Pilgrimage - The Road Through the Alps S07E02
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00:00On the medieval pathways of the majestic Austrian and Swiss Alps.
00:07Wow, look at that.
00:09Seven celebrities are making an epic pilgrimage.
00:13Look at this sign.
00:14Ah!
00:15Pilger Herberger.
00:16Pilger Herberger.
00:17Pilgrimage Hostel.
00:19Among them, a pilgrim with mixed heritage.
00:22My father was born into a Jewish family,
00:25but I'm told I was christened, obviously I can't remember.
00:28A Muslim who's doing things her own way.
00:30I have been through periods of my life where I didn't lose faith, I gave it up.
00:36And a practicing Catholic.
00:38I've been saying, show me a sign, just let me know you're there, let me know you're there.
00:42And funny enough, I'm now going on a pilgrimage.
00:45That is insane, isn't it?
00:49Do you want to look at that view, Helen?
00:51Not really, thanks.
00:53Their final destination is Einsilden Abbey, with its revered 15th century Black Madonna,
00:59which attracts almost a million pilgrims and visitors every year.
01:04I wasn't expecting to have my breath taken away.
01:08For 12 days and over 300 kilometers.
01:12We are twice as high as Mount Snowden.
01:14Wow.
01:15There'll be challenges.
01:17Fingers crossed, none of us die and we all make it.
01:20Yeah.
01:21Realizations.
01:22I feel like I'm plugged into something really special.
01:26You're someone who makes me believe more.
01:28And surprises.
01:29I ain't going over a spider.
01:31With this stroke, you're becoming our brother.
01:35I never sit down with a mate and say, okay, let's talk about faith.
01:39We have killed, we have maimed, we've done terrible things to one another.
01:43But will they embrace this journey of a lifetime?
01:47I wonder how far we are from the border.
01:51We've not got too long left.
01:53How long?
01:54You don't want to know.
01:56You don't want to know.
02:01On their journey, meeting a monk was a first for actor Helen Lederer.
02:06I want to ask a question but my mouth is full of bread.
02:09But singer Jay McGuinness was left disappointed.
02:12I found it a little bit more difficult than I thought I would.
02:15Paralympian Steph Reid was in her comfort zone.
02:18Has anyone ever noticed Jesus is often painted with like a solid six pack?
02:22No.
02:23But journalist Nelifer Hedayat and comedian Daliso Chapunda clashed.
02:27We have done terrible things to one another in the name of faith.
02:31Do you think Mohammed is a fan of people killing in his name?
02:35While traitors winner Harry Clark and presenter Jeff Brazier with a perfect match.
02:40I'm not complaining because I'm about to sleep with Jeff Brazier.
02:43Goodnight son.
02:44Goodnight.
02:45The pilgrims have woken up in the alpine village of St Anton am Alberg.
02:57In medieval times it was a hamlet on the pilgrimage route.
03:00But these days it's a popular ski resort.
03:03This morning the group are taking a cable car to just over 2,000 metres.
03:09Wheeee!
03:10I could just do this all day.
03:13It's like a roller coaster.
03:15I was not expecting that.
03:16That was good.
03:17No.
03:18We are really high.
03:19Oh yeah.
03:20Seriously, no one else's ears popping.
03:21No, not yet.
03:22Helen's Czechoslovakian father regularly brought his family on ski holidays to Austria when she
03:30was a child.
03:31Look at the views.
03:32I mean this is where you see the little villages and when it's snowing you see all the snow
03:38and it all looks pretty and it's glistening and then you might have an apple juice and a
03:43chocolate cake maybe and then you put your skis on and then you go down.
03:47When was the last time you went skiing?
03:49When I was 17.
03:50That was the last time I went anywhere with my parents.
03:52After that it becomes embarrassing, doesn't it?
03:54The group started out four days ago in Inzing and have travelled west by foot and by bus
04:05following the Inn Valley.
04:08With 200 kilometres still to go, they'll explore the St Anton area before heading across the
04:14Alberg Massif towards the border with Switzerland.
04:19There they'll cross the Appenzell Alps and the last push from the medieval town of Rappersville
04:25will bring them to their journey's end, Einseelden Abbey.
04:29A famous pilgrim destination with a remarkable history that goes back over a thousand years.
04:39I've jumped out in that way.
04:41There we go.
04:42I didn't know you did your own stunts.
04:43I did my own stunts.
04:44Here we go.
04:46With challenging alpine paths still to come on the Camino...
04:49Here we go, team.
04:51Get the legs working.
04:52The pilgrims have been advised to acclimatise to mountain terrain by taking a higher walk
04:57in the St Anton area.
04:59Ah, this is the angle in my legs.
05:02They'll be getting a workout.
05:03Feel the echoes of previous days.
05:05Wow, look at that.
05:07The pilgrims are surrounded by the peaks of the Fairval Alps, towering to over 3,000 metres.
05:15Anyone else feeling it yet?
05:19Yep.
05:20I think everyone is.
05:27So, we are 2,080 metres, pilgrims.
05:33Ugh.
05:34Twice as high as Mount Snowdon.
05:36Wow.
05:37Well, this is the highest we've been.
05:48Yeah.
05:49It's probably the highest I've ever been.
05:51The highest you've ever been?
05:52I think so.
05:53I mean, Swaziland I was high, but it's not snow high.
05:59I'm very aware that my body's working much harder to do the same amount.
06:09We're nearly in space, aren't we?
06:11Must not be much further.
06:18I need to rest.
06:20I'm feeling it in my chest.
06:22Any opportunity to rest, I'll take it.
06:26On this pilgrimage, when we're going through these places, the memories, like, how do you feel?
06:33Are you...?
06:34It's triggering so much of, you know...
06:35Obviously, my father loved Austria so much, because as a boy, he would come to Austria.
06:39But then, the more you know about the actual role that the Austrians purportedly played in the war,
06:46the two things are in conflict because a lot of Austrians were part of the final solution.
06:53I mean, this is the thing about numbers.
06:55There's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people who died,
06:59including my father's family in Auschwitz.
07:03I mean, it's just beggar's belief, doesn't it?
07:05Yes.
07:06So, it was your father's family.
07:07How did your father get away?
07:09Well, I think what was usual in 1939 is you had to have a sponsor in England.
07:15They sent my father to school in Margate early, and then his parents followed and his sister followed.
07:22And when you were growing up, was it spoken of or never spoken of?
07:26It wasn't largely spoken of because of the need and the gratitude to be English
07:30and wanting to put the past, you know, behind you and celebrate.
07:38Like, we are just celebrating now, but move forward.
07:42Yeah.
07:45Do you feel your Jewishness plays a big part in your life?
07:51The Jewishness is complicated because I wasn't brought up in a Jewish home.
07:56My mother was English, not Jewish.
07:58But when I think about my grandmother and the way she spoke and her sadness, because there was obviously sadness,
08:09it's a conflict because you've inherited this, like, paranoia that there's something you can't talk about.
08:15You can't over-claim it because that would be a disservice to those people who are central to it.
08:21But it's really coming. It's kind of... I'm feeling it now.
08:25Feeling it here.
08:27So pick up your sticks. Let's go and catch up with the others.
08:31I enjoyed a brief rest. Did you enjoy a little rest?
08:34A little rest. A little rest.
08:35Let's do it.
08:36More pilgrimage now.
08:37Last week, there was an unseasonal dump of snow, and the pilgrims have to follow the path as it descends and cuts across the hill.
08:53Be careful.
08:54It's very slippery.
08:56Deeper here.
08:57But the path has been covered by a deep snowdrift.
09:00I'm really scared about this bit.
09:04As the route can be dangerous, the pilgrims have mountain guides with them, who take the lead.
09:10Yeah, go in my foot.
09:12Yeah, exactly.
09:13That's so deep.
09:14Delisa, are you putting your feet in her feet, yeah?
09:17In her feet, yeah.
09:18Okay.
09:19So if you put your feet in my feet, we're all good.
09:21Oh, my gosh.
09:23Are you supposed to be there?
09:24That is deep.
09:25That one's very deep, this one here.
09:26Okay, okay.
09:27Yeah.
09:31That foot there, that one, do you think?
09:34So this one.
09:37We are like proper pilgriming right now, innit?
09:39Yeah.
09:42Nana!
09:45I got it.
09:46Where?
09:47Oh.
09:48Whoa.
09:49If you go down, we go down together.
09:50I'll do it on my own.
09:51I'll do it on my own.
09:52Sure?
09:53That was very dicey, wasn't it?
09:56Do you think that's it now, Delisa?
09:58Yes.
09:59We're once more upon gravel.
10:02Oh, the joy.
10:03It's very satisfying once you're past it.
10:08So it.
10:09Okay.
10:10Okay.
10:11I feel the halo coming on.
10:13Snow angel.
10:14I feel the wings growing.
10:15Okay, it's finding the spot.
10:16Bags off.
10:17Bags off.
10:18Yeah.
10:19Okay.
10:20Oh, my God.
10:21Oh, my God.
10:22Is it deep?
10:23Can we do it?
10:24One, two, three.
10:26Wave, wave.
10:27And then we have to wave up and down.
10:29Oh!
10:31Oh, man.
10:33Wait, look.
10:34This is the best snow angel for real.
10:36Beautiful.
10:37Steph's angel.
10:38Was that Gabriel?
10:39I was channeling Manor Gabriel.
10:40Yeah.
10:41It's perfect.
10:43As the pilgrims have just experienced, unpredictable weather is becoming more frequent in the mountains
10:49and climate change is seen as a real threat to many ski resorts.
10:55On the way back down the mountain, the group take a local bus to visit the Verval Valley.
11:02Hello.
11:03Jay, lovely to meet you.
11:04Welcome.
11:05Martin.
11:06St Ebster grew up in St Anton and is proud that as a community, they're making the most
11:11of the area's greatest natural resource, water.
11:16People here decided, why don't we use our water for making electricity without producing CO2?
11:25And then they built the lake here.
11:27Yeah.
11:28I want to jump off this so bad.
11:29Don't.
11:30I can't lie, guys.
11:31Don't.
11:32Look how clear it looks.
11:33How fun would that be?
11:35The sun is shining right into our faces now.
11:38But behind the mountain top, there's a huge lake, about 20 times as big as this one.
11:44And they made a big pipe through the whole mountain, four kilometres, and it falls down
11:52500 metres.
11:54And that falling energy is used to produce hydropower.
11:59And that means that St Anton, the whole village, we don't need any electricity from anywhere in Europe.
12:06Self-sufficient.
12:07Self-sufficient is the right word.
12:09Martin takes the pilgrims to the dam at the end of the reservoir.
12:14Okay, so just step on here.
12:17Oh, wow.
12:18It's amazing.
12:19Goodness gracious.
12:20Wow.
12:21That is amazing.
12:23So, you can feel the power that water has.
12:26Wow.
12:27And this is what is so precious for us.
12:30That is amazing.
12:31See?
12:32Wow.
12:33Cool.
12:34By the lake is a small swimming spot.
12:46Geoff regularly takes ice baths at home and is keen to try it out.
12:51Every conversation we seem to have is a confirmation for me of what I've found and what I believe
12:57in terms of the universe, in terms of spirituality, in terms of connection with myself, in terms
13:01of a connection with the environment around me.
13:04I feel like that is absolutely deepening.
13:08And being in this environment just makes me feel like I'm recharging, like I'm plugged
13:15into something really special.
13:18Ten more seconds.
13:20My voice is a bit high.
13:22I feel like every moment I spend in this wonderful place is that feeling of I'm on the right path.
13:33So, this is my suffering.
13:35People in the past have gone on pilgrimages to suffer.
13:37And that's what I think it's about.
13:39I think it's about overcoming something that you know is going to be really uncomfortable
13:43because knowing that at the end of the discomfort, the other side of it is a feeling of pride
13:48and satisfaction.
13:50And as you'll notice, I didn't get my hair wet.
13:55No need.
13:56No need.
14:00Thanks a lot.
14:01Lovely.
14:03Thank you, thank you.
14:04It's time for the group to head back to St Anton.
14:07Which way did he say?
14:08That way.
14:09Thankfully downhill, Helen.
14:10Oh goody.
14:11Thank goodness.
14:16But before the pilgrims can take their boots off, they've got a five kilometre descent through
14:21a gorge.
14:24Big steps.
14:25Big steps.
14:26Steph is a below-knee amputee after a boating accident and has to be careful where she places
14:32her prosthetic foot.
14:33Helen, I need to copy your feet.
14:35I find it really helpful to follow someone's feet.
14:37Follow someone's feet.
14:38Oh yes.
14:39So I watch where you go.
14:40Copy my feet.
14:41If you need a hand, just let me know.
14:42I will.
14:43All good?
14:44Yeah.
14:47Wow.
14:48The views are amazing if you're brave enough to look at them.
14:51I know.
14:52I feel really torn though because I have to really pay attention.
14:53Like, I feel like I'm looking at what my feet are doing.
14:55That is insane, isn't it?
14:57Do you want to look at that view, Helen?
14:59Not really, thanks.
15:00It's been a long day.
15:07Here we are, eh?
15:09It's nice to have feet back on solid ground.
15:11I already feel different.
15:14Now the group know each other better, Steph decides to tell them about her accident.
15:20I do appreciate that no one's kind of just asked, just because it is a tough story to tell.
15:25When I was 15, we were doing this thing called tubing, which is when you attach a rubber inner tube to the back of a speedboat and you go flying across the water.
15:38I hit a wave and I flipped off and the driver had no idea.
15:43I was in the water and I saw the boat coming.
15:47And I knew immediately, you know, something was wrong.
15:50He is just, he's coming way too fast.
15:53And I just remember the last thing, just seeing that ridge of the boat as it went on top.
15:59I just knew from my friends' faces as they pulled me onto the boat that, you know, this is not good.
16:08Like there is too much blood.
16:10I remember being in the back of the ambulance and just desperate to survive.
16:20Suddenly that was it.
16:21In a split second, that was it.
16:23There was going to be no more time.
16:24And it was terrifying.
16:26And I prayed for the first time, probably seriously, God, please, please save me.
16:37And I know that he answered that prayer.
16:43And I remember waking up from surgery and just feeling so grateful.
16:48And then my mom walked into the recovery room and she was the one who had to tell me that my right foot had had to be amputated.
17:01And I was devastated.
17:04I was so thankful to still be alive, but I was so angry.
17:13And I just thought, how can a God save you and yet leave you in such a cruel position?
17:20But I think back now, and I cannot deny that there was another, I think presence is the best word that I can say.
17:29It just felt like something was fighting for my life.
17:33Something that said, this sucks right now, but it will not be like this forever.
17:38The day will come when this is going to be okay.
17:41And this level of hope, that was the start of my faith.
17:48Which sounds bizarre, but that was it.
17:51I will never forget, seven days after the accident, a nurse walked into my room who absolutely changed my life.
18:01She said, Stephanie, it is time.
18:05It is time to move forward.
18:08Others have and you can too.
18:12Wow.
18:14Yes.
18:15I was shocked.
18:16Because she was the first person who had walked into that room and didn't feel sorry for me.
18:23Had absolutely zero pity.
18:25That was the first time that I actually felt like doing something or fighting.
18:28That was enough to just release that competitive spark.
18:32Is that hope what has carried you through all of those Paralympics and the awards and the accolades?
18:40Is that the genesis of that hope?
18:42Um, you've got me going there.
18:45Um, yes.
18:48Because I think, like that to me, if you don't have hope, I just think, what is the point?
18:54There's nothing else.
18:55I find you're someone who makes me believe more when I talk to you.
19:00Because I had a certain amount of faith.
19:03And then it's not that I lost it.
19:05It just became a thing in the background.
19:07And then when I talk to you, I remember the fervour which I had and I miss it.
19:12And so I just find you've been a catalyst for faith.
19:17Yeah.
19:18Thank you for, um, taking us through that and coming out the other side and showing us what faith is.
19:28Thank you for listening.
19:29Thank you for telling us.
19:30I really appreciate that.
19:31Please appreciate it.
19:32I appreciate this.
19:33Bye-bye, everyone.
19:34I appreciate it.
19:35I appreciate it.
19:36I appreciate it.
19:38We appreciate it.
19:39You all come.
19:40ORCHESTRAL MUSIC PLAYS
20:10Sorted. Now I look half as good as Jeff.
20:17Helen, is it me?
20:18Yes.
20:19Or are these heavier than they were?
20:22They are heavier, yes. Confirmed.
20:25I think it's cumulative.
20:29Everyone ready to go?
20:30Yeah.
20:30We're going that way.
20:31Are we? OK.
20:32That way, does it?
20:34Yeah, follow the leaders.
20:36Let's do it.
20:40I haven't woken up this morning.
20:42No?
20:42I'm very much very sleepy.
20:45From St Anson, the pilgrims will head to the mountain pass
20:49on the Alberg Massif,
20:51via a steep climb to the highest point of the Camino,
20:54just outside St Christophe.
20:56Then they'll head down the other side of the pass towards Dalas.
21:00It is very steep.
21:02Yeah.
21:03We're going up this way here.
21:04Are we?
21:06OK.
21:07If it's this all day, I will be dead.
21:09And I'd forgotten how everything has to be uphill if you're a pilgrim.
21:14Well, religion's an uphill battle, sir.
21:16That's it.
21:17Allah help me.
21:18On the way, the pilgrims pass Senhuta,
21:23a place famous for its alpine flowers.
21:26Look at this, the chocolate plant.
21:28Tanya Sen has spent 15 years working to preserve alpine flora.
21:33Touch it and smell.
21:34Oh, I love it.
21:35I can't believe they actually smell like chocolate.
21:37Lovely.
21:38Now I want your opinion.
21:40What's this?
21:42Like peppermint or something?
21:44No, it's something very special.
21:46Coca-Cola.
21:48Oh, yes!
21:49It's Coca-Cola.
21:51Yeah.
21:53Scientists have warned that alpine plants like Edelweiss,
21:57which thrive between 2,000 and 3,000 metres,
22:00could become extinct if it becomes too warm for the flowers to grow there.
22:06Over there, that's our Edelweiss.
22:09Oh, wow.
22:10Tanya has cultivated 107,000 of Austria's national flower
22:15in the shape of the flower itself.
22:18Edelweiss has always been used to say, I love you.
22:22No way.
22:24There were 47 men killed picking Edelweiss in one year.
22:29No way.
22:30Why would you be killed by it?
22:32Because it's growing high up on the mountains
22:34and it's very difficult to get there.
22:37He says, is that why it's such a big deal
22:39if a man gets you an Edelweiss flower?
22:41That's it.
22:41Because he really did a good job to find it.
22:44Got it.
22:47Quality.
22:48Handpicked.
22:49For the girls.
22:50Amazing.
22:51Thank you, darling.
22:52You're welcome.
22:52Wondrous, wondrous ladies.
22:55It's our first keepsake.
22:56Oh, thank you.
23:00I am married, though.
23:01Apologies.
23:03It was worth a shot.
23:05Thank you so much.
23:05Thank you for being here.
23:07Enjoy your trip.
23:08And don't forget the Edelweiss.
23:10We will never forget it now.
23:12Thanks so much.
23:13Take care.
23:14The group continue their climb to St. Christoph
23:23following the ancient Pilgrim Way,
23:26which is part of the Camino de Santiago, or Jakobsweg.
23:31In the Middle Ages, pilgrims and traders
23:34could only get through the mountains
23:35by taking this route across the Albergh Pass.
23:39In winter, it was a dangerous trek.
23:42We're now on our way to St. Christoph, right?
23:45Yeah.
23:45He is my favourite patron saint.
23:47Why?
23:48Well, it's in the Catholic religion,
23:50and he's the patron saint of travel.
23:53He also is supposed to protect you
23:54from, like, epileptic fits, lightning strikes,
23:57literally everything.
24:02How's it going?
24:04I'm just emitting sound.
24:09Sort of helps.
24:10What about you, Steph?
24:16I'm loving the natural steps I built in.
24:18Yeah, they are helpful.
24:21Nature's stair climber.
24:23So, my St. Christopher was given to me by my family.
24:27Do you want any by such?
24:28Yeah, of course.
24:30So that's my St. Christopher.
24:32Then on the back, you'll see it's engraved from my family
24:34with a special little message.
24:36Then it was blessed by the priest of my church.
24:40Dear Harry, our hero.
24:43That's so nice.
24:44It's cute, isn't it?
24:46That's lovely.
24:48I'll never go anywhere about this.
24:49It's like, wherever I am in the world,
24:51especially when I was in the army,
24:52it's like my family's always with me.
24:54That's beautiful.
24:54And they're always over my heart, too, so...
24:56It's kind of cool, isn't it?
24:57That's lovely.
24:58I know.
24:58Okay.
24:59Onwards and upwards.
25:08If you need a little breather,
25:09just remember to say...
25:10No deal.
25:12Okay, I'll do it.
25:19And that one.
25:20Yep.
25:21All good?
25:22Yeah, I'm good.
25:22Do you want me to take your back for this bit,
25:24or are you good?
25:25Not yet.
25:26I'm a pilgrim.
25:27I'm in a team of other pilgrims.
25:30And frankly, that's the only way I can do them.
25:34Would you forever be in love with someone, Helen,
25:36if they climbed up this to get you an Edelweiss?
25:38No, I think they'd be a bit over-keen.
25:43You don't want someone that clingy?
25:44No.
25:44I like them a bit hard to get.
25:47Oh, you like a bit of the...
25:48I do.
25:49...challenge?
25:50I do.
25:51Nearly there now, anyway.
25:53Are we?
25:53Yeah.
25:54I mean, are you just saying that?
25:56Gasping.
25:57It's keeping me going.
26:01Okay, Harry.
26:02Yeah?
26:03I'm giving it to you.
26:05Helen, of course.
26:06Get rid of it.
26:09It's so much nicer.
26:11For me...
26:12Does that feel nicer?
26:13I don't know about you.
26:14No, no, it's fine.
26:14It's like you're carrying four children now.
26:17Sorry.
26:18Got all my cosmetics.
26:19Yeah.
26:21Does it feel better?
26:21It really does.
26:22I can't tell you.
26:25My body is struggling.
26:26I think I'm closer to God than everyone else,
26:29because I'm struggling more.
26:33Still going?
26:34Still grunting.
26:35Oh, this is looking promising.
26:36Oh, this is looking promising.
26:37Oh, this is looking promising.
26:38Oh, this is looking promising.
26:39Alongside Lake Mayencee.
26:40This is the lake.
26:41The pilgrims have reached the plateau at the top of the Alberg Pass.
26:43We've made it.
26:44We've made it with a lot of assistance, has to be said.
26:48We could eat here.
26:49Yeah.
26:50It looks like an inbuilt table.
26:51And chairs.
26:52Absolutely.
26:54Built by nature.
26:56Thanks, Abby.
26:57It's all right.
26:57Well done, team.
26:58Yeah.
26:58Well done, team.
27:11Yeah, well done, everyone.
27:12Haven't been exhausted.
27:15And we're near the highest point of the trail,
27:17so hopefully it'll be always downhill after that.
27:22Result.
27:23This is so nice, because this just feels like I'm with a bunch of mates.
27:26That's lovely. I think we are.
27:28I'm not sure I'm interested in being friends with Harry.
27:34Lovely, lovely Harry.
27:41On y va. Onwards and upwards.
27:43After lunch, it's just a short walk to the highest point
27:47on the entire Camino de Santiago, or Jakobsweg.
27:51I am very aware that it's very safe for us,
27:54but back in the day, like, a lot of the pilgrims would die on this route.
27:59I don't know if I would die for my faith.
28:00If it's dangerous, I'll become an atheist.
28:04To reach here through winter storms and snow
28:07put many a floundering medieval pilgrim at risk.
28:10So here, we are at the highest point, right?
28:14Yeah.
28:15You know, what was kind of inspiring
28:17is there was this amazing guy called Einrich Findelkind.
28:22He was a foundling, and he was a shepherd,
28:26and lots of people were dying on this route.
28:28I mean, we're at the highest point.
28:29They have very deep snow.
28:31It's perilous, and he wanted to have a hostel
28:34for the pilgrims who were dying on the journey.
28:39So he built somewhere for pilgrims?
28:41He built somewhere for pilgrims.
28:44Named after the patron saint of travellers,
28:46the chapel in St Christophe marks where the 14th-century hostel
28:50was built to save pilgrims from untimely deaths.
28:53I mean, to find corpses in the snow,
28:58I mean, that was the motivatory factor, wasn't it?
29:01Yes, exactly.
29:02There would have been a lot of deaths, quite frankly, wouldn't there?
29:04No paths, there was none of them steps.
29:06Imagine where we're walking up that mountain.
29:08None of that's there.
29:10Fingers crossed.
29:11None of us die, and we all make it.
29:13Yeah, come on.
29:14Cheers to that.
29:15That's rough.
29:15We will make it. We will make it.
29:17The only way is down from here.
29:19Oh, I'm so happy.
29:20The pilgrims start following the path down towards St Christophe.
29:30I think it is just round that corner.
29:32Oh, that would be good.
29:33It's a cool town,
29:34because there's only, like, 50 people living here right now.
29:36Only 50?
29:37Well, no, until ski season.
29:38Oh, yeah.
29:39And then it explodes.
29:40Right.
29:42So, Nellie, why are you on this pilgrimage?
29:45Is there something that's lost inside you?
29:48I came on this pilgrimage
29:49because I thought it would be fun,
29:51but I'm finding it going to the sinews of my heart.
29:55I didn't expect that.
29:57You seem a bit like a rule-breaker.
29:59Mm-hmm.
29:59So, how do you overcome that in your faith,
30:01and essentially, why do you still believe in your God,
30:04and why are you still Muslim?
30:05I've learned that the rules of my faith
30:08do not make a good Muslim.
30:10Because I'm rebellious,
30:12because I've chosen to modernise the faith,
30:14my faith lives on.
30:16And the only way that I can really do that
30:18is sometimes by bending,
30:20if not breaking,
30:21the rules a little bit, Harry, so...
30:23Well, I'm like you,
30:23just in a different faith.
30:25So that's why I asked,
30:26that's why I said.
30:27The point is, Harry,
30:28that I make decisions for myself.
30:30You know, I've got a white atheist husband.
30:33Mm.
30:33You know, I'm a feminist.
30:35I'll go to the beach,
30:35I'll go for a swim,
30:36I don't wear the hijab.
30:37Yeah.
30:38But no-one can tell me I'm not a Muslim.
30:41Yeah.
30:41Because I tell me I'm a Muslim.
30:43So, would you say you're damned by now?
30:47And how do you bear that?
30:49Never shy away from asking
30:50the hardest questions on earth, yeah?
30:52You keep cracking on.
30:53Am I damned?
30:57Yeah, I think so.
31:00But I don't know if I believe
31:02in the version of the God
31:04that would damn me
31:05for living the life that I pick.
31:08Tonight, the group are staying
31:13in a local guesthouse.
31:21While most of the pilgrims
31:22are settling into their rooms,
31:26downstairs, after a hard day,
31:28Helen is having a drink with Jay.
31:31You want a sip?
31:32Yeah, go on, babes, thank you.
31:35Raised Catholic,
31:35Jay became an atheist in his teenage years
31:38but recently has realised he's more agnostic.
31:41What I want to know with you is,
31:46because we talk about atheism
31:47and we talk about agnostic,
31:49being agnostic.
31:50There could be a lot more
31:53than meets the eye
31:54in this world and beyond.
31:56And beyond.
31:57So, you are saying there's something else,
31:59right?
31:59And because I believe in God,
32:01there is something else.
32:02You do believe in God.
32:03I do believe in God.
32:05When we die,
32:07what happens to our soul?
32:08I don't think life just ends.
32:10I'm just thinking that we live on
32:14in who we've touched.
32:16Don't you ever get a sense of something?
32:19I'm tempted to think that,
32:21but no, I think that I want to think that.
32:23I know that when,
32:26like when my mother died,
32:28when you're having to face grief,
32:30then that person is still with you.
32:32I get a sense of her
32:33being with me.
32:38So,
32:40One second.
32:41Just give me a little cry in the toilet.
32:43Okay.
32:43I'll be right back, love.
32:44Right, okay.
32:45Got it.
32:45No, do the cry.
32:46In 2022,
32:50Jay lost his close friend
32:52and bandmate,
32:53Tom Parker,
32:54who died from cancer
32:55aged just 33.
33:00Right.
33:01Okay.
33:02I'll probably go again,
33:03but don't panic.
33:04Yeah,
33:04I'm not panicking
33:05because it was great,
33:07great to see you back.
33:09No,
33:10but it's interesting
33:12because I said that
33:13about my mother
33:14only because
33:15being the one
33:16left behind
33:17you have to think about it.
33:19So I know
33:20your
33:22close friend,
33:23Tom,
33:24died.
33:24Did you know
33:25that he was dying?
33:27Yeah.
33:31So
33:32they knew it was serious
33:34quite quickly
33:35and
33:36there's not really
33:38lots you can do.
33:39Did it
33:40make you think
33:42a person is here
33:44and what happens
33:47to you
33:47when that person
33:50is not there?
33:51I totally...
33:52I think
33:53it felt
33:54really senseless.
33:59Did that make you
34:00believe less in God?
34:01I mean,
34:01it's so painful
34:02to think of
34:03the end of a human.
34:04Yeah.
34:05All the joy,
34:06all the little
34:06microcells that made
34:07that in him.
34:09Then you just go,
34:10well,
34:10is that it?
34:12What was it all for?
34:14I think
34:15as much as you can be,
34:17I'm agnostic.
34:18I'm really open
34:19to the idea
34:19that there's something,
34:20but I haven't got a clue.
34:22I haven't got a clue.
34:23But you have got a clue.
34:24You've got loads of clues.
34:25That's why you're agnostic.
34:26If you're an atheist,
34:27it would be like,
34:28yeah,
34:28it's a clue.
34:28You've got loads of clues.
34:30Yeah,
34:31I'm missing something.
34:32Yeah,
34:32but we need to work on it,
34:33don't we?
34:34Yeah,
34:34probably.
34:35But knowing
34:35that someone
34:37that I really respect
34:38and really love
34:39believes in God
34:41is a big comfort to me.
34:44I just don't know
34:44if I'm exactly there yet.
34:46Get it.
34:47And you don't have to be.
34:48I'm going to take some wine.
34:51Yeah,
34:52maybe I'll get one.
34:53Mm-mm.
34:58The group has a busy day
35:15ahead of them
35:16on the Austrian Camino.
35:19Let's do it.
35:20Let's do it.
35:21Cheers.
35:21Auf Wiedersehen.
35:24Hey, birthday girl.
35:25Yes.
35:26Yeah.
35:27Here we are.
35:27Do you not want to talk about it?
35:29No,
35:29I'm embracing it.
35:31Good.
35:31Slowly.
35:32Even if you don't want
35:33to talk about it,
35:34we're going to celebrate it.
35:37This morning,
35:38the pilgrims are heading
35:39to St Christoph
35:40and its medieval chapel.
35:42So,
35:43it is my birthday.
35:45Birthday queen.
35:47How would your birthday
35:48be topped off
35:48on this fine pilgrimage day?
35:50Um,
35:51a mattress
35:52I'm hoping for
35:53and
35:54a drink
35:55minimum
35:57and
35:58some kind of
36:00closure
36:01that
36:01the next day
36:03will be
36:04not my birthday.
36:07Really?
36:07Do you not like
36:08your birthday?
36:08Do you not like
36:09the attention?
36:11I don't actually.
36:12Possibly because of the numbers
36:13of the birthday,
36:14but,
36:15um,
36:15but I think it's giving
36:16everybody else
36:17an opportunity
36:17to plot
36:18and do something
36:19and then it might
36:19go horribly wrong.
36:20but I'm wise
36:22and I'm old
36:23and I'll act
36:24with grace
36:24whatever happens.
36:26I can't promise anything.
36:28I don't want you
36:28to dress up
36:29in stupid clothing
36:30and then think
36:31it's all fun.
36:32I mean,
36:32I will be polite
36:33but just know
36:34it's not what I want.
36:34the chapel
36:40of St. Christoph
36:41belongs to
36:42the Bruderschaft
36:43or Brotherhood.
36:46Oh,
36:46I love shields.
36:48You see the shields?
36:48I always loved
36:49the heraldry
36:50and what the heraldry
36:51may mean.
36:52The Bruderschaft
36:53is a charity
36:54set up
36:54in the 14th century
36:56by Heinrich
36:57Findelkind
36:58the foundling
36:58when he built
36:59his hostel
37:00right on this spot
37:01for medieval pilgrims
37:02struggling in the snow.
37:04Eerie, isn't it?
37:05Like going into a dungeon.
37:08Oh, wow.
37:10It even smells old
37:11in here.
37:13Hello.
37:14Hello.
37:14Jeff.
37:15Hi, Jeff.
37:16Florian.
37:16Nice to meet you, Florian.
37:17Yeah, this is definitely
37:18like medieval times.
37:20Florian Werner
37:21and his family
37:22have been looking
37:23after the chapel
37:23and the Bruderschaft
37:24charity
37:25since 1961.
37:27Hi, welcome.
37:28Welcome in St. Christoph
37:29and welcome
37:30to our secret
37:31hidden place.
37:33We are here
37:34in the cellar
37:35of the church.
37:36But the cellar
37:37is not underground
37:38because we are
37:38on a huge stone.
37:40And Heinrich,
37:41the foundling,
37:42knew that he has
37:42to build this place
37:44on a stone
37:44because then
37:45it stays forever there.
37:46This used to be
37:47the cellar
37:48where they kept
37:48the diary products,
37:50where there had
37:50the cheese in it.
37:52When my father
37:53came to St. Christoph,
37:56he figured out
37:56it's nicer
37:57to have some wine
37:57in here.
37:58So this is really
37:59this old tradition
38:00really old stones.
38:02They're all
38:02from the 14th century.
38:05Wow.
38:05What you see in here.
38:06This was built
38:07in the 14th century?
38:08Yes.
38:09This part.
38:09It's all very
38:10cloak and dagger.
38:11Yeah.
38:12It's a nice history.
38:13And I like this tradition.
38:15You know,
38:15it's nowadays,
38:16it's so important
38:17to have something
38:17you can touch
38:19and know,
38:19OK, this is 600 years old.
38:21This is really
38:21and it's still here.
38:24In medieval times,
38:25members of the Bruderschaft
38:27donated money
38:28for the upkeep
38:28of the pilgrim hostel
38:29and chapel.
38:31These days,
38:32members are part
38:33of a centuries-old
38:34giving community
38:35and donations
38:36go to families
38:37in need.
38:38At the moment,
38:39we have 16,000 members
38:41in the Bruderschaft
38:41and with the money,
38:43we have around
38:441 million euros a year
38:45nowadays
38:45where we can help people
38:47when they got
38:48in financial difficulties.
38:50We have members
38:51from all over,
38:5258 different countries.
38:54We even had
38:55your king now,
38:56King Charles,
38:57when he was here
38:57in the 80s
38:58with Lady Di.
39:00He was supposed
39:00to become a member,
39:01but my father said
39:02that he's still
39:03under observation,
39:04so he's still
39:05nowadays under observation.
39:07But we have
39:07the royal family
39:08from Spain,
39:08we have the royal family
39:09from the Netherlands,
39:10so this was our
39:11lucky part
39:11that we got
39:12all those members
39:13from the little man
39:14from the street
39:15up to the royal families
39:16becoming member
39:17of the Bruderschaft.
39:19But what does it
39:19actually mean
39:20to be part of the Bruderschaft
39:22and you become
39:23a Bruderschaft
39:24from any religion?
39:25How does that sort of work?
39:26Obviously,
39:27in the 14th century,
39:28it was Catholic
39:28and nowadays,
39:30we do not even ask
39:31what religion are you?
39:32So,
39:33can we all become
39:34Bruderschaft members?
39:36It would be a great honor.
39:38Now we go upstairs.
39:40You're never
39:41going to call us all
39:42to battle
39:42or to fight
39:43for you or anything?
39:44No.
39:44Okay, fine, fair.
39:47The initiation ceremony
39:48has barely changed
39:50since the Middle Ages.
39:51Welcome
39:52to the Bruderschaft
39:53Church
39:54in St. Christophe.
39:56We do now
39:56the ceremony.
39:57This is
39:57unfortunately
39:59only a replica.
40:00It's not the original one,
40:01but the original one
40:02is in Spain
40:03in a museum
40:03and Christophe Columbus
40:05when he became
40:06Admiral
40:07of the Spanish fleet.
40:10They used the same sword
40:11for him
40:12to become
40:12an Admiral
40:13of the Spanish fleet.
40:15So,
40:15we have the great pleasure
40:16calling
40:17our novice
40:18Helen Lederer.
40:20Go on, Helen.
40:20What did you do
40:21on your birthday?
40:22The sword
40:23weighs a hefty
40:2415 and a half kilos.
40:27Dear novice Helen,
40:28according to
40:29the old law
40:30of the Brotherhood,
40:30with this stroke,
40:32you're becoming
40:32our sister.
40:34Welcome
40:35to the Bruderschaft
40:36St. Christophe.
40:37And now you may
40:38take this sword
40:39and there's this,
40:40the pin.
40:41This design,
40:42unchanged
40:43since 600 years.
40:45The three red crosses,
40:46hope, love
40:47and belief.
40:48And I put this up here
40:49and now you are
40:51our sister.
40:53Accept.
40:53Welcome.
40:55And I may kiss my sister.
40:59Dear novice James,
41:00according to
41:01the old of the Brotherhood,
41:02with this stroke,
41:04you're becoming
41:05our brother,
41:07our sister,
41:08Nelova.
41:09With this stroke,
41:11you're becoming
41:11our member,
41:13brother,
41:13Dalizo,
41:14in the Brotherhood.
41:15Our sister,
41:16Stephanie.
41:18Brother Jeff.
41:19Dear novice Harry,
41:20according to
41:21the old of the Brotherhood,
41:22with this stroke,
41:24you're becoming
41:24our brother,
41:26Harry.
41:27Please take this word.
41:28Can I ask you a question,
41:29Brother Leone?
41:31How come we use the sword?
41:33Because it's tradition.
41:35600 years,
41:36we used it.
41:38So I can't keep it?
41:39No.
41:40You can buy one.
41:44You look so proud.
41:46He loves that.
41:46So thank you very much
41:48for becoming member
41:49of the Brotherhood.
41:50The ceremony is over
41:52and you survived.
41:55Thank you so much.
41:57Everyone in.
41:58And the sword.
42:02Thanks, brother.
42:04Bye.
42:05Thank you, Flo.
42:06Bye.
42:07Nice meeting you.
42:08All the best.
42:09Thank you, Florian.
42:10Enjoy your walk.
42:11I really liked him.
42:12I did, too.
42:13Very special man.
42:14He was.
42:15We keep finding that,
42:17don't we,
42:17with the people we're meeting,
42:19that they're really playful
42:21as well as dedicated.
42:24From here,
42:25the pilgrims are descending
42:27to Kloestertal,
42:28an alpine valley,
42:30and they're hostile
42:30in the village of De Laas.
42:33Need a hand, Steph?
42:34Oh, good.
42:36Of course not.
42:37But as they work
42:38their way down,
42:39the weather closes in.
42:41The heavens have opened there.
42:42It's open.
42:44This is the one time
42:44where I will walk briskly.
42:46I do not want to be wet
42:47like a teabag.
42:49Oh.
42:50I think we're heading
42:51somewhere pretty interesting
42:52in terms of a hostel.
42:54Interesting means unknown.
42:56Yeah?
42:57Part of a pilgrimage
42:58is to step outside
42:59your comfort zone.
43:00Yes.
43:00Yeah, I feel like
43:01I'm already there.
43:02I am so there.
43:04Just another beautiful day
43:06on the pilgrimage, eh?
43:07I agree.
43:13I can't wait
43:16to take my boots off.
43:18We must be close
43:19to this hostel.
43:21After a long,
43:22wet afternoon,
43:23the pilgrims finally
43:24reach the outskirts
43:26of De Laas.
43:27Stunning.
43:27And their hostel
43:28is in sight.
43:29Oh, look.
43:29There's a donkey there.
43:30Oh.
43:31Look at this sign.
43:32Ah!
43:33Pillager Herberger.
43:34Which I think means...
43:35Pillager Herberger.
43:36Pilgrimage Hostel.
43:39Runner beans.
43:41Oh, this is all
43:41looking really
43:42homesteading.
43:43Very homesteading.
43:45Lots of chickens.
43:46Yeah.
43:47I wonder if they eat them.
43:49Do you think?
43:49I think they probably do.
43:51We have made it, pilgrims.
43:53Look at that.
43:54Hammer.
43:55This is lovely.
43:56Hello.
43:57Hello.
43:59Hello, hello.
44:00Hello.
44:00Hello.
44:01Welcome to Pilgrim Herberger.
44:05It's great that you are here.
44:06Good to know them.
44:07Helen.
44:07Hello.
44:08Hello.
44:08I'm calling Jeff?
44:10Hello.
44:10Is that right?
44:11It's that right?
44:12Christine Dietrich
44:13has been running
44:13her pilgrim hostel
44:14for over a decade.
44:17Welcome to me.
44:19While the girls check out the bathing facilities, the boys head inside.
44:29Let's go this way.
44:30This place is mad. This reminds me of like the Waltons.
44:34Very quirky.
44:36Oh, it's a stable. It's a stable. One of us staying in here like Jesus.
44:41Look at this. Yeah, what's around here? This is like mad.
44:45One, two, three, four, five, six.
44:52Oh, there's a double bed, Harry. That's got to be Helen's room, right?
44:56I could do a sleeping bag on the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:59Shall we speak to the ladies? Even if she doesn't take the double though,
45:03I think Helen should choose where she wants to sit.
45:05Yeah, of course. She won't mince her words anyway.
45:07She will not.
45:09Hi, guys. Hello.
45:11Have you been in the house? Not yet.
45:13Helen, we think you should get the double for yourself. It's your birthday, so...
45:17Yeah. Yeah.
45:18Well, are you all sure? Oh, yes.
45:20Yeah. Yeah.
45:21If you are all happy, I will take that. Yes.
45:23Are you sure you can sleep on the floor though?
45:25I have slept on the floor. I'm an African.
45:30So, you have to go through like a barn.
45:32It's in!
45:33So, Helen, that will be your boudoir.
45:35Oh, my goodness.
45:36Over there.
45:37Heaven.
45:38And then one of the other ladies will stay over there.
45:40This is fair.
45:41Oh, my God, Helen.
45:42There's a Buddha up there.
45:43Yeah.
45:44Gosh.
45:45Okay.
45:46Will you be near the animals?
45:47Yeah.
45:48Wonderful.
45:51Unbeknownst to Helen, the pilgrims have been making plans for her birthday.
45:56Oh.
45:57Oh.
45:58I think it's good.
45:59That does look good.
46:01That's lovely.
46:04Woo!
46:05Woo!
46:06Thank you so much.
46:07What?
46:08Bless you, darling.
46:09What a surprise.
46:11Now, my eyes are drawn to the bottle that has the word gin on.
46:17I don't deserve it, do I?
46:18I think you do.
46:19Oh.
46:20You've kept our spirits high.
46:21Oh, and more spirits.
46:24Yay!
46:25Now we pop the champagne.
46:26Woo!
46:27Woo!
46:30Woo!
46:31Yay!
46:32Now it's a birthday party.
46:35Cheers.
46:36To Helen.
46:37To Helen.
46:38To Helen.
46:39To longevity.
46:48Party over, the pilgrims start getting ready for bed, but the hostel's at an altitude of
46:53more than 800 metres.
46:54And at night, the temperature drops.
46:59It's extremely cold.
47:01Actually, I think, I think I might sleep with my hat on.
47:06Um.
47:07Yeah.
47:13If it wasn't her birthday, I would literally be like, no.
47:22It's a little bit chilly, but when you snuggle down, you warm up.
47:26I will survive.
47:27Good night.
47:28Sleep tight.
47:29Good night, Helen.
47:30Oh.
47:31Are you sleeping in your clothes, too?
47:38Helen?
47:39Yeah?
47:40Do you know where the light is?
47:41Yeah?
47:43Do you know where my light is, Helen?
47:44No, I don't.
47:45You'll have to find it.
47:56Hallelujah.
47:57Wait, can you put yours on while I get back to my bed?
47:59Oh, my God.
48:00It's never ending.
48:02Are you sorted?
48:03I'm sorted.
48:04Alright, good night.
48:05Good night, Helen.
48:06Happy birthday.
48:07It's seven o'clock, and the pilgrims are slowly waking up.
48:23I hate my life right now.
48:25What's happened?
48:27No, honestly, Helen, otherwise I'd sleep with my hat.
48:30I've been munched up by bugs.
48:32I've got hay fever.
48:33There's a shared toilet that I froze on.
48:36That cock-a-doodle-doo's going to get dabbling down the window in a minute.
48:40Alright, listen.
48:41I'll go and make your cup of tea or coffee.
48:44You're the best.
48:45I think that they might smuggle the ducks into the walls at night
48:48because there was quacks coming from every room in this house.
48:52The beds are absolutely tiny.
48:54Look.
48:55My feet.
48:56I'm like elf.
49:01I'm not doing this again.
49:03My body is going to be so in pain.
49:05Today's walking.
49:07Dave, do you fancy a bath?
49:09Yeah, go on then.
49:12A bath at Christine's hostel is a unique pilgrim experience.
49:20Oh, sorry.
49:21Oh, sorry.
49:25Okay, let's try it.
49:26It's going to be freezing hard for them, eh?
49:31Yeah, it is.
49:32Are you ready?
49:33I think so.
49:39Alright, I'll have a bit.
49:41It's very cold afterwards.
49:43Can I have a bit?
49:45We might be running out of warm.
49:47Yeah, warm.
49:49That was bad.
49:50Hi, Christine.
49:54It's nice.
49:56I'm going to get bathed by the Queen herself.
50:01Oh, lovely.
50:05Perfect.
50:06The bag is gone.
50:07Three, two, one.
50:08Oh!
50:09Oh!
50:10Oh!
50:11Oh, no, no.
50:13Before the pilgrims leave the hostel, their host has a special stamp to send them on their
50:21way to Ainzilden Abbey.
50:22Ooh!
50:23Special!
50:24Oh, lovely.
50:25Thank you so much.
50:27Auf Wiedersehen.
50:28Bye!
50:29Auf Wiedersehen.
50:30Switzerland this way.
50:32That was a very beautiful stay, wasn't it?
50:34Yeah, the bag is gone?
50:35Oh, no, no.
50:37Oh, no, no.
50:38Oh, no, no.
50:40Before the pilgrims leave the hostel, their host has a special stamp to send them on their
50:43way to Ainzilden Abbey.
50:44Oh, no, no, no, no.
50:45Oh, no, no, no.
50:46Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
50:47Oh, no, no.
50:48Oh, no, no, no.
50:49It was a very beautiful stay, wasn't it?
50:51It was.
50:54It's the pilgrims' last day in Austria.
50:56And this morning, they're following the Camino towards the Swiss border.
51:00But today, the group are splitting.
51:03As one group forges ahead, taking the direct route, Nelofa is keen to visit a nearby former
51:08hospital, now a refugee centre, and has asked Steph to go with her.
51:12Thanks for coming on this side quest with me.
51:15I'm enjoying today because my only criteria is no rain.
51:21When it's like this and it's beautiful, I could walk all day.
51:25As long as it's not super hot uphill.
51:26You will be walking all day.
51:27Well, we will be walking all day.
51:28I will be.
51:29I will be.
51:30We're actually walking to Switzerland now.
51:32We are literally von Trapp's.
51:34Yes, we are.
51:35We are.
51:36So I was going to ask you guys, what do you reckon has been your favourite moment from
51:42the Austrian part of the pilgrimage that we've done already?
51:45Mine was actually, that might surprise you, but it was a conversation I had with Helen.
51:51Oh.
51:52We were up on a mountain.
51:54For me, the moments between two have been very much what I valued the most.
52:01Because I never sit down with a mate and say, okay, let's talk about faith.
52:06No.
52:07Let's talk about Nazis.
52:08Do you know what I mean?
52:09Like, it's intense and unique to this.
52:11Lovely view.
52:12It's stunning.
52:13Amazing.
52:14Harry, where are we?
52:15So actually, looking on this map, see where them snowy mountain peaks are?
52:24Yeah.
52:25We've come round in front of them, then walked all the way through this valley.
52:28Wow.
52:29We've done the highest point of the pilgrimage path.
52:31Now we're here, about to enter Switzerland.
52:34I wonder how far we are from the border.
52:36On here, we've not got too long left.
52:38How long?
52:39You don't want to know.
52:40Let's just get to Switzerland.
52:46Meanwhile, Nellifer and Steph have gone to the town of Bluedesch.
52:50On the outskirts is a refugee centre run by Caritas, an international Catholic charity.
52:59Nellifer came into the UK as a refugee from Afghanistan at the age of seven.
53:05It's one of the invisible things that make me who I am.
53:09But I am nervous.
53:10I feel like this is quite a personal story for you.
53:14Yeah.
53:15Yeah.
53:16They're meeting Faisal Karim.
53:17He's lived at the centre for a year with other international refugees from a range of backgrounds and situations.
53:28Hi.
53:29Hi.
53:30Hi.
53:31Good to meet you.
53:32I'm Nilifer.
53:33How are you?
53:34Good to meet you.
53:35Good to meet you.
53:36Good to meet you.
53:37Good to meet you.
53:38Good to meet you.
53:39He was a refugee in Afghanistan by people traffickers and spent a difficult year moving through various countries before finally arriving in Austria.
53:48One day it was very easy, I could have done it.
53:52I could have had a strong fight in Turkey or in Greece.
53:56I could have had a strong fight.
54:00I could have had a strong fight, and even a strong fight.
54:05I was killed.
54:08God, God.
54:09I could have killed myself, but I could have had a strong fight.
54:17With his own eyes, oh, Allah, a great marathon.
54:32How important was your faith in your journey?
54:47He said when you're a Muslim, you're a Muslim.
54:57His belief was always the same.
55:02But some people are going to do something wrong with us,
55:06and they're going to do something wrong with us.
55:10It's a problem here.
55:12Absolutely. I'm afraid of you.
55:15I don't want to pray for prayer.
55:18But we don't want to pray for prayer.
55:21But in Afghanistan, everything is important.
55:25Wow!
55:27Here, he's free to pray or not pray.
55:30In Afghanistan, he had to pray.
55:35So then, which is faith? Which is real, you know?
55:39May I ask?
55:41What is your hope for the future? What is your dream now?
55:54Just normal things, really. Ordinary things that we all have.
55:58For now, Faisal Karim has a job locally, studies German, and spends time with the other refugees.
56:05For us, people who are fighting and would have to play.
56:09When I was at a meeting, I would set up an a meeting If I was at a meeting,
56:12I wouldn't be at a meeting or I would have to go to the meeting.
56:15Or at a meeting, like a meeting or at a meeting,
56:17and they'd be waiting for me to go to meet the meeting.
56:19If you're at a meeting, I can't take a meeting.
56:21Thank you so, so much.
56:24Thank you, Hafez.
56:26Thank you, Hafez.
56:27Thank you, right?
56:30Thank you, Hafez.
56:31Bye.
56:31Bye.
56:33On we go.
56:35Wow.
56:37Oh, my God, that was amazing.
56:39He wasn't angry at his God.
56:42Whereas I am, I am quite angry.
56:44I still feel, I don't know, it's not resentment,
56:47but just a sense of, where is Allah?
56:50Where is the justice in all of this?
56:51So I'm not, I'm not fully over it.
56:55What, what would it take for that anger to go?
56:58I've never asked myself that question.
57:01Do you think it's okay to be angry at God?
57:02What if he's okay with it?
57:04Sometimes when I'm angry at the world,
57:06I put that at God's door.
57:08Maybe I'm misplacing that anger slightly.
57:11I don't know.
57:12How can I meet someone like him
57:15and not feel the joy that he has?
57:20It's been a great walk today.
57:24Yeah.
57:25I think we're well overdue the reunion now.
57:26Definitely.
57:27Let's get the seven pilgrims back together, shall we?
57:29We need a seven.
57:30A five is nice, but we need a seven.
57:31Yeah.
57:32The brothers and sisters.
57:34We're sisters.
57:35Yeah.
57:36The pilgrims are meeting up at a well-known spot on the Camino,
57:40the Basilica in Rankvile.
57:42Oh, wow.
57:43Wow.
57:44Wow.
57:45Now that's a brave position.
57:48Here they are.
57:49Ah, you saw them.
57:50We missed you guys.
57:51Hey.
57:52Hello.
57:53Reunited.
57:54Okay.
57:55Let's roll.
57:56How was it for you lot, by the way?
57:57I didn't even ask.
57:58Very different from your experience.
57:59Oh.
58:00Which way is Switzerland, Harry?
58:01I don't know.
58:02I'll get the map out.
58:03Next time, the pilgrims go full Swiss.
58:05Look at that one's nutsack.
58:06It's the bottom nutsack.
58:07There are others.
58:08Dig deep as the weather turns.
58:09Ouch.
58:10Oh.
58:11This is definitely the hardest bit of walking that we've done.
58:12Yeah.
58:13And discover the healing waters of the abbey.
58:14It actually is delicious.
58:15More good health, please.
58:16Oh, my God.
58:17Oh, my God.
58:18Oh, my God.
58:19Oh, my God.
58:20Oh, my God.
58:21Oh, my God.
58:22Oh, my God.
58:23Oh, my God.
58:24Oh, my God.
58:25Oh, my God.
58:26Oh, my God.
58:27Oh, my God.
58:28Oh, my God.
58:29Oh, my God.
58:30Oh, my God.
58:31Oh, my God.
58:32Oh, my God.
58:33Oh, my God.
59:01Oh, my God.
59:02Oh, my God.