The Government is reviewing how illegal migrants use the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) to block deportations.
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper is looking at how courts apply Article 8, which protects the right to family life, to ensure it’s interpreted fairly. She’s also studying tougher approaches used in countries like Denmark.
New laws or guidance could be announced in an immigration White Paper this spring or summer.
It follows reports of foreign criminals avoiding deportation by citing Article 8, including an Albanian criminal and a Pakistani paedophile.
Alex Phillips speaks with broadcaster Duncan Barkes and caller Jane in West Yorkshire.
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Home Secretary Yvette Cooper is looking at how courts apply Article 8, which protects the right to family life, to ensure it’s interpreted fairly. She’s also studying tougher approaches used in countries like Denmark.
New laws or guidance could be announced in an immigration White Paper this spring or summer.
It follows reports of foreign criminals avoiding deportation by citing Article 8, including an Albanian criminal and a Pakistani paedophile.
Alex Phillips speaks with broadcaster Duncan Barkes and caller Jane in West Yorkshire.
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00:00I kind of think when it comes to the migration debate, when you've got 50,000-odd people
00:04who come over, scattered around communities they integrate, when it's 100,000, well, they're
00:09starting to sort of make little communities within themselves. When it's a million, then
00:14they can just be a sort of little self-serving blob in the middle. You throw into that this
00:20sort of mad critical race theory, which has told everyone that white people are evil and
00:25you're the victim. You then throw into that social media, which forces people to not just
00:31live in their sort of algorithm-driven silos, but to amplify this need to be part of a tribe.
00:37Because all of a sudden, you're not just from Coventry or from Warwickshire or from Britain,
00:43you're from the whole world. And what do you identify as? Who are your people? What's your
00:47clan? And I think that's the thing with so-called multiculturalism or immigration. It's like
00:53Hooke's law of elasticity. When it's a certain amount, it works. When you push it to it being
00:58a nation split one-third, one-third, one-third, you then end up, you know, with sort of, you
01:03know, mad civil wars, basically, because humans are tribal animals. They're not made. They're
01:08made to trade. They're made to interact. They're not made to sort of all rub along with all
01:13these different languages and religions. Shall we speak to Jane, who's in West Yorkshire?
01:17Hello there, Jane.
01:18Good morning.
01:19Thank you for your patience. We've had you waiting for a long time, haven't we?
01:23So thank you so much for holding on for us, Jane.
01:26No, I want to say good morning to you and good morning to Duncan, because a lot of people
01:30that come on don't always say good morning to the guest.
01:34Oh, that's very nice.
01:35Morning, Jane. Thank you.
01:36I find that quite rude.
01:37It is.
01:38The reason that I've rung in is because I work with homelessness for a local authority.
01:46And the little story that I've got to tell is that I was asked to phone somebody to assess
01:52homelessness. And the first thing he said when he came on the phone was, I don't speak
01:59English. But in his attachments, he's got a full driver's license when you've got to
02:05do a written test. So he said, can you speak to my friend? So the friend came and I said,
02:12before we go any further, can you just explain how he's got a full driver's license if he
02:19I said, because I'm going to have to report it to the DDLA. And he snatched the phone
02:24off her. He called me every expletive that you can imagine. And I said, well, why have
02:30you said that you don't speak English? He said, because if you say you don't speak English,
02:34you get a better service.
02:37That's astonishing.
02:40I've got a hundred stories. I could take up the rest of your...
02:45Well, Jane, I love a good story. I had a guest on my show yesterday. I think it was called
02:49Andrew. But he gave me the most remarkable story I've ever heard. This beggars belief.
02:55I think I heard that.
02:57Right. OK. So you remember. If people weren't tuned in yesterday, it is worth repeating,
03:01isn't it, Jane? Because I actually was agog. So he said that a doctor had told him that
03:07when it comes to disability benefits, there are people who've gone through cancer treatments
03:11and things like that, who've had to have, you know, costumey bags and so on and so forth.
03:16And when you have that, you're entitled to some sort of living allowance. And then after
03:21a period of time, it runs out. And there are people who've had genuine suffering and then
03:26they've come off the disability benefits. But word has got around as part of a life
03:30hack for people gaming the system. And he was saying, particularly with migrant communities,
03:35that if you have incontinence, you get disability benefits. And people are going into GP services.
03:41And deliberately soiling themselves, going into the doctor's clinic and deliberately
03:48soiling themselves in order to say they've got bladder issues, they can't leave the
03:53house to get the doctor's note to get the benefits. That's mad.
03:57It is mad. And it does make you wonder how we've ended up in a climate like that.
04:03Let's work back on that for a second. I mean, that is a fascinating story to hear,
04:08that people know the system so well that they just go, well, actually, what we're going
04:13to do is we, myself, will do something else because that way I get a few extra quid a
04:17week. How have we ended up in that situation?
04:20And where is the dignity in going into a doctor's office and sort of building up your supplies
04:26and letting it all out in order to then live for free off the country you're in? It's vile.
04:31It is vile. And it comes back to, again, what I've been saying this morning, which is we
04:35have been far too tolerant and too fair. And it's coming back to bite us on the backside.
04:41And I also think, just going back on the point that you made earlier about this lack of integration
04:46of future generations, et cetera, I do think, as well as accepting that under the Blair
04:51Brown government, any criticism or even raising any concern of people who come to this country
04:57to live as branded as automatically racist and a terrible person, we do have an education
05:02system that fundamentally has made it quite clear to generations coming through that,
05:11oh, well, we shouldn't be too proud of our past because we did this and we did that.
05:15And you roll that into it as well. You have this idea which is, oh, this country isn't
05:19everything. This country isn't that great. I don't think I like living here. I'll take
05:23the money. But actually, what a really unpleasant group of people you are.
05:26It's almost as if it's designed by someone who's decided, you know what, the West has
05:30been in control for way too long. And it's time to change the balance.
05:34Alex, can I say one last thing before I go? Because I know that they'll cut me off in a minute.
05:38No, they won't. No, no. I decide. I decide when we're going to break Jane. So you carry on.
05:44So the other thing that I get a lot of people, they've got a positive decision. And one guy
05:50said to me the other week, you surely can't expect me to pay, apply for rent and have
05:56to buy my own food. And I wanted to say really wrongly, which I didn't, I held my tongue.
06:04Welcome to the UK. So where was this guy from who said, why should I pay rent and buy food?
06:11Because he'd been in a hotel. He's a migrant? Yes. I want to ask you something, Jane.
06:18Dealing with homelessness, how many people who come and say they're homeless are born here?
06:25Right. So what I'm going to say is, Jane's not my proper name, by the way.
06:31That's all right. You don't have to tell us that. We'll call you Jane. Jane Doe is fine by us.
06:35My very good colleague that I've worked with for 20 years has said, I feel like we're in a
06:44refugee service, not a homeless service anymore. He said every other person is demanding an
06:50interpreter. I don't accept that. I just think if you've been here for 10 years, you do not speak English.
06:59But also, I'm sorry, it's not our job to give you a blimmin' house. You've got relatives back from whence you came.
07:06I mean, it's not our job to accept everybody from around the world and give them a house.
07:12That's mad. And especially during Covid, I remember because of public health, all of a sudden,
07:18our own people who were homeless, you know, our veterans and people like that.
07:22And yes, people with drug issues and people who have really sort of, you know, fallen off the wagon and need specialist care.
07:28They were all suddenly put in hotels because we were worried about Covid spreading.
07:32Then they're told, get out, sleep in a bus shelter again. Absolutely.
07:37And the migrants are given the hotels. I mean, what is that about?
07:42It infuriates me. I've done it for 20 years and there used to be hostels, there used to be places that you could refer to.
07:52They've all gone. And I'm going to end. I always think you should end on a light note.
07:58So I'm going to tell you, I went to my local Tesco's and this guy just went, Jill, is that you?
08:05Sorry, I've just given away my name. But anyway, Jane, is that you? Jane, is that you?
08:10And I went, oh, my goodness. And he said, thanks to you, I've turned my life around.
08:17He said, I've got two jobs. I've got a house. I'm not going to lose it.
08:22I'm not going back into prison because I worked in the prisons. I worked at Armley.
08:27And he just said, you, you were just always, you never judged me.
08:34And I thought, my goodness, what a lovely, I could be quite a bit choked up now, but it just made me think my job is worth something.
08:45And it's important that we have Janes in this world to look after our own, because a civilised society does that.
08:52It looks after people who might have messed up, but they might have come from extremely complex backgrounds.
08:58That we provide rehabilitation. So when people might have been in prison, they can't stay in there forever.
09:04They come out and they become productive members of society in a civilised society does that.
09:08The problem is we're starting to fail doing that because we're just importing the problems from other countries.
09:16And that that I find worrying. I think that's a fair comment.
09:20I mean, I think that the biggest deterrent we had on the blocks that never really got up and running as a result of the election and the new government was the Rwanda policy.
09:31I'm absolutely convinced if you have a deterrent in place, which is you come to this country illegally, so we're talking about illegal immigration.
09:39You know, you get on a boat, you come over the channel and you rock up in Dover or whatever.
09:44You come here illegally and you chuck your passport in the water so we don't know who you are on your mobile phones.
09:50Everything goes in the water. Right. If you come into this country illegally, you get taken to somewhere like Rwanda and you get processed.
09:57And I genuinely believe the absence of a deterrent like that.
10:01And I accept some people might go over the detail and say, well, there's a flaw with this, a flaw with that.
10:05We'll just see what Jane has outlined in terms of people that she's having to deal with.
10:10You go, well, I have to pay for my own rent and my own food when I'm in your country.
10:14It's only going to get worse because there is no decent deterrent.