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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Arya Meyman, Architect of Stories and Noom League.
00:15 This is the last segment of the program, we will talk about the old statements on the
00:19 new election.
00:20 After that, we will talk about the mission of Mohammad-el-Durain.
00:23 He always presents a new agenda of track to diplomacy.
00:26 This time, who is he paying attention to?
00:30 Who is responsible for the death of Nann-e-Ammar?
00:33 I think that as a society, we are all responsible for his death.
00:36 We will talk about this at the end of the program.
00:38 Let's start with Noom League's leader Nawaz Sharif.
00:41 Two days ago, he gave a great speech.
00:44 After that, there was a stir in Pakistan's politics.
00:46 He said that until a few personalities are not counted, the society cannot progress.
00:53 He took the name of the former Army Chief General Bajwa and some sitting judges.
00:57 Yesterday, Rana Sanaullah's very interesting statement was shown on television.
01:02 He said that he ended Imran Khan's rule in exchange for the extension of General Bajwa.
01:09 How did this happen? What did he say?
01:11 Rana Sahab, please listen to your own words.
01:13 Despite the fact that General Bajwa is the same Army Chief who was signed by your party
01:18 and you have given him three more years to serve, how did you decide to give him three more years?
01:23 The decisions that we took, the consequences that followed,
01:30 we had to achieve our goal.
01:35 We had to reduce the corruption and mischief that was prevalent in this country
01:42 and the gravity with which it was involved.
01:49 So, in this situation, some things are visible in a different way
01:56 but their implied effects are in a different way.
02:01 Farhatullah Babar strongly condemned Rana Sadaullah's statement.
02:07 He said that the vote of no confidence was a legitimate move.
02:13 Why is PMLN making it controversial? Why is Rana Sanaullah making it controversial?
02:18 What kind of statement is this?
02:20 Farhatullah Babar has almost rejected this statement from the People's Party.
02:24 After this, there are various statements of Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba.
02:28 PMLN's relationship with General Bajwa continued to change.
02:32 When she was appointed, we saw that she was appointed as the Army Chief in November 2016.
02:41 At that time, she was appointed under the 'Good Bajwa' doctrine.
02:45 PMLN had a very good relationship.
02:47 We saw that General Bajwa was given a lot of support.
02:51 At that time, a single-page discussion was held.
02:53 After that, we saw that there was a controversy in all these relationships.
02:57 Nawaz Sharif was not eligible for the Supreme Court's decision.
03:02 In not so many words, Nawaz Sharif Sahiba said that this was the result of the establishment of the Supreme Court and the setup of General Bajwa.
03:13 After this, their relationship completely deteriorated.
03:16 Now, they are entering a bad phase of Bajwa.
03:19 This phase is still increasing.
03:21 Nawaz Sharif Sahiba introduces the term 'Khalai Makhloop' when he goes abroad for an election campaign.
03:29 Let's listen to what he said.
03:31 Your competition is my competition.
03:34 The competition of Muslim blood is with a 'Khalai Makhloop'.
03:39 After this, we saw that this relationship again deteriorated.
03:48 Welcome back.
03:49 A while ago, Nigram Wazir Azam Anwar ul Qaqar gave a speech in the United Nations.
03:54 He talked about Pakistan's position on Kashmir, Islamophobia, and Pakistan's view on Palestine.
04:00 He also talked about the climate change, which has caused Pakistan to face an ongoing battle.
04:08 Remember that the global stage is facing a new tension.
04:18 India has been accused of being a terrorist.
04:20 The state of Pakistan has always been saying this.
04:22 It seems that Canada and other countries are also reacting to this.
04:26 Maybe the views of Pakistan will also start to get the support of international narratives.
04:31 Our Sultan is with us.
04:33 We will take a short comment from him about the speech of Wazir Azam.
04:35 We will also talk about Nawaz Sharif's return.
04:39 Dr. Maria, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:41 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:42 The context is very important.
04:45 India and Canada are in a cold war.
04:49 You can tell me a better term for this.
04:52 In that context, a speech is also given.
04:54 A visit is also made.
04:56 We see that the diplomatic missions of Pakistan are also very active.
05:02 Pakistan has always said that India has been terrorizing Pakistan.
05:07 India has been helped by the international community.
05:13 Especially from the western countries.
05:16 In the case of Kashmir, there was a need to remove the weapons.
05:23 The facts that are being revealed, the over smart behavior of India,
05:37 The reason is that what you are saying is being heard.
05:42 Not because Pakistan is saying it, but because there are many facts about it.
05:46 So, diplomatically, Pakistan is leading its case.
05:51 What else can you do?
05:54 The biggest problem we have is the Gulbashan Yadav case.
05:59 The various killings that India has tried to do in Pakistan.
06:04 The Civil Defense Amendment Act.
06:07 The treatment of minorities in India.
06:11 All rights are being given to them legally.
06:16 It is a voice that will be a big challenge for India and the world.
06:20 Because wherever the Hindu or Indian religions are present in the world.
06:27 If tomorrow India kills their citizenship, it will be a big challenge.
06:33 It can be a global challenge.
06:36 So, we need to do something about the resolution in the Parliament.
06:47 Thank you very much. Dr. Maria Sultan was with us.
06:49 We were talking about the speech of the Prime Minister of Pakistan, K.Takor.
06:54 Let's move forward. Mr. Shabaz Sharif spoke to the media a while ago.
06:57 He has again emphasized that Mr. Nawaz Sharif is coming back on the 21st.
07:05 The question is, have there been any meetings?
07:08 Have you met any Middle Eastern delegation?
07:10 Do you get any taunts about the global establishment?
07:15 He has obviously denied such meetings.
07:17 No one confirms such meetings at that time.
07:20 We know later in the past that when the deals were brokered.
07:24 Like the 10-year agreement between Mr. Nawaz and Mr. Shabaz Sharif.
07:28 That too came later on the public.
07:30 Mr. Khawar Ghoman is with us in the studio.
07:35 Mr. Fareed Qureshi is with us from London.
07:37 Let's take a look at the news from London.
07:39 What is the situation there?
07:41 He has obviously denied any diplomatic meeting.
07:44 He was not supposed to say that he is here for a meeting or a high profile visit.
07:49 Or that he is meeting someone else.
07:51 Mr. Shabaz Sharif has said that Mr. Nawaz Sharif will be back on the 21st.
07:55 So, is there no delay in this?
07:57 Or is there a possibility of a change in the date?
08:01 No, there is no possibility of a change in the date.
08:04 Mr. Nawaz Sharif will be back on the 21st.
08:07 Mr. Shabaz Sharif has clearly clarified this.
08:09 And the news that he is meeting some Middle Eastern personalities.
08:14 He has also denied that.
08:15 He said that he did not meet anyone.
08:17 He came to meet Mr. Nawaz Sharif to talk about these issues.
08:23 And we discussed the legal and administrative issues regarding his return.
08:27 And the decisions have been taken regarding that.
08:29 In this meeting, the Central Command of the Noon League was present.
08:34 Mr. Nawaz Sharif, Mr. Ishaq Dar, Mr. Shabaz Sharif, Mr. Mariam Nawaz, Mr. Javed Latif.
08:39 And all the other important people were present in this meeting.
08:43 It was a very long meeting that started at 12pm today.
08:46 And it has ended at 4.30pm now.
08:49 Mr. Shabaz Sharif has just left.
08:51 Mr. Mariam Nawaz has also left.
08:53 And the decision regarding his return has been finalized.
08:56 And before this, Mr. Nawaz Sharif said during the meeting that he wants the characters that were conspired in 2017-18.
09:04 He has also mentioned them.
09:06 That all of them should be held accountable.
09:08 And then the meeting will proceed.
09:09 Farid, the statement that was given the day before yesterday.
09:11 There was a concern that Mr. Shabaz has gone after that statement.
09:15 And there will be a discussion about it.
09:18 And maybe there will be a discussion about changing this statement.
09:22 So, the statement that has been given today by PM LN, by Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
09:26 It seems that this is not the case.
09:28 Yes, this statement was issued by the office of Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
09:31 And it was written very clearly that according to him, the conspiracy to remove Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
09:36 The characters that were conspired in that.
09:38 He has also written their names in it.
09:40 The names have been mentioned.
09:41 And the former army chief is also included in it.
09:43 That until they are held accountable, Mr. Nawaz Sharif has said that the country cannot move forward.
09:47 He is very clear in this matter.
09:49 And does Mr. Shabaz Sharif know anything about his return?
09:51 Or is it open-ended?
09:52 Has he got any return ticket deducted?
09:54 He did not tell anything.
09:56 But he has definitely said that I will return to Pakistan in a few days.
09:59 And will Maryam Bibi be with him or will she stay there?
10:01 What is the charter there?
10:03 Maryam will probably stay for a week.
10:05 Because it is the matter of her daughter's admission.
10:07 She has come to get her admission in the university.
10:09 This was her main purpose.
10:10 But she was also included in this meeting.
10:12 And she will also take part in these political meetings.
10:14 Okay, stay with us, Farid.
10:16 Mr. Khawar, this narrative was not from us.
10:20 It has come from those journalists who are close to the Noon League.
10:25 So they said that after giving a message to Mr. Shabaz,
10:28 after the meeting in Gujranwala and after some other negotiations,
10:33 it was sent that Mr. Nawaz Sharif, who has a very strict position,
10:37 should be inclined to show a little flexibility.
10:41 But it did not happen today.
10:43 Mr. Shabaz, do you want to add anything?
10:47 I wanted to say that when Mr. Shabaz came,
10:49 he said that there was no meeting in Gujranwala,
10:53 and he did not go to Gujranwala.
10:55 Okay, he said that.
10:56 I think someone should confirm and refute such meetings on camera.
10:59 Yes, Mr. Khawar.
11:01 Look, Maryam, we are very innocent people.
11:04 And our politicians consider the people of Pakistan to be very innocent.
11:09 I don't think they consider us to be less intelligent.
11:11 Or we have no political intelligence.
11:14 And we will accept whatever they say.
11:16 A person has back pain, long travel is prohibited for him.
11:19 He comes to Pakistan and is called back within 24 hours.
11:22 And just for the sake of meeting, he is called back.
11:24 So we accept what they say.
11:26 Basically, the leadership of the Noon League and their willing dealings have a history.
11:32 It is in front of everyone.
11:34 What kind of politics happened in the 90s.
11:36 Leave that too.
11:37 You mentioned 2002 when you made a treaty with Saudi Arabia.
11:42 When you refused, you had to come to their intelligence chief and show him.
11:47 You made this treaty.
11:48 After that, you are saying a conspiracy.
11:50 Former Army Chief, Mr. Bajwa, conspired.
11:53 During 2017-18 and our government fell during 2016-17.
11:57 After that, Pakistan was setting the stage for development.
12:00 And after that, we fell.
12:02 As Pakistan, the country came down.
12:04 Now there is an extension in 2019.
12:06 Now we have been listening to their statements for three days.
12:08 We are listening to the statement of Rana Salal, Mohammad Zubair, Javed Latif.
12:13 We have heard that we gave that vote under a deal.
12:16 After that deal, Marjum Sahiba told you, next question please.
12:20 Now how much do we understand this Pakistani nation or those who understand a little in Pakistan.
12:26 We think they are fools.
12:28 That we will take their statements as true and accept them.
12:33 Khudara, in 2023, the world has gone very far.
12:37 It is the era of social media.
12:39 Your every moment, your recording, whatever you are talking about, whatever you are thinking.
12:44 Your body language, your facial expressions.
12:47 You can understand what is happening.
12:49 All people, senior journalists who consider them their own, they will say, brother.
12:55 Shabaz Sharif, because he always, a general, he does not take his name, but he is called the master of throttling.
13:05 Whenever there is a throttling, or he goes into a panic mood,
13:08 Bade Mian Sahib, he is always an expert in fighting.
13:11 He always fought.
13:12 In the 90s, he fought one to one.
13:14 It is a bundle, one has to fight, so one has to fight.
13:18 Exactly.
13:19 Now the problem is that you are, in childhood we used to hear stories,
13:23 Search for treasure, search for diamonds, search for gold.
13:26 Now, the problem is in search of a story.
13:29 You have been in power for 16 months.
13:31 The government is in front of the public.
13:33 You know that the situation of people these days.
13:36 So, Bade Mian Sahib, in my opinion, should ask him that, brother,
13:39 Who has to suffer the 16 months you have done?
13:41 How to suffer?
13:42 You are dragging and taking 2017-18, 2017-18.
13:46 Before that, the government that went in April 2022,
13:50 They are saying that brother, give us the same government of April 2022.
13:53 The circumstances that were there at that time.
13:55 The fundamental problem is that,
13:57 What you have to sell in front of the public,
14:00 That is not happening now.
14:02 This is because this election is anyway,
14:04 On inflation, on electricity bills, on the prices of petrol,
14:08 It has to be on the prices of food items.
14:10 People will vote only on the single point agenda this time.
14:13 One more thing, Fareed, what we heard the other day,
14:18 Javed Latif Sahib had a statement that,
14:20 On 21st, Nawaz Sharif Sahib will only come and give a speech on the Pakistan's Foundation.
14:25 This rally, the reception at the airport, and all these things,
14:28 It will not happen.
14:29 Now, if Javed Latif Sahib talks,
14:31 We assume that this is the point of view of the closest circle to Nawaz Sharif Sahib.
14:39 Was there any opposition in the Noon League that,
14:43 He should not have come on TV and talked?
14:46 Is the same strategy still there or has there been a change in it?
14:50 No, it will be welcomed at Lahore Airport.
14:53 After that, there will be a rally at the Minar-e-Pakistan.
14:55 This has been said by Shahbaz Sharif.
14:57 And the leadership of the Noon League is very clear.
14:59 Javed Latif had said this,
15:01 And he said that it is the season of weddings,
15:03 People will be busy, so we want people not to be disturbed.
15:05 And we are holding a rally at the Minar-e-Pakistan.
15:07 But the rest of the Noon League leadership wants to be welcomed at Lahore Airport.
15:11 And after that, the rally will be held at the Minar-e-Pakistan.
15:14 But the problem is, what does Shahbaz Sharif want?
15:17 Last time too, he kept waiting, he did not reach the airport.
15:21 So I think, what is your intention with Shahbaz Sharif?
15:24 Where is he standing? This is a very important question.
15:26 I think, now the situation is very different.
15:29 When Nawaz Sharif went in 2018, the situation was very different.
15:32 Now I think, Shahbaz Sharif wants to be welcomed.
15:35 And he has also expressed this.
15:37 And he said that first the welcome will be at the airport,
15:39 Then we will go and hold a rally at the Minar-e-Pakistan.
15:41 And the People's Party has prepared for the election campaign.
15:43 When people meet there, they are talking,
15:45 Is the Noon League entering the election mode?
15:48 Absolutely. The Noon League, which is led by Pakistan from different areas,
15:53 They are continuously coming, meeting Nawaz Sharif,
15:56 And preparations are going on from their side.
15:58 Now when Nawaz Sharif will go back to Pakistan,
16:00 Then there will be more heat in the election environment.
16:02 And it will be seen that Nawaz Sharif will come back,
16:04 And the atmosphere in Pakistan will be created.
16:06 Mr. Gokabar, the new NAP cases are opening up.
16:09 Do you think that this is an open and shut case on 21st?
16:14 There is no need to talk about it.
16:16 It is 21st.
16:18 In English, it is said that there is a many slip between the cup and the lips.
16:21 21st is still very far.
16:23 And according to my information,
16:25 Especially for the fire fighting,
16:27 The one who went ahead,
16:29 That is all.
16:32 Respected Nawaz Sharif,
16:34 Before coming to Pakistan,
16:36 There is a guarantee on many matters.
16:39 His settlement is required,
16:41 Which is clearly visible.
16:43 Instead of settlement,
16:45 All the cases are going upside down.
16:47 After that, you can do whatever you want.
16:50 In the country, there is a law and a law.
16:53 You are a convict.
16:55 You had given an affidavit.
16:57 You had written that you will get the treatment from the place,
17:00 You will get the medical test done.
17:02 I will collect all the reports.
17:04 High Commission and the relevant court.
17:06 When you come back,
17:08 People will ask for all the things.
17:10 The real news is that the guarantee,
17:12 Which is being told to some people,
17:14 And the news is being circulated,
17:16 All the things are decided.
17:18 We are coming to the government.
17:20 And there is no obstacle in our way.
17:22 The news that has been sent to them from here is that
17:24 There will be elections.
17:26 The one who wins will have to accept the victory.
17:28 The one who loses will have to accept defeat.
17:30 So, what you are saying is that
17:32 We will put defeat in your neck from the beginning.
17:34 Instead of going to Minar-e-Pakistan from the airport,
17:37 Go straight to the Prime Minister's office.
17:39 There is no guarantee like this.
17:41 Because on the ground, all the things are not in control.
17:45 They have surveyed from different places.
17:48 And you know that survey reports are coming very little these days.
17:51 Before the elections, survey reports used to come.
17:53 Now, survey reports are not coming.
17:55 And no one is giving them.
17:57 There is a very clear reason for that.
17:59 And they know.
18:01 Now, will they be successful in taking any other deal?
18:04 I don't think so.
18:06 We also want to show this on our television screens.
18:09 The latest statement from Mr. Bajwa
18:12 Rana Sannaullah.
18:14 There are two opinions in this too.
18:16 Because one wing of PMLN
18:18 Which is deciding at that time
18:20 That we have to attack in the next election.
18:22 The former establishment.
18:25 Especially by separating some personalities from the institutions.
18:28 So it is very clear that Nawaz Sharif, Marib Nawaz Sahiba
18:31 And some of their close people.
18:33 But Mr. Shahbaz's thinking is completely different from this.
18:37 In fact, Mr. Shahbaz, during his government, during the opposition
18:40 And even before going to his last speech
18:43 He thanked Mr. Bajwa.
18:45 So for PMLN, these are some different forms.
18:48 General Bajwa has a good Bajwa form.
18:51 And a bad Bajwa form.
18:53 So one wing of PMLN says that
18:55 Mr. Bajwa is responsible for all these problems.
18:58 What does he say?
18:59 And the other wing says that
19:01 All these problems
19:03 The victims who have been
19:05 It is not because of Mr. Bajwa.
19:07 In fact, they thank him.
19:09 What does he say?
19:11 The help that came from the outside
19:13 From friends and the country
19:15 And the most influential in the world
19:17 General Bajwa, I thank him.
19:19 General Kamar Javed Bajwa
19:22 This is your contribution.
19:25 You are the cause of this problem.
19:27 The cause of the problems of the nation.
19:29 Mr. Javed Bajwa
19:30 You got our government to leave.
19:33 And to give the country and the nation the opportunity to fulfill their wishes.
19:37 General Bajwa, I thank him.
19:40 Our government started after 28 November.
19:43 Before that, the leaders of Ladleya were present.
19:45 General Bajwa, I thank him.
19:48 The ministers of millions of people's mandate
19:51 Who is behind them?
19:53 General Bajwa and General Faiz are behind him.
19:56 General Bajwa, I thank him.
20:00 When I and
20:01 Mr. Dravasi was sent out of the convention.
20:03 Which convict was first sent to Pakistan?
20:05 He did not send.
20:06 The establishment sent him.
20:08 Through court order.
20:09 I mean, the court order was also made by the establishment.
20:12 General Bajwa, I thank him.
20:16 Who should we listen to?
20:17 Mr. Shabaz or others?
20:19 There is confusion.
20:20 Who is the final version?
20:23 Look, when Mr. Shabaz Sharif went to the convention again.
20:26 He said, "Brother, do not make the situation worse."
20:30 "If we are talking, if we want to play a game, let it play."
20:35 Because it is a very common sense thing.
20:38 General Bajwa is taking the name of a general.
20:42 Now, during 2017-18,
20:44 Suppose, it is assumed that a conspiracy was committed.
20:47 The conspiracy was supervised by General Bajwa.
20:50 And on the ground, it was executed by General Faiz.
20:55 This is what their argument is.
20:56 This is what I understand.
20:57 There is no one else.
20:58 So, at that time, all the decisions were made.
21:02 Only two people were doing it there.
21:03 Military as an institution.
21:05 I think these are the things.
21:08 I said that they are looking for a narrative.
21:11 First, the narrative of giving respect to the vote was echoed.
21:14 Definitely, he was given a good party.
21:17 If he was left behind, then people will be disappointed.
21:19 Now, people will not go on such narratives.
21:22 Now, I think we should also ask Farid.
21:24 Farid, there is no one asking him a question.
21:27 Mr. Shabaz Sharif.
21:30 That in Pakistan, at this time, the hungry is dancing naked.
21:33 The household earning Rs. 25,000 to Rs. 35,000 is getting a bill of Rs. 20,000 to Rs. 25,000.
21:39 Children go to school, but there is no food.
21:42 If there is food, then children do not go to school.
21:43 Let me rephrase your question.
21:45 Farid, do you have an idea that such narratives are not being used in Pakistan at this time?
21:52 Rather, the core issues, which are inflation, electricity, are the core issues of people.
21:58 Is there no discussion there that will this narrative work or not?
22:02 This question has been asked several times.
22:05 They have only to say that Nawaz Sharif has shown good performance from 2013 to 2017.
22:11 They present examples.
22:13 Therefore, their hope is that if Nawaz Sharif comes back, the country's economy will improve.
22:17 Then the poor will also be in good condition.
22:20 But the narrative is that until the public is in danger,
22:24 they are not in danger of legal or other administrative matters.
22:28 The real issue is what is their acceptance in the public.
22:32 They should see that the situation in Pakistan,
22:36 the poverty, unemployment, the problems,
22:38 if they do not talk about them, it is very difficult for them to go back and survive.
22:41 Thank you very much.
22:42 Mr. Khabar Goman was with us.
22:44 We will go to London on a break.
22:46 When we come back, the death of Ammar Farooq,
22:52 the disgusting conspiracy theories that were made against him,
22:55 will be used politically.
22:58 We will talk about this after the break.
23:00 I will tell you what my take is on this. Stay with us.
23:02 Welcome back.
23:06 The ticket holder of Tariq-e-Insaf, Mia Ibad Farooq,
23:09 her 8-year-old son, Ammar Farooq's death has shaken the entire nation.
23:15 When the child was being buried, when he was sick,
23:18 every eye was in tears when his body was being buried.
23:24 What is the timeline of this whole matter?
23:26 Because there are different theories about it.
23:28 First of all, we will start from May 10,
23:30 when his father was arrested before his death.
23:35 Mia Ibad Farooq, the PTI Lahore tweeted that
23:38 he was arrested as a ticket holder and taken to an unknown location.
23:42 After that, this matter did not stop here.
23:44 Even after arresting him, his mother and his wife were also arrested.
23:50 Now the question arises that if a person is being arrested,
23:52 why is it necessary to arrest his mother and his wife?
23:56 Let's hear the point of view of Ammar Farooq's mother.
24:02 Ever since his father was arrested, he has been coming this way.
24:07 After that, when the police came to our house again and again,
24:11 they harassed us.
24:12 They arrested me and took my mother-in-law with them.
24:16 During that time, my four children were at home.
24:19 One of my children is 2.5 years old.
24:21 He also stayed at home for two days without me.
24:24 They kept me in jail for two days.
24:26 When they came back, my child's behavior was changing.
24:30 He was worried about his father.
24:32 When they took me, he took it to his head and made it heavy.
24:38 His mother was arrested in front of him and the child was deeply shocked.
24:43 His uncle says that when he went to school,
24:45 he used to write about his father in the paper and kept writing about him.
24:49 He gave two papers to me.
24:52 One was on 19th May and the other was on 21st May.
24:56 He wrote about his father in both the papers.
25:00 After that, we arrested him.