The Jeremy Kyle Show 10th February 2010
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00:01Coming up on today's show, we'll catch up with some former guests who have shocked us all with their antics
00:06She's the one who used to throw stuff at me, her and her sister, she's the one who used to abuse me
00:10She's the one that took me...
00:11Self-defence, Scott, it was self-defence
00:13All the things you used to do to me, all the things, Scott
00:17Do you see why I take my kids every week? No you don't
00:19You've not cut the kids out for what, twice in six weeks, Scott?
00:23You said, and I quote to one of my researchers,
00:25Laura isn't exactly eye candy, she is good at cooking, but she could do with a tummy tuck
00:30That's all, next
00:54Hello, good morning and welcome to the show, this is the home of the Jeremy Carr Show, this is Manchester
01:00Over the coming weeks I'll be bringing you a classic collection of some of my most memorable guests
01:10As we continue the countdown to that all-important milestone, my one-thousandth show
01:15Now today's show has some right characters we've met over the last four and a half years
01:19These people with their shocking antics, well you'll either love them or you'll loathe them
01:23And I'm not normally one who's lost for words, but this lot, well they take the proverbial biscuit
01:28Do you remember Scott who came on the show with ex-partner Louise, now this lady had an ultimatum for him
01:33She said quite simply, commit to your kids or walk away
01:36She told us, this guy wasn't really interested in his children, he seemingly was only interested in her
01:41Take a look at this
01:42Basically this guy started to control you quite early on, didn't he?
01:47Yeah, yeah
01:48Do you remember being scared quite quickly?
01:50Yeah
01:51What was the first thing that you remember that made you think, oh well done, that's not right
01:55First, when I was pregnant, when I first found out I was pregnant with my daughter
01:59He tipped hot water with wash not liquid over my head and dragged me down the stairs and kicked me up the street
02:06Did you know he was violent before you decided to have a baby with him?
02:09Yeah
02:10Why did you have one then?
02:11I wanted to change him because I thought, because he had a previous son with someone else
02:17I thought I could give him what he wanted and save him
02:20Do you know how many people at home, women watching this will absolutely identify with this and be very brave
02:24You know, I thought I could change him, I thought I would make the difference
02:27You get pregnant and the violence starts
02:30He has abused you in quite a big way, hasn't he?
02:32Yeah, yeah
02:33He's through wheelie bins at me, took my daughter away from me
02:39Through cans of Stella at my head
02:41At your head, tell us, this is dreadful
02:44You know, and just, people in the audience and at home, just take a breath on this
02:48Tell us about the Christmas tree
02:50I didn't shave under my arms
02:53I lifted my arms up and I didn't shave under my arms
02:56So, he threw a Christmas tree at me
02:58Picked up a six foot Christmas tree and threw it at her head
03:00You decided to leave?
03:02Yeah
03:03Where did you go?
03:04To a refuge with my daughter
03:06She was six month old
03:08I found out I was pregnant with my son
03:1223 weeks I was when I found out I was pregnant
03:14So, he said he promised me it all
03:16He said he'd change
03:18Because he had a son
03:20So, he then found out you were pregnant for the second time?
03:23Yeah
03:24I didn't want to keep it and he said to me
03:27If I don't keep it, then
03:30He won't see my daughter ever again
03:33Total control
03:34But I won't change my son now for the world
03:36How did you finally, when did you finally find the strength to say
03:39Do you know what, I don't need this
03:40How did that happen, that break?
03:42When he come in from work
03:45He had a bad day at work
03:46And he started ripping down
03:48Alarm
03:49And I said, what are you doing that for?
03:50And he had my daughter in my arms
03:51He took my daughter off me
03:52He threw her on the setty
03:53He started punching me in the face
03:54Kneeled on the top of me
03:56He started punching me in the face
03:58The point that needs to be made
04:00That is causing you so much hardship
04:03Because you can think about this guy
04:05Your daughter is devoted to him
04:08Yeah, very much
04:09And me daughter, it's more for me daughter
04:11Not for me son
04:12He's not bonded with me son
04:14At all
04:15I said in the introduction
04:16That for you, the problem is that he can't
04:19Find a difference between him and you
04:22And him and his children
04:23You're saying that between you and him, it's gone
04:25I mean, you're in a new relationship, aren't you?
04:27Yeah, yeah
04:28How's that?
04:29It's brilliant
04:30It is, it's brilliant
04:31My kids adore him
04:32To see my kids not have a dad
04:34But no way back for you and him?
04:36No, no way
04:41Cheeky little
04:42How dare you say I'm a bad dad
04:44How dare you say I'm a bad dad
04:45When you're a little tramp
04:46That you can't keep your knickers on
04:47You're a disgrace
04:48You are a disgrace
04:49You are a disgrace
04:50You're a disgrace
04:51You're a disgrace
04:52You're a disgrace
04:53And you're a tram, right
04:54That doesn't deserve kids
04:55And the way you're going
04:56I'll get access to them kids
04:57I'll take you to court
04:58I'll take you to court
04:59And I'll get them kids off you
05:00They're not worth you
05:01They're not worth you
05:02Sit down
05:03Why don't you sit down and have a word?
05:10If we're going to do this
05:11Don't say a word
05:12If we're going to do this
05:13Okay?
05:14Because I've heard all about you so far
05:15Have you?
05:16Quiet
05:18Be quiet
05:19Not at all
05:20Shut it
05:21You shut it
05:22Have a word
05:24If you think that talking to a woman like that
05:27Let alone I am speaking
05:29Let alone the mother of your children
05:31Is acceptable
05:32You have no right to be in a civilised society
05:35So wash your horrible little mouth out
05:37And we'll do this in a decent way
05:38Alright?
05:43Sit down
05:44Sit down
05:45She's the one that used to knock me out of me
05:47She's the one that used to throw stuff at me
05:49Her and her sister
05:50She's the one that used to abuse me
05:51She's the one that took me
05:52Self defence
05:53It was self defence
05:54What was it?
05:55How many times do you?
05:56All the things you used to do to me
05:57All the things Scott
05:58What things?
05:59In front of our kids
06:00Well are you sleeping with me?
06:01I left you Scott
06:02I left you
06:03I left you
06:04I left you
06:05I did it
06:0624 hours after when you left me
06:07So then I know
06:08I'll never go back with you
06:09You're Scott
06:10You're Scott
06:11You're Scott
06:12You're Scott
06:13You ripped me up over nine times
06:14Telling me you love me
06:15I love you
06:16I love you
06:18I love me children
06:19You're horrible
06:20If you love your children
06:21Oi
06:22Oi
06:23Oi
06:24Scott I will throw you off this damn stage
06:26Unless you sit and listen
06:27You are a loud mouth disgrace
06:29Now part your butt
06:30And keep your mouth shut a minute
06:32I'll speak when I've spoken to as well
06:33I beg your pardon?
06:34I'll speak when I've spoken to as well
06:37Yeah
06:38You're very smart aren't you?
06:39No I'm not
06:40But trust me my friend
06:41I haven't even got out of neutral yet
06:42Ok
06:43No but I'm still in reverse
06:46You're a joke
06:47You are a joke
06:48You might well
06:49Oi
06:50Be quiet
06:51Look at me
06:52Look at me
06:53The kids have wanted nothing more
06:54Than coming with their dad
06:55Instead of you having everything
06:56Tom, Dick and Harry in this street
06:58How old are your children?
06:59Two and three
07:00Two and three
07:01Well let's try and find a bit of dignity
07:02And do this correctly
07:03Yeah
07:04I'll take her to court
07:05And I'll get access to my kids
07:06How will you do that if you're a violent man?
07:07I'm not violent at all
07:08So what that means
07:10We need to answer the allegations
07:12In a decent way
07:13Let's talk about the violence
07:14Let's have a look at my criminal record
07:16In the last year then
07:17Or the last two years
07:18Have the police ever been called?
07:19Yeah
07:20I've been in a refuge twice
07:21What have you?
07:22Because you put yourself in
07:23No I was in a refuge twice
07:24Are you saying
07:25Categorically and calmly
07:26You have never ever been violent to her?
07:28I've been violent about three times
07:29In the four years we've with her
07:31Did you throw a Christmas tree at her?
07:33No
07:34You threw a Christmas tree at me
07:35Because I wouldn't shave under my arms
07:37Did you?
07:38You spit at me
07:39You dragged me down the stairs
07:40Did you spit at her in the street Scott?
07:41Spit at her in the street?
07:42Yeah
07:43You'd always spit at me
07:44You'd top me up the park
07:45To scream in the middle of the park
07:46Did you spit at her in the street Scott?
07:48He's the one that spits at me
07:49He's the one that cheated him
07:50We can stutter my glasses
07:51Then if you are in the right
07:52And she is in the wrong
07:53Stop sitting on this stage swearing
07:55And let's talk in a decent way
07:57Did you spit at her?
07:58No
07:59I spit at a woman
08:00It's just downgrading innit
08:01So why come out and use that
08:03Violent abusive language
08:04Hear me out
08:05If you are only interested in
08:06Your children
08:07Wait
08:08And she is what you say
08:09And have been saying all morning to my team
08:11She is right
08:12Why not come out and show some dignity
08:14And do that in the right way
08:15What
08:16Is your description of this lady
08:18In as decent a way as you can do it
08:20Go on
08:21She's not a fit mum
08:22She's not even fit enough to have my kids
08:23Why?
08:24Why?
08:25Why isn't she fair enough to have my kids
08:26Don't answer me with a question
08:27Answer it with some facts
08:29The kids should be living with their dad
08:30Well let's have some reason why shall we
08:32Why?
08:33Why?
08:34Because she doesn't feed them
08:35She doesn't clothe them
08:36Or because she doesn't think it's acceptable
08:37No she just pushes them round in her pram
08:38With no shoes until about 3
08:40With a pasty in the mouth
08:41And where are you?
08:43Where am I?
08:44I mean I'll be in work 7 days a week
08:45So why aren't you giving her money to buy them shoes?
08:47Why aren't I giving her the money?
08:48Because she just
08:49Every time I bought something
08:50She takes it back to Asda
08:51And gets the money back
08:52Gets the money back
08:53£2.50 a week and get off your
08:55And you're even telling me to stop giving them
08:57You give her £2.50 a week
08:58And you moan at what she's giving your children
09:00What do you do with the rest of your money?
09:02I mean?
09:03Yeah
09:04Nothing
09:05I pay me bills
09:06Don't you think it takes more than £2.50 to feed and clothe a child a week?
09:09Not really no
09:10Because I support
09:11I supply for my children what they want
09:13I give my children what they want
09:15Megan
09:16Do you think it takes
09:17No you don't
09:18I don't
09:19What do you give them then?
09:20Do you see why I take my kids every week?
09:21No you don't
09:22You took the kids out for what?
09:23Twice in six weeks Scott?
09:25Wonder what?
09:26I asked you whether you thought that £2.50 actually paid for a child to live every week
09:30No it doesn't
09:31Wonder why?
09:32But yeah you're contradicting yourself
09:33What?
09:34Why am I contradicting?
09:35It's £2.50
09:36Do you know what that means?
09:37It means you say one thing then you say the complete opposite
09:39Can you go to McDonald's for £2.50 and feed your kids?
09:41No you can't
09:42Oh my god
09:43God
09:44Come down to the real world?
09:46How do you believe Scott that your children are going to eat when you only give her
09:51I don't give her anything
09:52Not help me tell her anymore
09:54When I was working she was having £100 a week
09:56I was buying the kids clothes and stuff
09:58So you're not violent?
09:59No I'm not violent
10:00You try and provide
10:01I've provided for my children right
10:02I've got a house that I paid my mortgage on
10:04Until I lost my job
10:05And now I'm on the dole
10:08And then she walked away from all that
10:10I used to give £100 a week
10:11I used to go out buying the kids on
10:12No you didn't
10:13No you didn't
10:14You didn't give me £100 a week
10:15Let's get off the money
10:16No you didn't
10:17Let's talk about
10:18Let's forget the money
10:19Let's talk
10:20You went to answer everything I bought you you went to answer
10:22Because I was due care to ask you for money
10:25She actually came here because she said whatever he's done to me
10:30I want him to be involved in our children's lives
10:33I'm involved in our children's lives
10:34Why would you pick a child up in a house brushing past it's mother
10:37When it's got flu and take it out in the rain
10:39Did the baby have flu?
10:40Yes I told you when it comes to the door
10:42Baby's got a flu
10:43Because you've never got gas in your house for how long have you?
10:45Because you don't pay your bills
10:46Then why
10:47Then if she is so bad
10:49This is my point
10:50Why don't I go to social service and get the kids took off her?
10:52No no why don't you stop threatening
10:53Because that's what they need
10:54Why don't you provide an environment where you believe those kids would be better and healthy?
10:59Not my house
11:00So why are they not living with you then?
11:01Because she took the children away from me and she
11:03I would go for access or whatever
11:05She'd just dig her nails in and try and stop me having them
11:07How did you get on with Amanda, her sister?
11:10I don't
11:11Haven't you tried it on with her?
11:12No she's tried it on with me
11:13No she's tried it on with you
11:14Yeah?
11:16Wait till you see her
11:17Sorry?
11:18Wait till you see her
11:19I wouldn't want to try it on with her
11:20So she tried it on with you and what did she say?
11:22I said no
11:23She said no
11:24Let's get Amanda on the show ladies and gentlemen
11:30How dare you say I tried it on with you?
11:33How dare you
11:35How do you speak to her like that?
11:36Shut up and sit down
11:37How do you speak to her like that?
11:38Shut up and sit down
11:39How do you speak to her like that?
11:40That's my sister
11:41What the ****?
11:42And how can you treat the kids the way you treat them?
11:44Treat them?
11:45Who said you are
11:46I treat my **** better than you treat your kids
11:47Yeah?
11:48Do you?
11:49Yes I do
11:50Do you?
11:51That was always stopping kittens
11:52I treat my plants better than you treat your kids
11:53Yeah
11:54Your what?
11:55Plants
11:58You've only got plants growing out of your nose
12:01What the **** is Stadia?
12:02Stadia you?
12:03Where did you go last night?
12:04Where did you go?
12:05Yeah
12:06I'm an alcoholic
12:07I'm not an alcoholic
12:08Do you know your kid doesn't even want to kiss you when he stays at mine
12:11What kiss you?
12:12He's not even got a relationship with you
12:14He doesn't even want to know
12:15He doesn't even want to know
12:16Why this is
12:17Why did you take out the clinic?
12:18Why was he staying at your house last weekend?
12:20Can you ask
12:21Because the baby went to my house?
12:22Because I was looking after him
12:23Because what?
12:24You want to be a mum?
12:25He's yours
12:26He's my nephew
12:27And I've got a right to look after my nephew
12:28She was looking after him so I could go out because you don't let me out
12:31Don't let me out
12:32Because when I say to you
12:33I want to go out
12:34You say right
12:35I'm the kids
12:36It's my life
12:37I want to have a life
12:38It's my turn to have a life
12:39You're not going out
12:40You have to understand her needs and you get to see your kids
12:44She has to understand your needs
12:45That is what the mediation is about
12:47I think and I don't care whether you like this or not
12:51I think for probably the first time on this show I'm going to say something
12:54I don't think you should let him see his children unless it's in a contact centre
12:58Do you know what I think?
13:01I think that actually he'll get bored of that and he'll do one
13:04Do you know what I want to say to you?
13:06I'll tell you one thing right
13:07I will go from one end of this world to the other end of the world to see my kids
13:10And if you go to that contact centre
13:12I will go to the contact centre
13:13If you go to that contact centre
13:14Not to see that
13:15If you go to the contact centre
13:17I'll go there to see my kids to prove people like you wrong
13:19What are people like me?
13:20Watch yourself yet your face is getting very red
13:23I don't want you to implode
13:24It's getting angry now
13:26Listen
13:27If you prove that you are a dad by gay
13:29I am a dad
13:30I'm a great dad me
13:31Stop swearing
13:32I'm a boss dad
13:33I think the only person who's stopping you from being the father you say you want to be and see your kids is you
13:40Oh yeah
13:41That's what I think
13:42And I think you know that
13:43I think
13:44I think that all of this is a front
13:46Do you know what I think?
13:48I think you probably are a bully
13:49A bully?
13:50That's all
13:51Get lost
13:52Go away
13:53Just get lost
13:54Get lost
13:55Get off my stage now
13:57Why don't you?
13:58Because it is stage
13:59I'm telling you to get off the stage
14:01Can you get that in your head?
14:02Yeah
14:09I go home sometimes and people say to me
14:13You've really tried with that person
14:15I wanted him to understand that it was about the children
14:17I don't think
14:18I don't know what the audience think
14:19I don't think that you and he can and should be in a room right now
14:21I think that there's too much going on
14:23And I don't think anything will be resolved
14:25I think that this needs to be done in a proper way
14:27He has to understand
14:28That nobody is saying he's not a good dad
14:30But you're obviously scared of him
14:32He cannot keep his mouth shut
14:34And makes every accusation and criticism in the world
14:36And no kid growing up wants this mess
14:38It's not right
14:39We obviously caught up with the guys since the show
14:42To find out how they're getting on
14:43But sadly it seems that things just haven't changed
14:45Scott told me
14:46I took everything on board that was said on the show
14:48And am getting help for my drink and anger
14:50But when it comes to my children
14:51It hasn't gone as I would have wished
14:53Louise Jez was the wrong woman for me to have children with
14:55She was just a kid herself
14:56But I won't be making that mistake ever again
14:59Louise goes further
15:00She says Jez
15:01I spent six years trying to make things right with Scott
15:03But now I don't want anything more to do with him
15:05I just want him to be the best dad that he can be
15:07What was great about coming on the show though
15:09Was that it finally opened my eyes to what I want
15:11And don't want in my life
15:13Good luck to them and of course their kids
15:15And join me after the break
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15:20You said and I quote to one of my researchers
15:22Laura isn't exactly eye candy
15:23She is good at cooking
15:24But she could do with a tummy tuck
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16:03It's ITV.com forward slash Jeremy Kyle
16:06So welcome back to the latest in my collection of classic Kyles
16:15As I continue the countdown to the big one
16:17My 1000th show
16:18Today I've left the studio
16:19I'm in the heart of Manchester
16:21Home of the Jeremy Carr Show
16:22And today I'm going to be recapping
16:24Some of my most shocking stories ever
16:26Take Murray for instance
16:28Now this guy describes himself
16:29As a bit of a ladies man
16:30And locally in Hastings
16:31His hometown
16:32He's got a bit of a reputation
16:33As a celebrity
16:34Fiancee Laura though
16:35Was having absolutely none of it
16:37Take a look at this
16:38Why do you think that you're irresistible to women?
16:41Because I can make them chuckle
16:44But you're engaged?
16:46So?
16:47Okay
16:48Do you?
16:49I've laid down the rules before we started
16:51I've slept with 100 and 100 and 100 women
16:53How many?
16:54Can I just ask you about this?
16:55No I need to ask you about this
16:56No no this is serious
16:57I need to ask because
16:59At one point it was 500
17:01And this morning it was 600
17:03How many is it truthfully?
17:06Really silly
17:07I'd just go for the 500 to be honest Jess
17:09On a serious night
17:12500 women
17:13I'm 43 years old man
17:15I was fit
17:16I've had some healthcare
17:18So I'm a little bit podgy
17:19But it doesn't matter
17:20If you can still make them
17:22Make them giggle
17:23Look good
17:25You've got it
17:26You're a celebrity in Hastings
17:28Yes
17:29What does that mean?
17:30Women flock to me
17:31Yeah
17:32Why is it the bad boy reputation?
17:34Is it the sense of humour?
17:36Is it the bad boy
17:37Is it the haircut?
17:38What is it?
17:39Are you serious?
17:42What is it?
17:43Don't be cheeky
17:44It's
17:45It's
17:46It's
17:47It's everything Jess
17:48It's
17:49It's just because I'm a character
17:50I make them laugh
17:52I'm out and about
17:53I'm a character
17:54Let's talk about Laura your fiancée
17:56How long have you been engaged?
17:57I don't know
17:58I don't really know
17:59She's
18:00She's
18:01Hello
18:02How long have you been together?
18:04About three years
18:05About three years
18:06Do you love her?
18:07Do I love her?
18:08Yeah
18:09Do you love her?
18:10Do you want to spend the rest of your life with her?
18:13That's tricky
18:14I
18:15When you see her
18:16Does your heart go?
18:17Do you get butterflies in your stomach?
18:18Oh no
18:19No
18:20Is she
18:21Is she the most wonderful woman of everybody in the world?
18:24Is she the one you turn to?
18:26Well I think all women are beautiful in their own right
18:28There you go
18:29You said and I quote to one of my researchers
18:31Laura isn't exactly eye candy
18:32She is good at cooking but she could do with a tummy tuck
18:35Oh
18:40Fellas
18:41Fellas
18:42You'll know where I'm coming from
18:44There's some girls that are really good at cooking
18:46I had a beauty on
18:47I had two
18:48Both of them living with me yeah?
18:50I had two girls living with me
18:52I couldn't be bothered to go from one bedroom to the other
18:55So I made them both go in the same bedroom
18:57So Laura on a serious note
18:59One's good at cooking
19:00One must be nice to see an outward
19:01Laura on a serious note
19:03Is happy
19:04To be with somebody
19:05Who openly cheats
19:06Who can't admit that he loves her
19:08I don't cheat
19:09Have you ever cheated on her?
19:10Well you had somebody else living in the house with you
19:12Yeah but that wasn't cheating because she knew
19:14You've never slept with other people
19:16Only when she's been there
19:18So she's been there whilst you've slept with other people
19:20I'm being serious
19:21Yeah
19:22How many?
19:23How many times?
19:25Well
19:2620 times
19:27Why would she stay with you?
19:29Seriously
19:30Because I'm the boss
19:31Because you're the boss?
19:32What do you mean by that?
19:34News
19:35My lifestyle
19:36Alright Libs
19:37My lifestyle
19:39Is
19:41Has always been a gangster lifestyle
19:43I run security
19:45But she says she goes to work everyday
19:48And comes back and does everything for you
19:50Waits on your hand and foot
19:51So do you work or what?
19:52But you're not letting me finish
19:54I run security
19:55I do enforcing
19:56I do debt collecting
19:58I'm my own man
19:59I always have been
20:00That's why I'm scarred up
20:01I'm no looker
20:02I'm not saying that
20:03I'm a wobbly fella
20:04But
20:05Because of my character
20:07I run where I'm at
20:09It's not serious to you this relationship?
20:12In a way she's a good girl
20:14She looks after me very much
20:16I come in from work
20:17She's taking my boots off
20:18Foot spa
20:19Run my bath
20:20My
20:21My
20:22My
20:23My
20:24My food's on the go
20:25Does she wax you?
20:27She shaves my back sack and crack
20:30Every other night
20:32Jeremy I'm on all fours every other night
20:38Do you know what?
20:52I spend so much time trying to
20:54That's worth a lot
20:55But on a serious note
20:56Bring it back Jez
20:57She is in a serious relationship in her mind
21:00This is the point right?
21:01For you it's a bit flippant
21:03Fine
21:04But for her it's very desperate
21:05She wants kids
21:07Yeah
21:08She's set two wedding dates
21:09Without asking you
21:10And you've cancelled them
21:11Right?
21:12She's desperate to marry you
21:13She's desperate to have your kids
21:14Free
21:15Free
21:16Alright
21:17But are you not taking advantage
21:18Seriously of a woman who
21:19You know
21:20Her good nature is being abused by you
21:22Because
21:23You know what she wants
21:24And you've got everything
21:25Because you just click your fingers
21:27Yes or no?
21:29The fridge sits there to me
21:31If I want a beer of the night
21:33And I can reach it
21:35She's got to get it
21:39You can't expect
21:40You can't expect
21:41People watching this
21:42Or listening to think
21:43That you're anything more
21:44Than a male chauvinistic pig
21:45I'm not
21:46I mean come on
21:55The audience may be laughing
21:56But they're laughing at you
21:57Not with you
21:58Not with you
22:05Before I say
22:06Thank you to Murray
22:07I want you to have your say
22:08What's life like
22:09With the self-styled celebrity of Hastings?
22:11Hell
22:12Hell?
22:13Complete and utter hell
22:14He doesn't treat me as a normal human being
22:17As far as he's concerned
22:18I'm nothing better than something on the bottom of his shoe
22:21He talks to me like dirt
22:23He calls me fat ugly
22:24And he makes fun at me for not being able to have children
22:26That's correct
22:28Do you trust him?
22:30No
22:31Or women
22:33Has he slept with other women in front of you?
22:36Yes
22:38You see, the thing is
22:39Whether Murray likes this or not
22:40You set your own standards in life, right?
22:42I find it absolutely extraordinary in the year 2006
22:45That an intelligent woman can come out and sit in front of me
22:47And say a man who treats me like dirt
22:49Cheats on me
22:50I don't trust him an inch
22:52What on earth are you doing with him madam?
22:55I really don't know anymore
22:56And do you know what?
22:57And you might not like this
22:58You have no right to moan about it unless you do something about it
23:01And I'm not sticking up for him
23:02But people like him
23:03He's a chancer
23:04He's a lucky guy
23:05He's got somebody who does that
23:06Somebody who comes running
23:07You've set two wedding dates
23:09Three?
23:10Three
23:11Without even our
23:12There's been no proposal?
23:13No, he didn't know everything
23:14He actually came with me to one of them
23:16So that's wrong when he said that
23:17Oh yeah, when I got out of court, yeah
23:19But you're desperate to have a baby with him
23:22Just tell
23:23Just look at me
23:24Are you just on this mission
23:26No, I think she's on this mission to change you, mate
23:28It's my turn to speak now
23:30Oh, well
23:31Go on
23:32Why?
23:33I don't know why anymore
23:35I've just got promotion at work
23:37So I'm moving up
23:38This is why I'm here
23:40Because there's certain things that he's got to change
23:42Why didn't you tell him?
23:43Not to me, to him
23:44No, I've told you this in the past
23:46There's certain things you've got to change
23:47You've got to start speaking to me better
23:48And treating me like a normal human being
23:50I'm a person as well
23:53Are you in love with him?
23:54Yes
23:55Totally
23:56Yes
23:57So you sat back there and you watched him say
24:00Yeah
24:01Well, how are you?
24:02Degrade me
24:03No, I didn't
24:04Yes, you did
24:05No, I big you up
24:06I said you're a very sweet girl
24:07But there was too slow
24:08Oh yeah, I'm a good cook and I need a tummy tuck
24:09You said she's not exactly eye candy and she could do with a tummy tuck
24:11Yeah
24:12That's not degrading
24:13Alright
24:14You didn't say it about yourself
24:16I'm not bigging myself up, Joe, you know what I mean?
24:19We could both do with a little bit of help
24:21I think he needs a reality check
24:23He ain't gonna change, bless his heart
24:25I'm not gonna have a go at the guy
24:26Because the truth is
24:27You took him on knowing exactly what he was like
24:30And that is a point, whether you like that or not
24:32Yeah
24:33If you've suddenly changed, discovered some backbone, worked out that you want more
24:36Then it's for you to stand up and say, you know what, I've moved on from that
24:39But he ain't gonna change
24:40And there's a part of me that thinks, why should he?
24:42He should do out of respect, but he ain't going to
24:46I guess the big question is whether Murray can indeed or has changed
24:49Well, I contacted him and this is what he told me
24:51He says, in the last four years, Jez, an awful lot has happened in my life
24:54I've tried since the last show to make a conscious effort not to be such a chauvinistic pig
24:58But I couldn't have been that bad because Laura married me two years ago
25:01She must have known that she was on to a good thing
25:04He says, on a serious note, my party lifestyle caught up with me
25:07And after years of having a major drink problem
25:10I was diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver
25:12I'm glad to say that now I haven't had a drink for a year and three months
25:15And I do feel much better for it
25:17Good luck to him on a serious note
25:18I hope he can continue moving forward with his life with his new wife Laura
25:21And don't go anywhere, because after the break
25:23More amazing stories on this show
25:25We're right back
25:26You're asking Jonathan, who has already assumed the identity of a man
25:31Although gender-wise, he's still a woman
25:33Yes
25:34So psychologically, he's a man
25:36You're asking this guy to put his desires and dreams on hold for a year or two
25:42Whilst he has a baby as a woman
25:45Is that fair?
25:46No
25:47Jonathan wants to be a father
25:50Jonathan doesn't want to be a mother
25:52Big dilemma
25:53You're a father
25:54And you're about to drop a bombshell that you know will break your daughter's heart
25:58Good morning, I'm Jeremy Carl and on today's show
26:02Feuding sisters, cheating lovers and relationships at breaking point
26:06Let's do this all-important live potato results
26:21It really is time to be honest
26:23Well, well, well
26:24She said no, I haven't
26:25She was lying
26:26He said no
26:27He was telling the truth
26:29The DNA test results showed that
26:31Of course you're the child's father
26:35You're not the child's father, mate
26:36Sorry
26:37Why'd you have a one-night stand with her then?
26:38Why didn't you put something on the end of it?
26:39Why didn't you stay faithful to your girlfriend?
26:40I don't mean to be rude, darling
26:41But women like you ought to wise up and stop allowing them to procreate
26:42Get off my stage now
26:43Families and relationships should come with a warning sticker, I reckon
26:45You're standing up and you're being a parent. That's great
26:48Some advice from an old man
26:49I'm Jeremy Carl and I'll see you on the next show
27:06Hello and welcome back to my special collection of classic shows that I'll be bringing over the
27:17coming weeks as I continue the countdown to the big one, my 1,000th show. Do you remember 56-year-old
27:24Karen? She became legally female after a gender reassignment operation six months before she
27:28came on the show in 2006. Engaged to Jonathan, a pre-op transsexual 35 years her junior,
27:34her last hope of having a child was to convince him to have that baby for her before he went under
27:39the knife to become legally a male. Post-operative male to female years in your words stuck in the
27:47wrong body really feeling that you were you were different you talked to people you got to know
27:52people and you made that massive massive decision now at 56 you are very close to being the person
27:57that you've always wanted to be yes 11 months ago you got into a relationship with Jonathan and this
28:01is where we go slowly Jonathan was Claire yes for whatever reasons um Claire was struggling with
28:09her own life and decided to well firstly change her name by default to Jonathan and is at the moment
28:16making that decision and is at a crossroads if you like should I should I not have gender
28:22reassignment surgery yes it's a long road to take yeah very long road you want to be a parent don't you
28:29well I I've been a parent to six children and I think I've been a very good parent and what I mean
28:36is in an ideal world you'd like to be a mother on the birth certificate wouldn't you yes now one of the
28:41central features of this story is that you've talked to adoption agencies and you've talked to all
28:47sorts of people yes and you've decided between the two of you although again I haven't spoken to
28:52Jonathan in detail that the best way to achieve this dream is before Jonathan goes through the
28:59gender assignment treatment to have a baby as Claire no to have a but um but you know what I'm saying
29:05you don't have a baby as Claire but his name is Jonathan yeah do you think it's fair to bring a child
29:11into such now the wrong word would be confusion what I mean is isn't it about you and Jonathan
29:18finding out who you are what you are relaxing getting through it spending time together and
29:24building a life against the prejudice before you bring a child into that well I mean I I see a lot
29:29of children in a lot of sort of funny relationships and I don't think that if we had a child it would
29:39suffer a new way I mean it would be you've suffered I've suffered you've suffered prejudice you've
29:44suffered beatings you haven't left the house but any child that we had would be loved it would be
29:49wanted it would be planned and it would be protected you're asking Jonathan who has already assumed the
29:55identity of a man although gender wise he's still a woman so psychologically he's a man you're asking
30:02this guy to put his desires and dreams on hold for a year or two whilst he has a baby
30:09as a woman is that fair no Jonathan wants to be a father Jonathan doesn't want to be a mother
30:16but he's going to have to carry the baby Jonathan sees himself if he gets pregnant as being a baby
30:22carrier right um if you can understand that term of course you know I mean can you see Jonathan
30:28having the baby as Jonathan becoming maternal and wanting to return to being Claire stepping back
30:35from the surgery from the gender reassignment surgery can you see that happening I don't know
30:39would that change your relationship no so you two would live in a lesbian relationship yes the other
30:44thing of course is without being too graphic because it's early morning um this won't be your child
30:50no but nor the other six that I adopted no fair enough tell us about Sue just briefly um well
30:55I've known Sue for many many years but yeah from a distance now let's bring her on because
31:00she's a lot to say this is Sue on the Jeremy Kyle show welcome to the show thank you for coming
31:15um you have um quite a an interesting angle on this you are currently in a relationship with the
31:22pre-op female to male yes I am you have concerns about Karen and Jonathan for what reason let's let's
31:30cut to them what are they John is very young to the point of being naive to innocent um and is a
31:36wonderful guy and totally adores Karen but John Karen can sort of talk over him rather a lot and she
31:45will admit that make decisions for him I'll try not to persuasive a little bit have you persuaded
31:55him to make the decision about gender reassignment surgery no talk us through your view of the baby
32:01idea Sue I've got real concerns that I have voiced to both Karen and Jonathan which are well when
32:11initially the subject rose six to eight months ago Jonathan's reaction was no way um over the last
32:20few months Jonathan has changed his mind and gone into the thought of having a baby with Karen is he
32:27doing it because he loves Karen because he loves Karen and wants to please Karen in any way he can
32:33is that fair they've both actually admitted to me that this is done to fulfill Karen's dream
32:39welcome to the show thank you um let's talk about you you've changed your name by depot yes but let's
32:55go back 11 months because when you met Karen you were Claire yes had you already begun the process in
33:02your mind mentally of I want to do that um well funny enough there's a funny story behind this when I met Karen um
33:11I I knew there was something different about myself I wasn't comfortable um in any relationship with
33:18males or females and this was to me I felt different but I didn't know how I just I thought perhaps I'm a
33:25lesbian because I like girls did Karen's experiences as she told them to you did that unlock what you then
33:31realized you were it helped me to understand myself a lot more than I did beforehand but it hasn't it
33:39hasn't basically pressurized me into oh yeah I'm this I've got to be this I thought about I've researched
33:46about and I this is my final answer now the other thing that's important here is is gender reassignment
33:52surgery Karen's been very honest um I know you've changed your name by depot you are not though and we
33:57have to point this out 100% sure that you want the surgery are you um to be very frank um I'm not
34:04100% sure about bottom but I am completely 100% with top surgery it's in the set to me yeah um ultimately
34:17that is a life-changing decision and I am not in any way qualified or in a position to really give an
34:24opinion I listen to so I listen to Karen my only point that I would make is I don't know how one
34:30comes to the right decision at 21 but you have massive massive decisions to take massive amounts
34:38of emotions and and journeys to go through by everybody's agreement on this stage and so when you
34:47add into that equation a baby that's almost too much do you understand that um I can understand
34:56by the people's point of views yeah I can understand how they would see it in their own way but to me
35:02um me and Karen love each other and I know I'm not saying the baby had let me be I don't want to be
35:10graphic you've just said that you would be happy to have your breasts removed yeah are you happy to
35:15carry a child for nigh on 40 weeks having already if you like moved on to being a man mentally
35:24um that's my yeah I can yeah I can understand what you're saying female hormones will kick in when
35:31you get pregnant yes so how do you would how do you then ally that with Jonathan I want I'm going
35:38to be the baby carrier I don't see myself as a mother figure and if if I the female if the
35:44motherly instincts kick in as I think that's the word they will because whatever you say you will
35:50be carrying that inside and intrinsically that child and you will have a bond that is unbreakable
35:55yeah I understand that's would that be fair yeah yeah of course and this would be my fear too because
36:02as I said before your initial reaction a few months ago was no way and I understood that and you've
36:08changed that over the last six months and I respect your viewpoints we've discussed it and I respect it
36:13greatly but as I said my main concerns were I had the three main concerns a a the fact that um
36:24that the biological grandchild was an encouragement to bring you back into the family fold then the the it was
36:32to keep Karen happy or to satisfy Karen's dream of motherhood not so much your own and the third point
36:39being with the massive age gap you know I don't have a problem with that my partner's 25 years younger
36:45than me which you're aware of well aware of but at some point hopefully later rather than sooner you would
36:54become a single parent John and I don't think you're developed enough psychologically or emotionally
37:02can I jump in I want to say we're going to we're going to see this through we want to follow your
37:06journey and whatever you decide you absolutely both of you have every right to do that there is no right
37:11for anybody to sit and say all the people that have judged you and labeled you and abused you
37:16should actually be able to watch this and go we we admire the fact that these people have stood up
37:21and said this is what we are I would only say this you know Jonathan that Karen went through a massive
37:27journey a man a journey of pain of emotional torment of torture of whatever you want to say to get to
37:33where she is today you haven't yet embarked on that and it seems to me that that every part of your
37:41well every fiber in your body is going to be needed to get you through that and for the two of you to
37:47reach the end of the road and live together and I just sort of think listening to it the bringing
37:50your child into that very soon is almost too much pressure do you understand that it won't be soon
37:56because it's been um we are doing it in a logical sense we're doing it in consultation with doctors
38:02and hospitals so it's going to be a planned program I just sort of feel that you're at the beginning of
38:07an enormous journey and there's going to be enough for you to be focused on rather than bringing your
38:13child up and we've talked about the prejudice and will that child get the prejudice of course that
38:16prejudice is wrong right but don't run before you can walk almost is what I'm saying do you agree
38:22with that sir I do have every word yeah I'd like to make you an offer um you chose this show I know
38:28there have been national newspapers and other programs that have wanted you um with your agreement
38:32we'd like to be part of your journey I managed to catch up with them after an invitation arrived at
38:37my office inviting me to their wedding let's take a look at their special day
38:51do you Jonathan promise to love and respect Karen be faithful to her and always be supporting and
39:13understanding I do do do you Karen promise to love and respect Jonathan be faithful to her and always be
39:23supporting and understanding I do and Jonathan if I ask you to take Karen's ring please
39:33I'd like to place it on the relevant finger
39:35I give this ring as a sign of my love as my life partner now and for always and it is my great
39:44pleasure that I'm going to pronounce you and our civil partners together
40:05so was it a marriage made in heaven well we contacted Karen who said just sadly my marriage
40:15to Jonathan didn't work out he's moved on and it's been very hard for me coming to terms with the loss
40:20I had three and a half wonderful years with him I just wish it had been longer but we were under a lot
40:24of pressure from others which ultimately killed the relationship I don't blame John at all for the
40:28split and I will indeed love him forever we also contacted Jonathan who declined to give a
40:33statement and as ever on this show we just wish the both of them the best of luck in the future
40:37right don't go anywhere after the break more memorable guests I'm right back if I come home from the
40:42races and I've got a pocket full of money we're in for a sexy night you know if I come home and
40:46I've got empty pockets oh I've got an idea that's why we haven't had sex for the last 12 months
40:51back at some of the most memorable moments from the show in the past four and a half years maybe
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41:32Kyle welcome back to more classic Jeremy Kyle as I continue that countdown to that all-important milestone
41:42my one thousandth show now all of today's guests well I guess you'd love them or loathe them due to
41:48their antics really you might remember barry he came to the show with his long-suffering wife
41:52michelle this woman quite literally was at the end of the tether after 20 years of waiting on this
41:57man hand and foot this guy refused to work and his excuse he believes working is a form of prostitution
42:04take a look at this you don't do anything i wait on your hand and foot 24 hours a day
42:11you don't wait listen just hold on a minute none plays off the green Jeremy listen let me tell you
42:16something now women are all right when you're feeding them 50 pound notes you know that's the
42:20mouth when you're feeding them 50 pounds no just let me finish you can do listen listen they're all
42:27right when you're feeding them 50 pound notes but unfortunately now my money's run out the the key
42:33the room my money's gone listen i've kept you in luxury for years you've kept me in luxury she's
42:40had cruises she's been on cruise ships excuse me where have you got your money from to keep me in
42:44luxury i've got it to my gambling let me explain i get my listen i get my money where have you got
42:49your money from well i certainly haven't got it off you i've given you thousands you've given me
42:54you've given me high blood pressure and absolutely everything that's all you've given me
42:59listen listen you just listen to me listen listen you've kept me in luxury that's why i go to a job
43:0712 hours a day hold on hold on listen to me let me speak let me speak quiet let me speak
43:13Jeremy we're never going to get through this you're going to have to remove her very shortly i can't speak
43:17remove me remove me from the premises i can't get my side of my story over it's all one-way traffic
43:23as i said just be quiet while i'm speaking women are all right to say when you know just be careful
43:28there's only one person can speak at once you're all coming out with that i don't know where i am
43:32there's millions of voices coming out me women are all right when you're giving them money you know
43:38if i come home from the races and i've got a pocket full of money we're in for a sexy night
43:42you know if i come home and i've got empty pockets oh i've got an egg that's why we haven't had sex for
43:47the last 12 months
43:54listen all this work carry on listen michelle wants to be the star of the show she goes to work because
44:00she's a workaholic she's obsessed with the job he's killing her i'm not giving the high blood pressure
44:06she's the job she's a manager of a betty shop she's surrounded by 20 screens radiation she's on
44:12a mobile telephone five and i am can i can i interrupt now can you can i interrupt what does
44:17it say on that plasma screen over there during the cathartic with a michelle c
44:22shut up because i'm going to speak now
44:29sit back you don't take this seriously do you i'm taking it very seriously it's all
44:34life she's twisting the tail she just wants to let's just go back come on barry let's do it
44:39why have you never worked barry listen i'm not interested in work it's a legal form of prostitution
44:44people are selling the soul away for five pounds an hour gives you the money to make you think that
44:50you can be such a successful gambler because there are no successful gamblers let me tell
44:54you that that you can hold on a minute who gives you the money to gamble i've had my own money for
45:00years but unfortunately hold on no jeremy listen i've had a stash of money it comes in all sorts of
45:06dribs and drabs i've had a stash for years but unfortunately it's all gone now i've not seen the
45:09stash listen can i just say one thing why don't you come here why don't you just be
45:16non-players off the green non-players off the green please you're gonna have to remove from
45:20the premises you're gonna have to remove it from the premises seriously i can't get my tail over
45:26you're gonna be listening you'll have to be removed from the premises i can't call with all
45:30this i can't get my tail over well you know a few months later i arranged some work experience
45:36for barry at berry market what a day that turned out to be take a look at this
45:40well there's no battle for any customers different you know you're going to teach
45:46each customer on its merits some are difficult customers some are obviously no problem so
45:50obviously it's just sort of trial and error basically take each customer as it comes you
45:54know the customers will be all right with him i think as long as they can get a word in edgeways
45:59they'll be all right i keep breaking off going talking to people keep having to drag him back
46:07over and any given chance he gets he's off talking i mean my missus watch 12 hours a day and then she
46:13comes home and starts to bring another to her i was making me tea and everything so she's looking
46:17okay well but she she doesn't want me she doesn't want me in the kitchen she doesn't like me going in
46:21the kitchen you make too much mess don't make a mess yes those men do you know even if you're going
46:26back to them and all that they're toothpaste and all the things she's mourning you know
46:29daddy daddy sorry oh sorry darren i'll see you later
46:37come on you ready yeah all right back on the stove just gonna finish up here now oh sorry
46:46yeah that's fine yeah
46:47this is bloody hard work there god almighty this is better than going to the gym
46:55out of fire
46:59i'll tell you now there's some weight in here god almighty i'll tell you i'm using muscles now
47:04i'm really grinding in the grinding stores i'm pulling this this must be about the fourth of
47:09this pallet we took up you know i'm not knackered i'm saying i'm not used to it you know
47:16it's beginning to pull a little bit now darren's shouted at me i'm getting the odd here and there
47:20now it's sort of settled me in now and then i'm getting the that's fine yeah i'm getting the odd
47:26now you know um that's what you do when you start at a workplace you see they'd be gentle to you first
47:31then obviously they sort of up the tempo you know i thought it was going to be easy but as the hours are
47:37getting on now it's getting more harder you understand what i'm saying the momentum's building
47:42up and i can see i'm sweating a bit more now and the blood's circulating so the big question did i
47:49manage to get buried back on the employment ladder well certainly not from what he told me he said
47:53i've had a few jobs since i came on the show jeremy but the truth of the matter is that after the age
47:57of 25 you're on a downward slope when trying to find work nobody wants to know you're practically
48:01unemployable the problem with me was when i found a job my mouth caused me problems because
48:07i'm very opinionated you don't say barry look i wish him and his long-suffering wife the very best
48:12of luck i think she might need it we are for this morning out of time i have to tell you that what
48:16can i say about all of today's guests they've certainly been memorable some though not for
48:20always the right reasons but as ever we wish them the very best of luck and don't forget if you want
48:24to be on this show log on to the website for free it's itv.com forward slash jeremy carl i'll see you
48:29you very soon take care bye for now
48:53you
48:59you