SI Fan All Dolphins publisher Alain Poupart and columnist Omar Kelly break down their respective rankings of the top 10 players on the Dolphins roster and discuss and debate where Tua Tagovailoa stands among NFL quarterbacks.
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00:00 Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the All Dolphins podcast.
00:07 He is Omar, I am Pupar and Omar, we're getting close to it.
00:13 Start of training camp practices next week.
00:16 Fun times ahead.
00:19 Yeah, but you just finished your fun time.
00:22 You just had a nice European trip.
00:26 The trip you just took is absolutely at the very top of my bucket list.
00:32 You got to see Rome, you got to see the Colosseum.
00:35 I don't think you made it inside the Colosseum.
00:37 But I did.
00:38 You did make it inside the Colosseum.
00:40 I did, yes.
00:41 I need to see a picture.
00:43 Okay, we'll work on that.
00:45 Yeah, so what was the highlight of your European cruise trip?
00:49 The highlight of my trip was, yes, it was fabulous.
00:53 What we did is we wanted to sample as many places as we could
00:57 in the amount of time that we had, which was a little more than two weeks.
01:00 So we did a Mediterranean cruise.
01:02 So we wound up seeing different cities in Italy, Spain, and France,
01:06 where we ended the trip in Paris as a different from the cruise
01:13 because our daughter, who was celebrating her 16th birthday,
01:16 July 9th, I've been talking about she wanted to see Paris,
01:19 the Eiffel Tower, and all that.
01:21 She wants to see Paris, and I will say Paris is my least favorite place
01:27 that I've ever been to, and I've been twice.
01:30 Okay, well, I was born in Montreal, so maybe that plays a role in it.
01:34 Montreal's got a little bit of a European feel to it.
01:38 I absolutely love Paris.
01:40 If I had to say a highlight, I was completely, my wife and I,
01:42 completely blown away by Italy.
01:45 Every spot we saw, whether it was Rome, Florence, yes,
01:48 we did the Tower of Pisa, yes, we did the Colosseum,
01:51 went inside the Colosseum.
01:52 Florence was great.
01:54 We saw a little town called Positano, which is basically you can navigate
01:59 it only through stairs.
02:01 It's like on a hill.
02:03 I mean, it was completely fabulous, absolutely phenomenal,
02:09 vacation of a lifetime, want to go back to Europe.
02:12 Now we're already talking about next summer, do we do Northern Europe?
02:16 I mean, it was incredible.
02:18 Noah Sands, you're a great exclamation point, absolutely.
02:21 Couldn't have recommended more.
02:22 And again, depending on what you want to do,
02:24 for us the idea of being able to sample different places,
02:27 doing it with a cruise.
02:29 Yeah, that's why I want to do it with a cruise.
02:32 I, one, like cruise food, and two, I don't want to,
02:35 I want to see different places and I don't want to carry my bag,
02:38 so I just want you to take me there, I sleep,
02:41 and then you take me somewhere else.
02:43 I'll be happy to provide recommendations and tips and whatever you'd like
02:46 when you schedule it.
02:48 That out of the way, let's dive into it, because as sick as it is,
02:53 I'm actually looking forward, as much as I enjoyed the vacation
02:56 and didn't want it to end, once we were flying back to Miami,
03:00 it was like, okay, let's dive back into it.
03:02 Dolphin Camp is about to start, rookies reported this week.
03:05 Two main things on our agenda today is both you and I did a top 10 list
03:11 on a new series on alldolphins.com, which we will do periodically,
03:15 Dolphin Debate, where we both provide our take on one topic.
03:18 This one was the 10 best players on the Dolphin roster,
03:22 regardless of position, because you wrote a story about the most indispensable
03:27 and replaceable players on the Dolphin roster, which is not the same,
03:30 because then we're talking about position importance and who's the backer.
03:33 This was regardless of position, and let's start off with the fact
03:37 that we both agreed on number one, and that's Tyreek.
03:40 Absolutely. I would argue to you that Tyreek is a top five player in the NFL,
03:45 only behind a couple quarterbacks. I put him ahead of every receiver,
03:49 including Justin Jefferson. He's just an elite, dynamic talent
03:56 that I've never seen, and I've covered a lot of greats.
03:59 No, and I agree with you, and the thing with Tyreek Hill
04:02 that cannot be emphasized enough is it's not just his own production,
04:07 it's what he does for the rest of the offense because of what he does
04:11 to the opposing defense, and how just completely scared they are
04:15 of having to deal with his speed.
04:17 Terrified of it, and not just that, but even I started thinking about it
04:21 because I covered Randy Moss his freshman season at FSU,
04:24 which most people don't even remember. He didn't even know it even happened.
04:27 He got kicked out, and he was dynamic and unbelievable then,
04:33 but Randy had very select routes that he could run,
04:36 whereas Tyreek, there is no limitation to what kind of routes he can run,
04:40 and he runs--I think Tyreek's best position is the slot position
04:44 because he can run nothing but option routes, and what do I do then?
04:49 Do you want to press him and jam him? Are you crazy?
04:53 So no question in my mind, and I've said this going back to last year,
04:58 when I first saw him practice, I was like, "Holy crap.
05:01 I've never seen anything like this," and I've covered Peter Wuerg.
05:04 I've covered the Santana Mosses. I've covered Andre Johnson.
05:07 I've covered a lot of greats, and he is by far the greatest weapon
05:12 I've ever seen.
05:13 Yeah, and here's an important point I want to make about this too.
05:16 Jalen Waddell led the--what's that?--NFL rookie receptions record in 2021.
05:22 I don't remember the exact number, 103 catch or whatever,
05:25 but his yards per reception was like 9.3, and then last year
05:29 it doubled to like 18-something, led the NFL in yards per reception,
05:33 and Jalen Waddell didn't get super fast overnight,
05:37 and I understand part of it was the play designs and the offense
05:41 and the scheme of--
05:42 Better utilization. They made him a slot his rookie season.
05:45 Hold on. Here's the thing. Also, the defenses were a lot loosened up
05:49 once Tyreek Hill showed up. That's the point I was going to make,
05:53 is that Tyreek Hill created some space for Jalen Waddell.
05:55 Do you think--hold on a second. Jalen Waddell had three touchdown catches
05:59 of like 40 or more yards against New England on the fourth down play,
06:03 against Buffalo on the deep slant, and against Green Bay where he took
06:06 a short crosser, and he did that because he had space when he caught the ball,
06:11 and that space, I will tell you, was created because defenses
06:14 are so scared of Tyreek Hill, and everything was loosened up,
06:17 and this is where it completely magnified Waddell's speed
06:22 and what he could do with it.
06:23 I hear where you're coming from, but I would also make the argument to you,
06:26 and I get the point that you're making, but comparing his rookie season
06:30 to last year and saying, "Oh, he's that much better because of Tyreek Hill."
06:33 No, I think he's that much better because of utilization.
06:35 They made him a slot receiver his first year.
06:38 How many deep powers did he run his first year?
06:41 And the attention. Like nobody had to cover anybody else
06:45 on the entire offense other than Jalen Waddell.
06:48 So yeah, he got a lot of attention, a lot of focus.
06:51 In their minds, they had to put him in the slot just to create
06:55 that opportunity for him, and I think it's a decent position for him.
06:58 I think he's got tons of skill, but yeah, is he going to benefit
07:02 playing opposite Tyreek Hill? Yeah.
07:05 I think everybody in the NFL would.
07:07 There isn't a single person in the NFL who would not benefit
07:10 playing opposite Tyreek Hill.
07:12 Okay, and again, I would maintain that his particular skill set,
07:17 which is speed, speed, more speed, complimented on the inside
07:22 by Tyreek Hill, who by the way, just might be even faster.
07:25 I mean, it's ridiculous.
07:26 No, that might be even faster.
07:29 Okay, but my point is it's completely ridiculous that you basically
07:33 have the fastest wide receiver in the NFL, and very possibly
07:37 the second fastest wide receiver in the NFL, and Tyreek Hill's presence,
07:40 I would argue, impacted Waddell's production and increase
07:46 in the yards per completion as much as anything else,
07:50 including utilization, the play calling, and all of that.
07:53 So let's move on with the list.
07:54 We both had Teron Armstead at number three.
07:56 I don't think we need to talk about just how great of a pass blocker
07:59 he is and how important he is to the offensive line.
08:01 Where I found the interesting debate is your number two
08:04 versus my number two.
08:06 Which is where I was coming at.
08:07 We both agree on positions, and I will preface this by saying
08:12 I don't have a major issue with it because I think both of them
08:15 are absolute studs.
08:16 You had X at two, Jalen Ramsey at four.
08:18 I had Ramsey at two, X at four.
08:21 I can't even quibble.
08:22 Two, three, and four for me was like a four.
08:24 Here's my justification for why I have Xavier Howard rated higher
08:28 than Jalen Ramsey.
08:29 I think Ramsey is the superior cornerback.
08:32 If he continues to have another four years with the kind of career
08:36 that he's had previous to this season, he's going to be in the Hall of Fame.
08:41 I cannot argue that Xavier Howard is on the Hall of Fame trajectory
08:44 right now.
08:45 What I can tell you is who leads the NFL in interceptions from the point
08:51 where he actually entered the league in 2016?
08:56 Xavier Howard.
08:57 And keep in mind that him and Jalen Ramsey entered the league
09:00 at the exact same time.
09:02 Sure.
09:03 But X has the best ball skills of any cornerback in the NFL.
09:06 I mean, he's crazy good with that.
09:08 That's what my point is.
09:10 And I don't know how people are not connecting those dots,
09:13 and then if you connect the dots with Vic Fangio,
09:17 in terms of how he runs his scheme where there's zone matchups,
09:21 zone matchups, and so Xavier Howard, for the first three,
09:26 four steps of the play, he's going to be facing the quarterback,
09:31 looking at what the quarterback does,
09:32 and then reacting to what the wide receiver does.
09:35 I love Xavier Howard's anticipation ball skills.
09:40 If you put the ball anywhere off the mark and he's defending that wide
09:45 receiver, he's got a 50/50 chance to bring that ball down.
09:49 And I think that's going to benefit him greatly, tremendously,
09:53 especially if he doesn't have to shadow the opposition's best wide
09:56 receiver.
09:57 Let's have Jalen Ramsey do that because he's a better press cornerback.
10:01 One is a better press cornerback.
10:03 One is a better ball getter.
10:05 Give me the ball getter over the press guy.
10:07 That's just me.
10:09 No, and again, you know what?
10:11 Like I said, to me, two, three, and four was flip a coin.
10:14 I don't have an issue with it.
10:16 I think Ramsey may be a little bit better all around.
10:21 If we're talking about purely getting the ball, yes, absolutely.
10:24 Well, I think where we can both agree is I see lists of like top
10:27 cornerbacks around the NFL and X is being dissed like some kind of.
10:30 I don't see, I don't get that.
10:33 It is what it is.
10:36 And, you know, you gotta have,
10:38 you gotta have charisma and publicize yourself and cachet and
10:43 marketability X is like, pay me.
10:46 Give me the money.
10:48 And as long as he's got the money, he's good.
10:51 So, and, and I like the fact that he's off these lists and he'll tell
10:54 you, I had a bad season last year, even though he made the pro bowl.
10:57 And you will argue that he had a bad season last year.
10:59 X had a lot of things going on last year.
11:01 And including the growing,
11:03 including the false allegations that were eventually dropped.
11:07 Against him.
11:08 I'm not even gonna bring up what they were for when you got a lot of
11:11 that stuff going on.
11:13 It makes it difficult to perform. I think his mind is clear.
11:17 I think he's, he's healthy.
11:19 And if I'm X I'm not participating in training camp,
11:23 I'm doing my regular routine.
11:25 I think he's going to participate a little bit,
11:27 but if X takes 20 snaps during training camp, I'd be a 20.
11:32 20 snaps a day during training camp.
11:35 I'd be highly disappointed because I want him healthy for the regular
11:38 season. Yeah, no, I don't disagree with anything. He just said,
11:41 other than, I mean, you can't argue. He didn't have a great season last year.
11:43 Regardless of the circumstances that was an X.
11:46 Okay.
11:47 Okay.
11:48 But it wasn't X. I agree.
11:51 And he was the first to tell you, I shouldn't have made the pro bowl.
11:53 I actually made a mistake here.
11:55 Let me backtrack here. Cause I said that we both had the same.
11:58 I had two and four. You did not have.
12:02 Ramsey at four. You had Ramsey at five. Cause at number four,
12:04 you had two up.
12:06 I had two at eight.
12:08 By all means, the floor is yours.
12:12 There is one player on this team that we all know and acknowledge that the
12:16 season is done. If he's not there. Correct.
12:20 No.
12:21 Huh? I refuse to go there. I'm sorry. I refuse to go there. And again,
12:25 if the season is done, if two or goes down,
12:27 then that's an indictment on the dolphin man on dolphin management for not
12:30 getting a better backup quarterback.
12:32 I'm not making that argument because I agree with you.
12:34 I think they didn't do a good job, good enough job,
12:36 getting a backup quarterback. However,
12:39 I thought that you had to add number eight and that was completely
12:42 disrespectful. You had him. I believe lower than,
12:46 than Javon Holland, Christian Wilkins.
12:49 And all of Javon Holland isn't really replaceable, but Christian.
12:54 I'm not, I'm not, this is not a list about most irreplaceable or
12:57 indispensable. This is best player, regardless of position. Okay.
13:01 You're going to let me. Okay. You're right. Let me, let me re,
13:04 reposition my argument.
13:06 Who on the 2022 Miami dolphins team was in the conversation for league
13:13 wide MVP for a month last season.
13:16 Again, this is regardless of position. He plays quarterback. Obviously,
13:20 obviously he's gonna, he's gonna.
13:23 Christian Wilkins could have 27 tackles for loss unless he's,
13:27 and unless he combines it with 23 sacks,
13:30 three sacks and B and becomes Aaron Donald will never be in the
13:33 conversation for MVP because of the position.
13:35 Our list was supposed to be regardless of position. All right,
13:38 let me reposition my argument again.
13:41 Repositioning who in the NFL.
13:45 Was the league's leading passer rating spent most of the season as the
13:51 NFL's most accurate quarterback and delivered the most big plays and
13:57 big play passing. Are you really good? Who,
14:00 who did that in the NFL?
14:04 You're talking about big plays, like a 10 yard crosser to jail and wall.
14:08 Oh my God.
14:10 Number one rated quarterback when it comes to 20 yards or more
14:14 completions.
14:16 With wide receivers who are open by five by five yards.
14:19 Who is that player say his name.
14:22 Fine.
14:24 Big O. I mean, Omar.
14:26 Oh, wow. Omar.
14:28 Yes.
14:29 Arguing.
14:30 Omar.
14:31 Where do you, where do you place to among NFL quarterbacks?
14:36 I would put him in the top.
14:40 15. And I probably argued to you that.
14:44 After this season, he will be in the top five.
14:48 He'll be in the same conversation with Joe Burrow.
14:52 Same conversation with Patrick Mahomes.
14:55 Same conversation with Josh Allen.
14:58 That's who his peers. Same conversation with Jalen.
15:01 Jalen hurts.
15:03 That's who his peers will be after this season.
15:07 Now I'll buy Jalen hurts. I'm not buying any other ones.
15:10 Okay. Where do you put Javon Holland among free safeties?
15:14 Top 10.
15:15 I'm not.
15:18 Which is higher than top 15. Where do you put Christian Wilkins?
15:20 I'm on defensive tackles.
15:22 Top 10.
15:24 Which is again, higher than top 15. Where do you put Jalen?
15:27 While I'm on wide receiver.
15:28 Again, this is regardless.
15:30 And here's the thing.
15:31 I am not dismissing the possibility of two or taking another big leap.
15:34 And joining the top 10.
15:36 You said top 15 and I'm supposed to be the two a hater.
15:39 And I have told you before I have, I have a list.
15:41 I have a list of guys.
15:42 I have a list of guys.
15:43 I got nine guys.
15:45 I see is clearly better than two.
15:46 And I have zero issue. You want to put them 10?
15:48 I'm okay with it. I think.
15:49 In the next cluster.
15:51 There's five or six guys in that cluster for me is Matthew staff.
15:53 No, I think staffers.
15:55 Is there Sean Watson? If he goes back to Cleveland days.
15:57 Derek car.
15:59 Kirk cousins.
16:00 Scott.
16:01 Scott, those types of guys.
16:02 And.
16:04 If.
16:05 Two has another year.
16:08 I think two.
16:11 Possibly as a higher ceiling, Jalen hurts.
16:13 Cause if I'm the one, if I'm going to say that.
16:17 To a benefit from the players around them.
16:18 This wouldn't play well in Philly, but Jalen hurts.
16:20 Played on a completely stacked team last year.
16:22 I don't see Jalen hurts and go.
16:23 Smokes. This guy's awesome.
16:25 Sorry.
16:26 Even though he was awesome in the super bowl.
16:28 I also think he's got the best offensive line in football.
16:30 He's got two really good wide receivers and Devante Smith and AJ.
16:33 He's got a stud tight end in Dallas Goddard.
16:35 And he's got a good.
16:38 And a crazy.
16:39 Should have.
16:41 Oh, absolutely. Crazy. Good.
16:43 Running game. So.
16:48 I I'm not buying it and I'm, I don't see,
16:50 I don't see two are having the physical gifts.
16:53 To join the stratosphere of guys like Josh Allen,
16:55 Patrick my homes.
16:56 While we, I'm not going to argue with you regarding physical gifts.
17:00 What I'm going to say to you is.
17:04 I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say.
17:06 I'm going to say.
17:07 Don't do that.
17:08 What else is he going to do?
17:09 Don't do that.
17:10 Where. Okay.
17:11 Let me make this argument to you.
17:12 Go ahead.
17:13 Last year when Tyree kill was, was, was.
17:15 Growing up for tour.
17:17 And parenting out how good he was.
17:19 And how good he was going to be.
17:20 Where did he lie?
17:22 What lie did he tell?
17:25 What exaggeration did he make?
17:29 And again, it turned out that two had a very, again, for the record,
17:32 I'm going to say that two.
17:33 I hate is going to say two had a very good year.
17:35 Jared Alexander in green Bay is talking up Jordan love about what a
17:38 study is going to be.
17:40 Is anybody outside of green Bay buying that?
17:42 This is what teammates will do to.
17:44 I had a great year.
17:45 That's not the argument that I'm making.
17:47 What lie did Tyree.
17:48 Say.
17:51 Now I even thought that, Oh, this guy's going a little bit too far.
17:54 He's like, come on. Let's let's back it up a little bit.
17:58 I'm going to say that.
17:59 He told.
18:01 He made a prediction.
18:03 He Tyree.
18:06 Delivered on that prediction.
18:08 What he said.
18:10 The most accurate quarterback I've ever played with.
18:12 He's played with three of them.
18:13 And if you want to say two is more accurate.
18:15 First of all, in a short.
18:16 Two intermediate range.
18:20 Because no two was not a deep ball.
18:22 Not terribly accurate when it comes to the deep ball.
18:24 I don't know if you've ever played a deep ball.
18:26 I don't know if you've ever played a deep ball.
18:28 15, 20 yards with a receiver is open by five yards. That's not.
18:30 Okay.
18:34 If you want to say that two is more accurate on a 10 yard slant and
18:36 Patrick Mahomes.
18:37 Okay. Who's a better.
18:43 This and this,
18:44 this goes into the exact argument why I've been a big to a fan,
18:47 even though two and on will not accept me and does not want me in.
18:49 This is why I advocated for an entire year tank for two.
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26:28 Let me ask you this question.
26:31 Christian Wilkins or Emanuel Agba?
26:34 In a heartbeat, Christian Wilkins.
26:36 And this is where you think a lot more highly of Emanuel Agba, and we've had conversation.
26:41 This is how I know you think a lot more about Emanuel Agba, who I really like, who's a nice player, really good guy.
26:48 I am of the opinion -- I hate to say this, and now I'm going to be an Agba hater.
26:55 I'm of the opinion that Brian Flores maxed out Agba like nobody's business in the way he used him.
27:04 I don't think --
27:05 I'm of the opinion that Brian Flores' scheme and how they have off-defensive linemen twisting and stunting and slanting the line maxed out Christian Wilkins.
27:17 Now he's going to be head on with guys, and he's going to have to disengage from blockers, and he's going to have to push the pocket.
27:24 And I don't know.
27:26 I don't know if that fits his skill set.
27:28 And I'm curious.
27:29 I do definitely have him in my top ten.
27:32 He's number nine on my list.
27:35 I have way more important players, like the guys who produce impact plays, like Saks and Forrest Fumbles and Jalen Ramsey and Bradley Chubb.
27:45 I have them higher than Christian Wilkins.
27:49 I just -- Christian Wilkins.
27:51 Here's my thing about this whole Christian Wilkins thing.
27:54 How many impact plays can you count on for him per game?
27:59 A handful.
28:01 And listen, I agree with you under the premise of dealing with a contract situation where I can't justify throwing like a big wad of cash at him because, again, he hasn't been enough of an impact player in the pass rush.
28:16 But as a run defender, I mean, he's been fabulous.
28:20 I mean, let's be honest.
28:21 He's been really, really, really good.
28:23 And I, too, have my concerns about what kind of a fit he is under this Vic Fangio scheme.
28:29 But I'm basing it on what I saw the last couple of years.
28:33 And this is a dude who's done nothing but get better every year.
28:36 And he also -- you throw in the intangibles, too.
28:39 You throw in the intangibles, which include being a leader on defense and pissing off Josh Allen at every turn and at times maybe even getting him off his game.
28:49 There's value to that as well.
28:52 >> It is going to be very interesting to see what happens with Christian Wilkins, as I have said to you, and I have done the numbers and I've written the story for alldolphins.com.
29:05 This -- when you look at the contracts that the new defensive tackles make, and I'm not counting fake money, I'm counting real money because that's the only thing I ever talk about when we talk about contracts.
29:16 All of those guys are making about 19 to 18.5.
29:21 Quinton Williams' deal is 18.5.
29:24 You know, all of those guys, with the exception of the Buffalo kid --
29:29 >> And Oliver.
29:31 >> Yeah, his deal is a little bit under market, which I found a little bit surprising.
29:35 He's, you know, hey, take it how you want to take it.
29:41 If I play Christian Wilkins on the fifth-year option and I play him on a franchise tag the next year, and that's a challenge because the Dolphins don't really have the flexibility to use the franchise tag, I would be paying him under $16 million for the next two years.
29:56 A year for the next two years.
29:58 I'm not doing a deal with you for more than $16 million for three years.
30:04 So I'm guaranteeing you -- I'm going to do math right now -- $42 million.
30:11 That's it.
30:12 That's my ceiling of what I'm guaranteeing you.
30:16 And you can throw whatever fake money you want to throw to make yourself feel better in this contract, but if you're not going to accept a contract that guarantees you $42 million, play on the franchise tag and play on the fifth-year option because I don't care.
30:31 So -- and I don't think Christian -- huh?
30:35 >> I said he's on the fifth-year option now.
30:37 >> Yeah, and I don't think Christian is going to accept anything less than -- he's not going to want to look worse than his peers.
30:42 And it doesn't benefit the Dolphins to take care of him.
30:46 So to me, I'm in -- my thought process now is I think Robert Hunt might be my top priority to resign.
30:55 And here's why.
30:56 >> Welcome.
30:57 Welcome.
30:58 >> Here's why.
31:01 One, he's going to be cheaper than everybody.
31:03 Conor Williams is asking for a top five set of salary, which I'm not paying that.
31:07 Top ten, we can discuss it.
31:09 Top five, see you.
31:11 I'll replace you with Liam Eikenberg next year.
31:14 And then Robert Hunt -- what are we going to pay Robert Hunt?
31:20 The man drives a Kia.
31:22 No disrespect to those who like Kias.
31:24 But Robert Hunt is -- like if I'm Robert Hunt and the Dolphins offer me $97 million in guaranteed money, I'm saying where do I sign?
31:35 Like so -- so I'm just thinking here that's the man to target.
31:42 And everybody else, whatever.
31:47 >> And not only that, he plays a position that's been very problematic for the Dolphins for many, many years.
31:52 If you can lock up a guy -- and I had him at number ten on my list.
31:56 >> Yeah, I was surprised you had him at number ten.
31:59 I was surprised he was that high.
32:01 And if I'm going to sit there and argue with you about it, and I will because that's kind of the purpose of this list, is I'm very offended that you didn't have Jalen Phillips on your list.
32:13 Because I would argue to you -- oh, I'm sorry.
32:16 >> Look again, I do have Jalen Phillips.
32:18 >> You didn't have Bradley Chubb on your list.
32:20 >> Bradley Chubb, unfortunately, has been a little bit up and down in his career.
32:24 And I know, you know, like the acclaim with which he came into the NFL as the fifth overall pick, what was it, 2017 or whatever, he hasn't played like that guy for a lot of his career.
32:36 He didn't -- to be -- I know he had some injury issues after he joined the Dolphins last year, but he wasn't terribly productive.
32:44 And so for me, let's say he was my number 11, and you know I think very, very highly of Robert Hunt.
32:50 We've had discussions about this before.
32:52 I think he cleans up the penalties.
32:54 I think the guy is like a fixture on this offensive line for the next six --
32:58 >> And that's what they need.
33:00 Because if you look at where this offensive line is, and this is one of my big concerns going into, you know, going into this offseason.
33:06 I know everybody's focused on the season.
33:08 But let's just do business a little bit.
33:11 Your defensive line is up, your offensive line is up.
33:14 All of your trenches is up.
33:16 You're going to have to rebuild them all.
33:19 Exactly how are you going to do that if you don't have a cornerstone piece?
33:23 And Taron Armstead is not a cornerstone piece.
33:25 He's 32.
33:27 >> Because of age and injury.
33:29 >> Because of age and injury.
33:30 He's not a cornerstone piece.
33:32 He's a luxury piece.
33:34 So you have to have something to build that line around, and you have nothing right now.
33:37 There is nothing to build that line around.
33:39 >> One quick point I want to make.
33:41 And if you look at the best teams around the league, like Philly and Frisco right off the bat jump up.
33:46 Why are they so good?
33:48 Because they're great on both lines.
33:50 You're great on both lines.
33:52 That's a pretty good head start to having a good --
33:55 >> Absolutely.
33:57 >> That's the only difference that we had on the list.
33:59 We had the same guys.
34:01 We both had Waddell.
34:02 I had Holland a little bit higher than you did.
34:05 And for me, there's a little bit of projection there.
34:07 He didn't have a great year last year, but he was asked to do different things, kind of help out.
34:11 This year under this scheme, Timmy, I think he's going to be allowed to be a true center fielder.
34:16 I think with the skills I see from the guy, I'm expecting a big year.
34:20 >> Let me propose this to you.
34:22 >> Go ahead.
34:23 >> Because we've both been sitting here discussing, debating, trying to figure out who's going to fill the tight end coverage guy role.
34:31 And it might be Jaylon Ramsey, even though both of us think it might be Jaylon Ramsey.
34:35 But Javon Holland can do that job.
34:37 And if you just replace somebody back there and play center field, wouldn't that benefit your defense?
34:44 If we're just thinking out of the box here.
34:46 If you have Javon Holland as your Eric Rowe on those specific downs, and then he's playing closer to the line of scrimmage, he has more of an impact on the game,
34:56 and then have somebody in the back end, have a Nick Needham go back there to play center field, doesn't that benefit your defense?
35:04 >> You're thinking now.
35:07 Now, it could be Trill Williams who plays that Eric Rowe role.
35:10 And I'm curious to see what he looks like as well.
35:13 You see, the people who are listening can't see your point there.
35:16 >> I have that bad habit of forgetting that we do both on YouTube and audio podcasts on the Fans First Sports Network under Miami Dolphins Insider.
35:28 My bad for that.
35:30 >> We've got to consolidate these names.
35:32 We have to figure this out.
35:34 >> I know.
35:35 That's next on my to-do list.
35:37 Maybe Bupara and Omar would be a good name.
35:39 We'll figure something out.
35:41 The bottom line is the discussions are good.
35:43 That's what matters.
35:44 No, but I was agreeing with your point.
35:46 I'm fascinated by what we're going to see from Trill Williams.
35:48 And, yes, he strikes me as somebody who could play that Eric Rowe role of covering tight ends.
35:54 >> Yeah, so if we have that there, then we don't have to worry about putting Javon Holland in the box.
36:00 I'm just -- you know, I know who Brandon is.
36:03 I don't know who Deshaun Elliott is.
36:05 And we know Brandon is not a coverage guy.
36:07 We know that's not his strength.
36:09 It's not his forte.
36:11 Now, can he evolve into that player?
36:13 Yeah, sure.
36:14 I am fascinated, without a doubt, about Trill Williams.
36:16 I want to see him.
36:18 And people -- let's help people understand the fascination.
36:21 He was dominant.
36:24 Not dominant.
36:26 He was very good when we saw him before the injury.
36:30 Correct?
36:32 >> Yes.
36:33 >> We were both like he's the number three cornerback.
36:37 Like he's pushing for playing time.
36:40 I thought -- I expected Byron to come back, but I thought this guy is going to fill in quite nicely for Byron and they're going to be able to move on.
36:49 And then he got hurt.
36:51 So now the question is what position is he going to play?
36:54 Is he going to play cornerback?
36:55 Is he going to play safety?
36:57 I think he's going to play safety.
36:59 He says he's going to play safety.
37:01 And I think he's probably going to evolve into that Eric Rowe role.
37:03 Now, how he's going to perform in that, we shall see.
37:05 >> No, and Eric Rowe was good in that role for a bit.
37:08 I know he had the one year where it was rough when he got kind of beaten up on by Travis Kelsey and Darren Waller.
37:15 But if Dolphin fans remember, the coverage was very good against both those guys.
37:18 They just made plays on the ball and he didn't.
37:20 And this is where you're hoping that Trill Williams does a better job of that.
37:23 But I think there's definitely something there.
37:26 Those were the only two differences we had.
37:29 We had the exact same ten players other than I had Robert Hunt.
37:33 You had Bradley Chubb who was my 11.
37:35 I don't know where you had Robert Hunt on your list.
37:38 >> He was not on my list.
37:40 >> No, if you went past ten.
37:42 >> I wouldn't have -- Connor Williams would have been ahead of him.
37:44 Let's be --
37:46 >> I figured that because you're a Connor Williams guy.
37:48 >> I am a Connor Williams guy.
37:50 >> Okay.
37:51 But for the most part, we kind of agree.