The Supreme Court's ruling on the definition of a "woman" under the Equality Act has sparked a vicious trans row, as two activists came to blows over the verdict.Following a challenge by campaign group For Women Scotland, Lord Hodge of the Supreme Court declared that the Equality Act 2010 refers to "a biological woman and sex".FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00right well it's right because everyone knows what a woman is the gender recognition act 2004
00:08invented this certificate the gender certificate and it's a legal fiction and it doesn't fit for
00:14purpose it created legal problems because it undermined the law and the equality act in fact
00:22was confusing and we saw a lot of activists and feminists were actually uh had to go to court
00:31to establish that their view that sex is real and matters in law and in life was actually
00:39a good safe thing to say and not some legal fiction so everyone knows what a woman is today
00:45is a great day and i think this is the time for this government to repeal the gender recognition
00:51act because the gender certificate has no value in law okay well should we let frida wallace come
00:59back on that frida well thanks for letting me on because it isn't often that transgender people get
01:04a voice in the media like this and it's only me that's probably mad enough to do it so hello
01:09um yeah i think this is an attack on the equality law i think it's a misogynistic
01:15force because what are we doing here we're talking about what a woman is it also affects the definition
01:19of men it affects trans men nobody's talking about that the reason people are asking what
01:24is a woman all the time and and they're reducing women's bodies to you know biology all the time and
01:29it's it's it's a reductive argument it what it does is it removes the humanity from the argument you
01:35only have to watch when somebody brings a bit of light to this argument and maybe questions the
01:39motivations of jk rowling or maya forster whoever it is they get piled on so hard on social media
01:46that it's almost unbearable so there is no balance here the the power is with those lobby
01:52groups they're not working on behalf of women we know that because women's groups don't support them
01:56the faucet society sister space they don't have anything to say about this why because they don't
02:01have time for this because they know that institutional and systemic misogyny isn't coming
02:06from trans women it's coming from you know this is why shows like adolescence are so important
02:12because they show where misogyny lives in society you know that's that's why we talk about this
02:17stuff now this affects me personally directly but you know in my social life in my general life
02:24people don't call me a woman they don't say look frida you're a woman they just treat me as a human
02:28being we don't communicate like that okay um frida we'll just leave it there for now but we'll bring
02:33you back in of course um paula do you want to respond to any of that there's quite a lot there
02:36well of course i i'm afraid the language he's using is completely wrong because
02:43can we just be respectful please i'm very i'm very respectful i've seen your youtube channel it's not
02:51very respectful i'm afraid i don't use gender language and no one can force well nobody can force
02:57you to do anything but it's politeness in social settings continue we have freedom of speech in this
03:02country paula yeah so this is freedom of speech so he's a man so uh i don't care if men use the word
03:10misogyny just out of context so misogyny is a compo and a behavior against women and women are adult
03:19human female so women who are born female it doesn't matter how much makeup you have but it doesn't
03:27matter how much plastic surgery let me speak yeah it doesn't matter how much plastic surgery it doesn't
03:33matter how your hair looks like it doesn't matter so we we we are very happy for any men to dress as
03:40they please but we don't want men to start invading our spaces and regarding to the so-called trans men
03:47that i have to explain the public to understand what it is they're women uh identifying as men no one is
03:55against them of course but they don't have the same problem and because men are not um are not uh
04:04attacked by the rights of these people as much as women are because we know that women are threatened
04:11every day by sexual abuse and so the gender recognition act through the gender certificate uh
04:17uh certificate was posing a threat to women because was creating a loophole in the law
04:24and any man any perverts any killer any pedophile any uh rapist could have just said oh i feel i'm
04:32a woman today i want a gender that's not how the law worked is it i mean we we saw that there are
04:38transgender uh people who say that they're transgender women who are ending up in male prisons certainly in
04:44england because that's how the law has been interpreted by the uh uk government the supreme court today has
04:49affirmed that interpretation of the law that's how the law has been there have been transgender women
04:55in female prisons sorry exactly emily the law has been interpreted very badly i'm afraid tom and that's
05:03why these court ruling is the phenomenal and i thank for women's copland because they pose this question
05:10this is only about power but i'm just going to interrupt just because we need to bring frida back in because
05:15um i just want to get the balance right on this uh frida come come back in what would you what would
05:19you like to say to what paula said there i think we can all fully understand there are certain
05:24situations where sex does matter in law but but the problem is she's aligning the word pedophile with me
05:29in a conversation and that is very dangerous now what i would also say is this is incremental you have
05:35to look at what is happening in america at the moment and look at the policies of trump because these are
05:39the policies of sex matters and there are no prizes for women at the end of the gender critical
05:44movement because it doesn't actually support feminism it rejects feminism and you can you
05:49can observe that in the people that support it lawrence fox was very happy about this today why is
05:54lawrence fox happy because he's a misogynist and this is where we're going with this so if you want
05:59to go down this route this do women like myself or paula have internal misogyny frida just because
06:07lawrence fox just because lawrence fox celebrates this i don't think it's funny emily i'm sorry but that's
06:13a ridiculous statement that just because someone who you believe to be misogynistic has celebrated
06:18something that therefore it's misogynistic yes but it's a pattern of misogyny that we see
06:23in look at what why does elon musk support jk rowling i don't know you'd have to ask him well
06:30because this this is the misogyny it's it's i didn't get into this by writing about trans issues i
06:35wrote about the far right i can't tell you who i work for because if i do i will get threats i will get
06:41people emailing me my to my employer to try and get me fired so i can't tell you who i research for
06:47and that is a real serious problem oh we don't want that uh paula do you want to come back
06:53of course i mean we need to protect children and women from rapists from pedophiles and this is
06:59something we have to say over and over again the gender recognition act poses a threat to women and
07:06children and young girls because any man can go into their spaces pretending they have a certificate
07:12a gender recognition certificate can i just say one thing for that yeah frida come back in just for a
07:17second i just want to say i just want to say one thing you had a long say earlier paula we're just
07:22gonna you'll come back paula i promise we'll come back to you uh we had a long thing said it was a
07:26weighty charge so let's uh let free to speak to it all i want you to do between you when this goes on to
07:31social media this goes on to x have a look at the comments under it directed at me and analyze those
07:38comments and extrapolate from that exactly what i'm talking about and you will have to this is the
07:43media you put out this is why no trans people will talk to you this is why i the only reason i'm here
07:48is because i keep banging on your door that is a good point because this ruling does say that transgender
07:54people will be protected just not with female sex-based rights paula um it is true that a lot
08:00of trans people will get a lot of hate online particularly on social media how do we protect
08:05against that does this ruling protect or help you know protect transgender people to live as they as
08:11they wish to whilst protecting female rights i mean this is ridiculous sorry i mean we're not talking
08:17about the whole the hatred and and accusation that uh feminists and women's advocates like myself get
08:23on a daily basis if they talk against the gender it goes both ways yeah but we are called nazis welcome
08:30and you know what i just victim of culture i just despise this it's not about me and you it's about
08:36protecting children and women of this country it's about protecting the ones who are most vulnerable
08:41you're not protecting anyone can you let me not protecting anyone can you let me talk see how
08:47they respect women they are always banging on being kind with them poor us poor us what about being
08:53kind with no i'm very strong and i will come to you i mean they should silence you because you can't
08:58just shut i'm not trying to silence you i'm telling you where you were wrong that's as simple as that