"Former DG ISI ne kaha ke hum sirf mahol bana sakte hain baaqi...," Muneeb Farooq's revelation
"Former DG ISI ne kaha ke hum sirf mahol bana sakte hain baaqi...," Muneeb Farooq's revelation
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00:00 I met DG IS, Mr. Zahirul Islam, in a gathering a while back.
00:06 I asked him, purely inquisitive, as a Yamlaa,
00:11 I asked him, "Sir, what happened in 2014?"
00:14 You know, he said, "We can only create an environment."
00:19 And we created that environment.
00:21 Muneeb Farooq sahib, this debate,
00:25 who appointed the Minister of Defence?
00:30 I don't know if elections will be held at this time or not.
00:33 This is also an achievement of our 76 years.
00:35 I don't think such a strong debate has ever been held before this,
00:40 at least I don't remember, unless it was a big event,
00:43 when no one knew that elections would be held.
00:46 Look, Mr. Gajji, I think some things are connected to this.
00:50 First, I think this debate has become redundant,
00:53 and that's also right, you said, "It's a done deal,
00:57 Mr. Kakar is here, he's an educated man,
01:00 I think a good stopgap arrangement will be made for us."
01:03 But now the question remains,
01:05 why is this uncertainty looming over us, over the elections?
01:09 Now, there are two reasons for this, which I understand.
01:12 One is that the return of Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
01:16 the former Prime Minister, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
01:19 has said that he will come next week.
01:21 But we don't know if Mr. Nawaz Sharif will return,
01:25 and if he does, then his political future is in question.
01:28 If I close my eyes and accept that the decision on the Samirullah Baloch case
01:34 is legally undue by the amendment of the Election Act,
01:37 then there are still two convictions that Mr. Nawaz Sharif has to satisfy,
01:41 that of Al-Aziziyah and Evanfield.
01:43 As many as possible, it's a bad decision, but obviously it's a time-taking procedure.
01:46 One, I think there is no certainty in it.
01:49 That can be one reason for the delayed elections.
01:52 And more than that, I think, more than that,
01:55 the situation of Pakistan's movement towards justice at the moment,
01:59 look, Imran Khan went to jail, I think he's done for the moment.
02:03 And I think that so many things are not in place for him.
02:07 Yes, but Muneeb, look at how he went,
02:09 you had to write in this box, you wrote in this box.
02:11 Absolutely, what you are saying is absolutely correct.
02:13 The decision is basically that you should have written in this box,
02:16 you wrote in this box, you have no right to refuse.
02:19 We couldn't get rid of that in 76 years.
02:22 I mean, from the time we gave the verdict to Bashar al-Nusra,
02:25 we are still going to this extent.
02:27 Look, until the courts give the verdicts and the verdicts are taken,
02:33 then, Kashif bhai sahib, this is what will happen.
02:36 Like the Panama decision was also taken,
02:38 after that a lot more happened in our country,
02:41 it was taken, so this decision was also taken.
02:43 Now the problem is what are the basic problems in this decision?
02:46 Look, you have to ensure,
02:48 Mustafa bhai is also a very intelligent man,
02:51 he knows when cases go to the courts,
02:54 you have to see at least one thing,
02:58 that no one feels that injustice has been done.
03:00 Look, this is such a strange thing,
03:02 that the case of the rights of defense that you just talked about,
03:04 the Islamabad High Court has noticed that,
03:07 and at the same time, the Islamabad High Court is not stopping the trial.
03:10 In fact, it is stopping the trial of the trial of the proprietary demands or justice demands.
03:15 Or they say, don't give the verdict now,
03:17 first we will take the final argument on the rights of defense.
03:19 Okay, that's done too.
03:20 In just one day, a call is coming,
03:23 you imprison someone,
03:25 I have no objection to the fact that Imran Khan made so many mistakes in it,
03:30 he must have done it,
03:31 and if you have to punish, punish people,
03:33 you have already evolved the first law on misdeclaration,
03:38 now after that this was bound to happen.
03:40 But, now see how many things have been added to it.
03:43 I think that there is this problem,
03:46 that Imran Khan is in jail at the moment,
03:50 but a fact is that when you go into people,
03:53 and as a journalist you also talk to people,
03:56 when we find out about some unreported surveys,
03:59 they tell us a completely different picture.
04:01 They tell us that,
04:03 no doubt Imran Khan has done what no one has done before in Pakistan,
04:08 and he went not actually a bit, way too far.
04:12 And he has done a lot of wrong things,
04:14 and he has given his vote in his own vats,
04:16 and he has done his voter.
04:17 But the fact is that people still have blind faith in Imran Khan's statements,
04:21 that those statements are based on lies,
04:23 that there are two-digit numbers,
04:24 that there is self-serving interest in it,
04:26 but people still have faith in him.
04:29 Now this is my or your...
04:30 Sir, what is blind faith?
04:32 What?
04:33 What is blind faith?
04:36 People follow him or not,
04:38 it is not our decision whether he is blind, dumb or deaf.
04:42 The one who is with Niaz sir,
04:43 Niaz sir's supporter,
04:44 the people's party's voter.
04:47 But there is a difference in this,
04:49 there are still people in PTIA,
04:52 when you go out and ask them about what happened on 9th May,
04:56 or what was happening before,
04:58 or what was done against the army,
05:00 or what was done against the army,
05:02 or what was done against the army,
05:04 or what was done against the army,
05:06 they say that there is no connection between them,
05:08 that there was nothing,
05:09 that everything happened automatically.
05:12 You find people defending it.
05:14 So when you interact with such people,
05:16 then you actually get to feel that this is something
05:19 that you have to close your eyes and say,
05:21 "No, what you are saying is wrong,
05:22 what I am thinking and understanding,
05:24 or what my leader is thinking and understanding,
05:26 is right."
05:27 So this is a new normal in our country,
05:30 that whoever is removed or housed in this way,
05:33 He will shout, "Why did you remove me?"
05:35 This is normal, right?
05:37 See, why did you remove me is fine,
05:39 and many others are sitting outside,
05:41 that is also fine.
05:42 But people have also learned that
05:44 if there is a dispute, there will be a dispute.
05:46 The problem is that there are already some avenues for this,
05:48 there is no new avenue for this.
05:50 But Qazi sahib, this is also a fact,
05:52 that in our country,
05:54 you know this better than me,
05:56 that in our country,
05:58 you are so openly,
06:00 how many are there in 9th May?
06:02 No, no, who said that 9th May is fine?
06:04 That's crossing red lines.
06:06 Exactly.
06:07 You who can in this country,
06:08 see, attack the parliament,
06:10 climb on the PTV building,
06:12 climb on some building,
06:14 climb on a private house,
06:16 this is not acceptable,
06:18 this is not acceptable in any society.
06:20 Sir, I am not saying this.
06:22 No, sir, see,
06:24 what is the reason for the criticism
06:26 that you have attacked this, you have attacked that,
06:28 everyone already knows this,
06:30 that you go to the parliament,
06:32 you go to the PTV,
06:34 these things are not acceptable.
06:36 These lines, these red lines should be there.
06:38 Sir, I am saying the same thing,
06:40 I am saying the same thing, sir,
06:42 that these things are not acceptable,
06:44 the attack on Sajjad Ali Shah's Supreme Court,
06:46 that is also not acceptable,
06:48 after that,
06:50 in 2014, the storm that happened in Islamabad,
06:52 that is also not acceptable,
06:54 the whole drama of Islamabad lockdown,
06:56 that is also not acceptable,
06:58 the problem is that this is the first time
07:00 it has hit home.
07:02 Now I have realized that this is a sign of a state,
07:04 you have attacked our institutions,
07:06 this is very wrong, and I am a Pakistani hert.
07:08 But the fact is that why didn't we realize this earlier?
07:10 When this misbehavior started earlier,
07:12 we should have done it then,
07:14 but the problem is that I am,
07:16 I am saying this in your program,
07:18 that the DGIS who came at that time,
07:20 I met him in a gathering a while back,
07:22 I asked him,
07:24 purely inquisitive,
07:26 as a Yamuna,
07:28 I said, sir, what happened in 2014?
07:30 You know,
07:32 MashaAllah,
07:34 he said, we can only create an environment,
07:36 and we created that environment.
07:38 That's how it was.
07:40 That's how it was, we created a show,
07:42 the next day there was no show.
07:44 I said, sir, are we living on La La Land?
07:46 What has happened? For God's sake.
07:48 This is the problem,
07:50 everyone, as you said,
07:52 you gave an example of Zerul Islam,
07:54 after a while you will know
07:56 who, who, look, these are the governments,
07:58 who did what,