A big reason you went to overtime in this game

21:36 was hacking Gobert late as they did.

21:39 And I think he went-

21:40 - That was a bold, bold call by Joe.

21:42 I mean, I guess-

21:43 - That was the big one that worked out for him.

21:45 - Yeah. - Yeah, that's true.

21:47 - Did you agree with that in the moment?

21:48 - Yeah, I liked it.

21:50 He wasn't close all night and he ends two for 11 there.

21:53 So they probably could have done more of that

21:55 in the fourth quarter and taken him out of the game

21:57 completely if he was going to keep missing those.

21:59 That certainly would have broken up

22:00 some of those Minnesota possessions down the stretch,

22:02 but the Celtics just honestly started fouling a ton.

22:05 And again, you can have some grips with officials

22:08 on ones here or there out of this one.

22:09 I thought it was a weird game officiating-wise,

22:11 but you got that great shot clock violation.

22:14 You hack Gobert, he missed two free throws in the tie game,

22:17 and then Brown hit a big three,

22:19 but you give it right up on the other end

22:21 with McDaniel's three.

22:22 And as we talked about,

22:23 just lost possessions down the stretch, a holiday turnover.

22:26 Tatum took a quick two.

22:28 You had the Horford turnover and then the Brown three,

22:32 which again, Jimmy, we were both fine with that one.

22:35 But overall, you were in a really good position

22:37 to win this game, given the Towns foul trouble,

22:41 given the Gobert free throw issues.

22:42 I mean, how many free throws did Minnesota miss in this one?

22:45 That was your big lost opportunity.

22:47 12 missed free throws.

22:49 - And how many turnovers did Minnesota have tonight, Bobby?

22:51 - 23.

22:52 - And you couldn't win that game.

22:54 - That's tough.

22:56 That's tough.

22:56 You can make all the excuses you want in the world

22:58 for the Celtics out of this one,

22:59 but the Wolves handed them golden opportunity

23:02 after golden opportunity here in this one,

23:04 and the Celtics couldn't capitalize.

23:06 And this picturesque start to the season,

23:08 I think had some fragile underlying stats

23:13 and other factors, I think,

23:16 that made it a little less imperfect

23:18 when you actually looked into it here.

23:19 And now you're about to get into some tough games.

23:23 Philadelphia on Wednesday,

23:24 the second best Nate rating in the league.

23:26 Brooklyn on Friday, a team that just played you tough

23:28 and is going to get three stars back,

23:29 probably for that one, maybe.

23:31 And then, I believe Saturday's against the,

23:36 either Raptors or Bulls.

23:37 So, you're starting to ramp up a little bit here, Jimmy,

23:40 that the, you know,

23:41 Indiana's without Halliburton's and Washington's

23:44 of the world are in the rear view.

23:46 - Well, you know what?

23:47 - Toronto on Saturday.

23:48 - Shout out to Philly,

23:50 because they're playing pretty good basketball right now.

23:52 - Really good basketball.

23:53 - Yeah.

23:54 - Right, but at least that's the back-to-back, though,

23:55 those Friday, Saturday games.

23:57 They're back-to-back.

23:58 - And you're going to be missing guys

23:59 as we bring up the depth again.

24:01 So, Horford will probably sit one of those games,

24:02 and Joe has talked about wrestling some guys

24:05 over a big stretch of games here.

24:06 So, maybe that's why White was out tonight.

24:08 Who knows?

24:09 Korzingis had the opportunity to sit this one out

24:12 and played, through his eye-style, whatever that was.

24:15 But, he's out there, Horford's out there.

24:19 Why double big in this one?

24:20 I don't know how you feel about that, Jimmy.

24:22 - I'm not surprised.

24:24 - Listen, I'm not surprised because, well, listen,

24:26 don't forget, they didn't have White tonight,

24:28 so they have to do that more.

24:29 - Right. - Yeah.

24:30 - Obviously, but Minnesota's big,

24:32 they're physical, they're long.

24:34 They obviously play really, really hard,

24:37 so you need to bang with them.

24:38 And so, you need to be playing bigger.

24:41 And so, I just thought that was what the Celtics

24:43 didn't do enough of tonight.

24:44 - Do you have concerns?

24:46 - It's so nice.

24:47 - Do you have concerns about Korzingis

24:48 with these bigger, physical, burlier centers?

24:51 - A little bit.

24:53 Not that he can't keep up with those guys.

24:56 - It's not his game.

24:57 - But sometimes he gets a little,

24:58 like you give him a couple of up-bakes,

24:59 and he'll bite.

25:00 He'll get in foul trouble.

25:01 He'll, you know.

25:03 - He's been fouled out of that Miami game.

25:05 - Right, and I feel like those are the games

25:06 where he gets out of whack on offense

25:09 because he's stacking fouls on defense.

25:12 He's checking in and out of the game.

25:13 So yeah, I mean, I feel like when you see him

25:14 in that type of environment,

25:17 where it's a Bam Adebayo, or tonight, a Rudy Gobert,

25:21 you don't always get the full offensive production

25:23 that we've been seeing in every other game.

25:25 - Yeah, I mean, is it, did you say, is it a concern?

25:31 - I mean, as you said, it's one of his weaker parts

25:34 of his game, and I don't think he was brought on this team

25:37 to bang down low with some of those big guys.

25:39 - And he's gonna face some big on Wednesday.

25:41 - Gobert's a defensive, reigning, you know,

25:43 multi-year defensive player of the league for a reason.

25:46 You know, so it's a tall task, no pun intended,

25:50 but I think you gotta play to Porzingis' strengths.

25:55 You can't forget about him, you know?

25:57 And I just felt like tonight was maybe the first time

26:00 where I kind of felt in a situation

26:02 where they could have used him,

26:03 maybe they just didn't enough.

26:04 And again, that might be a situation

26:06 where Joe needs to get a little bit more vocal

26:07 and not let the players do so much dictating

26:10 of what goes on out there on offense.

26:12 - That was definitely the case tonight, wasn't it?

26:14 - Yeah. - Yeah, totally.

26:15 That's reminded me of last year a little bit.

26:17 - Yeah, but last year he couldn't get away with it, right?

26:19 'Cause it was the first couple of weeks,

26:21 and you know, he was thrusted into that position,

26:23 so he was trying to, you know,

26:24 get his feet wet, so to speak, but this year--

26:26 - He was getting criticism.

26:28 - This year, you can't really use that.

26:30 Like, oh, I'm still trying to adjust to the position.

26:33 - No, and he won't. - No, absolutely not.

26:35 - I'm interested to see what he said after this game.

26:37 Keep an eye out for the quotes on the Twitter log.

26:40 - I'm gonna post something.

26:41 I was smiling earlier.

26:42 What do you guys think about it?

26:44 - What was it?

26:44 - It was a quote from Mazzullo.

26:46 He used the word sick, and that made me smile.

26:49 - I'll read it.

26:51 Joe Mazzullo said he would have taken this loss

26:54 much harder last year, but hopes this serves as a lesson,

26:57 but he loved the competition.

26:59 Quote, "That was an awesome game.

27:03 "What a game, that was sick."

27:05 Sounds like that's what he said.

27:06 So I would agree.

27:07 I mean, I gotta tip my hat to both teams.

27:10 - It was a good game.

27:11 - As Sherrod likes to say, quoting Rasheed Walsh--

27:14 - Both teams played hard, I was thinking that.

27:16 - Both teams played hard.

27:17 And I was kidding.

27:18 I mean, both teams did play damn hard.

27:21 They both made the comebacks in their own right,

27:22 up four, down four, up five, down five, whatever it was.

27:27 Fought hard and went into overtime.

27:28 And I mean, I gotta tip my hat to Minnesota

27:30 because they're an up and coming young,

27:33 they're gonna be a tough out.

27:34 Whoever ends up with them in the first round,

27:37 that's gonna be a dog fight 'cause they play hard.

27:39 And the fans are into it there.

27:41 When Nas Reid came into the game,

27:43 it felt like, you know,

27:44 it sounded like KG was coming into the game

27:46 based on what it sounded like on the broadcast.

27:48 They love him there.

27:49 And, you know, again,

27:50 I think they still have some maturity issues

27:52 maybe to get over, but Conley's a big addition

27:54 to help there with the leadership.

27:55 And McDaniels is one of the best, you know,

27:58 defensive guards in the league too.

28:00 So they're gonna be a tough team for sure.

28:04 And gotta give them credit.

28:06 - They might have the best chance to beat Denver at West.

28:09 Could Edwards challenge Tatum in this MVP race?

28:13 - No, right.

28:14 I mean, I don't wanna sound like, you know,

28:17 like Homer or whatever,

28:19 because of the team he plays for and all that.

28:21 I'm not trying to throw any shade towards-

28:24 - I think Edwards could certainly have an MVP.

28:27 - He's had a heck of a summer/beginning

28:29 of the regular season.

28:30 So I'm not trying to, you know,

28:31 but it's the team, you know,

28:33 which by the way, did you guys watch the pregame show?

28:37 - No.

28:37 - They did this like prediction thing

28:39 when they did like, you know,

28:40 what the Celtics record gonna be,

28:41 how far they're gonna get in the playoffs.

28:43 This computer says it's gonna come down

28:45 to the Timberwolves and the Celtics

28:46 and the NBA finals and the Celtics-

28:48 - Ooh.

28:49 - So maybe I'm wrong.

28:51 I mean, if the Timberwolves-

28:53 - Which would be something.

28:54 - Become a top seed in the Western Conference,

28:56 then yeah, Anthony Edwards for sure has a chance at MVP.

28:59 - They have all the makings of it,

29:00 but then you look at Towns and how he played in this one,

29:03 and it's just like, oh,

29:05 they're not even gonna get close

29:07 if he's doing this kind of stuff.

29:09 I mean, he was a no-show in this game.

29:10 What, seven turnovers, all the fouling.

29:13 - He had like a good five minute spurt though,

29:15 where he was-

29:16 - He had a couple shots in a row,

29:17 but then the Celtics challenged, right?

29:18 And took that potential and one off the board from him.

29:22 So-

29:23 - And then you had Catt like chucking threes.

29:25 Like, yeah, it's a mess down there.

29:26 - He dropped the ball in this one big time.

29:28 But Anthony Edwards,

29:29 don't deny the MVP potential here, Josue.

29:32 - No.

29:32 - 28 points a game after tonight,

29:35 seven rebounds, five assists,

29:38 47% from three, 52% from the field.

29:41 He's at a monster start.

29:43 - Monster start, he's-

29:45 - And he stole this game.

29:47 - Oh, for sure.

29:47 - Going to be a playoff team, obviously,

29:49 and they're gonna surprise and entertain a lot of people,

29:51 I think, this year.

29:53 But I don't know if he,

29:54 I just don't know if he's,

29:55 he would have to have,

29:56 really have an unbelievable season to end up with MVP.

30:01 I just don't know if he's gonna get that far yet.

30:01 - I just don't get the sense that Minnesota knows

30:04 that this Catt and Gobert thing is a disaster.

30:07 - They gave Nash Reed an extension.

30:08 - They're trying to convince themselves

30:09 that it's not the case,

30:10 but it's like, 'cause they're in a tough spot.

30:13 Like, they're not,

30:14 their trade value,

30:15 either one of those guys don't really have high trade value.

30:17 So it's like, what are you-

30:18 - I tried to give Catt the benefit of the doubt,

30:21 but I think I'm out on Catt.

30:22 - No, I'm out on Catt.

30:23 That deal was on my fantasy team.

30:25 I am O-U team.

30:26 - Yeah.

30:27 (laughing)

30:28 - I've had a close relationship with him over the years.

30:30 - When he's playing like this.

30:32 - He seems like he doesn't have a great attitude.

30:35 Obviously, Jimmy Butler would probably agree with that.

30:38 But-

30:39 (laughing)

30:40 - And he changed into the league, so good.

30:41 - Or KG, KG would too.

30:43 - Yeah, I mean-

30:44 - Remember the first impressions of him, I mean-

30:46 - Who has really ever said anything glowingly

30:48 about the guy?

30:49 I mean, I don't know,

30:50 maybe I missed it, but I just feel like

30:52 he probably should be better.

30:53 And also I'll say this,

30:55 he needs to lay off the sugar.

30:56 His face is looking a little chubby.

30:59 - A little chunky.

31:00 - Yeah, I think the added sugar content

31:03 needs to come down a little bit.

31:04 That's my take.

31:04 (laughing)

31:05 - I had high hopes for him.

31:06 - Jimmy could just tell, he's like, "No, that's sugar."

31:09 - As he's gotten better shooting the ball,

31:11 and he made that ridiculous claim too

31:13 about his all-time status and that,

31:15 that was just an eye roller.

31:17 - What's that?

31:17 - It just shows that he's the best

31:18 at screaming- - Biggest shooter ever.

31:20 - But to me, that just screams insecurity.

31:22 It's like, "Oh, okay, you would say that."

31:23 (laughing)

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32:33 Here's the news everyone's been waiting

32:37 to talk about here tonight.

32:39 I did a little hit on it earlier,

32:40 so I'll get your guys' thoughts.

32:41 - Twins.

32:42 - Robert Williams, right knee surgery

32:46 in his future.

32:47 They're debating options right now,

32:49 but Jared Weiss reported along with Shams today

32:52 that this could be a neat season ending surgery

32:55 for Rob out there,

32:56 just games into his Trailblazers career.

32:59 - Jeez.

32:59 - Just about a month removed from his trade

33:01 from the Celtics.

33:02 And I was saying earlier, Jimmy,

33:04 imagine if he was in Boston right now

33:07 and all of a sudden you're looking at season ending surgery,

33:11 it'd be an all out panic show tonight.

33:12 - I think this is what kept Braston--

33:15 - He wouldn't be on the show either.

33:16 He would be dead set.

33:17 - I think the weekend of the trade,

33:18 this is what kept him up at night.

33:19 'Cause he was like, look, if this happens,

33:21 I will never forgive myself for not trading

33:23 for Drew all day, for not pulling the trigger.

33:25 So I feel like this is sort of like,

33:27 I don't think Brast smiling right now,

33:28 but obviously he's like, man,

33:30 like that was probably the best decision.

33:33 - You don't think he's smiling right now?

33:33 - No, no one's happy to see--

33:35 - No, he's not smiling right now, Jimmy.

33:37 - Obviously, you said it, not me.

33:39 - Oh, I thought you were trying to say like maybe he is.

33:40 - No, I get what you mean, Joe Swade.

33:42 He got away with one, but no, no, yeah.

33:44 - You look at this news and you say,

33:47 this is why you can't rely on him.

33:49 You feel bad, you wish it would go better for him.

33:51 You could always see this comment.

33:53 - Okay, along those lines,

33:54 I don't think he's calling up his buddies being like,

33:55 yo, you hear about Rob?

33:56 Like, you know what I mean?

33:57 I don't think he's like, you know,

34:00 it sucks because we know the potential, you know,

34:02 we've seen it and outside of that, you know,

34:05 runs to the NBA finals,

34:06 which didn't even end the way we would have liked it,

34:09 you know, in terms of Ross production, right?

34:11 But that was the best version we saw,

34:13 we witnessed, you know, last year,

34:16 it was a lot of setbacks.

34:17 And I think Brad Stevens at the end of the day

34:19 made a decision that he thought was best for the team

34:22 this year and in his future.

34:23 It wasn't just about this season.

34:24 I think he looked at it as something,

34:27 if something comes up again, you know,

34:30 I'm not gonna be able to collect assets

34:32 from someone like Rob, you know?

34:33 And as a GM, he has to think like that.

34:35 So I think, you know, given the pressure, right?

34:38 'Cause this wasn't something

34:39 that he had a week to think about.

34:40 He had to think fast and that weekend

34:43 and that 48 hour window.

34:44 And I clearly, you know, you look at this

34:48 and you say he made the right decision.

34:49 - Bobby or Josie, did you guys see the injury?

34:52 Like how it happened?

34:54 - Well, it happened two days ago.

34:56 It happened, he left the game early.

34:58 - Right, I didn't know if it was--

35:00 - He was diagnosed.

35:01 - Very obvious, like the injury,

35:03 could you could see it and everything,

35:04 but anyways, regardless.

35:05 - Oh, I thought you meant if it just happened like tonight.

35:07 Oh, okay.

35:08 - No, no, no, I know you walk,

35:09 I know, I remember when he left the game,

35:11 I just didn't know if you guys saw the play,

35:13 but regardless, listen, is it sad?

35:17 Yeah, of course, because drafted by the Celtics,

35:21 I think every Celtics fan grew to, you know,

35:24 at least love the idea of Rob.

35:27 Some of us loved Rob a lot more than others,

35:30 but we all wanted to see the guy succeed.

35:32 So it sucks that, you know, he's got another knee injury.

35:35 Is it a surprise?

35:37 I can't say I'm surprised.

35:38 And, you know, not to sound harsh,

35:41 but it's not Celtics problem anymore.

35:44 And that did have to be a thought.

35:47 - You relied on him, Jimmy.

35:49 - Right, exactly.

35:50 You relied on a guy that was unreliable.

35:53 And somebody said it, I think it was in a chat or a show,

35:58 and they said he lacks kinesthetic awareness

36:03 or something like that.

36:04 - It was John.

36:05 - John didn't say that.

36:07 Somebody said it to John and John said,

36:09 "Yes, that's exactly what it is."

36:11 And we were like, that's the word we were looking for.

36:14 And it's true.

36:14 So I don't know if that's what happened here,

36:17 but it's happened over the past.

36:19 He just, unfortunately, some guys are more likely

36:22 to get injured than others.

36:23 And Rob Williams has been that guy.

36:25 And hopefully, listen,

36:26 hopefully this is the last knee injury he ever has

36:29 and he comes back healthy.

36:30 But it's, for what the Celtics are trying to do right now,

36:34 they need all hands on deck.

36:36 And yeah, sure, Porzingis has his injury history as well,

36:38 but I think you take that risk

36:40 because the ceiling is higher right now with Porzingis.

36:44 He can give you more.

36:45 And right now you have a championship caliber team,

36:48 Drew Holliday, same deal.

36:49 He can, he's in a win now mode

36:51 and they had to do what they had to do.

36:53 And now, listen, if Williams was on this team,

36:56 Rob was still on this team.

36:58 Oh man, Bobby, you're right.

36:59 This would be, we wouldn't even be talking about this loss.

37:03 - No, and you're very fortunate.

37:04 - John would be on right now.

37:05 John would be closing.

37:07 - You're very fortunate the Holliday opportunity came on

37:10 because number one,

37:11 the Celtics weren't looking to trade Rob.

37:13 Number two, you got a starting level player back for him.

37:17 And number three.

37:18 - Well, bench level if you ask you, but go on.

37:20 - Number three,

37:22 you found a team that really liked Rob.

37:27 And in the weeks after the trade,

37:29 I did hear that Portland was looking for three, four

37:32 first round picks worth of value here.

37:35 And would they end up giving it to,

37:36 so they view Rob is worthy of being a first round pick value.

37:40 They really, really liked him.

37:41 And that worked out because you remember we debated,

37:44 would you give up Al?

37:45 Would you give up Rob?

37:47 - Yeah.

37:48 - And I said, Al has been better than Rob to this point,

37:50 like year in year out.

37:51 And for all the talk about his age has been in the lineup

37:55 every night when it's not a back to back.

37:57 So this is going to be another year where

37:59 if things go smoothly, Horford performs better than Rob,

38:03 simply on availability alone.

38:05 - Sure.

38:06 And that's, you can't deny that.

38:08 You absolutely cannot deny that.

38:09 Al has been much more available.

38:11 He's been reliable and now he's going to be reliable

38:14 off the bench, assuming they're healthy.

38:16 Robert Williams is, it's all about, it's Rob's stonk.

38:22 It's all been about the promise, the hype,

38:24 the highs, right?

38:27 That Rob has, right?

38:28 And with Al, you kind of know what you're going to get

38:30 at this point.

38:31 He's extremely serviceable to this team

38:34 and can help them win a championship.

38:35 And Robert Williams, again,

38:37 you couldn't rely on that availability factor.

38:42 And at the end of the day, that's the biggest ability

38:46 or whatever that saying is.

38:47 Best ability is availability.

38:49 - Yeah.

38:49 - Do you think he can get back on track, Josue?

38:51 - What's up?

38:52 - Do you think he can get back on track?

38:54 - I think he can, but it's just,

38:55 it's another unfortunate setback.

38:56 I mean, he's, I wouldn't say he's approaching 30,

39:00 but it's around the corner now, right?

39:02 This isn't like a few years ago.

39:04 - He's 26.

39:05 - Right, but I mean, by the time he-

39:07 - It happens fast.

39:08 Boys, it happens fast.

39:09 One second.

39:10 - Yeah, exactly.

39:10 Thank you, Jimmy.

39:11 Like he rants back up.

39:12 I know Bobby's looking at 26, like, oh, that's four years.

39:16 And four years go by fast,

39:17 especially if he's, you know,

39:19 to sit out for the rest of the season and rehab

39:21 and do this whole thing all over again.

39:22 - He's got to work hard now.

39:23 He's going to work hard off the court and stay conditioned.

39:26 And that's something that-

39:27 - And mentally that's tough.

39:28 - Especially if you just had that kind of injury.

39:30 - And now he's in a different part of the country

39:32 that, you know, maybe he doesn't have

39:33 the same support system.

39:34 I have no idea, but-

39:35 - It's a great point.

39:36 - It's an ongoing narrative of his career, you know?

39:37 So it doesn't get any easier, obviously.

39:39 And mentally, it's probably even worse, right?

39:43 - Yeah.

39:43 - So he's got to uphold that.

39:44 - Brutal news.

39:46 - I mean, the Blazers are in no rush,

39:49 are going to be in no rush to get the guy back.

39:51 They obviously are not in win mode right now.

39:53 They want to make him,

39:54 they want to see him make a full recovery

39:56 and, you know, hopefully that'll be,

39:59 I have no idea like what,

40:01 I guess they haven't really said what the timing-

40:03 - They haven't decided what the streak is going to be.

40:05 - Several weeks. - By the way,

40:07 - A couple weeks or whatever.

40:09 - The other former Celtic out there, Brogdon,

40:12 not shooting well, but 18, seven and 11 last night,

40:15 running the show, you know,

40:17 building a big lead in the fourth quarter.

40:19 The Grizzlies almost fell to 0-7 in this game, by the way.

40:21 They needed a 24-2 run to carve out their first win.

40:25 So there's your former Celtic update all in one loop.

40:30 - Smart got his first win.

40:32 - By the grit of their teeth, waiting that game.

40:35 They were down 10 with like four minutes to go.

40:38 So, Brogdon's probably going to miss the rest of the season.

40:42 You know, they're still deciding

40:44 what they're going to do here,

40:45 but not good news out of Portland for him.

40:48 If you were a fan of him

40:49 or you want to continue seeing him do well out there.

40:51 And obviously we do wish him the best out there.

40:54 He was exciting Celtic, a lot of potential, as Jimmy said,

40:57 but this was often the result right around the corner

41:01 from his big successes.

41:04 Final thoughts, guys.

41:04 - I think we had locked up GM of the year today.

41:07 - Right.

41:10 - Final thoughts, man.

41:11 Time to bounce back in Philly.

41:12 Send a message, let them know which team

41:14 is the best in the division.

41:15 As if they don't know already,

41:17 but this is the first time they're going to see

41:18 this new look with the role players involved.

41:21 Old friend, Marcus Morris, who I'm sure-

41:23 - He's going off right now.

41:25 He's having an athletic return of his own.

41:27 - And you know what?

41:28 I want to see how he does against that backcourt

41:30 because it's an ongoing issue for him against the Celtics.

41:32 And I don't think it's going to get much easier

41:34 when you got Derek White and Drew Holiday

41:36 now to deal with from Boston.

41:38 So I'm expecting, I'm hoping,

41:40 with what this team has shown us already,

41:43 even though this one was a loss,

41:45 I would expect a bounce back win in a big way.

41:48 Maybe not a blowout win,

41:49 but I would love to see them win comfortably, honestly.

41:52 And yeah, especially again, with these new players

41:55 that are going to be clear to play since the trade happened.

41:58 I'm sure Marcus Morris is thrilled

41:59 to represent his Philadelphia,

42:01 born and raised native, Philadelphia native.

42:04 So I'm sure he's going to add another threat, I feel like,

42:09 you know, in the sense of just trash talking,

42:12 trying to get in people's heads.

42:13 He's going to be that guy.

42:13 It's just, that's kind of who he is, right?

42:15 So I'm excited to see that.

42:16 And obviously Celtics Sixers, to quote Dwellin B,

42:20 is not really a rivalry,

42:22 but in the old sense of-

42:24 - The Embiid-Porzingis matchup is going to be something

42:27 to watch.

42:28 - I love seeing it.

42:29 Yeah, for sure.

42:29 And it's not preseason this time, so.

42:31 - And that'll be interesting.

42:32 Do they start Horford against him, put him on him?

42:35 White, you have to think will be back, Jimmy,

42:37 but that'll be an interesting thing to watch

42:39 going into that game,

42:40 'cause Embiid could really give Porzingis some issues.

42:42 - Yeah, that's true.

42:46 - That's what Embiid does.

42:47 I mean, it's a tough back to back,

42:49 tough back to back matchups for Porzingis.

42:53 - I feel like John just created a TV.

42:55 Embiid gives everyone issues.

42:57 - Yeah, exactly, right?

42:58 So.

42:59 - No, I'm just talking about-

43:01 - No, I know what you mean.

43:01 - To see him against that kind of guy, yeah.

43:04 - But Porzingis is a big boy.

43:06 Porzingis is a guy who can score from all over the court

43:09 and he has to be aggressive about that too.

43:11 - He has to give Embiid issues.

43:12 Great point.

43:13 - Exactly.

43:14 - Yeah.

43:15 - Exactly, he has to give Embiid issues

43:15 and make things difficult for him.

43:16 We got a quote from Tatum that we'll read to you guys

43:19 before we sign off here.

43:20 This is from, this is transcribed from Ahmed.

43:23 So it says, "Jason Tatum laughed when asked

43:25 "what went wrong in crunch time

43:27 "in the Celtics first loss of the season.

43:29 "Quote, 'haha, yeah, just had way too many turnovers.

43:34 "'I gotta do better, we all gotta do better.'"

43:36 That was from a tweet from Jared West.

43:38 - He said, "haha."

43:39 - He said, "haha, everyone's having a good time.

43:41 "We got the loss, haha."

43:43 No, listen, I mean, I guess my parting thought would be,

43:48 don't fall back into the habit of losing games

43:51 like you did last year with the bad turnovers

43:54 and the lack of execution and the no timeouts

43:56 and the da, da, da, da, da, da,

43:57 all the stuff that we can just rewind from last year.

44:00 I don't think that's what's gonna happen here,

44:02 but this is like that little PTSD that I get

44:05 when I see something that reminds me of something

44:07 that's haunted my dreams for a bit.

44:09 So I don't love to see this loss.

44:11 There are things about it that I'm okay with.

44:16 I liked the Jalen Brown look at the end of the game.

44:18 It just rimmed out.

44:19 I liked the fight from the guys

44:21 to bring it into overtime, right?

44:24 But at the end of the day,

44:26 lack of execution down the stretch,

44:28 stretch and turnovers doomed them.

44:29 And you could say that was their downfall last year too.

44:34 So just fix it before Wednesday, how about that?

44:38 - Definitely, and the Poisingis went to big on,

44:41 you had to involve them late

44:42 and you couldn't find a way to.

44:43 And when they did, he got the free throw.

44:45 So you gotta fix that,

44:46 especially if they do go down to the wire

44:48 with the Philly team, another tough environment,

44:50 a team that's playing well,

44:51 that's excited about where they're at right now,

44:53 given how the season started,

44:55 no more hard distractions.

44:56 As Josue said, you got all those veterans

44:58 coming in from LA who are motivated,

44:59 who could help guard Tatum potentially here.

45:02 - Good bench unit.

45:03 - Yeah, good bench unit as well.

45:05 And your bench unit continues to be a question here.

45:07 - We didn't talk about PP,

45:08 we'll have to save him for Wednesday night.

45:11 - We got him in there.

45:12 I mean, you go over three zero points,

45:14 that's about all you're worth.

45:16 - Yeah.

45:17 - Mentioning a minute or two.

45:18 So, abbreviate show tonight, I'm on the Philly.

45:21 These guys will have your remote.

45:22 We'll all be back here Wednesday night.

45:24 - Bucket hat Bobby in Philly.

45:26 - Maybe we should talk to some fans.

45:29 - Oh man.

45:30 - The Philly fans are-

45:31 - Be careful out there, man.

45:32 - More scared than the Knicks fans.

45:33 - I don't have security.

45:35 I was ready to jump in when Josue was in trouble.

45:37 I won't have the same luxury.

45:38 - Yo, Bobby, you was putting the camera away.

45:40 - I was fucking around, dude.

45:42 - Get out of here.

45:43 - All right, that's our show tonight.

45:45 - You hung around though.

45:46 - Go to fandul.com/boss as well as oddsart.com

45:50 to for free month of them over there.

45:53 Thank you to them.

45:54 Thanks to Amit as always on production here.

45:56 John back Wednesday, I assume.

45:58 Sherrod as well.

45:59 And we will talk to you then.

46:00 This has been the Garden Report.

46:01 Celtics lose for the first time this year in Minnesota.

46:05 Now four and one this season.

46:07 Talk to you soon.

46:08 - No, they're not four and one.

46:08 They're better than that.

46:09 - Five and one?

46:10 - Five and one.

46:11 - Five and one.

46:12 - Six and one.

46:13 - Maybe after Wednesday.

46:15 - Are they six and one or five and one?

46:16 - They're five and one.

46:17 - They're five and one.

46:18 - Five and one, all right.

46:19 - I thought you were joking.

46:20 - We're all wrong.

46:21 That's what you're doing it for.

46:23 - No, I'm just saying this as a beginning.

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