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00:00I can't get over how strange it is, and it's nothing more than that.
00:04This isn't a larger criticism on Devers.
00:06It's just odd that Tom Caron asked a question in English.
00:09He answers it immediately in Spanish.
00:12Then the translator translates the answer, which you and I both have the same suspicion.
00:17The guy's not really answering and translating what Devers is saying.
00:22I'll give you another example coming up where he catches himself in the middle of answering
00:26it and changes it on the fly.
00:28The whole thing yesterday was odd.
00:30The whole situation with Devers, Bregman, and the Red Sox is odd, and I don't like the
00:35smell of the whole thing, Keith.
00:36I don't.
00:37No, it is bad.
00:38It's been a rough off-season or pre-season, whatever you want to call it, for Rafael Devers.
00:44This should be a great time for the Red Sox.
00:46They actually added to the roster.
00:48This player in particular was bitching about it a year ago through his interpreter.
00:52Get us players.
00:53Get us players.
00:54Get us talent.
00:55They got you players, and now you're pissed about it.
00:57And now this whole third base thing.
00:59But then what's making it even worse is he's not ready to go, and they keep pushing his
01:03start time back.
01:05So it's hard for you to complain about where you play when you can't even play.
01:11And the team is in a better spot.
01:13The team is better with Bregman than without Bregman.
01:16And yet Devers, who has this massive contract, really the only significant contract, like
01:21Bregman makes a lot for this year.
01:23Yeah, yeah.
01:24But it's short term.
01:25It's a $300 million deal.
01:26It's short term.
01:27And $120 million in Major League Baseball really is, 40 AAV is a lot, but $120 million
01:32compared to the contract Devers has, I agree with you.
01:35He's the only one making significant money.
01:37The expectations on this team are up.
01:39The excitement level is up.
01:41How everybody feels about the players on the team, up with the exception of Devers.
01:47I feel like Devers is the one guy that is pulling it down.
01:50So give me more here yesterday.
01:52You're going to hear the translator.
01:54So again, you'll hear more questions in English, Devers answers in Spanish, the translator
01:58jumps in and like corrects himself on the fly, which I find to be the oddest thing in
02:04this whole exchange.
02:05So here's more.
02:06You said you made it clear to them how you feel.
02:09If they say, okay, we understand that, but we'd like you to be the DH, is that, can that
02:13be, can that work?
02:14First of all, stop.
02:15He's laughing.
02:16He's like giggling.
02:17Like the translators, like giggling, like Devers is saying something funny and I know
02:25he's kind of repeating himself and saying the same thing over and over again.
02:28So maybe Devers is like, what's wrong with these guys asking the same question.
02:30Maybe it's just like an uncomfortable laugh, maybe, but he's like, he's like giggling,
02:35which is also adding to the weirdness of it all.
02:37Yeah.
02:38Like I said, like I've been saying, um, it's something that I spoke about in private and
02:42I'm not going to share here.
02:45The opener is two weeks from today.
02:47If you are the DH instead of the third baseman in Texas, how will you feel?
02:51Yeah, good.
02:52Um, at the end of the day, it's not my decision and I don't call the shots around here.
03:07Uh, so yeah, I feel good.
03:10I'll go out there and do, do what I need to do.
03:14Okay.
03:15So I, I think some of the corrections in the middle of the answer and maybe it was in the
03:18first one.
03:19Maybe I, maybe I misspoke.
03:20Maybe it was in his first exchange there where he kind of like caught himself and he's like,
03:23ah, I mean the whole thing was awkward yesterday, strange.
03:27And when Devers says I'm going to keep it in private, he didn't before.
03:31What does that mean?
03:32You were asked a couple of weeks ago, will you move positions?
03:34You said no.
03:35It was like the biggest story in baseball for a couple of days.
03:38And that was, that was the headline and everything else.
03:40So that wasn't private.
03:43So yeah, I mean he's sort of giving you a more politically correct answer, I guess here.
03:48This is more of the, I'll do what's best for the team type of answer that maybe many people
03:51anticipated a couple of weeks back.
03:54He's sort of now, maybe after hearing all the criticism, maybe after further comments
03:57and maybe also knowing that he can't play right now.
04:01So cause he's asked about like, how would you feel about being the DH that might be
04:05out of his control?
04:06What if he can't play in the field right away?
04:09He's DH before, right?
04:10Like coming off of injuries or like just sort of give him a break with his nagging shoulder
04:14injuries and things like that throughout the year.
04:16It wouldn't be his first game ever DHing.
04:18And so now he's talking about like, yeah, it's not, it's not up to me.
04:21Yeah.
04:22But the question is like, how would you feel?
04:24You answered it before truthfully and maybe he didn't, you know, he got the backlash that
04:28he got for, for being truthful.
04:30He's decided to change his answer.
04:32So to me, I'm not going to share what we talked about here.
04:37Just because, uh, it would, it would make me, uh, come off, uh, you know, those are
04:43private conversations.
04:45So that was the one.
04:46So that was in the first exchange.
04:47I misspoke.
04:48Yeah.
04:49But he's like, I make me come off.
04:50I'll give it to myself too late, too late.
04:52How, how you come off, right?
04:53People are not huge fans of you right now.
04:54Now this can all get solved.
04:56If he goes out there and hits six home runs in April as the DH, people will forget about
05:02it and the team's winning.
05:03People forget about it.
05:04But the backdrop to yesterday and the exchange is that prior to all of this, he took Walker
05:08Buehler deep and so he like smoked one off Walker Buehler yesterday.
05:12So maybe he's feeling himself a little bit.
05:13I have no idea, but you wonder what he's talking about.
05:18I'm going to keep some of this to myself because you're right, Keith, he didn't keep it to
05:20himself earlier.
05:21He said, no, I'm not.
05:22I'm a third baseman.
05:23I'm not a DH.
05:24So he didn't keep that to himself.
05:26Uh, Sean McAdam at mass live.
05:28Excellent reporting by Sean McAdam who asked at least two of those questions that we just
05:31did.
05:32He's been, he's been right there in the middle of it.
05:34He says, uh, or reports that Raphael Devers was angry enough about his situation this
05:38spring.
05:39He considered asking for a trade.
05:42Hmm.
05:43Uh, he said, uh, the issue isn't what happened in those private conversations between or
05:47isn't sure what happened in those private conversations between Devers and the front
05:51office.
05:52So McAdam doesn't know, but he does say that Devers felt lied to over the off season because
05:56the team consistently told him the rumors about Bregman and Aaron Otto were bogus.
06:00Yikes.
06:02After Cora preached about Bregman playing second base and Breslow highlighted his defensive
06:05improvements.
06:06Some of that was with us, by the way, when we talked to Craig Breslow, uh, the team said
06:10they talked to Devers before any moves were made.
06:12So he feels lied to.
06:13He feels misled, which look, I think Breslow and Cora and everybody else should have done
06:20a better job of keeping Devers in the loop and saying, Hey, you know what?
06:24We're in on this guy.
06:25He's going to be our third base, but like they needed to communicate that better.
06:28But at the end of the day, tough, it's professional sports.
06:32You're getting your contract either way.
06:33Oh, by the way, you suck at third base.
06:35This guy's better than you.
06:36The team has sucked when you've been at third base.
06:39So I know it's not ideal, Rafi.
06:41I know we told you before we weren't going to bring in Bregman.
06:43We weren't going to bring in Aaron Otto.
06:45We thought maybe there wasn't anything to it.
06:47Turns out John Henry decided he actually wanted to spend money.
06:50We didn't think he would.
06:51And now he's going to be our third baseman.
06:53Sorry if you feel lied to, but that's the situation.
06:56You got to deal with it.
06:57And what he did is he considered demanding a trade in the offseason.
07:01But I mean, what's the point of lying to him?
07:04I don't really get it.
07:05So like, Hey, keep him at ease and we're going to, we're going to not sign.
07:08Even though all offseason long, I think we just answered it.
07:10Those two names.
07:11Why?
07:12They probably didn't believe at the end of the day, Henry was going to spend the money.
07:13So maybe it was that, but I feel like everybody else, we talked about Bregman and Arnotto
07:17all offseason.
07:19Those names came up all the time.
07:21And there were reporters like Ken Rosenthal being like, Bregman might play second base.
07:25That name didn't go away.
07:27And so it was, unless Devers just had his head in the sand on it, he must've been like,
07:31there's something here guys.
07:32There's something here.
07:33I just think if Breslow and Cora were lying to him the whole time, it does make sense
07:39why he reacted the way that he did.
07:40Sure.
07:41That wasn't, that was more of a message to those guys.
07:44And maybe even in the back of his mind, he's like, yeah, I'll DH, I'm making $30 million.
07:48I will do that.
07:49But I feel like you guys, yeah, kind of like, why did you guys have to do that?
07:53Why did you tell me that you weren't doing that?
07:56Because it came across pretty outrageous for a guy that did want ads to the team.
08:01You wanted good players in here.
08:03You wanted to compete again.
08:04They do that.
08:05But if the whole time they're like, don't worry about the Bregman thing.
08:08Don't worry about the Bregman thing.
08:09Then they sign Bregman.
08:10And then he's being asked about it.
08:11Yeah.
08:12He's probably pissed at Cora and Breslow, or at least the guys that whoever lied to
08:15him.
08:16He's got to be mad at that.
08:17617-779-7937.
08:18I've gotten grief from the Twitch chat before twitch.tv slash Boston WEI.
08:23Oh, Jones, you trade Devers.
08:25Well, if he's demanding a trade and you can get like Vlad Guerrero back, then yeah, maybe
08:29I said I would trade Devers exactly in a situation for Vlad Guerrero or something like that.
08:34This seems too good to trade Devers for like prospects.
08:36Like that's insane.
08:37But if you get like somebody great, I'm not itching to trade Devers necessarily, but if
08:41I can upgrade to Vladdy or something longterm like that, hell yeah.
08:45I'd think about it.
08:46But if that's too strong for you, okay, fine.
08:48How about if he demands a trade?
08:50How about if he wants out?
08:51How about if he's going to be a problem?
08:52And McAdam didn't say he demanded a trade.
08:54He said he considered demanding a trade.
08:57But okay.
08:58He was that upset and felt that wronged about having to move to DH where we all think you're
09:03going to wind up anyway in future seasons.
09:06If not, you should have already been there last year for God's sake.
09:10So it's going to help you.
09:13But it's not great.
09:14He was that upset that he considered demanding a trade.
09:16Wow.
09:17But I do wonder about like the trickle down for this.
09:19So if this story is going to be well known throughout the team, right, obviously.
09:24So when Tristan Costas, for example, talks to Breslau or Cora and they say, don't worry,
09:30we're not trading you.
09:31Would you say, oh, right.
09:33Like what you said to Devers?
09:34Yeah.
09:35So he might.
09:36I would think so.
09:37And like, they probably should trade them if they get a good offer and all everything
09:38else.
09:39And if they can't sign them longterm.
09:41But I just wonder, there's so much like positivity around this team right now.
09:45But then with some of these guys, do they trust Cora and Breslau now?
09:49Because if you're going to lie to your highest paid player, you'll lie to anybody.
09:54So I wonder how, you know, Jaron Duran, like, hey, we're going to get a deal done with you
09:58or not.
09:59Like maybe we're lying.
10:00Like, oh, don't worry, guys, we're not trading you or don't worry, we're not going to bring
10:04in a replacement for you or don't worry.
10:06These guys can't trust a word they say now.
10:07I don't have a great answer for why Cora lied to Devers.
10:11Other than, you know, he's lied about things in the past.
10:14Maybe he's just a liar, but I don't know why he would lie to Devers.
10:18He's got a good personal relationship.
10:19Maybe he didn't.
10:20I mean, the story is somewhat vague about it.
10:22I would just say Breslau, Breslau, in his mind, might have been telling the truth.
10:25Everything we heard is that Breslau did not want to sign Bregman true.
10:30So like Breslau might have been like, yeah, no, you're our third baseman.
10:33We don't like how Bregman's aging and all these other models and analytics that they've
10:37extra Weasley of Cora, if it's true, that's what I mean.
10:39It's like he loves Bregman.
10:40That's what I mean.
10:41He's referred to as the perfect player.
10:42So yeah, maybe it's not him.
10:43Maybe it is.
10:44Maybe it is a Breslau conversation.
10:45Like Breslau might've been telling the truth the whole time in his mind.
10:48And Henry and Cora kind of overruled him.
10:51That's been the reporting from McAdam and others.
10:52Could you see maybe as simple as this?
10:54And we're kind of guessing, but could Devers see all the different reports that are out
11:00there?
11:01His agent calls Breslau.
11:02Breslau's like, don't worry, we're not signing Bregman.
11:03And then that information gets back to him.
11:04And then Devers is like, all right, I'm a third baseman.
11:06And then like two days later, they're like big signing, Alex Bregman, you know, by the
11:09way, he's going to make more money than you for this year.
11:11Yeah.
11:12Trust me.
11:13I get being upset about it and I get being frustrated about it.
11:14I don't get lashing out via the media.
11:16I don't get being so mad that I'm going to consider demanding a trade.
11:19I think that was just a public FU to Breslau.
11:22Okay.
11:23Yeah.
11:24Maybe, maybe not.
11:25That's how I do it now.
11:26I didn't at the time.
11:27I thought it was a very selfish move at the time.
11:28Now I feel like it's just sort of a grudge match against Breslau.
11:31So you guys can jump in a Red Sox on the table with the latest on Rafi Devers.
11:35You can jump in on the pats as well.
11:36We got the Friday four pack coming your way about 15 minutes from now.
11:39Tom is in Vermont.
11:40I don't think I like where this is going to go.
11:41Go ahead, Tom.
11:42How you doing guys?
11:43Doing great, Tom.
11:44Hey, listen.
11:45Good day.
11:46Listen to you guys every day.
11:48You guys are the bum diggity.
11:50So listen, anybody think this might be a panda bear 2.0.
11:54And then the other question I got is if he's unhappy, trade his ass.
11:59What really hurts me is you're paying him $300 million and he can't learn our language.
12:04So there it is.
12:05There it is.
12:06Let me tell you right now.
12:08It's a poor representation from the great state of Vermont there.
12:10Let me tell you right now.
12:11If I played professional sports in another country, I could be there 50 years and I wouldn't
12:16know the language.
12:17Okay.
12:18I'd be so bad at picking up another language.
12:19Here's the thing.
12:20Yeah.
12:21I think he does understand the language.
12:22No, that is tricky.
12:23I think he would do this.
12:24I think he chooses not to because maybe it gives him plausible deniability.
12:28Maybe it gives him a little bit of separation when he's answering questions to say what
12:33he wants.
12:34And there's an extra filter there maybe is the way I want to say it.
12:35The filter is the translator when the road guys get called into Congress.
12:39So Sammy Sosa did a million interviews of English and then they're doing the, the, the
12:43Roy guys at Capitol Hill.
12:44And he's like, I don't know.
12:45I'm going to talk to this guy.
12:46I'm going to take it up with my interpreter.
12:49It's like, Sammy, you know, England, we all know that, you know, English.
12:51I don't think Devers is sand of all 2.0.
12:53I think that's what he was saying.
12:54Yeah.
12:55God, no, he's way better than him.
12:56I don't know.
12:58Yeah.
12:59I'm not worried about the bum digging.
13:00Well, that was nice.
13:01At least take it with a grain of salt, but again, we got to look at what we're actually
13:05doing.
13:06Uh, but no, the one that I'm fearful of being sand of all 2.0 and it's not body type wise
13:11at all.
13:12It's Bregman where Bregman comes in and we love the big game pedigree and we love that
13:17he's a winner and how he's come through in a big spot and he's going to be, you know,
13:20a guy who brings winning to the Red Sox.
13:22And that's how I felt about sand of all the time.
13:24I think Bregman's had better heat system, regular seasons.
13:28Really?
13:29He was almost like a Robert.
13:30He's not 500 pounds overweight.
13:32So like, I feel better about how Bregman is going to age.
13:35But my bigger concern about who's going to be Sandoval is Bregman.
13:39Is he the right fit in the market?
13:40Does the big game pedigree translate all those things?
13:42I'm less concerned about it with Devers, but I get the body type thing.
13:45I mean, the year before they got Panda, they signed this massive deal.
13:49He had 16 home runs and had a seven 39 OPS.
13:53What was Bregman's OPS last year?
13:54He had more home runs.
13:55What was his OPS?
13:57Yeah, it was a low, right?
13:59But it was 768.
14:00Yeah.
14:01You had 26 dingers.
14:02I had 10 more.
14:03But also, you know, Sandoval wasn't exactly ever a home run hitter.
14:07No, he wasn't.
14:08It was a weird signing.
14:09That was a marketing signing.
14:10He also was Bregman won the gold glove.
14:12Sandoval would never be considered a gold glove candidate.
14:14No, no, no.
14:15Gold exploding belt is what he had.
14:17That's still amazing that that happened.
14:19It was.
14:20I remember watching that.
14:21Was that live in his first spring training or the next spring training?
14:23No, no.
14:24It was a regular season.
14:25Yeah.
14:27Maybe it wasn't right when they signed him.
14:28No, I think it was his second year where he was already like a punch line and already
14:32like this fat third baseman was like, oh, his belt popped.
14:34It's like, yeah, right.
14:35Like, not for real, though.
14:37His belt popped.
14:38He was already, you know, in the in the bathroom in the middle of games, liking ass models
14:45on Instagram.
14:46It was 2016.
14:47OK, so was that his second?
14:48That was the second year.
14:49It was the beginning of the season in 2016.
14:51Classic.
14:52Like he was already, you know, teetering.
14:55Just like his belt.
14:56He was already teetering.
14:57And then you're too.
14:58That happens.
14:59He played for the Red Sox for three seasons, but played 161 games, had 14 home runs and
15:05had 237.
15:06It's a disaster.
15:07Nice.
15:08Joe is in Springfield.
15:09Hello, Joe.
15:10Hey, guys.
15:11Thanks for taking my call.
15:12I'll put money on it that the front office absolutely lied to Devers about it because
15:19they weren't sure the deal was going to get done and they didn't want his agent to leak
15:22it.
15:23They didn't want Devers to start giving interviews like he did after the deal that would potentially
15:28blow it up.
15:29OK, well, hang on, Joe, Joe, Joe, not a bad theory, but weren't they already linked to
15:34Bregman and they were already linked to Aeronautical and so they didn't confirm it.
15:37They probably just said they were looking into everything, but we don't have anything
15:40new.
15:41We'll let you know.
15:42You know, they probably just kind of pulled them along like that because they know Devers
15:46is a loose call, loose kind of gun on them and they didn't want him to blow up the case.
15:51And how Bregman has responded since he's been there, I guarantee you the front office
15:55and Cora was coaching him on what might happen when the deal gets announced and how Devers
16:00is going to react.
16:01And he's threaded the needle perfect.
16:04So I agree.
16:05He's threaded the needle perfect.
16:06I do wonder if all of that is authentic from Bregman, but that's just my antenna going
16:11up a little bit.
16:12I wouldn't give Breslin and Cora credit for that.
16:13I think that's just Bregman.
16:14That's true.
16:15I think he's just like a good pro.
16:16Yeah.
16:17I don't think he's like pretending or faking it.
16:18And I wouldn't trust those guys to coach him up on that.
16:21So, you know, the buy in the suits and stuff.
16:22I know Marcelo Meyer was all fired up about the suits that Bregman bought.
16:26Loved it.
16:27Yeah.
16:28And so, you know, maybe it's authentic.
16:29Maybe I should give him more benefit.
16:30We've got some Patriots phone calls lingering as well with all your thoughts on Rafi Devers.
16:34George's in Warwick.
16:35Hello, George.
16:36Hey, guys.
16:37You know, I was listening to the chat about the potential top 10 D. Would you say just
16:43for giggles, you assume a top 10 D. All right.
16:47Okay.
16:48Hell yeah.
16:49I look at coach for Abel and Drake May.
16:52I look at their schedule this year and I go, this is a top 10 defense and I look up and
16:56down their 2025 schedule.
17:00Most often than not, I find myself going Eileen Vrabel in May over their opponent, their quarterback
17:06coach combo.
17:07So he's doing the schedule that way.
17:09Eight wins.
17:10Put me down for eight wins.
17:12It's been a moment since I've checked the full schedule.
17:13We can win loss.
17:14I'm sorry.
17:15We don't know.
17:16Do we know that?
17:17We don't know the schedule.
17:19We don't know the schedule yet.
17:20It's hard to play that game yet.
17:21Uh, yeah.
17:22No, no.
17:23They have a great schedule, though.
17:24They legitimately play the three teams drafting ahead of them.
17:26They are.
17:27We are bad.
17:28The Dolphins might not be as good as we thought they were going to be a couple of years ago.
17:31It's it.
17:32It is a true last place schedule in every sense of the word.
17:35So they have a lot of winnable games.
17:36I agree with that.
17:37Parker's in Uxbridge.
17:38Hello, Parker.
17:39Hello.
17:40Hello.
17:41Hi.
17:42Hello.
17:43How are you?
17:44Happy Friday, boys.
17:45How you guys doing?
17:46Right back at you, Parker.
17:47Happy Pi Day.
17:49Great.
17:50Thanks for taking my call.
17:51I just wanted to say a quick thing about the drafts.
17:52Well, no, my plan would be I won't be too long there.
17:55My plan would be to trade down and get two linemen first and second round linemen and
18:03somehow get some diva wide receiver to this some some big boy to this and not waste it
18:10on wide receivers.
18:11We do a horrible job drafting wide receivers in our history.
18:15Let's let's protect me and see what he's made of.
18:17I also don't like the idea of trading Milton.
18:21I think that guy's a stud.
18:22That arm strength is one of a kind.
18:24OK, so let's keep Milton.
18:25All right.
18:26So put him down for best Hoss available twice.
18:28Trade down for two.
18:29Best Hoss available.
18:30Then go.
18:31Best Hoss available.
18:32Double dip.
18:33Best Hoss.
18:34I don't know where you get the diva wide receiver.
18:35But you're keeping Joe Milton.
18:37Didn't he?
18:38Hoss Hoss.
18:39I mean, Joe Milton Hoss.
18:40Yeah, he could be.
18:41We already gave away Hoss of the week, right?
18:42No, we did.
18:43Milton Williams.
18:44Well, this is this plan.
18:45This is this is the Hoss plan.
18:46Didn't he also want a big wide receiver?
18:49That's kind of a Hoss, too.
18:50What did he say?
18:51Too many Hosses.
18:52A big fella?
18:53Dice wants us to rank our top 10 D's of all time.
18:56Maybe better suited for off the air.
18:57I got to sit down and think about that one.
18:59What if we do an Instagram video where it works best?
19:01Yeah.
19:02I got to sit down and give that some real thought.
19:04I got to do some homework.
19:05That's what I got to do.
19:07Chris Jones.
19:08But yeah.
19:10Chris Jones.
19:112000 Ravens.
19:12It's just a mixed list.
19:13Like, actual defenses.
19:14Oh, two bucks.
19:1585 Bears.
19:16Chris Jones.
19:17Chris Jones.
19:18Okay.
19:19So, uh.
19:20Frank Gore.
19:21Okay.
19:22So, uh.
19:23Frank Gore.
19:24Okay.
19:25So, uh.
19:26Frank Gore.