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00:00It will be given to the learned, and then the next verse is the un-centered, so it means the silver, so whatever that silver was, it will be given to the learned, they won't be able to open it, it will be given to the illiterate, they won't be able to open it, so that obviously is a prophesying Mohammed, being illiterate, the silver being a Quran will be given to the unlearned, being illiterate, that's Mohammed was illiterate, but I'm asking from your perspective,
00:29I have no issue on this, on what it says, what it means, I'm not even interested at this moment to see, meaning, I don't even know what to make of this, because these books have been transmitted, and we have no guarantee that they have been transmitted in a preserved form, so if it agrees with the Islamic perception teaching, I would say that's fine, it's okay, if it doesn't, I will reject it, if it's neither here, neither there, I take the Islamic perception, okay, I don't say anything.
00:57Alright, so if a Muslim person says to me, Mohammed has mentioned in Isaiah 29-12, being that he received the Quran, being that he was the illiterate person, which I have heard...
01:09You discuss with them, why they say so?
01:12Because they say that that is what Islam teaches.
01:15No, where does Islam teach that Isaiah is something that is prophesied? We have no such thing in our teaching.
01:21No, no, no, this is people's interpretation by reading the text and saying, this could be referred to, just like the whole of Christian text is supposedly saying, oh, this is what says...
01:33So do you agree with that or not?
01:35As I said, as I told you already.
01:37So do you agree that Isaiah 29-12 speaks about Mohammed or not?
01:39I'll give you a good answer.
01:40If, if...
01:41You said you have no opinion.
01:43Exactly, exactly.
01:44Alright, that's what I wanted to ask.
01:46Exactly, because I am not interested, the reason why, I told you, how do we guarantee the authenticity of any of these texts?
01:54Well, I'm not, I'm asking you that particular verse, because other Muslims have said that that verse applied to Mohammed that he was illiterate.
02:04If you go to first...
02:05So you can discuss with them?
02:06It says it was given to the...
02:07Yeah.
02:08So you are actually arguing with me then when I'm not even providing a case?
02:10I'm asking you, as a Muslim, what you believe?
02:13I would say, you discuss and argue with them on the merits and...
02:19Yeah, the merits, like that was the second, like...
02:21No, no, no, on this verse, how does it really fit in?
02:24If you show them that it doesn't fit in, then they should be open up to accept that, it doesn't fit in.
02:28So...
02:29My point being...
02:30If some Muslims have said, have quoted Mohammed was spoken about in the Bible and they relate to Isaiah 29-12...
02:36You discuss with them, that's what I would say.
02:38...without quoting 29-11, then it's not right, it's not correct.
02:43Whether it's right or wrong, you have to discuss with them and demonstrate from your point of view whether this fits.
02:50This fits the description of the scripture or not.
02:52No, but obviously they're going to wiped it out.
02:53So you discuss with them.
02:54I am not the one to make this claim, so there's no one telling me...
02:57No, you're not making that claim, I'm asking you on your perspective.
02:59I know.
03:00My perspective is very clear.
03:01The scripture is such a state that we cannot guarantee its preservation.
03:05So what was the sealed book in Isaiah talking about?
03:07I have no idea, you have to ask the Jewish person perhaps.
03:10Alright.
03:11If the Jewish people believe Messiah to be God, ask them.
03:13Not ask the Christians.
03:14No, no, no, that wasn't a question.
03:15It's just...
03:16No, no.
03:17As general principle.
03:18Alright, thank you very much.
03:19General principle.
03:20Is the Messiah to be...
03:21That's alright, okay.
03:22As a general principle, do you see where the approach comes from?
03:26Do you see where the approach comes in?
03:28If you want to know what it means, go to a Jewish scholar.
03:31What do they think about this verse?
03:32I ask you as a Muslim, because other Muslims have quoted that that verse meant Muhammad when it clearly doesn't.
03:38You say it clearly doesn't.
03:39You need to discuss with them.
03:40And they will perhaps argue with you.
03:41That's why I'm discussing with you, but you have no opinion of it.
03:43But I...
03:44No, no.
03:45I am not arguing with this with you.
03:46No, you're not.
03:47The part that I will argue with you...
03:48Why aren't you?
03:49Why aren't you?
03:50Because you don't know it very well.
03:51Because I cannot establish the authenticity of any of the scripture.
03:54What's the point of arguing?
03:56I can argue with the things...
03:57If a Muslim quotes John 15, 26 or Isaiah 11 as well...
04:02Those who quote, ask them.
04:04The ones I quote is to demonstrate to them, even in their own scripture, what they have.
04:08This itself shows how the corrupt it is.
04:11That's all.
04:12I use it not to verify my scripture, but to show from their own scripture how their scripture itself is self-defeating.
04:20That's my position.