Chief Executive of the LGB Alliance Kate Barker has marked the "beginning of the end" of trans ideology in Britain's institutions following a landmark ruling by the Supreme Court on Wednesday.Following a challenge on the issue by For Women Scotland, Lord Hodge declared that a woman is defined in law by "biological sex".FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00Kate, we saw you outside the court yesterday celebrating.
00:03Congratulations, you've had a big part in this battle.
00:08How quickly do you expect these anomalies that we've been talking about to be resolved?
00:15And what happens if public bodies, I'm thinking of all sorts of NHS-style bodies, drag their feet?
00:22That's a question that we were discussing just before this programme.
00:26So it's brilliant news to hear about the British Transport Police.
00:30And I think this is exactly what's going to happen.
00:33Some of the things that are happening within these organisations, big institutions, particularly like the NHS,
00:39are simply indefensible in light of this very sober ruling by the Supreme Court.
00:46They were absolutely clear.
00:48They went through Equality Act line by line to defend the clarification that they were providing.
00:57And you're right as well to point out it's not a change.
00:59It's just a clarification.
01:01And for most of us, common sense, reasonable people will think, well, obviously that's the case.
01:06But there's a real cohort of people for whom a kind of a mushy understanding of what the Equality Act is proved extremely beneficial to them.
01:15And those were people who were often bad actors.
01:19And why all of our institutions, like the police and the NHS, have ended up getting behind these bad actors rather than behind women and behind same-sex attracted people,
01:30I think it's a question for another day.
01:33The capture of these organisations is so absolute.
01:36So I think it'll unwind maybe quicker than we had even hoped.
01:41Maybe we'll get everything that we wanted.
01:43Who knows?
01:44Kate, do you think – I mean, I personally feel this very strongly – do you think that women are owed an apology,
01:51certainly from many of our leading politicians, especially the female politicians, even more depressingly,
01:57for how women have been treated in this situation?
02:00Well, I think we're owed one, but I'm not holding my breath, frankly.
02:03I think what will happen is what we've seen already.
02:07People kind of pretending that they always meant that all along and that, you know,
02:11they were always in support of single-sex spaces.
02:13And I suppose of the two options, digging their heels in and refusing to go along with it,
02:18or just pretending they always thought that in the first place, I suppose the second option is better.
02:24But, yeah, there's a huge amount of anger and resentment, especially from women, people that you've mentioned,
02:31like Kathleen Stock, who is actually a trustee of LGB Alliance and I know her very well,
02:37went through a hell of a lot.
02:39And not just high-profile women who you see in the papers and you see on the telly,
02:43ordinary women all across the country who've dared to say, you know,
02:48that's a man in my changing room getting undressed and I don't like that.
02:52There's countless women who've really, really suffered through this.
02:56So I hope we don't forget those women and their efforts and their struggles,
03:00but I do think this is really the beginning of the end for this awful sort of queer LGBTQ plus inspired project,
03:10which has driven everybody to madness, frankly.
03:13Kate, I've seen you at Tory party conferences over the last few years
03:17and we've been thrilled to have you on the GB newsstand and talking to us.
03:21The Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats, as I recall, have made you much less welcome.
03:27Is that now going to change?
03:29Well, that's another question to be seen.
03:31We've applied.
03:32We've applied this year to all of the conferences, as we do every year.
03:38I did speak at the Lib Dem fringe this year, which is kind of sticking my toe in the water
03:43towards acceptability, possibly.
03:45But this is absolutely a cross-party issue.
03:52It's one for women and it's one for gay people.
03:54It's not remotely party political.
03:57And what I've seen already is some commentators who are upset about this ruling
04:02dropping in the talking point that Trump's on its way to the UK
04:08and being painted as right-wing, extreme right-wing organisations
04:13that somehow receive mysterious funding from evangelical groups in America
04:20is so insulting to so many women who work for free,
04:24you know, who've lost everything, who've sacrificed so much.
04:28And they do it because they believe in it and because of the principle.
04:31And it's absolutely appalling that we're very often smeared in this way
04:35and our organisation is smeared in that way as well.
04:38We're cross-party.
04:39We represent – we in particular represent gay people
04:42and women's groups represent women.
04:44And we're everywhere.
04:46Kate, finally, just one question.
04:48We've talked about sort of like some of the high-profile women involved
04:51getting death threats and rape threats and all sorts of horrors
04:55are threatened against them.
04:57Have you experienced anything like that since this decision was made yesterday?
05:01Has the reaction been in any way sort of like threatening to you?
05:07Do you know, it's been a little bit subdued, the reaction.
05:11And I think that's thanks to the fact that the Supreme Court judgment itself
05:16was so sober and thorough.
05:20So it's squashed a little bit of that.
05:22But I think it's still to come because people are agitating in the background.
05:27Lots of people are saying, well, we're going to ignore it anyway.
05:29We can go into female spaces if we want to.
05:32So I think there's stuff fermenting in the background.
05:36And we're still all taking it in and really absorbing what this is going to mean.
05:41So it's yet to be seen.
05:42Well, congratulations again, Kate, because I know you fought a brave battle.
05:46And I hope that we do see LGB alike at the Labour and Liberal Democrat conference.
05:50And if they don't let you in, we'll be talking about that on GB News
05:53because that's an infringement of free speech.
05:56Great to talk to you.
05:57That is Kate Barker from the LGB Alliance.