Former Olympian and women's rights activist Sharron Davies has hailed the Supreme Court for acknowledging "biological sex" after upholding their definition of a woman.Addressing the court today, Lord Hodge upheld the definition declared under the Equality Act 2010 - and maintained that a woman is defined biologically, not by being transgender.FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00Let's talk to the expert on this topic. It's an expert she never wanted to become, of course, but she has unwittingly become the voice on this, a former Olympic swimmer, feminist campaigner, Sharon Davis.
00:11Morning, Sharon. Now, just to explain to our viewers and our listeners how significant this ruling would be today and what it would mean for women all over the country.
00:23Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say I'm an expert. You know, there's some amazing people that have been fighting this battle for women.
00:28I mean, Scotland have been tremendous over this and sex matters. You know, you've spoken to these guys.
00:32My area of expertise is sport. What I can tell you is that if we in law turn around and say that a six pound piece of paper changes your biological sex,
00:41then women's rights will just disappear overnight. You know, decades of fighting for equality and opportunities in sport.
00:48And, you know, for lesbians to be able to meet male free, for rape crisis centres to be able to keep men out of those spaces, all of that will be gone.
00:56And it's a six pound piece of paper. I mean, it's ridiculous.
01:01And you don't even need to have any surgery, take any treatments, change your clothes, do anything.
01:08You just literally have to say that you'll feel like a woman and you're living as a woman.
01:12Well, what is living as a woman? I mean, it's a ridiculous question nowadays.
01:16You know, what we need to be doing is saying that we don't have stereotypes and that you can be a male and be as feminine as you want to be.
01:23And you can be a female and be as masculine as you want to be. But biological sex is biological sex.
01:28Professor Robert Winston was on Question Time and he said categorically as a scientist, a human being cannot change their biological sex.
01:36So I just don't understand how we can be here.
01:39And of course, if somebody has gone for the full reassignment surgery, they would argue I am now a woman.
01:47So why are they wrong, Sharon?
01:49But to get a gender recognition certificate, you don't have to do that.
01:53And that is that's it in a nutshell.
01:56And isn't it, Sharon, that you have to live as a as a as the opposite sex for a certain amount of months?
02:03But it's incredible. Two years now. So you have to say that you have to say that you've lived.
02:09You have to say that you've lived as a woman. What is living as a woman?
02:13I mean, you know, is it the fact that you put a skirt on? Is that what makes you a woman or that you put your makeup on or you grow your hair?
02:20Or what is it that makes you a woman living as a woman?
02:23And to me, I find extraordinary. And that is in a sentence to me.
02:26It's very difficult to get my head around. It's two years of saying you live as a woman.
02:31It's over 18. It's a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
02:36And it's six pounds. And that's it.
02:40And then you walk away with your certificate.
02:42And the implications of that, then, is that, say, for instance, you want to go to a women's refuge.
02:48I'm thinking of where we would find particularly vulnerable women that may not want to be around somebody that was born a male.
02:55That would allow you to have access to that.
02:57Now, what we're seeing today in the Supreme Court is if the idea that a gender recognition certificate is recognized to that degree in law,
03:07then those people will therefore be able to access those spaces.
03:11If today this is overturned as a concept or is ruled not to be legitimate, then those spaces become once again safe for biologically born women.
03:24For biological females.
03:25The same with sport.
03:26You know, in the Equality Act, there's Section 195.
03:30And that says that sport can be segregated by sex.
03:32Well, if we change the definition of sex, then we can no longer segregate sport by sex.
03:37So it will remove all protections that women have to safe spaces or fair sport or, you know, even just a biological reality, basically.
03:48I hope so.
03:49I mean, what I really want to do is to not discriminate against anybody.
03:53You know, I don't want anyone excluded from sport.
03:56I just want the biological reality of the body that you have to be, you know, it's ridiculous to turn around and say that this isn't the case.
04:04I mean, you know, as you mentioned, if someone has gone through a full medical transition, that is extremely different from somebody who literally changes nothing.
04:11But people, but males that change nothing can still get a gender recognition certificate.
04:16So this is what it's all very muddy and crazy.
04:19We just need to come up with better definitions, much clearer situation.
04:23But I cannot for the life of me will ever understand how we can move the word sex to not mean the biological sex that you are, because there are only two human sexes.
04:32You know, every scientist will tell you that a human cannot change their biological sex, no matter what surgery they have, no matter what hormones they take.
04:39And if you think about it logically as well, the moment you start taking those hormones, your body will revert back to whatever it actually is.
04:46So if a male is taking estrogen and they can't get hold of estrogen, then testosterone will take over again.