ESSENCE Ventures CEO & President Caroline Wanga explores Black women as chief executive officers of home, culture and community, and focuses on helping every Black woman recognize the chief that already exists within her—by introducing the ones who live among us.
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00:00 There's 15 million pieces of clothing that come to Ghana on a daily basis.
00:05 The sad part about it is about 40% of what is imported here end up in the landfill because
00:14 they have defects and cannot be worn.
00:16 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:26 So you get 15 million a day?
00:28 Yes.
00:29 40%?
00:30 40% of that.
00:31 40% of that?
00:32 Almost half of it ends up here.
00:33 Never even gets worn because it was sent defective.
00:37 Exactly.
00:38 So do the consumers even see that?
00:40 Or does it just come straight here?
00:41 It just comes-- so it gets to the market.
00:44 We will visit the market after this.
00:46 And the retailers-- because you cannot take out the clothes because they come in a bale.
00:54 So that's--
00:55 Like a compressed bale.
00:56 A compressed bale.
00:57 So when they come to the market, it's when they unpack and unravel it.
00:59 And then it's at that point when they see that there are defects.
01:03 And then the defects just get dumped.
01:05 Is 40% a normal defect number?
01:09 It shouldn't be.
01:10 Is that high?
01:11 Just think about it.
01:12 Like if you're buying any commodity, you usually get like maybe 1% to 2% that is acceptable
01:17 as a defect.
01:18 So that is outrageous.
01:19 That is outrageous.
01:20 It's just--
01:21 It's ridiculous.
01:22 After you finish up, I want you to come back and tell me why you think it is that.
01:25 But keep going.
01:26 OK.
01:27 So the thing is, I think it's wrong because I believe it's an opportunity for the West
01:32 to dump their junk in Africa.
01:34 Come on.
01:35 That's what I wanted to hear.
01:36 So--
01:37 Let's talk about this shit.
01:38 So, you know, because there should be systems in check-- to kind of check some balances
01:45 in place to ensure that what we are importing is good quality.
01:50 I mean, if we're sending stuff to Europe, just imagine when you're taking a flight,
01:54 they even spray the plane so that you don't take your bugs.
01:57 So why do we have to get defective clothes, right?
02:01 It becomes a topic across the world.
02:05 There are Western entities that have taken an opportunity to dump--
02:13 Yep, their junk.
02:14 What they don't want to environmentally handle and send it here knowing it's defective, knowing
02:22 it won't be worn, knowing it will deteriorate the environmental health of countries like
02:27 that.
02:28 Did I repeat that right?
02:29 That is exactly the problem.
02:30 Wow.
02:31 I have no--
02:32 Wow.
02:33 I have no problem with trade.
02:34 I have a problem with injustice and if it's not a fair trade.
02:40 And it's not equitable.
02:42 The platform is not equitable for us as Africans.
02:43 How do you define equity?
02:44 I have a definition.
02:45 I want to hear yours.
02:46 Equitable is when everybody gets an opportunity to voice their opinion and for their consideration
02:54 to be part of a decision.
02:56 And currently, that's why I say it's not equitable because it's like it's not balanced.
03:02 The relationships have to be symbiotic.
03:05 It has to benefit both parties.
03:07 In this particular case, it's extremely parasitic because here we are importing junk.
03:13 We have no-- we don't even have the opportunity to pick what we want.
03:20 It's built for us.
03:21 We only see--
03:22 It's a package.
03:23 It's a package for us.
03:24 So this is a good thing for Africa.
03:25 You better take it.
03:26 There's no opportunity for you to even unravel it and see if this is actually something that
03:31 is good for your country.
03:33 You don't even have that say and that voice.
03:36 And that to me is injustice.
03:38 So we import this.
03:41 And in the market, we go to the consumer market.
03:43 That's when we actually find out about the 40% we get.
03:47 When they open the bill.
03:48 And then it ends up in the landfill because what you do is you pack it on the side and
03:54 in the middle of the night, the waste management company just pick it and have no one to take
03:59 it.
04:00 So it ends up here.
04:01 So this is a community.
04:02 That's a community.
04:03 That's a living, residential community.
04:04 People live there.
04:05 Yes.
04:06 People live there.
04:07 You see livestock.
04:08 You see human beings.
04:09 You see kids.
04:10 You see human beings.
04:11 You see kids jumping.
04:12 This is a community.
04:15 And unfortunately for us, this is what we can do.
04:17 This is the best we can do is to burn this junk.
04:20 And that alone also admits...
04:23 You got a whole different crisis happening on the air.
04:26 What is the government doing?
04:28 So people were suggesting that we should ban secondhand clothing.
04:32 And I keep telling it's going to be extremely...
04:35 So stop the importation.
04:39 You know, it's so multifaceted and so nuanced.
04:41 How are you just going to stop someone's livelihood?
04:45 Do you understand what I'm saying?
04:46 That people were making ends meet from actually importing these clothes.
04:51 There are women in the market who actually take 1,000 to 2,000 CDs a day home because
04:57 they've sold clothing.
04:58 And there's another challenge.
04:59 You know, they talk about developing the local fashion industry.
05:04 How can you develop the local fashion industry when you have cheap clothing coming in from
05:08 China, from Australia, from UK, from Europe?
05:13 Just think about it.
05:14 You bought this beautiful jacket from my friend.
05:16 Chocolate.
05:17 Chocolate by Coco Bediato.
05:18 Right?
05:19 There's a premium to it because he has to go through all the layers of the supply chain
05:24 to be able to source fabric, to be able to produce, to be able to afford electricity.
05:28 And he makes high quality clothing.
05:29 High quality, right?
05:31 And even the retail is not cheap where his stores are.
05:34 So it all comes in the pricing.
05:36 How is he going to compete with secondhand clothing?
05:40 But anyway, he can't because it's going to be a cheaper option for the average Guinean.
05:46 So that is also tightening the growth of the local industry.
05:50 And that is why I feel government needs to step in.
05:52 Not by banning, but we need to put in measures, right, to actually make it more equitable.
05:59 When I say that, let's take opportunities to do quality control before the goods actually
06:05 come.
06:06 What does that look like?
06:07 So look at importation, exportation points in Europe, Australia and China.
06:14 Ensure that the agents that are basically managing the goods are from Europe and from
06:21 Ghana or wherever in Africa it's going to.
06:24 Ensure that there's a system to check the quality before they actually build the clothes
06:29 so that we can import the right clothes.
06:31 And then there should also be moderation.
06:33 If you're going to bring secondhand clothing, there should be a premium to pay so that that
06:37 can enhance the local industry to actually, you know, for us to be able to develop a fair
06:44 that we need to put certain barriers for people to make it, you know, like a fair price in
06:49 terms of the pricing.
06:50 Right.
06:51 So if you're bringing in secondhand clothing, the value should actually be priced at the
06:55 same level as the local industry.
06:57 If not more.
06:58 To stop the cannibalism in the local fashion.
07:01 Exactly.
07:02 Are there particular countries that are violating this more than others in the West?
07:11 I think in Ghana, if I remember correctly, the bulk of it comes from Australia and the
07:17 UK.
07:18 Nobody would have guessed Australia.
07:19 I think I would have guessed the UK.
07:20 What is it about those two environments do you think that has them being an outsized
07:25 participant?
07:26 You know, I think if you talk about fast fashion, right.
07:34 Let's also add like China to the mix because there's a lot of overproduction that has been
07:40 done in these countries.
07:41 I think it's the refined kind of environment or infrastructure for to produce fast fashion.
07:49 These countries have that.
07:50 If you look at Europe.
07:52 So brands like.
07:53 I'm not.
07:56 No, no, no.
07:57 Sheen in China.
07:58 Okay.
07:59 It's a fast fashion brand.
08:00 H&M in the US.
08:01 Yes.
08:02 H&M.
08:03 I can't remember.
08:04 H&M, I think is Swedish.
08:05 Yeah.
08:06 But even they are to me, they're trying to find ways to be more sustainable, which, you
08:14 know, so I can't really talk against them, but they have brands that are just completely
08:17 greenwashing by, you know, kind of supporting communities.
08:22 They're not addressing the problem.
08:23 They're trying to throw money at what they think are solutions to the problem.
08:27 But yes, Sheen is a big fast fashion brand and that's cool.
08:32 And there's a global fast fashion.
08:33 Almost everybody in the world buys clothes.
08:34 Exactly.
08:35 So I think and then you have like your ASOS, you know, all of these are fast fashion platforms.
08:41 But I think what the key thing here is, if you look at Europe, right, there is such a
08:48 flair for luxury.
08:50 A European believes in craftsmanship.
08:52 They don't mind spending lots of money, euros, thousands of euros to buy something that was
08:58 made by, let's say, Versace or Gucci or, you know, like the big brands.
09:03 Or even like if you look at the French culture, like an LVMH or a Dior.
09:09 Exactly.
09:10 So they basically are more into craftsmanship and into buying extremely premium and luxury
09:17 goods versus the other parts of the world where the infrastructure is just there to
09:21 produce in a fast fashion manner.
09:24 And that is why we're getting that shift.
09:26 Do I hear you saying that luxury brands actually are not contributing to this?
09:32 No, they're not.
09:33 Because they produce less at higher cost.
09:35 Exactly.
09:36 And higher quality.
09:37 Higher quality.
09:38 So people will keep them.
09:39 Exactly.
09:40 And share them down for generations.
09:42 Exactly.
09:43 We should not shift into mimicking or copying fast fashion.
09:46 Understood.
09:47 We should focus on the craftsmanship and the premium nature of it.
09:50 Because culturally, we do beautiful things.
09:52 Look at our kinting.
09:53 It's premium.
09:54 Yeah.
09:55 I mean, you go across the continent and you will find some of the most beautiful textiles
09:59 in the world.
10:00 Right.
10:01 That have been pilfered and all of that.
10:02 But whether you do it in a traditional African silhouette or another silhouette, the value
10:10 and potency of the way that our textiles are made, the stories behind them, what they mean
10:21 culturally, what they provide is second to none.
10:25 Exactly.
10:26 And that is lovely.
10:27 Maybe China and some of what they do with embroidery, but there's not really another
10:30 continent in the world that produces our multifaceted textiles in the way that the continent does.
10:37 Exactly.
10:38 So we should focus on craftsmanship.
10:40 And these are things that can be passed on from generation to generation.
10:44 So if you talk about the core values of luxury, craftsmanship is at the center of it.
10:49 And I like the fact that you talk about embroidery in China.
10:52 Chanel was built as a business in Paris or France based on a specific craftsmanship.
10:59 And today, it's something that's very French.
11:02 So why can't we take that?
11:03 Look at the Maasai culture in France.
11:06 I mean, they make beautiful beads.
11:12 Beautiful.
11:13 And they have their own plaid.
11:16 Yes.
11:17 Right.
11:18 Because everybody thinks plaid is European.
11:19 They do.
11:20 And in fact, what is happening is the appropriation of that craftsmanship into the international
11:26 luxury.
11:27 That's exactly right.
11:28 Right.
11:29 That's actually.
11:30 OK, so what you just said is really important.
11:31 On one hand, fast fashion is dumping.
11:32 Yes.
11:33 On the other hand, luxury is not dumping.
11:37 No, they are appropriating.
11:38 Exactly.
11:39 What we create to create their stuff.
11:40 Thank you.
11:41 The Impact Fund for African Creatives.
11:42 Talk about it.
11:43 It's a platform that has a three-pronged approach to solving these two things you just talked
11:44 about.
11:45 Adding on women's empowerment, especially through economic empowerment.
11:46 What does that look like?
11:47 Make it tangible for people?
11:48 Yes.
11:49 Sure.
11:50 So for instance, we started a platform called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
11:51 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
11:52 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
11:53 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
11:54 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
11:55 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:06 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:07 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:08 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:09 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:10 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:11 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:12 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:13 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:14 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:15 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:16 And we have a platform that's called the Impact Fund for African Creatives.
12:17 to be able to learn the tools to compete globally and that is what our incubator does.
12:21 It takes them through a 12-man program, very rigorous, you work with industry experts to
12:28 build your business so you have the robust business plan behind your creativity so that
12:34 when Dior shows you can also show in Paris. But it's not just about the show and the models
12:41 and the press, which is really important, it's actually the bottom line is profitability.
12:46 So we are teaching designers to think about profits. When do I break even? How do I build
12:53 a business plan? How do I pitch to investors? How do I bring capital into my business? How do I put
12:59 a board together? All these things are very very important to actually building a business. So that
13:04 is the first stage. Then after you've gone through that, we then have an early stage ventures fund
13:09 that can then put equity into your business and take a stake. I take a board position and I ensure
13:15 that you do the things that you're supposed to do. You adhere to your business plan and you don't
13:21 deviate from it. You spend wisely, you focus on hitting your targets to be profitable and once
13:27 they're done there's also the development and infrastructure which is what you see here. When
13:33 we say development and infrastructure, we're taking this junk, converting it with European
13:39 partners into t-shirts and send it back to Europe. And say here you could buy this for a million
13:45 dollars. Exactly, exactly. So at every level women are involved and why I say that is we've made
13:53 you know it's part of our objective to employ at least not employ but like invest in women
14:01 ventures that are backed by women. Whether through the founder or
14:07 the women can also play a role in the supply chain. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a
14:12 women founder. It could be that you're working with community of weavers for instance or beaders
14:17 you know. So that also transcends to that empowerment by economics. You know you have to
14:23 empower women economically so that they can. That is how all those gender parity issues will be
14:28 solved if you put women at the forefront and the economy can be empowered. The CEOs of home culture
14:33 and community when they're well we all well right. You talked about the messiah. One of the things I
14:37 love about them is one of their greetings that they give one another is how are the children.
14:41 Oh wow. The only answer that is acceptable is the children are well. Wow. So if you think about and
14:49 in the U.S. you have the Native American culture that believes if you really want to make an impact
14:53 do a change that the seventh generation will benefit from. Like think that bitch. Right.
15:01 So when you talk about when you talk about what it means to work on changing the livelihood
15:10 we are talking about something that number one should measure from where the least of us are.
15:17 You and me doing well we are not doing well. And this is Africa by the way. This is very much how
15:24 we live but we should be measuring how we're doing by this. Yes exactly. Regardless of what I have.
15:31 Yeah. That's mine. Yeah. And until that is good I'm not good whether I'm there or here. Yeah. Right.
15:38 So to your point and what I said about chief to chief all the barriers you mentioned are important
15:44 but part of it is reminding us what we do. Yes. The power to exist in seven generations is what
15:51 Africa is. It's true. Our tribes are like we've got centuries of generations.
15:59 We just need to remind ourselves that the skills the approaches and the processes can be applied.
16:06 We need work done. Yeah. We're not helpless.
16:11 We need work done and we need strategic partners. Yes. That's what I was going to ask. So if you are
16:19 listening to this conversation. Yes. And I'm going to ask you on two levels. I'm going to ask it to
16:24 you as a person and I'm going to ask you as an organization. So I'm a girl. I don't have a stylist
16:30 nor do I have any desire to be a stylist but style is my hobby. Right. So putting clothes together is
16:35 fun for me. I try to do anytime I do something public I must have on something from a black owned
16:41 brand. Right. But if I am me and I'm listening to this conversation with you and I'm thinking
16:49 I'm thinking I still like my hobby and style but what's one thing I can do differently to support
16:55 as an individual. Then the same question for the organization. To support what? This. This movement. Yes. What is if I live in New York. Yes.
17:03 And I'm a girl who loves fashion and I'm not going to stop loving fashion. What can I do from the one
17:08 seat I sit in just to change the area. To support the campaign. Yes. Then same question if I'm an organization.
17:16 So for the organization because we are we establish ourselves as a fund because you need
17:22 resources to be able to achieve all of these. You know this is a great. Just define what you mean by
17:27 resources in case people don't understand what you mean. So funds right. You need funds. You need money.
17:32 You need money to achieve all of this. Like taking all of this sorting it out taking it to the factory
17:38 it's money. So from organizations in the U.S. and beyond we need to mobilize more money to be able
17:46 to address this because it cannot be left as a government problem. You know I always say that in
17:53 Africa we have a lot of challenges. Education. Access to good health. So the government is always putting
18:00 our fires. You know we're in a country where we're now trying to negotiate with I.M.S. for a bailout
18:07 right. So we have enough problems but as private sector we can come together through crowd sourcing
18:14 crowd funding donations to actually support organized ventures like ours platforms like ours.
18:20 So as an individual. Yes. I can I can contribute. Yes we have a grant fund. So tell the people where
18:25 they can contribute. So we have a grant fund. So if you go to our foundation which is African Fashion
18:33 Foundation we've set it up in a way that we are building an ecosystem of different funding
18:39 I'll say modalities. First is people that just want to donate for a tax receipt. You can go
18:45 through the grants fund and that goes through the foundation. And if you're an investor or an
18:50 individual that you have funds and you want to invest we take minimum a hundred thousand into
18:54 our fund and that gives you a share certificate. So you can either go through our early stage fund
19:01 or our development and infrastructure fund but you can come in as an organization or as an
19:06 individual at any level. If you don't have money which is also fine you may be a student you may be
19:12 you know a professional but still want to be supportive you can join our community because
19:18 we have a community of mentors for our early stage brands. For instance we are we run a program from
19:24 January and since then we've had about five mentors come and just talk to the different designers and
19:29 help them because you know you may be privy to information sitting in New York that a local
19:34 creative here doesn't have. Information is capital too. Yes. If somebody wants to be a mentor how do
19:38 they sign up same site? So that you that is www.iffa-c.com that is the site for the
19:45 for the for the fund. So you send in there's a a page where you can actually put a form where you
19:53 can fill all your information and let us know what your interests it could be that you want to do
19:57 research with us. We've had people approach us about research just recently we talked to an
20:03 institution I can't mention their name they were doing research on this particular thing and I sat
20:07 in the room with them for an hour to see what kind of statistics they have and what we are where we
20:13 have and they're like oh well brother you've actually done the work so let's see how we can
20:17 support and enhance the work that you're doing. So it could be information it could be capital it
20:23 could be you know just even being an ambassador for us you know we need ambassadors we need people
20:30 to spread the good work of word on what we're doing right on a global scale. It could be hosting
20:36 stakeholder meetings for us to come into your city and talk to stakeholders to see how we can
20:42 engage them because this is it's not just Africa's problem this is a global problem. It's coming to
20:48 you next. So as an individual yes should I stop shopping at ASOS? Should I stop shopping at Shane?
20:54 Should I be boycotting that as a part of doing something with it? You don't have to say yes or
20:59 no it's hypothetical it's a rhetorical question. I think we should let these fast fashion brands we
21:07 should hold them more accountable for the actions because I'm a scientist by the way by education.
21:13 What does that mean? I studied at Georgetown University biotech and biochemistry and I know
21:19 I'm in the US. The US yes and I'm telling you that if you look at the life cycle of making clothes
21:28 clothing and I'll say fashion industry contributes is the second largest polluter of the environment
21:37 behind fossil fuels. The process of making clothing has a lot of impact on water because
21:44 it takes a lot of water to actually get cotton to production of it is an environmental concern
21:49 to be concerned to begin with. So we need to do things in moderation we cannot be overproducing
21:54 because that is also you know creating a very I'll tell you an accelerated
22:03 impact negatively accelerated impact on the environment and that comes to affect the rest
22:08 of the world. If you look at what is happening globally with tsunamis and earthquakes and
22:13 you know this is all the impacts of climate change. So as a consumer if you're on the
22:20 internet ordering your clothes do it in moderation okay not don't do it because okay I can wear this
22:27 t-shirt and just throw it out tomorrow so let me buy the next do it in moderation. Also try and
22:33 talk to the people for people producing the clothes try and ask them very interesting
22:38 questions. How are you producing? How is it impacting the environment? Who are you employing
22:44 in your production? Are you employing children? Are you paying fair wages? All these things are
22:48 important so to have that kind of transparent system. So we will make sure that you guys have
22:54 those five points of action that you can take. I personally take both because of my job and my
23:02 hobby. One of the things I was just talking to Chocolate about this yesterday is taking the
23:09 things that I'm usually getting something made I have a more eclectic style so I tend to end up
23:13 in higher end shopping just because of like what I like the texture and color and weight like right
23:19 if I do fast fashion that mean I lost some of my luggage right like I really don't usually do that
23:23 oh I'm doing like jewelry not clothes right but one of the things Chocolate and I talked about was
23:29 a lot of the stuff that I choose to wear and I'm just getting my own personal testimony right
23:33 I get made or is distinctive enough to our pie won't wear it again for five years
23:38 yeah so I'll keep it I don't throw it away but instead of waiting five years to do it do I talk
23:43 to a designer like Chocolate because this is how then I can impact Ghana right yes so I send it to
23:48 Chocolate who's in Ghana I live in the U.S. and say remake this for me upcycling because even if
23:54 whether I was going to wear it over those five years or not sending it to a designer or doing
23:58 it yourself creates the thriving economy yes so thinking about how to redo the look she invested
24:04 could be on that list of five yes and using fashion designers yeah to do that so that the
24:10 dollar of that of that article of clothing keeps rotating even though the clothing never changes
24:17 yes and doesn't end up here yes and that is what is upcycling right and a few brands that are
24:22 actually upcycling they're taking also the second-hand clothing in the market and then
24:27 creating collections out of that so I think it's a brilliant idea to select maybe a handful of
24:33 designers and just have a call to action let them upcycle a few pieces let's see if we can get five
24:38 celebrities to make let the five designers upcycle and then we do a collection in Paris how about
24:44 that we're gonna put that on paper I love it put that on paper we're serious yes on paper but what
24:50 we're also going to do yeah you are going to help us sure produce a list of designers in Ghana yes
24:57 who would help with redesign yes and how to ship your things to them yes how to engage with them
25:04 virtually yes to have them take what your hobby or investment may be and reimagine it so that the
25:12 dollar value yes so the economy of fashion is renewed without the waste without the waste
25:19 you can help us connect us to designers who do that yes and the reality is it'll be almost like
25:24 a self-fulfilling prophecy because here's what's going to happen you get what you pay for
25:30 something chocolate made for me can be taken apart and remade six times because of his craftsmanship
25:40 yes something a place that rhymes with lace off me
25:45 can't take that much can't take that much undoing yes it may not make it through one remake no
25:54 because even the colors move quickly yeah and cheaply yeah so what could happen is a
26:00 self-fulfilling prophecy that the process of trying to get your clothing remade
26:05 to extend the dollar and not create harm might teach you why investing in a higher quality
26:13 garment made by an African designer is wiser because the dollar can grow and you can be fly
26:20 multiple times multiple times I love it that's a great plan right I love that so what else
26:25 number one we will be a channel to connect your designers to go to consumers that want to
26:31 participate in this radical upsiding movement we're about to do right so we can use our social
26:37 forums our platform our magazine our audiences by the way we're not just essence we're also afro punk
26:42 which is really our afro punk too right which is a global brand yeah so I run afro prank as well
26:48 and so we can take those two communities in particular afro punk is a little bit more
26:52 activist yes yes and and but if you want something aesthetically beautiful go to an afro punk event
26:59 you will see upcycling at its best because the expression there yeah yeah right so we can give
27:06 the consumers the ability to connect to the designers to be a part of this movement we're
27:15 going to make to upcycle you talked about celebrities I know what you meant but I'm
27:19 going to offer us something provocative to think about and then as we go to other places I'll ask
27:23 you more about your personal story sure I know why celebrities are influencers I get it what I
27:30 would rather do is make those youth you're talking about celebrities that's what create new ones I
27:36 like that actually I'm about that new ones I'm about that let's let's yes talk to these young
27:41 people right over here and over here let's get them involved in this and let's make them famous
27:45 in the same way somebody on tiktok what so we'll take celebrity support but let's be in the business
27:52 of upcycling celebrities out here as well I love it what do you think I think it's the the new norm
27:58 I love it I love it no that's that's what we do like let's make them because that's what's going
28:02 to matter to them yes let's make them celebrities children do this so we can be a celebrity you want
28:08 to be a celebrity you please come and model here for them come come come come
28:18 oh that's amazing this is good continue the rest with the other so we're going to
28:22 yes so these are all secondhand so these are denim
28:35 they do underwear you see so this is what this is what they unbend yes
28:41 so you see the packs in blue those are the bales
28:49 so these are the shipping container no actually these are
28:55 plastics this one under it that's what comes up yes yes yes the bottom one the below
29:01 so yeah
29:02 so this is something women so do they do it in the back so they have like a central point where
29:11 they take it so these guys go and pick you see the bills they pick the bills from the
29:16 wholesale agents then they because this is a retail site and then they spread it on here
29:23 wholesale wholesale yeah so they are the ones that import it from you know the french got it
29:31 points yeah exactly look at the underwear to me this is like they get a picture a big picture
29:38 of their underwear underwear that one right there you can bras and they're used yes use bras
29:44 hello let's do a video of that one too use bras
29:50 can you imagine it's unbelievable
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