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00:00This program is brought to you by DAREGA KAITON NEN, the book that changed the world in two days.
00:17Who will be our guest today?
00:19Today's guest is a famous writer in Okayama Prefecture.
00:26I feel like I'm connected to the road.
00:28This is amazing.
00:30It was definitely a car.
00:32It's not a garage.
00:34There is a feeling of width.
00:36It's a good garage.
00:40It's like a plastic model other than a book.
00:43It's a CD.
00:45It's a nostalgic CD.
00:47It's good.
00:48It's a single CD.
00:498 cm CD.
00:50It's a 8 cm CD.
00:52It's a CD that doesn't break.
00:54I was able to put up with it without breaking it.
00:56It's nostalgic.
00:58Did you break it?
00:59Did you break it?
01:00It was piled up as it was.
01:01What are you doing?
01:03Don't make a good past.
01:05It's not a good past.
01:06I don't usually break it.
01:07No, you broke it.
01:09Did you break it?
01:10Yes, yes, yes.
01:11If you break it, you broke it.
01:13What is that?
01:14It's broken.
01:15It's broken.
01:17I don't like that.
01:18I wanted to do that as a child.
01:21I heard there's something you're into right now.
01:25It's a riddle.
01:28A riddle?
01:29I heard you like riddles.
01:32I made a good riddle.
01:34I really want you to listen to it.
01:39It's a boring book.
01:41You're into it, aren't you?
01:43Why do you want us to listen to it?
01:45Send a letter to Nezuchi.
01:48Write it with a full book.
01:50Write it with a full book.
01:52Solve it with salt.
01:54Solve it with salt.
01:56I'll buy both of your hearts.
02:03That's good.
02:05I don't have any comments from here.
02:09That's the reaction.
02:11It's good, right?
02:13It's good, right?
02:15Send it to me anytime.
02:17I won't make a corner.
02:21This week's topic is this.
02:24What is this?
02:26I was on the tuna fishing boat to pay off my debt.
02:30That's good.
02:31I like the obi.
02:32My debt is 50 million yen.
02:34Can I pay it off with tuna?
02:36That's good.
02:38I was on the tuna fishing boat to pay off my parents' debt.
02:42I was on the tuna fishing boat to pay off my debt.
02:47It's not urban legend.
02:52It's like the image of a debt collector.
02:56Do you want to ride a tuna fishing boat?
02:58It's not a drama.
03:00It's like an urban legend.
03:02It's like a job like a corpse.
03:07It's a little urban legend.
03:10I'm SEI from the tuna fishing boat.
03:12Nice to meet you.
03:13SEI?
03:15SEI from HIKUCHI SEIICHI?
03:17That's right.
03:19You didn't come here to ride a tuna fishing boat, did you?
03:21I didn't come here to ride a tuna fishing boat.
03:23I came here to pay off my debt.
03:25What do you do?
03:27I'm doing business as a freelancer.
03:31Business as a freelancer?
03:33It's a business as a freelancer.
03:36I make a phone call.
03:38I make a phone call.
03:45I won't ask you any more questions.
03:49I won't ask you any more questions.
03:51I don't know anything.
03:53I'm doing a good job.
03:57Why did you write this book?
04:01I was talking about riding a tuna fishing boat on YouTube.
04:09Then, I got a DM from Shinya Kusaka, the producer of URA SOCIETY JOURNEY.
04:17He asked me to appear on his show.
04:20So I appeared on his show.
04:23When I thought it was over, he asked me to write a book.
04:26It became a hot topic.
04:28So I wrote a book.
04:31How long ago did you start riding a tuna fishing boat?
04:35I started riding a tuna fishing boat when I was 17 years old.
04:38What about high school?
04:39I dropped out of high school.
04:40For that reason?
04:42For that reason, I did a lot of bad things.
04:49I had a lot of bad seniors.
04:50You feel like you're a newbie now.
04:52It's not like that.
04:53I was in a bad place.
04:56When I was young, my father told me to stop doing bad things.
05:02He told me to work.
05:04So I worked.
05:05I was wondering if I had a job.
05:08So I decided to ride a tuna fishing boat.
05:10Did your father tell you to do that?
05:12My father?
05:13My father sold me.
05:16Are you from Minato-machi?
05:20Yes, I'm from Minato-machi.
05:21But it's not the port of a tuna fishing boat.
05:25I had a relative who was riding a tuna fishing boat.
05:29Was he also a bad person?
05:33He was riding a tuna fishing boat for a long time.
05:37He was the chief of the country.
05:40My father told me to ride with him.
05:43I thought he was just a fisherman.
05:46He was fishing for fish.
05:50I thought he was just a fisherman.
05:51But he was completely different.
05:54He couldn't come back.
05:55How long couldn't he come back?
05:57He couldn't come back for a month.
05:59Was that the first time?
06:00Yes, it was the first time.
06:02Are there any people around the same age as him?
06:05I don't think so.
06:07I think it's about 30 to 60 years old.
06:12Do people with debt ride a tuna fishing boat?
06:17I don't know.
06:19Don't they pull you?
06:20No, they don't.
06:21That's scary.
06:23Oh, I see.
06:24I don't think I should ask.
06:28I don't know.
06:29Do people pull you?
06:31There are people like that.
06:33But there are also people who ride a tuna fishing boat.
06:39The chief of the country rides a tuna fishing boat.
06:44Do they all eat together?
06:48That's right.
06:49How long does it take to complete the work?
06:53A month's worth of work is completed in 2 to 3 days.
07:00It's close to the sea level.
07:03Even though it's close to the sea level, you ride a boat for 2 to 3 days?
07:08Yes, I do.
07:10But it's only for 2 to 3 days.
07:12That's your feeling.
07:14It's the feeling of the person who did it.
07:162 to 3 days is too short.
07:18How do you spend those 2 to 3 days?
07:19I don't do anything for those 2 to 3 days.
07:21You just sleep?
07:22I sleep.
07:24I was a newbie, so I didn't have a radio or anything.
07:28I didn't bring anything.
07:29People who are used to it will bring it.
07:30People who are used to it will bring videos, radio, and books.
07:38I sleep and watch movies.
07:41When you arrive at that place, it's pretty hell from there, right?
07:46That's right.
07:47What do you do?
07:48At first, I can't do anything.
07:52I just watch and help out.
07:56I'm not told to do this or that.
07:58You're not told?
07:59I'm not told.
08:00But the waves come.
08:02That's scary.
08:03I bring a big shark.
08:05I don't know what to do.
08:07I can't stand up straight.
08:08I get seasick.
08:10Then I get scolded.
08:12Like, you're in my way.
08:14You're in my way.
08:16So this is how you do it.
08:18Yes.
08:19Is this the board?
08:21This is the second half.
08:22The second half.
08:23The second half.
08:24How do you do this?
08:25The second half is like a manager.
08:29Do you take care of everything?
08:31I'm like a manager.
08:33I take care of everything.
08:35And you're under that?
08:37That's right.
08:38Mr. Sei is a junior.
08:39That's right.
08:41By the way, the salary is...
08:44Mr. Sendou is the highest.
08:47Of course.
08:48What happens next?
08:50If it's the manager,
08:52if it's one person per person,
08:54it's like 1.7.
08:58So if the second half is 10,000 yen,
09:03the manager is like 17,000 yen.
09:06That's right.
09:09Are there a lot of mischievous people?
09:13It's not that there are a lot of people,
09:15but sometimes there are people who are ex-yakuza.
09:18There are people like that.
09:20In our image,
09:22the debt collector says,
09:23you can ride the tuna boat.
09:26Is there a connection between the debt collector
09:29and the tuna boat?
09:32I think there is.
09:34I knew it.
09:35About 40 years ago,
09:37people went to the tuna boat to earn money,
09:39so they shared the money.
09:40They used the money to buy drinks and accessories.
09:43And the yakuza will pay the debt.
09:46So they ride the tuna boat and say,
09:48I'll pay you back.
09:50They ride the tuna boat,
09:51and the yakuza will suck up all the salary.
09:54The yakuza knows all that.
09:58I see.
09:59So it's been like that for a long time.
10:01It's history.
10:03It's just that they're paying back the money.
10:05There's a story behind it.
10:07It's been around for 40 years.
10:10It's like a tuna herd.
10:12It's an actor.
10:14How long does it take?
10:16I went for a year.
10:18A year.
10:20Of course, you can't come back for a year,
10:23but don't you stay on the sea all the time?
10:25I stay on the sea all the time.
10:27What about the port?
10:28I go to the port twice.
10:31I go to Hawaii.
10:33It's like a reward.
10:35It's to replenish oil.
10:37You have to replenish oil.
10:39I go to Hawaii.
10:40That's only twice.
10:41You can't go in until then?
10:43I can't go in.
10:45All the food comes by boat from Peru.
10:50The tanker comes.
10:51Oh, on the sea?
10:53It's like a piece of land.
10:55All the supplies come by boat.
10:57From Peru,
10:59you can get our drinks and small things.
11:02You can get vegetables that we don't have anymore.
11:06Do you have a little break in Hawaii?
11:10If you go to Hawaii, it's one night.
11:12One night.
11:13In Hawaii.
11:14What a waste.
11:15When you go to Hawaii,
11:17there's a local organization.
11:19Aishuun comes.
11:23It's a Taiwanese organization.
11:26They take you there.
11:28You can get pocket money from the tanker.
11:31I think it was $300.
11:33You can play with it?
11:34You can play with it.
11:35Is it like a bonus?
11:37No, I get deducted.
11:39What?
11:40From my salary?
11:41No, it's not like that.
11:43But the organization and the tuna boat
11:45are like a partnership, right?
11:47That's right.
11:48Wow, that's how it is.
11:50So you don't get in the way.
11:52If you attend,
11:54you get a good one.
11:57You get a bonus.
11:59How about you, Sei?
12:02I was 17 years old.
12:04I see.
12:05That's hard.
12:06But I got a bonus from an old lady.
12:09She said,
12:10you're going to my house with me.
12:13Why?
12:14I said, I don't want to.
12:16Old lady, don't be like that.
12:18It's a good break.
12:19She took me there.
12:22It was in the city of Hawaii.
12:24By car.
12:25I thought I was going to get killed by the mafia.
12:28It was scary.
12:29It was really scary.
12:31She asked me to go back to the boat.
12:34She asked me if I really wanted to go back to the boat.
12:38What did you do?
12:40Did you play?
12:41I couldn't.
12:42I couldn't.
12:43She took me sightseeing.
12:45To an old lady?
12:46She's like a relative.
12:48You went sightseeing.
12:49I went sightseeing.
12:52Like Ara Moana Shopping Center.
12:54Yakiniku restaurant.
12:56She took me to a lot of places.
12:58It was really good.
13:04Did you actually make a lot of money?
13:07I used to make a lot of money.
13:10But when I was on the boat,
13:12I didn't make that much.
13:14Is this a sudden death?
13:15Yes.
13:16880,000 yen?
13:19It was the first time I made that much money.
13:22In a month?
13:23Isn't that cheap?
13:25I made 13,740,000 yen.
13:30You don't drink alcohol.
13:32You don't drink alcohol.
13:33You don't drink alcohol.
13:34You don't drink alcohol.
13:35I think I had about 220,000 yen.
13:39Then I got a deposit.
13:42I spent 100,000 yen on cigarettes, food, clothes, and clothes.
13:46I spent 100,000 yen on cigarettes, food, clothes, and clothes.
13:48I was also pulled by the bank.
13:51And I couldn't work because I was in the 8th division.
13:55I didn't get a single person.
13:57I was pulled by 20%.
13:580.8%?
13:59Yes, 0.8%.
14:00That's amazing.
14:01That's pretty bad.
14:03Isn't this a yakuza?
14:05That's right.
14:07I don't know what to do when I'm doing this by hand.
14:12It's been a long time.
14:14I think it's up to the other party.
14:17740,000 yen.
14:18Isn't this 10 months?
14:20740,000 yen in 10 months?
14:22Isn't it too cheap?
14:23I pay 1.5 million yen every month.
14:27So it's about 1.8 million yen.
14:31Is this a plus?
14:32That's right.
14:33But it's about 2.5 million yen.
14:37I thought it was a little more profitable.
14:39It's more than a normal salary.
14:41It's about 500,000 yen including prepaid 200,000 yen, medical insurance, and short-term expenses.
14:5410 months and 1 year.
14:56Mizuage-kun, 200,000,000 yen?
14:58It's about 900,000,000 yen.
15:01So this salary changes depending on the Mizuage-kun, right?
15:04That's right.
15:06So it's like dividing the mountain, right?
15:10That's right.
15:11You're a pirate.
15:15The shark fin price is also about 300,000 yen.
15:18Shark fin price?
15:19If you buy a shark fin, you can make a shark fin soup.
15:22If you sell that fin, you can get all the fins.
15:26If you sell that, you can get another 300,000 yen.
15:29I didn't know that.
15:31But it's not dangerous, is it?
15:34No, it's not.
15:36I see.
15:37It used to be about 700,000,000 yen.
15:39But now it's over 200,000,000 yen.
15:43So when they said the shark fin would make a lot of money, it used to be about 700,000,000 yen.
15:49About 30 years ago, it was 200,000,000 yen.
15:52300,000,000 yen.
15:54If it's 300,000,000 yen, it means you can buy a shark fin soup.
15:59I see.
16:00Even if it's like this, it's useless.
16:03It's calculated.
16:04You can buy it with that calculation.
16:06It's calculated to be 3.63 million yen.
16:11It may be less than that.
16:14It may be less than that.
16:16I don't think so.
16:17I felt like I could pay off my debt if I went to tuna fishing.
16:22You can work even if you don't want to.
16:25That's right.
16:27What are the other advantages?
16:29The advantage is that you don't have to spend money.
16:32It's on a ship that sailors can't use.
16:36Is that all?
16:37That's all.
16:42Don't you want to go anymore?
16:44I don't want to go.
16:46I haven't been in my dreams lately, but I've been in my dreams for decades.
16:51It's hard.
16:52I can't escape because I only dream of getting on and off the ship.
16:57Have you ever dreamed of Hawaii?
16:59No, I haven't.
17:01Some people get sick on the ship, right?
17:05Some people get sick, but there aren't many viruses on the sea, right?
17:11There aren't many people who get sick.
17:14It's because there's no air.
17:16It's because there's no weird bacteria in the sea.
17:18There's no wind.
17:20Some people get injured, but they often get injured.
17:24For example, they were stabbed.
17:27There aren't many people who were swallowed up by the waves.
17:30I've never experienced it on a ship, but I've heard that 7 people were washed away in Cape Town.
17:34I've heard that.
17:36They didn't come back.
17:37Yes.
17:38In the end, I had to pay back my parents' debt of 50 million yen.
17:40Were you able to pay it back?
17:42I couldn't pay it back at all.
17:43That's right. It's impossible.
17:45I asked my parents.
17:47I didn't know much about money.
17:49I was 17 years old, and I left everything to my mother.
17:53I asked my parents what happened to my debt of 100 million yen.
17:55They told me that I was using it as a living expense.
17:59So you paid 1.5 million yen in 10 months, but it was all a living expense.
18:04That's right.
18:05I asked my parents if they hadn't paid it back, but they said they hadn't.
18:08That's amazing.
18:09People who used to be a bad person were able to forgive you for that, right?
18:13It's not like that for my parents.
18:15My parents were happy that I was able to go to high school.
18:21You've been doing it for three years.
18:24That's right.
18:25You've been doing it for three years.
18:27By the way, when do you do G-Koi?
18:30What?
18:31G-Koi?
18:32When do you do G-Koi?
18:33G-Koi...
18:34I don't know.
18:35What if you've been doing it for 10 months?
18:36There's an old man who's like a video collector.
18:40There were a lot of videos at the time.
18:43Did you bring them to Sendai?
18:44Yes.
18:45All of them were unmodified blondes.
18:49I called it Tonton.
18:51Second...
18:53What do you mean by second?
18:55Is it a nickname?
18:56It's a nickname.
18:57It's like a codename.
18:58What?
18:59It's a double-decker train.
19:00Oh, I see.
19:01It's a double-decker train.
19:02It's a suspicious old man.
19:04I can't work.
19:06But I only brought it to Sendai.
19:09You borrowed Tonton from there.
19:12When I asked if I could borrow it,
19:14he said it was good.
19:16So I said, okay, I'll borrow it.
19:18Did you borrow it for free?
19:20I didn't pay for the rental fee.
19:22You didn't pay for the rental fee.
19:23I didn't pay for the rental fee.
19:24You didn't pay for the rental fee.
19:25Do you have a TV?
19:26Do you have a video?
19:27There was a small TV like this.
19:30The one you can put in your bed at the time.
19:32I put it side by side with the video.
19:34I watch it while sleeping with headphones on.
19:36Does that mean you bring a deck?
19:38I bring a deck.
19:42It's bigger than the TV.
19:43It's bigger than the TV.
19:44What's the TV like?
19:45The TV is like this.
19:49Everyone is like this.
19:50Well, that can't be helped.
19:52It doesn't fit.
19:53I can't see it even if it's not fixed.
19:56It's automatic.
20:01Lastly, what do you want to say in this book?
20:04Well, I think there are people who are suffering from work.
20:11It's hard.
20:12It's hard to do this kind of work.
20:15But if you look at this book,
20:17I think it would be nice if you could think that there is such a hard job.
20:23Young people in Reiwa are very positive.
20:26There aren't many people who chase their dreams.
20:29They talk about power and sex right away.
20:32It's important to have a physical fitness account for those people.
20:36This is too much of a physical fitness account.
20:38It's like you're paying for your power.
20:41It's like I'm paying for my power.
20:42Sometimes.
20:43Sometimes.
20:44I think it will lead me in the right direction.
20:47That's what I think.
20:49So, you want to say that you're glad you got on board, right?
20:52That's right.
20:53Because I've had that experience.
20:58This book is the second collection.
21:02It's irreplaceable.
21:04This book will let you know what's inside.
21:07That's right.
21:10Read this and get on the tuna fishing boat.
21:12When you finish reading it, you can buy it on a ship in Peru.
21:16Will you buy it for me?
21:18I'll give you water.
21:19I'll give you water.
21:20I'll give you water.
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