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00:08 Back with another episode of the Cedric Maxwell podcast.
00:11 I am Josue Pavone.
00:12 He is Cedric Maxwell.
00:13 And in light of Dr. J and bailing his top 10 all time NBA players, we're going to do
00:18 top five.
00:19 We're going to do top five.
00:21 Maybe we'll get in top 10.
00:22 I want to hear your take on it, Max, especially because I feel like he really personified
00:26 this list.
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00:41 But yeah, Max, I want to get your take on Dr. J's list.
00:44 We spoke briefly about it and you nailed it.
00:46 You nailed it when you guessed what?
00:48 What exactly did you guess that his list would look like?
00:50 Well, I knew it was going to be some people that he that he looked at as his idols and
00:55 his role models.
00:57 And before you even told me, I knew he'd have Elgin Baylor up there.
01:00 He said, I I modeled my game after Elgin Baylor was a guy gave Seth Sanders was 65, 63 in
01:11 a in a Lakers Celtic game.
01:14 And Seth said there was no way to stop him.
01:17 And Seth Sanders was an all time defender.
01:21 So I think Dr. J is going to pick people that were probably more in front of him that he
01:28 that he was, you know, those were his role models and the guys behind him like you like
01:34 the Kobe's and LeBron's.
01:36 I just don't think he has a love because of one, you know, those guys, he didn't I don't
01:43 think he played against Kobe.
01:44 I'm pretty sure Kobe was not in the league when Dr. J, because he came out.
01:50 Yeah, I didn't play against Kobe.
01:51 So 96.
01:52 Yeah, yeah.
01:53 He didn't play against Kobe.
01:55 So yeah.
01:56 Yeah, right.
01:57 I mean, look, he kept it like you said, I mean, guys that influenced him, obviously
02:00 he's an NBA player, a legend.
02:02 So he has his own list.
02:05 And I like that he didn't try to satisfy a particular generation or try to be politically
02:10 correct and saying, oh, Jordan has to be number one and so on and so forth.
02:14 But yeah, let's go through it.
02:15 Let's go through.
02:16 I mean, the way he did it is he broke it down between two parts.
02:18 And this is a podcast he did with Joy DeAngelo.
02:23 And the first part, the first section, the first five goes like this.
02:28 He says the group, the all time best team, right for him.
02:33 I have five guys who are untouchable.
02:36 Bill Russell, Will Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West and Elgin Baylor.
02:42 So you called me the other day.
02:44 He made the top five.
02:45 And then he says the next group of guys would be Kareem, Michael Jordan, Irvin Johnson or
02:51 Magic of course, and Carmelone, probably Carmelone.
02:55 He said, oh, he struggles with that 10th with number 10.
03:01 He says, and I quote, I always argue with my son where Tim Duncan belongs.
03:05 And he's like, he belongs ahead of Carmelone for sure.
03:07 I'm taking Carmelone, Irving explained.
03:09 And that's the last position, he said.
03:12 But for him, he likes Tiny Archibald, your boy.
03:14 I love that he mentioned Tiny.
03:16 I can't believe that, you know, the guy that he fought, the guy he had a fight with, Larry
03:23 Bird.
03:24 He didn't have his name down.
03:26 He didn't make the list.
03:27 As you can imagine, Southwest fans were enraged on social media.
03:31 It's a little bias.
03:35 But you know, this is what a top 10 list is for him.
03:39 Not necessarily for everybody.
03:41 Just like when we do the whole thing about Mount Rushmore.
03:44 I said to people, give me your Mount Rushmore.
03:47 It doesn't have to be my Mount Rushmore, but it's NY.
03:52 So if Julius decided that, you know, those were his guys, who's to argue with Julius
03:58 Irving planning to get talking about maybe, you know, possibly the five greatest to ever
04:03 play the game.
04:04 You know, I'm a huge Kareem Abdul-Jabbar fan.
04:09 I'm a huge Wilt Chamberlain fan.
04:11 I'm a huge Bill Russell fan.
04:13 Do I have any guards at all that are going to get in there?
04:17 You know, I feel about Lajuan.
04:19 So I mean, you think about those people, man, and I just say, this is how that list kind
04:25 of goes.
04:26 So I really don't know.
04:28 Right.
04:29 No question.
04:32 So I'm not torn.
04:35 I'm not surprised.
04:36 I'm kind of thought that that's where Dr. J would go it because of the guys that he
04:41 knew and the guys he played against and the guys he idolized.
04:46 And I have always heard him talk about Elgin Baylor over and over again, just how great
04:53 Elgin Baylor was as a player and how people didn't understand how great he was.
04:58 So and that was one of the guys that Doc said he idolized his game after.
05:03 All right, well, Max, who who who you're top five.
05:06 Let's just get out of the way of the whole go conversation all time.
05:10 No, no.
05:11 Five guys that influence you the most, whether it's on the court, whether it's as a you know,
05:15 as a fan of the game, seeing someone play after you're playing days and be like, wow,
05:19 like that guy is a great give it give me the top five right now.
05:22 Yeah, you do.
05:24 You want to get the guys who influence you the most as a player.
05:28 And when you grew up and you watch them.
05:31 My favorite player was Kareem Abdul Jabbar when I was watching him early on.
05:37 So you know, I would I always thought that he was like my top.
05:41 Bill Russell was my villain because he won all the time.
05:45 So you look at those names as players are going to influence you with your behavior.
05:55 Now it might be a little different with me because now I feel like I'm running the gambit
06:00 because I remember Russell and I remember Chamberlain.
06:05 I played against Kareem.
06:07 I played against Michael Jordan.
06:09 Larry Bird was a teammate.
06:12 Magic I played against, you know, Elijah Wan.
06:15 But then I moved from that to another era as a broadcaster.
06:20 So I've had 27 years to evaluate and look at LeBron's look at the deep ways of the world.
06:26 Look at the Kevin Garnett's the Tim Duncan.
06:28 So I'm my my stratosphere is probably going to be a lot different and a lot bigger than
06:35 most people when they talk about top fives in the NBA.
06:38 Well, yeah, I think I think that's the part that that makes it fun, right?
06:42 Like which players break through per generation, right?
06:45 Obviously, for me, I can't speak on Larry Bird or even Dr. J himself because I didn't
06:50 watch those guys play.
06:51 But I still got at least one of those guys on my top 10.
06:54 You know, I mean, even though I didn't see those guys play, you feel the influence, obviously
06:59 growing up in Boston.
07:00 And also you compare it to what you see and what you saw up close, up close and personal,
07:05 right?
07:06 So I it's interesting because, yeah, which names make that list, even though you didn't
07:10 get to watch them, but the impact and the influence still had an effect on you.
07:14 Right.
07:15 And that's what a lot of these younger NBA players.
07:17 That's why their list are surprising people.
07:18 I mean, some of these rookies talking about entering the draft this year were mentioning,
07:23 you know, Paul George, some of their favorite players like what you know, as a potential
07:27 go like that for you.
07:29 That's that's insane.
07:30 But for someone who was born in, I don't know, 2002, maybe it's not that far off.
07:34 You know what I mean?
07:35 So, yeah, your your look and your vision of the way the game is playing is completely
07:41 different.
07:42 I mean, think about Joe, you think about Joel Embiid.
07:45 If you had him back during the years of Chamberlain and Russell was ability to shoot the ball
07:50 from the outside, the post up his skills, the floor, you know, would he be one of those
07:56 all time great names?
07:58 You know, it's just it's just really it's up to speculation.
08:02 You know, you asked me, you know, I'll say my the most dominant player to ever play the
08:08 game to me was a Kimo Lajuan.
08:11 I've said that countless times, and I think only people who play with the Houston Rockets
08:16 or play with a team would be able to identify just how good he was.
08:20 And I say only because he dominated both ends of the floor.
08:25 He dominated the offensive end crazy, but he was just as good, if not more dynamic on
08:32 the defensive end.
08:33 You know, where Michael Jordan was a great defender individually, one on one, a Kimo
08:37 Lajuan dominated the game completely as a basketball player, because you were always
08:41 looking over your shoulder.
08:43 Where is a Lajuan if I'm coming towards Uber, if I'm trying to get a jump shot, one of the
08:48 few guys in the league to ever have a quadruple double.
08:53 And he did that more than two times.
08:55 And the only quadruple double is that's what double figures, rebounds, double figure points.
09:00 Yeah, well, if you don't know, just just think about it.
09:03 I think you're right here.
09:05 Double figure steals and double figure block shots.
09:08 Can you imagine that somebody getting 10 block shots, but then having 10 steals and then
09:13 having double figure rebounds?
09:15 You can say double double all day, but the triple double is hard to do.
09:19 But the quadruple double is almost impossible to do at the position he played as a center.
09:26 That's why I say he was so dominant as a player.
09:29 When I go from there, I say it just gets hard then because.
09:36 Kareem was the all time leading scorer, the most dominant scorer ever.
09:41 That's the guy.
09:42 That's the guy you idolize.
09:43 But when I take him over Russell, though, for the number of championships that Bill
09:48 Russell won.
09:50 So I probably would have to say a lot as you want.
10:02 I go at a lot as you want.
10:03 Russell.
10:04 I would go with Bird.
10:05 As much as I, Michael Jordan, and as much as I hate to give him credit, I'd have to
10:14 go with magic as my as my fifth guy, because if I'm rounding out my team, I want that guy
10:20 who's handling the ball, being the distributor, not pushing the basketball around.
10:25 So that would be my top five of all time.
10:28 No, no, no, no, no, no.
10:30 Not kicking at LeBron.
10:31 I think LeBron is unbelievable.
10:33 I look at some of the guys who play now.
10:35 The skill sets are crazy.
10:38 But those five would be my top five guys.
10:41 See, a lot of those bigs, I put them in my top ten, but they're not in my top five.
10:46 But again, I'm from a different generation of watching this sport.
10:49 Right.
10:50 But then again, I do still remember the first couple of years when I was really young, how
10:54 influential the big man was.
10:56 I remember the old saying, you can't win a championship without a big man.
10:58 You know, that's changed in a big way.
11:00 You know, the larger ones of the world and, you know, the Shaquille O'Neal in his prime.
11:04 I mean, you need one of those guys to win a championship.
11:06 But once upon a time, Tim Duncan, even.
11:09 Right.
11:10 I feel like the position was basketball.
11:11 We've been seeing the last 10 years change that change that narrative, especially with
11:15 the goals they warriors did in their dynasty.
11:18 How does that elevate a guy like Kevin Garnett?
11:21 You think about the guy who can shoot the ball from the outside?
11:24 Yeah, sure.
11:25 Basketball.
11:26 Elijah one was the post up player.
11:28 He would get you about 10 to 15.
11:31 Kevin Garnett could step up beyond that and knock down those shots.
11:34 Run the floor, rebound and block shots.
11:37 To guard multiple positions.
11:40 Crazy, unbelievable skill set of passing.
11:44 And the biggest thing about Kevin Garnett to me, leadership and as a leader and what
11:49 he's able to do as a leader.
11:51 That's that's to me, that's great.
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12:17 You know, you just you just you saying that I just it just sprung a question right now
12:22 and I'm going to ask around the spot.
12:23 Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett?
12:26 Oh.
12:30 Because I feel like it's a it's most people are saying Duncan without even thinking about
12:34 it, most people saying Duncan without hesitation.
12:37 Right.
12:38 But being around Kevin Garnett for for the years he played with Boston, I I can't take
12:47 Tim Duncan blindly over him.
12:50 Tim Duncan could have an edge because the number of championships he won.
12:55 But you also look at the supporting cast that Tim Duncan had comparably to Kevin Garnett.
13:00 If Kevin Garnett had been with Boston for his entire year playing with Paul Pierce and
13:05 Ray and those guys, they get three at least.
13:09 How many championships is this Kevin Garnett win because of his leadership?
13:15 That's that's the crazy thing about his leadership.
13:18 The intangibles there.
13:19 Tim Duncan was a quiet leader.
13:21 He was a quiet and efficient.
13:23 But Kevin Garnett was in your face.
13:25 He was he was the 90s baby.
13:29 He was the two that he was that that kind of guy that that you see kids now Instagram
13:35 talking about guys.
13:36 That's who Kevin Garnett is.
13:38 He was he's that.
13:39 And you look at his persona now, I think has gotten bigger.
13:44 Even you think about the media, Tim Duncan's talent getting smaller.
13:47 But Kevin Garnett, you see him on all these commercials, you see him doing all these different
13:51 things.
13:52 And his personality is just something that was was infectious.
13:58 And you think about who he was.
13:59 Yes.
14:00 I like I like the quote that you the quote that was flown around Celtics nation that
14:04 first season when he when he came to Boston, which is what you had to say about who he
14:08 is on the defensive end, who he is on the offensive end of the floor, you know, 10 out
14:11 of 10 or close to it on both ends of the floor.
14:13 And it's really hard to find guys like that, especially of his size, right?
14:17 Can shoot from the outside, can defend one through five if he has to.
14:20 And look, you put him in a situation where he starts his career the way Tim Duncan did.
14:25 And I think you see very similar results in terms of accolades, championships, MVPs.
14:28 I mean, he got one with Minnesota, but, you know, being being a member of the San Antonio
14:33 Spurs, that's going to help you.
14:35 Right.
14:36 If you're Kevin Garnett, if that were the case, you know, you know, listen, I bet it
14:38 would play in with David Robinson going from there with the other guys he played with,
14:45 Manu, Tony Parker, you just go down the now.
14:49 Obviously, he made their careers better.
14:51 But then also you think about one of the all time, you know, leading coaches, Greg Popovich
14:56 has to be one of the all time leaders.
14:59 We think about his 100 percent, he demanded people.
15:03 And the thing that I've always heard and I talked to Sean Elliott, who played with San
15:08 Antonio with Tim Duncan, he says, he said the thing that made Tim so great was the fact
15:13 that he was able to accept the challenge that Greg Popovich gave.
15:20 He said Greg Popovich would rip him a new ass.
15:24 And he would do it in front of everybody.
15:26 And that only made Tim better, whereas some people could not take that kind of abuse or
15:32 could not be challenged in that way.
15:35 That's what made that that's what made the relationship great.
15:38 But that's what made them a great team, because if he said, if you could chew on Timmy's ass,
15:45 rip him a new one, he said, everybody else just kind of fell in line.
15:48 So that's what you know, that that's something that people won't even understand.
15:53 And it's funny that you mentioned Tim Duncan is it was had to be about four or five years
15:59 ago before the game.
16:00 He was assistant coach with the Spurs and he's walking out on the floor.
16:04 He has a knee brace on and all this stuff.
16:06 He's going to go out there and work out some of the guys.
16:10 And he walked by me.
16:11 I said, damn, Tim, I said, there's a five of my championship rings right now with you.
16:17 And he goes, damn, cornbread man, I'm sorry, man.
16:22 You know, and the Celtics were prime.
16:27 This is what people will kick ML Carr about the fact ML Carr had this team primed almost
16:33 to give it to him, Duncan, because they were right there in the lottery that year.
16:37 What do you mean?
16:38 Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, Max.
16:39 You mean you mean before the word tanking was going around that the bosses?
16:45 No, actually.
16:46 Well, you think what's Antonio did when they got Tim Duncan?
16:51 They lost how many games they lose?
16:52 How many games did they lose a year that they got David Robinson was tanking involved.
16:59 But ML Carr had this with this team in a great one day.
17:03 We're going to have him on.
17:04 We're going to have him on.
17:05 Let him talk and tell you about what he was doing and how he felt about this team.
17:11 He had this team, as he told me, he said.
17:13 When Rick Pitino came in, he had this team under the salary gap.
17:18 He said this team had two first round draft picks, which were going to be in the top five
17:23 or, you know, maybe something like ended up being three and six.
17:27 But yeah, that was the that's what they thought.
17:29 And the Celtics were just unfortunate.
17:30 It could have been could have been one in three.
17:34 But Rick Pitino didn't get that.
17:37 And then he was impatient.
17:38 He went out and got Travis Travis Knight as a Travis much money.
17:44 And his explanation was Travis Knight was a great rebounder, one of the best rebounders
17:50 per minute in the NBA.
17:52 He was playing on the other side of the shack.
17:55 It's like you didn't miss that many shots.
18:01 So right.
18:02 Right.
18:03 I didn't.
18:04 I didn't.
18:05 But he was impatient.
18:06 Then he got Andrew.
18:07 He was a man got Clark.
18:08 I forgot about that.
18:09 Do you think it was a bag?
18:10 That was another guy he got from Cleveland.
18:14 I can't remember his name, brother, about six, six, six, six, seven shooter and got him.
18:20 But he lasted a moment.
18:21 And then it was Chauncey Billups was in the mix.
18:24 And we're talking about Chris Mills.
18:25 Oh, no, that was in the Knicks, right?
18:27 No interest.
18:28 No, it was it was.
18:31 It was another kid that he got from Cleveland.
18:33 I don't think about his name, but he was about he was about six, six, six, seven shooting
18:38 guard, light skin brother.
18:40 But he had him.
18:42 But then you end up having getting Chauncey Billups, Chauncey Billups and Chauncey Billups
18:46 last about a month before he sent him out.
18:49 Not to be all the famous now.
18:52 Chauncey Billups had to bounce around to a lot of teams till he found where he was going.
18:56 But Chauncey Billups was one of the great guards in the league that the Celtics had
19:02 when he was 19 years old and didn't have the patience to wait for.
19:08 Even at the Celtics logo tattered on him.
19:10 Remember that?
19:11 Yeah, yeah.
19:12 That's how excited he was.
19:13 Well, yeah, don't don't do that or don't put you or don't dye your hair green.
19:19 It's not not a good thing.
19:20 Yeah, I guess not.
19:21 I guess I guess that doesn't mean you're going to end up staying there much longer.
19:25 Like the guy who had the championship trophy and that was the fan who had the championship
19:30 trophy imprinted on his arm.
19:33 This was two years ago.
19:34 Oh, Jason Terry, you're talking about?
19:36 No, no.
19:37 This was this was a fan.
19:38 Not Jason Terry.
19:39 It was somebody else who had the championship trophy put on his arm and might have to wait.
19:47 Maybe just left it out so he can put some numbers in there when they had.
19:51 But yeah, that's just kind of strange how that works.
19:54 Remember that guy had the banner to the 2022 NBA champion Celtics.
19:58 That was that wasn't the right move that he must have.
20:01 You know, it's interesting you bring up that draft, Max, because recently Tracy McGrady
20:05 was on a podcast and he talked about how he wanted nothing to do with the Celtics because
20:10 of Rick Pitino.
20:11 He didn't want to play for him.
20:12 And then like the reputation.
20:13 So guess what?
20:14 He bombed the interview.
20:16 He was giving short answers.
20:17 He wanted to give the Celtics that impression that he wanted nothing to do with Boston.
20:21 And obviously the Celtics went they went in another direction.
20:23 They didn't even think about drafting him.
20:25 And of course, he went to Toronto, became this, you know, multi-time all-star.
20:31 Well you think about it, we went to Toronto.
20:33 We really did.
20:34 He played well.
20:35 Yeah, but it wasn't until he got down to Orlando where he where he really took off.
20:44 I saw he was in high school, too.
20:45 Oh, part of that interview.
20:48 And so Tracy McGrady talking about he was he says as a he was he say he was.
20:55 And it wasn't bragging, but he would say he was naturally gifted.
20:58 He said, I could throw.
21:00 He said, I could be on one knee and throw a throw a football 50 yards on one knee.
21:06 He said, I could be away from baseball right now.
21:09 I could have got out there and pitched in the in the mid eighties was my fastball.
21:15 So so he was he was as athletic and as gifted as many people.
21:21 I just didn't know his relationship was so tight with Kobe Bryant.
21:25 When you start hearing the stories by him and Kobe and how how they were together and
21:29 how they competed at those, those were some really cool stories.
21:33 And he's a guy that wanted to be mentioned as one of the top players of all time.
21:38 One of the, you know, say the top, you know, one of the top players of all time.
21:43 And Tracy McGrady had that skill set to be there as one of those.
21:47 You know, he went from there, went to Houston, was dynamic when he was in Houston.
21:51 So keep back, keep back, set, set the standard.
21:55 That was, you know, a lot of people don't even know about me.
22:00 Here's my top five.
22:01 Here's my bias.
22:02 Top five pair, right?
22:03 I'm just throwing it out there.
22:04 I was thinking about it way too much.
22:05 Let me let me put one in right now for you.
22:07 I know what you're gonna say.
22:10 Who?
22:11 Big Papi.
22:12 No, Max.
22:13 Hey, big Papi.
22:14 Those are your go to.
22:17 I don't care what sport, I don't care what it is about Boston.
22:24 You know what?
22:25 After you finish your list now basketball wise, I want you to give me a go ahead.
22:30 I'm gonna let you do something with sports in Boston in general.
22:34 Now I've already spoken.
22:35 All right, we can do that.
22:36 You're funny.
22:37 I'm thinking you're gonna say, you know what, I thought you were gonna say that.
22:41 And then I was like, nah, he's gonna say Paul Pierce.
22:42 No, you said what I initially thought you were gonna say.
22:45 No, man, those guys didn't make my list.
22:47 Come on, NBA, NBA all time.
22:48 OK, number one, I got Michael Jordan.
22:52 Number two.
22:53 Now this could change because the player I'm going to mention, number three is still is
22:56 still active.
22:57 Right.
22:58 But as of right now, I'm just this is my gut.
23:00 All right.
23:01 It's my gut instinct.
23:02 I'm going with number two, Kobe, Kobe Bryant over LeBron.
23:05 LeBron's number three.
23:07 I got Kareem in number four and I got Larry's number five.
23:10 That's my five for today.
23:11 All right.
23:12 I mean, not a bad list, but you start thinking about your list and you're going.
23:19 Where is Steph Curry going to end up on some of these lists?
23:23 He's top 10, at least on my list.
23:25 He cracked up.
23:26 He won the top.
23:27 He's one of the top 10 players of all time.
23:30 My list.
23:31 I mean, I feel like you had to put him in there after he after he did what he did, Max.
23:36 They don't win that last finals without him.
23:38 And he was the final MVP.
23:40 Not only that, he was the finals.
23:43 He was the MVP in the league.
23:45 And he was what they say he was.
23:48 Nobody else got a vote.
23:49 He got all the votes.
23:50 Unanimous.
23:51 Yeah, he was.
23:52 Yeah, exactly.
23:53 Unanimous.
23:54 Unanimous MVP.
23:55 It was the first time it had ever been done.
23:56 When they stole game four at TD Garden, that changed the series.
24:00 We didn't know it then.
24:01 We didn't quite know it then.
24:02 But that was Steph going off in the second half, taking care of business in game five.
24:06 And who was it in game six, right at the halftime that just completely went off.
24:10 And made it a 20 plus point game.
24:13 Exactly.
24:14 That man, Steph Curry, man.
24:15 So I think that for me, that alone, he cracked the top ten.
24:19 You know, people can say what they want about the Kevin Durant championships.
24:22 And even though he didn't win one without him and all that, you know, superstar talent
24:26 around him.
24:27 But when it mattered and when his team needed him to step up and he was the best player
24:30 on the floor, it was by a mile, you know.
24:33 So yeah, yeah, I get it.
24:34 I get it.
24:35 I get it.
24:36 But yeah, I mean, magic.
24:37 Let's go beyond that.
24:40 You got the bigs.
24:41 Because you give me your five right now.
24:45 You give me your top five athletes of all time in Boston.
24:50 And I'll start it out for you.
24:52 Let me start it out for you.
24:55 Big Papi.
24:56 David Ortiz.
24:57 Yeah, he's top five.
24:58 He's top five.
24:59 I'll put Ortiz up.
25:00 Why won't you, why won't you, here's the, this is, our fans love this.
25:04 Why won't you say Big Papi?
25:05 That's what everybody else calls him, you know, I let them go with that nickname.
25:11 The Latinos don't, you don't want to call the man Big Daddy.
25:14 I was going to ask you Max, when's the last time you referred to someone as Big Daddy?
25:19 When's the last time you referred to a man as Big Daddy?
25:25 I get it.
25:26 I get it.
25:27 But that's why, that's why I asked you.
25:29 But anyway.
25:30 The first time, the first time I told you that.
25:34 The first time I told you that, you thought it was the funniest thing in the world.
25:36 No, he's not number one though.
25:37 He's not number one.
25:38 Number one.
25:39 No, number one is, is, is the GOAT man.
25:42 Tom Brady.
25:43 That's number one.
25:44 Okay.
25:45 One?
25:46 One is Brady.
25:47 Two, I'm going to go.
25:48 You got to go Russell, man.
25:54 Okay.
25:55 You can make a case for Russell being number one, but because I grew up in a different
25:59 era and I got to see all those Tom Brady championships, you know.
26:03 So yeah, I'll put Bill number two.
26:06 Man.
26:09 Number three.
26:12 Man.
26:16 I want to say Bobby Orr, even though I didn't like really, you know, I'm not a big hockey
26:19 guy, but.
26:20 First of all, you ain't know nothing about Bobby Orr.
26:24 What the hell you talking about?
26:25 I know.
26:26 That's what I'm saying.
26:27 Okay.
26:28 This is my list.
26:29 This is my list.
26:30 You're right.
26:31 Yeah.
26:32 You're right, Max.
26:33 You know, Bobby Orr, I mean, his greatness is no doubt, but hell, you don't know Bobby
26:37 Orr.
26:38 You don't know the things about Bobby Orr.
26:39 Thanks.
26:40 Thanks.
26:41 And it's kind of the same way I feel about Ted Williams, because one, he didn't win any
26:45 damn championships and two, I didn't watch the guy.
26:48 I don't know that about him.
26:49 So you know what?
26:50 Yeah.
26:51 All right.
26:52 So Brady, Russell.
26:53 I hate to go another Celtic, but you got to go Larry, right?
26:57 I mean, the.
26:58 This is yours.
26:59 This is yours.
27:01 The rivalry.
27:02 Right.
27:03 This is mine, Max.
27:04 But also this is all I used to hear about growing up from my dad, from the OGs.
27:08 Oh, Larry was bad.
27:09 Oh, you guys don't know about Larry though.
27:12 You guys don't know all that.
27:13 This is before YouTube, right?
27:14 So I got to like watch ESPN Classic.
27:15 Okay.
27:16 You got two more.
27:17 All right.
27:18 Larry, four.
27:19 I'm going to go.
27:20 I got to go Ortiz.
27:28 This is it.
27:29 Yeah.
27:30 This is the spot for Ortiz.
27:31 I appreciate it, Max.
27:32 Come on, man.
27:33 He was bad.
27:34 He was bad at 600 in the World Series.
27:36 I ain't said nothing.
27:37 I said, okay, I'm listening.
27:38 I know that Ortiz had made it.
27:39 It didn't make any difference to me.
27:40 And I should throw out the last one for you so you won't be confused.
27:41 I won't confuse you and let you confuse yourself.
27:42 You want me to give you the last one?
27:43 You know the last one.
27:44 Who is it?
27:45 You want me to tell you the last one?
27:46 You know who it is.
27:47 Pedro.
27:48 Yes.
27:49 Yes.
27:50 The greatest pitcher of all time, David.
27:51 That's Joe Swayze.
27:52 I'm going to give you the last one.
27:53 I'm going to give you the last one.
27:54 I'm going to give you the last one.
27:55 You know who it is.
27:56 Pedro.
27:57 Yes.
27:58 Yes.
27:59 The greatest pitcher of all time, David.
28:00 That's Joe Swayze's top five.
28:01 Come on.
28:02 Let me see.
28:03 Let me hear yours.
28:04 Let me read yours for all the viewers out there, man.
28:05 Put it in the comment section.
28:06 That's my top five.
28:07 Don't think about the history.
28:08 Don't think about, oh, you got to put or in there.
28:09 No, no.
28:10 What's your top five?
28:11 There's mine.
28:12 There you go.
28:13 Done.
28:14 Set it.
28:15 Yeah.
28:16 Yeah.
28:17 I get it.
28:18 I get it.
28:19 I get you.
28:20 I grew up in a championship city, man.
28:21 I was blessed, you know.
28:22 So these are the guys that I watch.
28:23 You know, for the most part, besides Larry.
28:25 Besides Larry and Russell, of course.
28:29 But the thing about it, you say that, but you never, all you do is see highlights of
28:35 Bill Russell.
28:36 You don't know nothing about Russell.
28:37 I saw Russell play.
28:39 That's what makes me unique to all of that.
28:42 You know, there's some people who would say it was blasphemy if you didn't put Carl Yastrzemski
28:50 on it.
28:51 Right.
28:52 You know, a triple crown winner, that you wouldn't put his name in there.
28:57 Yastrzemski was one of those guys that people have talked about for years.
29:02 You know, you and God forbid, but here's one of your favorite players.
29:07 And when he comes around right now, you start blushing.
29:11 You see Paul Pearson, you get all giggly when you see him.
29:14 You know, what about P.E.P.?
29:15 That's my dude.
29:16 How you doing P.E.P.?
29:17 What's happening?
29:18 Don't say that.
29:19 Don't be putting that out there like I'm over here.
29:24 Like, I'd be like, what up P.E.?
29:27 I say Paul.
29:28 What's up P.E.?
29:29 How you doing?
29:30 P.E., what's happening man?
29:31 P.E., how you feeling man?
29:32 If anything, I say truth.
29:33 What up truth?
29:34 All right, truth.
29:35 And that's the last thing I'd be saying to that man.
29:40 Like, what's up truth?
29:41 And Max, you'd be looking at me like, like, like, like, look at his face light up.
29:45 The way a proud father will look at somebody meeting his, one of his parent's players.
29:51 I look at P.E. and I'm frowning the whole time.
29:55 Like, come on man, please.
29:57 You ain't about that.
29:59 You want one championship, you're a foul as in P.E.P.?
30:03 Okay.
30:04 No, but Max.
30:05 He is my guy though.
30:06 I do.
30:07 I think.
30:08 Right.
30:09 But see for me, it's different for me for a couple of reasons.
30:14 One, because he was, in my opinion, he was great, but so like overlooked.
30:19 No one even thought to mention him as one of the best plus players.
30:22 And everyone knows what happens.
30:23 You know, he got some help and all that stuff, but he was the underdog, Max.
30:28 He got here during a time that he did not.
30:31 And you have to give the Celtics credit for, you know, pulling the trigger and going out
30:37 and getting Kevin Garnett.
30:40 So this same thing happened again when we was thinking about poor Zinas coming in.
30:46 We'd be looking at it this way when we said, no, you can't give this guy up.
30:51 You know, Al was one of those guys.
30:53 Al Jefferson was like this beast back in the day.
30:56 Yeah, you were mad.
30:57 You didn't like that KG play.
30:58 You were mad.
30:59 Tommy Heinsohn said, I'll quit if they do this.
31:04 And then you see Kevin Garnett the first time.
31:08 And I wasn't resistant after I saw him play.
31:11 But I remember Tommy Heinsohn, it was a game that he would refer to Kevin Garnett as my
31:18 boy.
31:19 He said, your boy got to step up.
31:21 Your boy, your boy did this.
31:23 Your boy did that.
31:25 And every time Kevin Garnett stepped up and went to another level.
31:28 So it's just, it's insanely crazy when you think about how players are and what they
31:34 do.
31:35 So I do get that.
31:36 Oh, 100%.
31:37 But the thing was that Paul was still the leading scorer.
31:39 Paul was still the guy that the game is tied with 10 seconds left.
31:42 Who's getting the ball?
31:43 KG, Ray Allen?
31:44 No, it was Paul Pierce.
31:45 Like he saw the greatness on that big stage that he wasn't afraid.
31:49 He go toe to toe with Kobe, toe to toe with LeBron.
31:51 Let's not take, let's not take Ray out.
31:54 Cause Ray hit a lot of those, Doc Rivers stuff, a lot of those plays.
31:58 I know man.
31:59 But my thing is that a lot of people, you know, so many arguments I had debates that
32:04 year was like, Oh, but you know, when these guys are, are, are, are here now, Paul's going
32:09 to be third fiddle to these guys.
32:10 I'm like, wait a minute.
32:11 You guys don't know how great Pierce is.
32:12 You don't know how great Pierce is.
32:13 People found out how great he was.
32:15 He was not third fiddle, but I think that Doc tried to distribute it.
32:19 If I had to say, was it Paul's team?
32:22 Was it Kevin?
32:23 I always get the story where Paul Pierce and I've told you started before that Paul Pierce
32:28 from Kevin McGrath, that first guy here, and they were playing a poker game called Bure.
32:35 And Paul wins like, I don't know, $3,000 from Kevin and Kevin, he tell, he comes on the
32:43 plane.
32:44 Hey man, man, let me tell you what man, right now, ticket owe me three grand.
32:48 He owe me three grand.
32:51 Ticket gets on the plane with what looked like, you know, a saddle bag from the old
32:55 West.
32:56 With the string tie and shit.
33:00 Comes out and pulls this wad of money out and starts counting.
33:08 And then he tells Paul Pierce, he looks at him and said, tell me when to stop counting.
33:12 Oops, there's a new sheriff in town.
33:18 So at that day it was, I said, eh, okay.
33:22 I know where tickets stand.
33:24 So yeah, but those are great thoughts to have about this Boston thing.
33:29 Now, you know, you move on from that, it's like, you know, we're going to put up something
33:33 that was sent to us and, you know, and I laughed like, hell, I sent this to Joe Sway and it's
33:42 said, we're going to put it up on the screen.
33:46 And it said that Mark Jackson was going to be, it was a, did I say adult film company
33:57 said they wanted Mark Jackson to do play by play of some of their scenes and they were
34:04 going to pay him a million dollars.
34:06 Live scenes Max, live scenes.
34:08 But my line, Joe Sway's line to me killed me.
34:12 Joe Sway texted me back and tell him, as Mark Jackson was that mama, there go that man again.
34:19 That'd be the perfect line to drop at the end, you know.
34:25 Oh my God, that was so funny.
34:27 So funny.
34:28 Take the money, as you would say, man, come on, Mark, take the money.
34:32 We could have some fun.
34:34 I think he's, he's, that's beneath him.
34:37 Now for me, if I was called, if Billy called, I like boom.
34:43 No, no, you'd be like, well, how about that finish or something like that?
34:54 Yeah, it'd be something crazy for me, but that's beneath Mark Jackson.
34:59 So, but we just want to let you guys know, we got, we got Mark Jackson's little captioning.
35:05 It was on Instagram, I guess some of the day, so that was really cool.
35:08 Yeah, that's hilarious, man.
35:09 I had no idea until you sent me this.
35:11 I didn't even know this was the real thing, man, but it is, it is a legitimate offer.
35:15 And I'm assuming he turned it down.
35:16 I had to guess it.
35:17 He's not doing ESPN next year, but he won't be doing that either.
35:20 So we'll have to wait and see if they can get somebody else.
35:24 Throw your name in the ring, Max, throw your name in the ring.
35:28 Nah, we'll, we'll, we'll do what they will do.
35:31 But guys, it is absolutely a pleasure when we come to you.
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35:36 Oh man.
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