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00:00Assalamu alaikum, Gajjup sir, how are you?
00:07I am fine.
00:08Today, your party has troubled everyone by saying that we will not go to the budget
00:15meeting.
00:16For a minute, people said, what is happening?
00:19What will happen to the government?
00:21But I heard later, I spoke to Noonwala.
00:24He said, you yourself were present in the briefings on the budget.
00:28Noon gave you a briefing.
00:30You agreed on everything.
00:32Where is the problem now?
00:34No, you have heard Noonwala's version, you have not heard our version.
00:39We did not agree on anything.
00:42They did give us a briefing, but the issues we highlighted, they did not give any solution
00:50to it and did not give any answer to it either.
00:54So, Mr. Kashyap, this Noon's sorry to say, this was also our problem in the PTM government
01:01and today, because of this, we are not going to the government.
01:05So, this is the problem even today.
01:07Sir, tell me one thing, we will have to ask you what the issues are so that we can write
01:11them in bold letters so that we know that if these issues are solved, the People's Party
01:14will vote or else it will not vote.
01:16Otherwise, it will look like I was giving an example of Punjabi on TV today.
01:19By the way, you know Punjabi, right?
01:21You must have learned from Mr. Zardari.
01:23The example of Punjabi is that if you eat a scorpion, you will get a roll.
01:27Do you also get a roll?
01:29And do you also do charity from time to time?
01:31No, no, there is no such thing.
01:34We are not eating anything.
01:36There is no such thing.
01:38Look, let me tell you, this was the problem in the PDM government as well.
01:43And today, Chairman Bilawal called a parliamentary meeting so that we can decide our future.
01:53So, if Noon wants to do the same thing as they did last time, then it is obvious that
02:01we will have to take some position somewhere.
02:04But sir, first tell us the issues.
02:06These are the issues.
02:08If Noon does not become a human being, then we will leave the government.
02:12No, we will support the budget.
02:14Tell us those issues so that we can have a scale on which you can assess
02:17what you have decided at this time and why you have changed it in the future.
02:22Look, let me tell you, no decision has been made.
02:25No decision has been made.
02:27And we are not in the government, so how can we leave it?
02:30So, I am just telling you that the issues are typical budget issues.
02:35Discussion on PSDP.
02:37The new taxes that you are going to impose on them.
02:42The NFC that you are going to discuss.
02:45The NFC that you want to patent.
02:48The price fixing that you want to end on commodities.
02:53Whatever these things are, you need to discuss this and take our view and come to a conclusion.
03:02And this opportunity has been given again and again.
03:05But there is a briefing and after that, the matter ends.
03:10So, if the PMLN government does privatization,
03:13they say that we are selling everything, what will the People's Party do?
03:17Look, when the PDM government was on privatization,
03:22the People's Party had given them a framework and had agreed on it
03:27that if you do privatization on this framework, then we have no objection.
03:31And if you don't do it on it, then they are going to privatize.
03:34No.
03:35We agreed on privatization.
03:38Sir, you were talking about a public-private partnership, right?
03:41That if you sell a part, you should not sell the rest.
03:43Yes.
03:44So, if they don't do this, they say that we are selling, then?
03:47Look, privatization is also a public-private partnership.
03:51But it depends how you do it.
03:54You sold PTCL, that is also a public-private partnership.
03:58Till date, there are shares in the government.
04:00All the banks have shares in the government.
04:03It is not like that.
04:04There will be a minority share, but there is a share.
04:06You are saying that this is right.
04:08Yes, absolutely.
04:09Look, there are different ways and different types of privatization.
04:14So, in that, a public-private partnership is one way of privatization.
04:21So, because we have experience and we have done that in many projects in the government of Sindh,
04:28So, we gave them a proposal that instead of taking something and giving it to someone,
04:34And in this, you should make such a structure that the government should also be there,
04:40And the operator should also be there.
04:44And it should be a successful model.
04:47And the employees should also be addressed.
04:49And the things that we are concerned about should also be addressed.
04:55So, we have never said anything that has not been addressed.
04:59So, you think this will not be a sticking point.
05:01But a big sticking point can come.
05:03A big voice has started coming.
05:04Mr. Mifta has said, Mr. Zubair is sitting.
05:06Mr. Zubair has said that this cannot happen immediately.
05:08Because, of course, the People's Party is a major stakeholder.
05:10I am talking about the NFC award.
05:11But Mr. Mifta says that without revising it, without reviewing it, it will not go ahead.
05:16Because since the NFC has come, if our loan was increasing at this rate before,
05:20Now it has increased at this rate.
05:22And today, the amount of tax that we collect, how are we returning it?
05:28NFC.
05:29But the second question related to this is that Sindh will have to raise its tax too.
05:35In Karachi, I was giving examples in the first part of the program.
05:39Sometimes we listen to the example of Pune.
05:41Sometimes we listen to the example of Tehran.
05:42Sometimes we hear that London collects so much tax.
05:44Maybe so and so collects so much tax.
05:46These people collect more tax than the total tax collection of our country.
05:50So, is this also a thought that if we do not give NFC and if we have to do it,
05:55then at least generate tax from here and give it to someone.
05:58Look, Mr. Kashyap, Karachi collects the most tax even today.
06:03I want you to keep this program on tax one day.
06:07In which you ask for all the details of tax.
06:11From where, from where, what tax is collected?
06:13Okay.
06:14You must have seen, Mr. Shabbar Zaidi was doing a program on your channel.
06:18He was saying that there is a market of Karachi that gives more tax than the whole of Lahore.
06:24So, what I am trying to tell you is that there is no problem in increasing tax.
06:31But only Karachi will not increase the tax.
06:34Sir, I am saying that this question should be asked from all provinces that every province should generate its tax.
06:39Whether it is its sales tax, whether it is property tax.
06:46You go to London, sir.
06:48There is a parking of two and a half pounds, four pounds per hour.
06:52If you enter the city, they give you a congestion charge.
06:55Now they have put a new tax in London city.
06:58They have put a tax on pollution.
07:00If this happens, they will give this tax.
07:02If this happens, they will give this tax.
07:03There are council taxes.
07:04There are road taxes.
07:05The problem here is that you talk about tax generation.
07:08Someone told me that because you have a port, all the tax there goes to your books.
07:13All the head offices are in your city.
07:16Their tax goes to the books of Karachi.
07:18How much tax does the city of Karachi itself impose?
07:20This is the real thing, sir.
07:22Sir, I am ready to debate on this too.
07:25I am not talking about the head office.
07:28I am not talking about those things that the head offices are there for people.
07:33They file there.
07:34We are not talking about that.
07:35These people are going in a different direction.
07:37I am talking about the net Karachi tax collection.
07:40Nothing to do with the head office of a company is there.
07:43But I want this misunderstanding to be removed.
07:47Lahore, Peshawar and Quetta should collect their taxes.
07:52They should impose taxes.
07:54Where Wafaaq is told to impose taxes, the provinces should also impose taxes.
07:57Absolutely. You are right.
07:59But the Wafaaq tax, the sale tax that Wafaaq collects, it is not imposed.
08:07Sir, why don't they impose it?
08:09This is the problem.
08:10Why don't politicians impose their taxes in the provinces?