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00:00This program is brought to you by DAREGA KAITON NEN, the book that changed the world in one day.
00:16Where are we today?
00:18We are in Hikone City, Shiga Prefecture, at KOSHO & CAFE LUPESHA.
00:23We've come all the way to Shiga.
00:26This is a shop that uses DIY to create a nostalgic atmosphere of the Taisho era.
00:33It's a shop that collects old houses and has KOSHO records and retro furniture.
00:39There's also a cafe?
00:41Yes, there's also a music space.
00:44I'd like you to pay attention to one thing.
00:46A microscope?
00:48The owner was originally a science teacher.
00:52I'd like to have a microscope, experimental equipment, and science books lined up.
00:57I'd like you to be familiar with science.
00:59I'd like you to enjoy the Taisho era.
01:01You want to do KOSHO?
01:03You want to do KAME?
01:05You want to do science, too?
01:07It doesn't matter if it's science or literature.
01:11There's one thing I'm worried about.
01:13There are too many books I want to put in the store.
01:16There's too much to buy.
01:18The number of books is increasing.
01:20It's hard to get rid of them, so I have to do something about it.
01:22That's because there's not enough demand and supply.
01:25You can experience science while you're at it, right?
01:28That's right.
01:30So you can't get rid of the books, right?
01:33I don't know what to do.
01:35All I can say is, please do your best.
01:38That's interesting.
01:40This week's topic is this.
01:43The common point of the first-class.
01:45The pure human power of a scout.
01:49I graduated as a scout in the J-League.
01:52The J-League?
01:53It's a team that combines the human power of the great players I've worked with so far.
01:59I see.
02:00It's not just about technology.
02:02I see.
02:03And Gamba has a lot of stars.
02:10You're close to home.
02:12I went to Gamba Youth when I was a classmate.
02:15I didn't become a professional.
02:19Hello.
02:20Hello.
02:21I'm Hiroshi Ninomiya, a former member of Gamba Osaka.
02:27Nice to meet you.
02:28He's very polite.
02:30So you were working for Gamba?
02:33Yes.
02:34Even now?
02:35I retired four years ago.
02:39How long have you been working?
02:4127 years.
02:4227 years.
02:43Were you originally a soccer player?
02:48I was originally a middle school teacher.
02:50What?
02:51You were a teacher?
02:52Originally?
02:53So you were in the soccer club?
02:55That's right.
02:57That's too different from your previous job.
03:00I don't know if it's going to be stable.
03:05At first, I was an academy student or a high school teacher.
03:11I was also a scout.
03:13There were times when I didn't know what to do.
03:18But I was told to start as a scout.
03:23But you were a public servant.
03:26Of course, you couldn't work part-time.
03:28Did you have the courage to quit?
03:30I needed a little courage, but I couldn't.
03:33Is that so?
03:34At that time, the J-League was amazing.
03:38That's right.
03:41How was your salary?
03:43At that time, I was a middle school teacher and a public servant.
03:48Of course, the salary was higher than that.
03:51But the balance was...
03:53I didn't know because I was in the countryside.
03:56I think it was good for me at that time.
04:00The salary was high, but it was unstable.
04:04That's right. I signed a contract.
04:07At that time, the J-League wasn't a strong team.
04:16The J-League was a team that seemed to be in the sea.
04:21Was there a lot of pressure to be a scout?
04:25To be honest, I think it was a reality that I wasn't treated as a scout even if I went to various soccer schools.
04:34At that time, you didn't have a lot of players who worked hard to be a scout?
04:39I didn't have any.
04:41I see.
04:42Like Andras and Verdi.
04:46Who were the players at that time?
04:49Like Isogai.
04:51Genius Isogai.
04:53And Matsunami.
04:55That's right.
04:56And Mr. Nagashima and his father.
05:01I know them well.
05:03I grew up eating J-League curry.
05:09I drew an illustration of J-King.
05:13Were those players scouted by you?
05:18When I went to the J-League, I was already a member.
05:22It was after that.
05:24Who scouted you?
05:26Mr. Ryuji Bando, who is currently playing for NHK.
05:29Ryuji Bando?
05:31He was a member of Awaodori.
05:34Ryuji Bando was the one who scored the goal.
05:37Wow, that's amazing.
05:39Miyamoto too?
05:41Honda too?
05:42That's right.
05:43Usami.
05:45Ritsu Doan.
05:46Kamada too?
05:48That's amazing.
05:51Inamoto too?
05:52Did you scout Inamoto?
05:55I didn't scout Inamoto.
05:58He was a driver when he was a trainee.
06:04What?
06:05You were a driver for Inamoto?
06:06Yes.
06:07You were a driver for Inamoto?
06:08No, it was for Ashi.
06:09What do you mean?
06:10Inamoto is from Sakai City.
06:12He went to the same high school as my brother.
06:14Sakai Kami High School.
06:16He wasn't good at soccer.
06:18He was a youth player.
06:20Yes.
06:21Did you go to Sakai?
06:22No.
06:23I was a professional player at that time.
06:26I transferred to a high school.
06:29Oh, you transferred.
06:30Yes.
06:31So I drove from the training center to Ibaraki High School.
06:38Wow.
06:39Where is Ibaraki High School?
06:41It's Koyodai High School.
06:42Oh, Koyodai.
06:43I'm from Ibaraki.
06:45Oh, Koyodai.
06:46He was a sports player.
06:48Inamoto made his J-League debut when he was 17, right?
06:52Yes.
06:53That's early.
06:54So he made his J-League debut at that time.
06:56Yes.
06:57Did he treat you well?
06:59He was very kind and warm-hearted.
07:04I didn't have any bad habits.
07:06You didn't have any bad habits?
07:07No.
07:08You didn't have any bad habits in the back seat?
07:10No.
07:11That's good.
07:12I see.
07:13I was a bit older than him.
07:15I see.
07:16He was in your team when you were young.
07:20Who did you find?
07:22Who did you find?
07:26Usami Takahashi.
07:28Oh, Usami.
07:29Usami Takahashi, a Japanese player.
07:31How did you meet him?
07:33He had a reputation.
07:35Yes.
07:36He was a great player in Kyoto and Kansai.
07:40So I thought I should go and meet him.
07:44And I got the information.
07:46How old were you when you met Usami?
07:48I was in elementary school.
07:49What?
07:50Elementary school?
07:51I was in 6th grade.
07:52That's amazing.
07:53You went to see the game in 6th grade.
07:56Yes.
07:57Was it different from the others?
07:59It was different.
08:01Did you talk to him there?
08:03No.
08:04At that time, I didn't have any rivals in Kyoto.
08:09So I talked to the director.
08:12You talked to the director.
08:13Is there a way to talk to the director?
08:18There wasn't any special way.
08:21But I was influenced by the director.
08:25So you had to talk to the director.
08:27You had to make him like you.
08:29That's right.
08:30Like giving him a Pokemon card.
08:32Because he was a kid.
08:33You had to make him like you.
08:37What helped me a lot was Usami's family.
08:41There was a group called Ganba Osaka's big fans.
08:45Did they join the group?
08:47Yes, they did.
08:48Where did they come from?
08:49First, it was youth, right?
08:50It was junior youth.
08:52You were sure that Usami would join junior youth.
08:56Yes.
08:59His strength was dribbling.
09:01He was like Mitoma, a Japanese player.
09:05He was good at dribbling.
09:07So he had to make 5, 6, or 7 players pass the ball.
09:14He was a striker.
09:16He was a striker.
09:17He was a striker kisser.
09:19You could join Ganba Youth by yourself, right?
09:22There were two groups.
09:23Scout and Selection.
09:26How many people did you have?
09:28At that time, there were 500, 600, and 700 people in Selection.
09:32But basically, there were 20 people in one school.
09:35Wow, that's a lot.
09:37Did you win the first round of Ganba?
09:40Yes, I did.
09:41Oh, you did.
09:42Was it hard until you won?
09:46I was lucky.
09:48Ganba was the first one to be made in Kansai.
09:52Ganba, yes.
09:53In terms of environment, I felt that the kids chose Ganba as the first one.
10:00Ganba, Selection, Kyoto Purple, and Missle.
10:06After 2, 3, and 4 years, the result of J-League came out.
10:10The famous coach said that education was important.
10:15So, when I joined with the guardians,
10:20I felt a sense of security as a teacher.
10:24Oh, that's a strength.
10:27That's true.
10:28I see.
10:29But the reputation of a scout in such a place...
10:32You have no choice but to nurture it yourself, right?
10:34That's right.
10:35Did you have a teacher?
10:37There weren't many people who taught me.
10:41In my case, I learned from a player-level scout.
10:46From a player-level scout?
10:47How did he teach you?
10:49He didn't just look at the pitch play.
10:52After practice, he taught me how to deal with people off the pitch,
10:59how to greet people, and whether people like me.
11:03He told me to look at those things.
11:07If you don't look at the human power,
11:10no matter how good you are, you don't need to be arrogant.
11:14In the end, you may be able to play with your talent in a short period of time.
11:20But I learned from a player-level scout that
11:24the longer you play and the higher your level is,
11:28the more it will affect you.
11:31The points of being a scout are summarized here.
11:34First, don't have a sense of intrusion.
11:36What do you mean by looking at the pitch play three times?
11:39If you lose here, it's over.
11:41Choose a match with a sense of intrusion and evaluate it.
11:47So you look at the official match first,
11:50and then look at the final match?
11:54If you look at the same player twice and think it's good,
11:56but if you don't look at it three times, you won't be able to win?
11:59It's a re-examination.
12:01I feel a little uneasy.
12:04So I'm relieved if I get a three-time zero.
12:07I made the rules on my own.
12:10You have to be Sanren-chan.
12:13Sanren-chan is tough.
12:15It's hard even if it's Oniren-chan.
12:17Sanren-chan is an official match.
12:23Who else is amazing?
12:25Honda Keisuke.
12:27Did you talk to Honda Keisuke at that time?
12:32I talked to him a lot when I was a junior in junior high school.
12:36I have an image that Honda is a little late.
12:39That's right.
12:40He wanted to go to Seiryo High School from junior high school,
12:44so I contacted the director of Seiryo High School.
12:47How much is it to go to Seiryo High School following the junior youth?
12:54It's the image of going to the youth as it is.
12:57The best club is the youth.
13:00Most of the players who couldn't be promoted to the youth
13:05went to high school soccer like Honda Keisuke.
13:10So Honda couldn't be promoted.
13:15Did you think it was different from other players?
13:19There was.
13:20First of all, it's the power to listen.
13:23It's the power to design your own life.
13:28If you go to high school soccer,
13:30if you do well in the high school championship,
13:33you will be the scout of the whole J.League team.
13:37I think he drew a picture up to that point.
13:43Did you tell him to bring Gunma again at that time?
13:47I told him, but...
13:49Was it Grand Pass after all?
13:52That's right.
13:53Originally.
13:54So you didn't come back to Gunma.
13:56That's right.
13:57The fish you let go of was pretty big.
14:00I think so.
14:01I think so.
14:03Did you get a call from Honda when you left work?
14:06That's right.
14:07I was doing a lot of light work at a store.
14:12I got a call from somewhere.
14:14I said I was very sorry when I went to Seiryo High School.
14:18And one more thing.
14:19I'm sure you know my age.
14:21What will you do from now on?
14:24I can take care of that.
14:27You didn't come back to Gunma even though you felt that energy.
14:30I can't help it.
14:31I can't help it.
14:32It's coming from all over the country.
14:36What did you think at that time?
14:38When I met Honda last year,
14:40he said,
14:41I don't think everyone in Gunma thought this would happen to me.
14:45So it's a little...
14:47It's not a small-scale entertainment like us.
14:50It's not like we've become so great.
14:54That's right.
14:56I see.
14:57Since I was in high school, I think my talent has developed.
15:01I see.
15:02In a sense, it's good that you went to Seiryo High School.
15:05That's right.
15:06I think so.
15:07Is there any other fish that you missed?
15:12I'm the representative of Japan.
15:14I'm the president of NHK.
15:16I'm from the same place.
15:18I'm Takashi Fukunishi from AMA.
15:20He's a great volunteer.
15:23Oh, Jubilo.
15:24Yes.
15:25Did you look down on him?
15:26At that time, I was a teacher at AMA.
15:30I was the leader of the junior high school selection.
15:32Mr. Fukunishi is a warrior.
15:33In that kind of relationship,
15:36I had a little sweet heart that he would come.
15:39So there was something like a face-to-face meeting?
15:41Yes.
15:42Was it a one-on-one with Jubilo?
15:44That's right.
15:45Oh, that didn't work out at all?
15:48It didn't work out.
15:50Jubilo was amazing at that time.
15:51Mr. Fukunishi is great.
15:53There's no other player who's as easy to use as Winning Eleven.
15:56Mr. Fukunishi.
15:57By the way, how many scouts did you have at Gamba?
16:01At that time, there are many now,
16:04but I did it alone.
16:06Alone?
16:07Did you fly all over the country?
16:09In my case, Kyushu was more than all over the country at that time.
16:14I was in the best 4 of all national high school championships.
16:18Oh, like fruit.
16:20So I went to Kyushu.
16:22Oh, I see.
16:24Mr. Ninomiya, you've been scouting,
16:27but isn't there any pressure from there?
16:30You don't know if he's going to be active or not.
16:34Is there any pressure?
16:35Yes, there was.
16:36Is there any pressure on the team?
16:40The team director and fan support.
16:43At that time, there were no scouts.
16:48I think Mr. Ninomiya has something to say.
16:51He's responsible for everything.
16:54If he wasn't a good player,
16:56he would have said,
16:58No, I was brought by Mr. Ninomiya.
17:00I see.
17:01Is there any failure?
17:03Yes, there is.
17:04Oh, there is.
17:05It was unexpected.
17:07There must have been injuries.
17:09But when a star player is born,
17:13is there any compensation from Gamba?
17:15Salary?
17:16No, there wasn't.
17:17Oh, there wasn't?
17:19There was a position and salary,
17:23but I don't think there was any compensation.
17:25Oh, I see.
17:26So, you're a little addicted to drinking at a bar.
17:29I've found that.
17:32I'm the one who found him.
17:34I don't think Mr. Ninomiya would say that.
17:40What was the most rewarding moment?
17:42I'm glad I did this job.
17:44When a scout plays on the pitch,
17:48when he makes his debut,
17:50I feel satisfied.
17:52Oh, you mean you watch it.
17:54Even when I retire,
17:56I don't feel satisfied.
17:58I do feel lonely,
18:00but I feel grateful that
18:04I was able to play in this industry for a long time.
18:07How did you interact with the scouts of other teams?
18:13We didn't talk much.
18:14Oh, you didn't?
18:15You didn't talk to them?
18:16No, we did talk a little,
18:18but we didn't show it to each other.
18:20Oh, I see.
18:21You didn't tell them who you were aiming for?
18:23No, I didn't.
18:24Well, I know most of them.
18:26Oh, if you were watching.
18:27Are there any scouts of scouts?
18:30Like, I know this guy, so come to my team.
18:33Not at that time,
18:34but I think there are some now.
18:36Oh.
18:37Have you ever talked to them?
18:39A little.
18:41Oh, you were accepted?
18:42Yes, I was accepted.
18:44Can you tell me which team?
18:46Well, it's a TV show today, so...
18:49Oh, after drinking?
18:51Yes, after drinking.
18:53He must be an excellent scout.
18:55He must have brought a lot of experience.
19:00Finally, Minami-san,
19:01what do you want to convey in this book?
19:03Well, this book is a book about soccer,
19:06sports, education, and business.
19:09I think it can be used in all aspects,
19:13but I think there are many things
19:17that you can do to have a wonderful life.
19:22There are correct and positive ways of thinking,
19:25and of course, there are environments and luck,
19:30but in the end, it's an effort that no one can beat.
19:34That's what it is.
19:35I think you will have a wonderful life
19:39if you get good results when you multiply the three.
19:43That's great.
19:44I would like you to read this book.
19:47It's a grand theme.
19:49That's right.
19:50So, if you are worried about your life,
19:52there may be a hint here.
19:53And of course, if you want to be a soccer player,
19:55if you read it,
19:56there may be hints like,
19:57oh, if you do this, you will be recognized by the scouts.
20:00That's great.
20:01Thank you very much.
20:02Yes.
20:05Well, since I'm going to write it,
20:08I'm going to leave some space,
20:09so if you can feel the grace,
20:10please invite Honda players.
20:11Yes, that's right.
20:12Not just Honda players, but various players.
20:15Mr. Nishino,
20:16was it Mr. Nishino who wrote it?
20:17Akira Nishino.
20:18That's right.
20:19There are many more.
20:21This is...
20:22Yes.
20:23Akira Nishino's recommendation.
20:25Yes.
20:26I'm going to make it Honda.
20:27That's right.
20:28Mr. Nishino can do it.
20:29Yes.
20:30What do you think?
20:31The scouts of Tokuma Bookstore,
20:33who made Mr. Ninomiya write this book,
20:35did a good job.
20:37I was on the side of being scouted.
20:39Tokuma Bookstore...
20:40Tokuma Bookstore gave me an example.
20:43This is exactly it.
20:44Yes.
20:45Ten copies in a row.
20:46I made him write this.
20:47This was a good scout.
20:48Yes.
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