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- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
- Amir Zia (Analyst)
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)
- Khalid Hussain Magsi BAP
- Faiz Ullah Khan (ARY News Reporter Karachi)
BAP Party is going to merge with PMLN?
Fawad Chaudhry sent on two-day remand - Maria Memon's Analysis
Kya Ek Bar Phir PPP, PMLN, JUIF Ek Sath Bethengi?
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mary Ameem and today's top stories is about political
00:12 conflicts.
00:13 After the election date is announced, who will be the unionist, where will the seat
00:17 adjustment be, whose prospects are more, who has difficulties.
00:20 We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:22 After that, there is a change in the party.
00:24 We saw that its leadership has changed overnight.
00:27 We will talk about the political repercussions of this in the second part of the program.
00:32 In the end, the Sindh's election is also taking place and the People's Party is also ahead.
00:37 Murza Wahab is winning.
00:39 In the last part of the program, we will talk about the politics of Sindh.
00:43 But let's start.
00:44 Today we saw that Fawad Chaudhary's arrest was presented to him in court.
00:48 Yesterday, when he was arrested, everyone was curious about the case on which he was
00:54 arrested.
00:55 Someone was saying that there are some old cases, someone was telling about the ATC.
01:00 Today morning it was finally cleared that there was a complaint against Fawad Chaudhary
01:05 for the bribe of 50 lakh rupees and the complainant said that I have been threatened.
01:10 After that, Fawad Chaudhary was arrested and then presented to him today.
01:14 But the way the cloth was put on his face and presented, this was also a unique logic
01:19 in which in such cases, usually the accused is presented.
01:22 It does not go like this.
01:24 So, when which case was this, where did this FIR come from?
01:29 Fawad Chaudhary's widow was saying that she was unaware of this case.
01:34 Listen to what she said.
01:35 They have brought it with a stick, but my request is that we were not told in which case they
01:42 are wanted and in which case they have been arrested.
01:45 So, they just sealed the FIR and just told that this case is of bribery or corruption.
01:51 Knowing the presence of God, this FIR is completely baseless.
01:55 Nothing like this has happened.
01:57 Fawad Chaudhary also has a party, Istekam Pakistan Party, IPP.
02:02 That is why we are saying that this is his party because last week he was seen, he was found,
02:07 he met with his Jangeet Reen, with Aleem Khan.
02:10 Apart from this, he had joined that party, but after that he was not so active.
02:14 So, it is obvious that this question should have been asked from his party that why
02:18 is a member of IPP being arrested?
02:21 Then when Doss Ashikawan Sahiba was present on my show yesterday, I asked her this question
02:24 that whether she is in IPP or not, why is there no reaction from your side?
02:28 So, listen to the confusion she mentioned about Fawad Chaudhary.
02:32 He is a victim of confusion.
02:34 When he came from Istekam Pakistan Party, he had this demand that my name should be removed,
02:41 my name should be removed from the no stop list.
02:45 At that time also, the situation was that you have to adopt this legal path.
02:52 Firdos Sahiba also said that Fawad Chaudhary is not playing on the front foot and this
02:56 confusion should be removed.
02:58 In response, what did Fawad's wife answer to this allegation?
03:03 Yesterday, Firdos Ashikawan Sahiba was also saying that her ways are not straight, her
03:09 ways are not straight.
03:10 First ask her ways.
03:11 First ask her ways, which party she is going to.
03:16 The one who is in power, she goes to that party.
03:19 The one who is in the party, she goes to that party.
03:22 So, obviously, Fawad Chaudhary's political status is also unclear, there is confusion
03:27 in that also and there is confusion in the status of legal cases.
03:30 Anyway, we will continue to follow this case, but along with that, we will also talk about
03:34 the new developments that have taken place.
03:36 We have with us in the first segment, Atar Kazmi, Amir Zia, Amir Ilyas Rana, who will
03:42 join us in a while.
03:43 If we talk about this, there is a grand dialogue in the country, the political leadership of
03:48 this country.
03:49 Now, it is obvious that the one who will suit the election results, PMLN, will want all
03:53 this to happen after the election.
03:55 Some parties are saying that we should sit down before the election and talk.
03:58 There are voices from within PMLN, who are talking about sitting down before the election
04:01 and deciding the new rules of the game.
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06:34 "I think now, just lip service, nothing can happen.
06:36 Everyone knows under the election, who will be getting such parts themselves and what happens in such election.
06:41 And you have also seen, now it is good that the election date is clear,
06:45 but it is very important also, what kind of personalities were they."
06:50 "Regarding DAAR Elections, what did you people say standing in the assembly three months before elections today?"
06:56 "What Elections, no elections, what Elections?"
06:59 "Now you're saying to accept elections, then what elections?"
07:03 "So see, the decisions coming from the judicial system,
07:06 in that, we will have to see who were those people who did not let elections happen in two days,
07:11 who swallowed the verdict.
07:13 Now the judicial decisions, should not be used as medicine to digest the verdict,
07:19 nor as a cure, it should be determined,
07:22 who were those people who snatched the rights of the people in two days, and they were these same Mozart personalities.
07:27 Who are now doing very good things, they used to stand in the assembly and say,
07:31 "You get elections done, we don't."
07:33 So this is the issue, that now I think it's too little, too late,
07:36 but we hope that there will be a good and a clear election,
07:39 because this situation of a storm, is not good for the country at all."
07:43 "There is a storm, there is a panic, there is uncertainty,
07:46 Mr. Amir Zia, what do you think about this?"
07:48 "Now, elections are going to happen,
07:50 and when elections happen, then the results, whatever they are,
07:53 in 2018, we saw that the PDM-ITTIHAD agreed to the results,
07:56 despite all their, their selected, selected, there was a debate,
08:00 in 2002, you understand better than me,
08:02 in 2002 elections were held, it was one of the most controversial elections in the country,
08:06 but even if the results are accepted, the system went ahead,
08:09 so is there a general understanding,
08:12 even in political parties, that when the results are announced,
08:14 whether they are in our favour or not,
08:16 to push the system forward, those results will have to be accepted?"
08:19 "And I don't know if the system is going ahead,
08:23 or is stationary at the same place, or we are going behind.
08:26 So this is also a matter of debate, I think.
08:28 You started off with a national dialogue,
08:31 whether it's about ABC or something else,
08:34 in our country, this card is very overplayed,
08:37 and an overhyped card.
08:39 If we accept that we have a parliamentary form of democracy,
08:43 then the decisions are made in the parliament.
08:46 And this that all Muslims, from Neel Kasail to Tawbah Khan,
08:50 will be one, and will sit and have a dialogue,
08:53 and make a consensus,
08:54 this has not happened in the past, nor is it going to happen in the coming days.
08:58 It's true that the big parties,
09:00 the parties that were in the government till yesterday,
09:04 the PDM, People's Party and the PDM,
09:06 they know what is going to happen.
09:09 Before the elections, there will be a lot of fireworks,
09:11 there will be a lot of elections,
09:14 but whatever the result is,
09:15 after that, it's possible that the parties will be forced to work together again.
09:20 I'm using the word forced, it's possible that they are doing it willingly.
09:23 The bigger question is,
09:24 that by God's grace, the date of the elections has been announced,
09:29 the bigger question is,
09:30 whether the elections will be transparent and non-partisan or not.
09:35 Because until it's not done,
09:37 then what we say that in Pakistan's politics,
09:39 there is a lot of blood, and a lot of money,
09:42 that will continue to flow.
09:43 If we need political stability in Pakistan,
09:47 then it will come at the same time,
09:48 that when there are elections here,
09:50 which the people accept,
09:52 and the main players are accepting it too.
09:54 Now this is the job of the Election Commission of Pakistan,
09:57 and I think we should have good expectations,
09:59 that let's hope that you have delayed in giving the date of the elections,
10:03 and that there are no elections in Punjab,
10:05 that there are no elections in Kibri at the time,
10:07 and that there are no general elections either,
10:09 but whenever they are happening,
10:10 if it's delayed, if it's correct, then we should have good expectations.
10:13 Although some people are still in doubt.
10:16 But you know that you don't want to talk about this.
10:19 Amir Zia, you know that you don't want to talk about this.
10:21 That you don't want to express your doubts.
10:23 I am saying something else.
10:24 You don't want to express your doubts.
10:26 I am not saying this.
10:27 I am saying that there will be elections,
10:30 there will be 16 elections.
10:31 But the court should also make sure that
10:35 the elections will be transparent and clear.
10:37 And all the players will get an equal chance.
10:40 It won't be that in a lopsided way,
10:43 they are in favour of a party,
10:44 and against a party.
10:46 The People's Party is also complaining about this.
10:48 The People's Party is also complaining about this.
10:50 The People's Party is also complaining about this.
10:50 The People's Party is also complaining about this.
10:51 This is your interest.
10:52 Amir Ilyas Rana has also joined us in the studio.
10:54 This is a friendly fire of the party PMI.
10:56 It is obvious that in Punjab,
10:57 elections have been fought against each other since childhood.
10:59 It is a tradition.
11:00 In this entire setup,
11:01 in 18 months,
11:02 they sat under a non-formal constitution.
11:04 But who will they be speaking against?
11:07 And they will be speaking against each other.
11:09 So all these talks that are happening,
11:10 is it just a small banter?
11:13 Politically, or is there really a problem or issue between them?
11:16 Elections are always fought on political and real fights.
11:20 Everyone wants a share of their cake.
11:23 There is politics and there is power.
11:25 If you are going to the party conference,
11:27 how much strength do you have?
11:28 And if you are going to power,
11:29 what strength do you want?
11:30 Everyone wants it.
11:31 Zardari Sahib wanted his Bilawal to become the Prime Minister.
11:34 He was getting the BAP.
11:36 He was getting the PTI,
11:38 who were going from Punjab,
11:39 who were going from KP.
11:40 He thought that they will all get it,
11:41 and he will take the best share of the cake
11:43 and make his son the Prime Minister.
11:45 But he broke his dream in the PDM government itself,
11:47 when he found out that he has become an IPP,
11:49 a parliamentarian and a BAP.
11:51 He thanked them.
11:52 Today, you can see that the letter he was writing to Quddus Buzinjo,
11:55 he got fired from the party
11:56 and Khalid Maksi Sahib came to his party.
11:59 He has announced that he will go to coalition with Noon.
12:02 Half of his MPAs, who came from Noon,
12:05 I have a friend there,
12:07 who is also our minister,
12:08 when I asked him,
12:09 he said, "Look, Noon, Kaaf, BAP, then Noon.
12:14 This is our journey in the region of Balochistan.
12:17 A system operates there.
12:18 A system operates here.
12:19 A system operates there.
12:20 Let it be."
12:21 What is happening in Karachi?
12:23 When the PTI and Mustafa Kamal were having an election in 2018,
12:27 someone had a fight over the telephone one night.
12:29 Then, you are zero.
12:30 Mustafa Kamal is zero.
12:31 And the PTI heroes were picked up while sleeping.
12:33 Put up a banner, you have won.
12:35 Arrange for tea and water in the morning.
12:37 Here, the election was like this.
12:38 We will keep asking for a level playing field.
12:40 We will keep talking.
12:41 But the ground reality is that this is how it happens every time.
12:44 Then, why not once more?
12:46 Our friends ask,
12:48 "If there are mistakes in the past,
12:49 then don't make them again."
12:50 For that, you have to sit down.
12:51 For that, you have to make a path and a standard.
12:53 But they will sit down after the election.
12:54 Before that, there is no scope.
12:55 You can threaten and go to the state.
12:57 You did it on 9th May.
12:59 Now, you are not able to make a path.
13:01 You and I, the media, talk that it is a very good thing.
13:04 But the media has to talk what is present in front of them.
13:07 If we are saying that the Chief Justice has said this,
13:09 then the result of the media's discussion by the Chief Justice
13:12 is that they issued a press release
13:14 that we are not doing it on that.
13:15 Here, on fake news,
13:16 when the PTI was very much shocked
13:19 that the media has to be suppressed,
13:20 Fawad Chaudhary was the Prime Minister.
13:21 Today, Allah has removed him in difficulty.
13:23 I said something,
13:25 that on fake news, it should be suspended.
13:27 That he said to the TLP that it is made of Indian money.
13:30 And next week, that Indian money is over.
13:32 I demanded this.
13:33 Our offices are calling.
13:34 Remove him.
13:35 They are lying to us.
13:36 They are checking the secret fund.
13:37 I said, "Do it."
13:38 I did not say anything false.
13:40 You said in the cabinet press conference
13:41 that this is an Indian fund.
13:43 Here, the country runs like this.
13:45 When you go here, you go there.
13:47 Then you have no other way.
13:49 Politics should be like this.
13:51 For example, you have made a facilitation council.
13:54 If you want to run the country within that,
13:57 then you have to make all decisions for 10-15 years.
13:59 Not just for that.
14:02 That has become one.
14:03 That money will also come when you make the government stable.
14:08 As a result of this election,
14:09 there is a new definition of level playing field.
14:12 You say that in this country,
14:13 it is pragmatically the same.
14:14 For those whose situation is good,
14:15 there is a level playing field.
14:16 For others, there are difficulties.
14:18 After this election,
14:20 do you see stability?
14:22 You have to bring stability.
14:24 You cannot see it.
14:25 How?
14:26 You cannot get it.
14:27 When you, me, and everyone,
14:29 we are in our own circle.
14:30 And Pakistan is roaming in the same circle.
14:32 And we do not want any solution to get out of the box.
14:36 I have been saying this for a long time.
14:38 You have to put the army, the politicians,
14:41 the court, the civil bureaucrats in D-Chowk.
14:44 Everyone will have to say that we did this wrong.
14:46 If the army had made a press conference a while ago
14:48 that we kept on doing politics,
14:50 we are moving back,
14:51 in return, they have put another fight on them
14:53 that your new chief will also come at our will.
14:55 Whether we do a long march or we do anything.
14:58 You did not get it.
14:59 You did it on 9th May.
15:00 You did not get it.
15:01 The 20-20 bailiffs from the court,
15:04 the judge was sitting and waiting for two days,
15:06 and the work was over.
15:08 Now you and I are looking at it the other way,
15:10 that the Peshawar war is going on.
15:12 This will continue until you do not take a path.
15:14 You will not find a path.
15:16 You and I keep on talking about the same things.
15:18 That there is a lot of morality,
15:20 that there is a war here.
15:21 This has been happening with everyone.
15:23 Okay, those who are happy today,
15:24 then they will not cry tomorrow.
15:25 No, they have come here crying today.
15:27 Sometimes happiness, sometimes sorrow.
15:29 Again happiness, again sorrow.
15:31 We will come back from this break.
15:33 We will talk about Balochistan.
15:35 We will talk about the father party.
15:37 We saw that the leadership of the party
15:39 will be in the hands of Mr. Maksi.
15:41 We will talk to Mr. Maksi after the break.
15:43 We will take a look at that.
15:45 You will be with us.
15:46 Welcome back.
15:49 We have with us Amir Ilyas Rana,
15:51 Atar Kazmi and Amir Zia.
15:53 But the new development that has taken place today,
15:55 the leadership of the Balochistan Awami Party
15:57 has gone to Khalid Maksi.
15:59 He has been elected president without any competition.
16:01 He is also with us on the telephone line.
16:03 Why did this need arise?
16:05 Let's ask Khalid Maksi.
16:07 Hello, Mr. Maksi.
16:09 Hello. How are you?
16:11 Why did the Balochistan Awami Party
16:13 have to change its leadership?
16:15 Was this an already on agenda item
16:17 that was already decided?
16:19 Or has there been a sudden development in this?
16:21 What was the reason for this?
16:23 Mr. Kadus, our former president,
16:25 was not allowed to do so.
16:27 We were in the process.
16:29 We finally decided.
16:31 We told him.
16:33 He said, "Okay, I can't take out time."
16:35 So, we consulted.
16:37 Is he in the country or outside?
16:39 He has come to Karachi.
16:41 Okay.
16:43 So, he had to organize such a big event
16:45 in which he was elected without any competition.
16:47 Is this the reason for the questions?
16:49 No, without any competition.
16:51 This is the trust of the people.
16:53 Everyone has...
16:55 I mean...
16:57 The whole session has been held.
16:59 The whole system has been held.
17:01 There is nothing wrong in this.
17:03 Okay.
17:05 The whole process has been done.
17:07 The whole process has been done.
17:09 So, the situation is...
17:11 The rumours that the Balochistan Awami Party
17:13 is going to be zoned out,
17:15 some members are leaving and going to the Noon League.
17:17 What is the clarity about this?
17:19 Will BAP keep its Juda Gana status
17:21 intact in this election?
17:23 Well, it is clear now.
17:25 There is no room for it now.
17:27 There is no one who was hoping
17:29 that it will be zoned out.
17:31 What is left now?
17:33 If this is still in someone's mind,
17:35 I don't think
17:37 that anything is left.
17:39 So, in this election,
17:41 BAP is going to fight for
17:43 its own symbol, its own ticket,
17:45 its own 2000 rupee.
17:47 It is a full political party with office.
17:49 There is an office there.
17:51 The whole system is there.
17:53 Is the party intact?
17:55 There was a rumour that
17:57 the current KTK PM
17:59 is not a part of the party.
18:01 But he and his fellow BAP members
18:03 were leaning towards PM.
18:05 Is that the case now?
18:07 Or is the party intact?
18:09 Who can stop those who are leaving?
18:11 If they want to leave,
18:13 if they are weak,
18:15 they need steel of nerves.
18:17 They need to survive and
18:19 stay in parties.
18:21 It shows that our party survived
18:23 in such a difficult time.
18:25 It means it survived.
18:27 If they want, they can come back.
18:29 Now they will be assured that
18:31 BAP party is alive.
18:33 Sir, will Jam Kamal sir also
18:35 fight in BAP party?
18:37 No, he has not yet done anything like that.
18:39 But I have heard that
18:41 he met in Muslim League
18:43 and wants to go to Muslim League.
18:45 So, is his status still
18:47 unclear with BAP party?
18:49 We are clear.
18:51 Have they said goodbye to you
18:53 or are there still
18:55 some opportunities for meetings?
18:57 We are not able to understand
18:59 what is going to happen.
19:01 We are still in confusion.
19:03 We are not able to understand
19:05 when and what to do.
19:07 And Kakar sir, the current
19:09 KTK PM, what is his stance?
19:11 I think he has left.
19:13 As a Prime Minister,
19:15 he is not in a political process.
19:17 He is not in a political process.
19:19 But I think he is also
19:21 leaning towards Muslim League.
19:23 Is there any possibility
19:25 that when his tenure is over,
19:27 he will join Noon League?
19:29 I will ask him and
19:31 let you know.
19:33 And with People's Party,
19:35 will there be any seat adjustment
19:37 in Balochistan?
19:39 Or is there any possibility
19:41 of that in the future?
19:43 We are open hearted people.
19:45 The main aim of BAP party's survival
19:47 is to have an open and
19:49 straight mind.
19:51 We have good intentions.
19:53 We will sit with all the parties
19:55 and discuss.
19:57 Political process, seat adjustments,
19:59 alliance is a good thing.
20:01 Thank you very much.
20:03 We had with us Khalid Maksi.
20:05 Some of his colleagues,
20:07 Atar Kazmi,
20:09 they are not aware of Jam Kamal's
20:11 status.
20:13 They say that BAP party will fight
20:15 for the elections.
20:17 They have ruled out any
20:19 possibility of that.
20:21 I had met him before the elections.
20:23 Before the Nigrahan government came.
20:25 In fact, Kakar sir told me
20:27 that we had gone to meet him.
20:29 And we were told to join Noon League.
20:31 And we said that we will decide
20:33 after the elections.
20:35 So, it is possible that after the elections,
20:37 Kakar sir will decide where he wants to go
20:39 and what he wants to do.
20:41 But you know that BAP party
20:43 can play a role in the future
20:45 of Balochistan.
20:47 If there is any problem,
20:49 then it will be the Pakistan People's Party.
20:51 I don't think that they will join
20:53 Noon League.
20:55 Even if they don't join the Jamaat,
20:57 if they vote for Noon League,
20:59 then it will be for Noon League.
21:01 The first meetings with Kakar sir
21:03 and the current situation,
21:05 I think that in the future
21:07 of Balochistan,
21:09 in the recent future,
21:11 it will be for Kakar sir,
21:13 BAP party and Shibaz Sharif's party.
21:15 But, Aamir Zia,
21:17 this was a discussion about the party's
21:19 being disbanded.
21:21 BAP party should not keep
21:23 its separate party.
21:25 It should be back to PMLN.
21:27 Because, as it happened in the 2018 elections,
21:29 it should be over.
21:31 But, Maksi sir denied all these
21:33 rumours and said that we will fight the elections.
21:35 Let me add a small sentence.
21:37 Don't you think that the activities
21:39 of Noon League have been suspended?
21:41 Still, ask them.
21:43 It is a foreign record.
21:45 This sentence was given by
21:49 Atar Kazmi sir.
21:51 The interesting thing is that
21:53 Balochistan has its own political
21:55 limits.
21:57 The people's party and the
21:59 nationalist parties
22:01 cannot have much impact.
22:03 The name of Balochistan is very important
22:05 on the provincial level.
22:07 There is nationalism.
22:09 Secondly, Balochistan's politics
22:11 is like the House of Lords.
22:13 Most of the seats are taken
22:15 from the Pashtun belt.
22:17 The middle class seats are taken
22:19 from the Gwadar-Gwadar.
22:21 Otherwise, most of the seats are
22:23 taken from the Sardars.
22:25 Sardars go with the wind.
22:27 They go where they are told to go.
22:29 They go where they see an opportunity.
22:31 Many Sardars have this
22:33 kind of politics.
22:35 I think there will be a need for
22:37 a father.
22:39 He will be able to serve
22:41 the party better.
22:43 He will be able to make the
22:45 government in the centre.
22:47 There is no such nationalist
22:49 power like Mengel's party or
22:51 Dr. Malik's party.
22:53 There is no such nationalist party.
22:55 But, there are a lot of Sardars
22:57 in the party.
22:59 They can go to any party.
23:01 They will be a pressure group.
23:03 Yes, they will be.
23:05 They will be small or less.
23:07 Some people will go to other parties.
23:09 That is a different thing.
23:11 But, I am seeing that the father
23:13 will be active in the coming days.
23:15 Yes, Amir Ilyas Dana.
23:17 We have asked Mr. Maksi about
23:19 the two cents you have on this.
23:21 There was a rumour that there is
23:23 a zoom in PMLN.
23:25 People's party wanted it.
23:27 They said that the party is not
23:29 getting any zoom.
23:31 They said that the party will
23:33 remain a party.
23:35 I think it was clear that it
23:37 will be kept as a party.
23:39 When Mr. Bazinjo wrote a letter
23:41 to Asif Zardari, he said that
23:43 they will go to PMLN.
23:45 When Mr. Kakkar and
23:47 Mr. Jam Kamal met
23:49 with Mr. Maryam Nawaz,
23:51 there was Mr. Ved Rashid.
23:53 He said it very categorically.
23:55 I have been informed that
23:57 he said that they will
23:59 go to PMLN.
24:01 He said that they want to
24:03 do politics with the
24:05 party of Wifaaq.
24:07 They met with Mr.
24:09 Ved Rashid.
24:11 He became the
24:13 Minister of
24:15 the State.
24:17 We know that
24:19 there is a
24:21 Balochistan National Party.
24:23 There are other groups
24:25 like the KP.
24:27 These are small groups
24:29 that are kept to
24:31 keep the pendulum
24:33 stable.
24:35 They can also
24:37 be sad.
24:39 In Sindh, they
24:41 want to keep it in pockets.
24:43 In Punjab, the IPP is
24:45 being put in force.
24:47 They claim that they
24:49 are going to be the
24:51 Chief Minister.
24:53 If Pravesh Khattak wants
24:55 to meet the PTI,
24:57 the People's Party
24:59 is also saying that
25:01 they should also look at
25:03 the political issues.
25:05 They have to start
25:07 their journey from
25:09 the GDA.
25:11 If they can save themselves
25:13 from Faiz Yabbi in 2018,
25:15 and the GDA cannot become
25:17 the Chief Minister,
25:19 the People's Party
25:21 has to start their
25:23 journey from the GDA.
25:25 If we count the 54 days,
25:27 that will be the date.
25:29 Before that, the courts
25:31 will also decide.
25:33 Imran Khan's appeal
25:35 will be held on 7th November.
25:37 These things will go together.
25:39 The political parties
25:41 will start their jalsa.
25:43 The People's Party
25:45 was doing it from the beginning.
25:47 Now, the Noon Jalsa
25:49 will start again.
25:51 Some people from the
25:53 BJP will announce
25:55 that they have left the BJP
25:57 and are now in the Noon Jalsa.
25:59 In these days,
26:01 you and I will have a good
26:03 environment to discuss
26:05 the issues that were
26:07 raised and where they are standing.
26:09 The issues that were raised
26:11 will be discussed.
26:13 This is their job.
26:15 When we come back from the break
26:17 on Sindh, we will talk about
26:19 the political issues of Sindh.
26:21 In the last two years,
26:23 the People's Party has been
26:25 complaining but they
26:27 always negotiate and
26:29 resolve their issues.
26:31 This time, it seems
26:33 that this is going to happen.
26:35 We will talk about it
26:37 on the break.
26:39 Welcome back.
26:41 We are discussing the
26:43 elections in Karachi and Sindh.
26:45 The Pakistan People's Party
26:47 is in the lead.
26:49 The difference in votes
26:51 between the two parties is very high.
26:53 If we look at the
26:55 performance of the People's Party
26:57 in the local elections,
26:59 it is better.
27:01 Mufti Sahib Wahab has won
27:03 his election.
27:05 Faizullah is with us.
27:07 Faiz, what is the update?
27:09 It seems that the
27:11 PTI and the
27:13 Jamat-e-Islami's unity
27:15 could not stop the People's Party.
27:17 Is this a correct assessment?
27:19 The People's Party
27:23 was very excited about the
27:25 local elections.
27:27 Murtaza Wahab was
27:29 directly competing with the PTI.
27:31 Salman Murad,
27:33 the deputy with the PTI,
27:35 was also present.
27:37 The update is that Murtaza Wahab
27:39 has won by more than
27:41 3900 votes
27:43 from his UC Gizri.
27:45 In comparison to him,
27:47 the PTI and the Jamat-e-Islami
27:49 has won by 1500 votes.
27:51 Salman Murad,
27:53 the deputy mayor,
27:55 has won by more than
27:57 10,000 votes
27:59 from his UC
28:01 Gizri.
28:03 He has won by a large margin.
28:05 In comparison to him,
28:07 the Jamat-e-Islami's Ayub Khas Kheli
28:09 has won by more than 1000 votes.
28:11 The basic difference
28:13 between the deputy mayor
28:15 and the deputy mayor is that
28:17 Murtaza Wahab and Salman Murad
28:19 have won.
28:21 The People's Party
28:23 has also won.
28:25 The elections were held
28:27 in five districts.
28:29 Malir, Kemari, Sharti,
28:31 and Vasti were among them.
28:33 The People's Party
28:35 has won in most of the
28:37 districts.
28:39 The Jamat-e-Islami's
28:41 Ayub Khas Kheli has won.
28:43 In comparison to him,
28:45 the PTI has won.
28:47 So, Faiz,
28:49 let me take this important
28:51 point of yours
28:53 a step further.
28:55 In the next few months,
28:57 there will be general elections
28:59 in the country.
29:01 Can we say that the People's Party
29:03 will not face any political
29:05 challenges in Sindh?
29:07 The People's Party is
29:09 going to face challenges.
29:11 Will this assessment be correct?
29:13 Maria, repeat your question.
29:15 The People's Party
29:17 is comfortable in Sindh
29:19 when we are going towards
29:21 the general elections.
29:23 Can we take this from today's elections?
29:25 The elections that are going to happen
29:31 are all based on the same.
29:33 The first step for the People's Party
29:35 was to somehow
29:37 save its mayor.
29:39 And the mayor was successful
29:41 in saving him.
29:43 Murtaza Wahab has won.
29:45 The next elections
29:47 will be based on the traditional seats
29:49 of the People's Party.
29:51 They will be successful
29:53 but they have not yet
29:55 been successful in the district.
29:57 The Jamat-e-Islami has been ahead.
29:59 So, they will face challenges.
30:01 The People's Party will be ahead
30:03 in the traditional seats.
30:05 But in other places,
30:07 like in the districts,
30:09 like in Jinnah Town,
30:11 the Jamat-e-Islami has been successful
30:13 in winning the candidates.
30:15 So, they are ahead in the
30:17 elections.
30:19 Thank you, Faizullah,
30:21 for sharing your views.
30:23 Saudar Kazmi, the People's Party
30:25 has managed its political
30:27 challengers politically.
30:29 Some people have been
30:31 supported by the opposition
30:33 and some have been
30:35 included in the party.
30:37 The People's Party is
30:39 comfortable in Sindh.
30:41 What is their problem?
30:43 They don't have any political
30:45 challengers in Sindh.
30:47 In the previous elections,
30:49 the candidates of Pakistan
30:51 Tariq-e-Insaf and Jamat-e-Islami
30:53 were clearly represented.
30:55 We saw many videos of people
30:57 who were made to the side.
30:59 The media reported.
31:01 If you want to manage your
31:03 power and win the elections,
31:05 then you should leave
31:07 the politics of democracy.
31:09 You can do political management.
31:11 You can make a strategy
31:13 about your party,
31:15 which candidate you want
31:17 to include,
31:19 and you can make adjustments.
31:21 You can't let them vote.
31:23 You can't take four UC
31:25 chairmen.
31:27 This is not management.
31:29 This is the management
31:31 through which we saw
31:33 the Jamat-e-Islami
31:35 and Tariq-e-Insaf
31:37 complaining.
31:39 They also talked about
31:41 many issues with the media.
31:43 But having said that,
31:45 they have included many
31:47 political opponents.
31:49 If they feel there is a person
31:51 who can be politically
31:53 challenging for them,
31:55 they have included him.
31:57 I don't see any big challenge
31:59 in this.
32:01 But the issue is that
32:03 they have been collecting
32:05 bureaucracy for 15 years.
32:07 You must remember that
32:09 when the government
32:11 was in charge of Tariq-e-Insaf,
32:13 when the FIR was filed,
32:15 half of the police left the job.
32:17 You have seen that
32:19 the police officers
32:21 were not allowed to come.
32:23 This was the system
32:25 that they had established.
32:27 And they have established it.
32:29 The biggest issue is that
32:31 the government is not
32:33 providing the same facilities
32:35 as the Noon League in Punjab.
32:37 Nadeem Afzal Chand was saying
32:39 that the workers of the Noon League
32:41 are sitting in every bureaucracy in Punjab.
32:43 People's Party will have complaints
32:45 in Punjab.
32:47 The polls and their supporters
32:49 are in a difficult situation.
32:51 The people's party in Punjab
32:53 has no capacity to win the elections.
32:55 The problem is that
32:57 in Sindh, we have seen
32:59 that Bashir Memon and other people
33:01 are talking about political parties.
33:03 Can PMLN put a small dent
33:05 in the People's Party in this election?
33:07 Or will it be easy for the People's Party?
33:09 Will it be like the last election?
33:11 Will it be less or more?
33:13 Will it make a difference?
33:15 More or less, the People's Party
33:17 is comfortable in Sindh.
33:19 You have partially answered
33:21 my question.
33:23 More or less, it is comfortable.
33:25 As a person was saying,
33:27 the big electables
33:29 are with the people.
33:31 I am seeing that
33:33 the people's party is an entrenched party.
33:35 It has been formed in Sindh.
33:37 So, the people's party will be
33:39 more active in the city of Sindh.
33:41 It will be better in Karachi and Hyderabad
33:43 because the city governments are with it.
33:45 So, the people's party
33:47 will be more active in Sindh
33:49 and we are saying that
33:51 the criticism that they did not
33:53 perform well in 15 years
33:55 and the problems are less in the city of Sindh
33:57 or in the city of Sindh,
33:59 all that is their place.
34:01 But there is no exchange
34:03 of the Pakistan People's Party.
34:05 The Noon League does not exist
34:07 as a political party.
34:09 Now, the effort is being made
34:11 that GDA, MQM and JUIF
34:13 should try to pose a challenge
34:15 to them.
34:17 But, the people's party is not
34:19 being seen in Sindh.
34:21 Like the people's party of Godki
34:23 has recently joined the Pakistan
34:25 People's Party.
34:27 Now, they say that
34:29 GDA has become weaker because of this.
34:31 So, the electables' politics in Sindh
34:33 is not comparable to the people's party.
34:35 And the JUIF can also put a very
34:37 small dent if it meets
34:39 other political parties.
34:41 So, I think that when the people's party
34:43 will go to the 2024 elections,
34:45 it will not be as safe in Punjab
34:47 as the people's party is in Sindh.
34:49 So, you think that
34:51 the people's party will be more
34:53 ready to do the numbers
34:55 compared to Sindh.
34:57 If it goes to PMLN, there may not
34:59 be a margin in Punjab.
35:01 This is an interesting analysis.
35:03 At least, my sentence is that
35:05 there will be a challenge
35:07 in front of PMLN.
35:09 BTI will be in a bad condition
35:11 in the elections if it is allowed.
35:13 IPP will be there.
35:15 People's party will put a lot of
35:17 pressure in South Punjab.
35:19 There is competition in front of it.
35:21 There is no one-way traffic.
35:23 People's party has one-way traffic
35:25 in Sindh.
35:27 Amir Ilyas Chahan, is there any
35:29 threat to the people's party
35:31 in this current election?
35:33 Or is it just a political positioning
35:35 that we are going against the people's party?
35:37 Because the people's party is
35:39 a bad person in that village.
35:41 There are some dynamics.
35:43 Atar Kazmi has a word
35:45 'manage' in his mind.
35:47 Political management is
35:49 about who to make an ally
35:51 and who to leave.
35:53 Ghosh Baksh was the last person
35:55 who left the GDA and joined the people's party.
35:57 Sardari was approaching him directly.
35:59 I have spoken to him many times.
36:01 He was saying that I should go
36:03 with a tribe or we will be killed.
36:05 But there is no one left.
36:07 He tried to make Sardari's
36:09 political management.
36:11 He said that no one should
36:13 be left.
36:15 He said that we should
36:17 make adjustments.
36:19 This is absolutely right.
36:21 But as I told you in the last segment,
36:23 the level playing field
36:25 that they are asking for,
36:27 we will see how long they will ask for it.
36:29 Until they don't have any issue
36:31 in Sindh, they have a lot of
36:33 electables in the GDA.
36:35 They are in danger of losing
36:37 the elections.
36:39 They have worked in the Sindh
36:41 area and have made
36:43 connections with people.
36:45 You know where Bilawal
36:47 was coming from.
36:49 He had lost in Karachi.
36:51 No one could have imagined that
36:53 he would lose in Lihari.
36:55 He has learned a lesson.
36:57 But he has not learned
36:59 that we can do anything
37:01 by serving people.
37:03 He has learned how to strengthen
37:05 the people.
37:07 We will fight the elections
37:09 in Sindh.
37:11 PTI has always been
37:13 a competitor to PMLN.
37:15 There was no walkover.
37:17 There was no PTI in 2013.
37:19 There was a lot of atmosphere.
37:21 In 2018, they were the
37:23 toughest, but they won
37:25 in Punjab.
37:27 They did not prove
37:29 that they are changing parties
37:31 in minutes and seconds.
37:33 They were not doing press conferences
37:35 and they were not doing
37:37 anything.
37:39 This is the weakness of
37:41 Imran Khan.
37:43 He did not make his party
37:45 a party.
37:47 He made his fan club.
37:49 He did not let his party
37:51 become a leadership.
37:53 This is the PTI's
37:55 cut to size.
37:57 It will be beneficial in Punjab
37:59 and it will be harmful
38:01 in KP.
38:03 They have to do it in the north.
38:05 If there are candidates,
38:07 there will be a mark.
38:09 KP is not that easy.
38:11 PMLN won in the north.
38:13 Mansehra and Hizara
38:15 were in the north.
38:17 Where will the coalition
38:19 stand?
38:21 FPM will fight separately.
38:23 ANP, People's Party and Noon
38:25 will fight separately.
38:27 Where will the Patriot stand?
38:29 How big will PTI be?
38:31 We will talk about it later.
38:33 If they make a coalition,
38:35 there will be no way for PTI.
38:37 Do you think that
38:39 they can fight by
38:41 adjusting seats and
38:43 coalition?
38:45 Or will it happen after the elections?
38:47 Will they win their seats?
38:49 Will they take their share in the
38:51 elections?
38:53 In 2018, Pakistan and Muslim League
38:55 did not face the same situation
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