👉 Carlos Bodanza, especialista agropecuario, describe el impacto en la comunidad, con miles de hogares afectados por la inundación y vías de comunicación destruidas. Las pérdidas económicas son significativas, especialmente en el sector agropecuario.
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00:00And we go back to Bahia Blanca to communicate with Carlos Bodanza.
00:04He is a colleague, a specialist in agriculture and lives there in Bahia Blanca.
00:08Carlos, how are you? Good afternoon.
00:10How are you? Very good afternoon. Here we are.
00:13Many questions, Carlos, to ask you.
00:15The first of all is, how is the situation now? How are you?
00:20No, well, I, in particular, I am one of the privileged ones that, well,
00:24I was in an area where I did not have more than a hundred gutters on the roof
00:29and the truth is that mine too, in some way,
00:32the family has arrived, well, yes, with some problems.
00:37In fact, well, I am, I have my radio program
00:41and I come from the operator that I have on Sundays in the morning
00:45with the house totally detonated.
00:47Yes.
00:48I was looking at the clock, two hours I was cleaning a refrigerator
00:51to see if we could put it on when the light came on.
00:55And well, the day goes by trying to help, to give a hand.
00:59Now I got into a street and everything is cut off,
01:02but they are lifting what people throw away, right?
01:05Because, really, one goes through the streets
01:08and there are piles and piles of things that they throw away
01:11because there is a mattress that is no longer useful for you,
01:15or a cushion that is no longer useful for you.
01:17Obviously, the electromagnets, many choose to throw them away directly
01:21because they were flooded in such a way
01:24that they will not be able to be used again.
01:27And that's how it is, all day, all the time,
01:30everyone trying to, well, to regroup.
01:33The weather accompanies us, there is sun,
01:36now even the wind stopped, but well, little by little
01:39some streets of Valle Blanca are being flooded, right?
01:42So, well, the most complicated thing is what is stuck to the sea,
01:46what is Serri, what is Guerrero White, what is the port.
01:51The rest of the city, taking mud, water
01:54and trying to resume, let's say, not normal life
01:57because most of the shops are closed,
02:00because there is still a debate, even tomorrow, supposedly,
02:04the classes were going to start, but I'm sure they will postpone it
02:07because a large part of the teachers have the same problems
02:10that their students have.
02:12So, for now, in the middle of the reconstruction phase, right?
02:17And that reconstruction phase, if we take it to the countryside,
02:20to the surroundings of the city, how is the situation?
02:23I imagine that also, from what you were telling me,
02:26there are still denied areas, right?
02:29Yes, yes, yes, very, very denied,
02:32because the problem is that in many places,
02:35first of all, the roads to the fields are all dirt,
02:38and most of Valle Blanca has 4 or 5 trunks
02:41that have always been in poor condition,
02:44well, now they have no state directly,
02:48and they have a very large area,
02:51about 2 meters wide and 2 meters deep,
02:54where the water was going down,
02:57even opening the stone,
03:00here is an area where there is a stone plate
03:0340 centimeters approximately,
03:06it is a soil, let's say, with stone very close,
03:09that is all open,
03:12then there are fields that, for example,
03:15have left something without doing,
03:18and today the route is a ditch,
03:21and even, for example, Route 35,
03:24which is the one that connects Valle Blanca with La Pampa,
03:27well, it broke into several pieces
03:30because the water seeks to go down to the sea,
03:33and the route prevented it,
03:36so that route, for example, today,
03:39whoever wants to come to Valle Blanca
03:42can go there, go to Cuba and return to La Pampa.
03:45Of course, an alternative path.
03:48Carlos, how are you? Lucia greets you.
03:51You just commented that you have been on the street
03:54helping the neighbors for a long time,
03:57I wanted to ask you, do you see any type of logistics,
04:00distribution, because there is a lot of donation
04:03that is coming, not only from the city of Buenos Aires,
04:06from Lambas, but also from different points
04:09of hygiene, what are you seeing there?
04:12Look, the truth is that what I can tell you
04:15is what one receives through chat, through the street.
04:18Here the problem is that, obviously,
04:21one sees that the donations are many,
04:24we know it and we also see it in our networks.
04:27The issue is that when one talks about,
04:30I don't know, at least 50% of a city
04:33that has 350,000 inhabitants affected,
04:37it is very difficult sometimes to get everywhere.
04:40I was just talking to this boy
04:43who lives next to the canal,
04:46one of the most affected places,
04:49and no one happened here.
04:52That testimony is repeated, Carlos,
04:55it is a self-sustaining work of the neighbors.
04:58It is good, but one also understands,
05:01what are you going to do, house by house,
05:04even if there are 50,000, 60,000 affected?
05:07Yes, it is not enough.
05:10I think people also have to see
05:13what centers to go to, because if one sees
05:16that we have a lot of places that are
05:19available as a center of assistance,
05:22as a center of attention, as a center of distribution,
05:25and well, whoever needs something will have to go there.
05:28I personally bought him a dozen bananas,
05:31and I'm sure they'll give you what you want,
05:34because the warehouses are closed.
05:37The problem we began to find is that
05:40most of the deposits of goods that are not from
05:43Bahía Blanca, the ones that are from Bahía Blanca
05:46are also under water, so there is no distribution
05:49to the warehouses, except for the large supermarkets
05:52that have their own deposits.
05:55The neighborhood supermarkets began to have
05:58their own deposits.
06:01People also try to provide themselves,
06:04because they say, I'm short, so we all buy.
06:07Two packets of syrup, I'm going to buy one,
06:10two bottles of vanilla, I'm going to buy one,
06:13so that also causes a whole erosion
06:16of the system, so to speak.
06:19What happens there, Carlos, also depending on
06:22what you have been reporting and what the images
06:25are, is that the city is completely destroyed.
06:28It seems that there is where the government,
06:31both provincial and national, should implement
06:34logistics to supply the city, right?
06:37Look, I'll give you an example.
06:40When you called me, the producer,
06:43when she called me, you did 15 minutes.
06:46In Bahía Blanca there are no bottles,
06:49it is for very few reasons that occur.
06:53It's been more than half an hour
06:56that I still haven't been able to go around
06:59La Manzana for some reason, because there are
07:02trucks going through, collecting things,
07:05taking people out. There are excavators
07:08pulling out the mud, because they are very
07:11close to one of the canals, so they are
07:14pulling out the mud. On the other hand,
07:17there are cranes lifting cars that are
07:20pulling out their cars, because it happens
07:23to me personally, friends who tell me,
07:26look, the car is in front of the studio,
07:29I'm five blocks from one side, five blocks
07:32from the other, and the car doesn't
07:35appear, I have no idea where it is.
07:38And maybe the car is in the river because
07:41the canal took it, and the river is
07:44here, five kilometers.
07:47Is there any calculation that is already
07:50being made on the side of the field,
07:53of the losses that are being received
07:56both by the lost crops and by what
07:59cannot reach the port due to the
08:02flooding situation that still exists?
08:05We are in a situation where tomorrow
08:08some roads begin to be fixed, because
08:11the producers themselves, obviously,
08:14are having a hard time, but you
08:17know, we are in a situation where
08:20there are 15 people who still do not
08:23appear, and from 100 we pass to 15.
08:26Well, that is very good news, because
08:29we were quite distressed, because there
08:32were still about 100 people, in quotes,
08:35who did not have contact. Well, today
08:38officially, in addition to the lost crops,
08:41and the governor will be at the disposal of the agri-food sector to fix a dirt road.
08:46The problem is that there are many producers who have not left the field for five days because they can't,
08:51and for five days there are producers who want to go to the field and can't.
08:54So it's impossible to say that they died.
08:58I have an acquaintance who had about 400 sheep in the corral, locked up, eating.
09:04Well, the employee, as he could, swimming in the corrals,
09:09went to open the lockers so that the few that were alive went out to where they were.
09:14So it's impossible to put together the farm and count the farm.
09:18We don't know for sure how many animals we have in each of the fields.
09:23That's why, just today, we're going to start estimating what happened.
09:26What you said too, just on Friday, some of the port terminals are going to be operational.
09:31Even at the entrance to the port, the entrance had to be broken so that water would come out to the sea,
09:36because one of the entrances was the one that was being used as a containment deck.
09:41So it's still very complicated to say, well, this is the economic situation, or these are the losses.
09:48Really, today we are not in good conditions yet.
09:51And Carlos, I close with this last short.
09:54You said it, the 15 disappeared officials that are there now,
09:57that number is closing, right?
09:59Because we are receiving many comments of doubts regarding the number of deceased.
10:04In Bahía Blanca, that number closes as if it could be the official figure?
10:11Look, we have the experience of what was a year ago in Moneda,
10:15the turbos that flew half the city.
10:18And the same thing happened there.
10:20It was as if one saw the magnitude of the damage,
10:22and one could not believe that the figure was a lot.
10:26It was 13 dead.
10:28It was a lot.
10:30Today there are 16, I think.
10:32And also, one looks at the magnitude and says,
10:34but how can it be?
10:36We are communicators.
10:38So we know very well that it is very difficult to hide things,
10:42and to hide, especially with social networks,
10:45with the communication that each and every one of those who are on the street has,
10:48with the people who say,
10:50but how, if the list of deceased people is officially there,
10:54if mine is not there,
10:56that would come out right away.
10:58And it doesn't come out.
11:00So the people out there,
11:02and we as communicators,
11:04we have the responsibility to say,
11:06you have to deal with official figures.
11:08I don't think there is a mayor in the city
11:10trying to hide.
11:12It's crazy.
11:14But people obviously have that myth
11:16of saying,
11:18hide so that a catastrophe is not declared.
11:20This is a catastrophe.
11:22Carlos, we thank you very much for this dialogue with A24,
11:24and we are in contact.