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00:00Today's Our Times
00:02Today's Our Times
00:04Today's Our Times
00:06How many times have you been on Our Times?
00:08It's my second time.
00:10How many times?
00:12It's my first time.
00:14It's my sixth time.
00:16There's no one in our time
00:18who looks at the camera like that.
00:20There's no one.
00:22But let's talk about our time.
00:24You two are in the same year.
00:26You're just 10 years younger.
00:28You're 10 years younger.
00:30It's easy to tell.
00:32At first, Miyake was
00:3410 years older than me
00:36in terms of sports.
00:38You were in a horse racing team.
00:40Yes, that's right.
00:42Miyake told me to buy
00:44a 1996 Japanese derby
00:46that Fusaichi Concordo played.
00:48I was the one who bought
00:50Fusaichi Concordo's horse.
00:52He said,
00:54buy a horse.
00:56He said, buy a horse.
00:58And the derby
01:00was about to start.
01:02Miyake was already
01:04talking about the derby.
01:06He said,
01:08Fusaichi Concordo!
01:10I said,
01:12did you buy it?
01:14That's a good comment.
01:16Did you buy it?
01:18Yes, I did.
01:20I thought, wow, Miyake bought it.
01:22At one point.
01:24It was about time
01:26I woke up.
01:28It's been about 30 years
01:30since I joined the team.
01:32So, for me,
01:34I respect him.
01:36Why are you laughing?
01:38I respect him.
01:40Miyake, you've been doing sports
01:42for a long time.
01:44You woke up 12 and a half years ago.
01:46What was it like?
01:48I was surprised.
01:50But, for me,
01:52I was 20 years old at that time.
01:54I've been doing sports
01:56for 27 years.
01:58I've been doing
02:00most of the things.
02:02I won a gold medal at the Olympics.
02:04I've been doing a lot of sports.
02:06I've been doing a lot of things.
02:08Now,
02:10what should I do in the next 10 years?
02:12That's what I'm thinking.
02:14I don't know if I can continue.
02:16Especially in sports broadcasts,
02:18I'm naturally inferior.
02:20What should I do?
02:22That's what I was thinking.
02:24I thought,
02:26maybe I was given
02:28a great opportunity.
02:30That's what I thought at first.
02:32But, when I think about it later,
02:34there's Mr. Otsuka here.
02:36He's the pillar of the country.
02:38The big signboard show
02:40that Mr. Otsuka has raised.
02:42When I thought about
02:44the weight
02:46that I would carry
02:48in the future,
02:50there was a lot of pressure.
02:52You're going to carry
02:54that pressure from now on.
02:56I really understand that.
02:58You feel it now, don't you?
03:00When Mr. Miyake graduated,
03:02he commented
03:04that he was relieved.
03:06I'm relieved.
03:08I've been under so much pressure
03:10for 12 and a half years.
03:12For the time being,
03:14I can pass it on to Ito
03:16I'm relieved.
03:18When I heard that
03:20Ito was going to be
03:22the main caster
03:24of Mezamashi,
03:26I thought it was good.
03:28Because
03:30he hasn't been blessed
03:32with a job.
03:34There have been so many people
03:36with this much ability
03:38who have only done
03:40this kind of work
03:42in the past few years.
03:44But Ito
03:46hasn't been able to make full use of it.
03:48He's not in a position
03:50that suits Ito's ability.
03:52I've done Ito's sate.
03:54I wrote a lot at that time.
03:56I wrote every time
03:58that I should have
04:00a more important job.
04:02Even if you look at
04:04the announcers all over Japan,
04:06I think I have the ability
04:08to get into the top three.
04:10That's how much Ito's ability
04:12has come to the point
04:14where Ito can finally
04:16show his true ability.
04:18I'm really looking forward to it.
04:20No, no.
04:22You're not being praised.
04:24No, not at all.
04:26If you're praised like this,
04:28you'll get a lot of praise.
04:30In this Mezamashi,
04:32the chief producer
04:34imagines this kind of role,
04:36so I don't know
04:38how much of my ability
04:40will be used.
04:42Even if there are fewer locations,
04:44I was told that I should
04:46look forward to it and
04:48do this kind of role,
04:50so I decided to do my best.
04:52You're the only one
04:54who talks about serious things.
04:56When it comes to this kind of story,
04:58I suddenly shut up.
05:00That's not true.
05:02One thing I think is that
05:04it's hard after Calbee.
05:06There are a lot of things
05:08that I want to do,
05:10but I don't think
05:12there's anyone who wants
05:14the same thing as this.
05:16I've been doing this entertainment corner
05:18for a long time,
05:20and I've been able to
05:22make a name for myself
05:24and get to where I am now.
05:26I'm grateful for that,
05:28but one thing is
05:30how many people
05:32want to do it.
05:34That's the difficulty
05:36I remember well because
05:38I was in the early days,
05:40but anyway,
05:42it was the very first release
05:44to release entertainment
05:46information without
05:48using gossip.
05:50There was no program
05:52to do such an entertainment corner.
05:54The so-called gossip was
05:56the entertainment news.
05:58We decided to stop it.
06:00We decided to focus on
06:02the story of the movie,
06:04and that's how
06:06Mezamashi TV was born.
06:08I'm proud of the fact that
06:10we were able to prove
06:12that the audience came
06:14to see us with
06:16proper entertainment information.
06:18I think it was established
06:20in Otsuka's time
06:22and evolved
06:24in Miyake's time,
06:26but I wonder if the
06:28entertainment corner
06:30will evolve properly in the future.
06:32Stop it!
07:03It was the 30th anniversary
07:05of Mezamashi TV.
07:07There was a festival
07:09for the 30th anniversary last year.
07:11We wanted to see it
07:13until the 30th anniversary.
07:15In terms of Miyake,
07:17how long will you do it?
07:19Or where will it end?
07:21I was told to do
07:23Mezamashi TV when I was 50.
07:25At that time,
07:27I thought it was the last
07:29complaint against Fuji TV.
07:31Until I was told to do it,
07:33I would never quit.
07:35But when the company
07:37told me to quit,
07:39I decided to quit.
07:41If I was told to quit
07:43when I was 53,
07:45I would have been at a disadvantage.
07:47This was decided in my mind
07:49when I first started
07:51Mezamashi TV.
07:53It means that
07:55Miyake and Calbee
07:57had a great sense of fulfillment
07:59when they started Mezamashi TV.
08:01That's right.
08:03Not only the information program,
08:05but also the music program
08:07and the music fair.
08:09If you're over 50,
08:11you can't get a job.
08:13That's right.
08:15I'm glad that
08:17I've been able to get a new job
08:19since I was in my 50s.
08:21I wonder if I can make the same comment
08:2310 years later.
08:25It's completely different.
08:27You were a reporter
08:29and you were in the studio.
08:31You were like,
08:33what is Mr. Calbee saying?
08:35You were in a completely different place
08:37from what you were doing.
08:39Now you're doing something like
08:41Ito Toshiro's style.
08:43I think it's a completely
08:45new challenge.
08:47I don't think it's the same program.
08:49I think it's a completely new challenge.
08:51I think it's a completely new challenge.
08:53I think it's a completely new challenge.
08:55I think it's a completely new challenge.
08:57You were a journalist for 94 years, right?
08:59I was a journalist for 95 years.
09:01You didn't get a job then.
09:03I was only in sports.
09:05I was only in sports.
09:07I was a reporter for TV.
09:09Were you an Amigo at that time?
09:11No, at that time I was an Checkman.
09:13No, at that time I was an Checkman.
09:15No, at that time I was an Checkman.
09:17I'm sorry to say this,
09:19but if you were called a Checkman,
09:21you would have been fired.
09:23What the hell is that?
09:25You said Amigo yourself, didn't you?
09:27Amigo is not Czech when the bubble is collapsing and Japan is losing its energy.
09:32Shinodo Akarui.
09:34Akarui?
09:35Speaking of Akarui, it's Latin.
09:37You are Amigo.
09:39I don't understand this at all.
09:41I was told that you are Amigo from tomorrow, so I became Amigo.
09:45The Czech man became Amigo.
09:47That's good.
09:49Amigo is still Amigo.
09:51Mr. Yagi is still Czech.
09:53In the Czech era.
09:55But after that, you had a lot of troubles, didn't you?
09:59At first, yes.
10:01Basically, the director creates the overall structure.
10:06I felt that the essence of making TV was in the direction of the director.
10:13That was really eye-opening.
10:15When I thought that the director was interesting, I aimed for a moving scale.
10:20I heard that I wanted to be a director from Mori of the same period.
10:24He said that he wanted to be a director, so he quit being an announcer.
10:28That was in the 4th or 5th year.
10:30I told him to do his best.
10:32Really?
10:34Absolutely.
10:36I didn't hear it at all.
10:38It stopped somewhere.
10:40Really?
10:42I said it was a waste.
10:45But you can understand it somehow.
10:47Directorial talent is very important.
10:50For example, in the announcement room,
10:54when there was a farewell party,
10:58Mr. Ito made a lot of VTRs.
11:01He made a lot of VTRs for job interviews.
11:04In that sense, the director's sense is the most important.
11:08In the broadcast of Amigo Ito, you also put in such a performance, didn't you?
11:13I wrote all the script for the second half.
11:17I asked a young writer to join me.
11:20We decided on the story together.
11:22I think it's interesting enough to watch now.
11:26No, no.
11:28I'm sure it's the broadcast at that time.
11:30It's interesting.
11:32I was watching while doing sports.
11:34I woke up at that time.
11:36What is this?
11:37Our era is the best.
11:39Don't say that.
11:41I made a big mistake.
11:43I was fired from sports for about two years.
11:46I can't enter both my favorite announcer ranking and my least favorite announcer ranking.
11:54Did you have a hard time when you were young?
11:57No, I didn't.
11:59I made a big mistake for the first year.
12:03I was fired from sports for about two years.
12:07What did you do?
12:09It was a live broadcast.
12:11It was a live broadcast.
12:13I read it at the booth.
12:15This program is a live broadcast.
12:17I made a mistake there.
12:19I cut the live broadcast.
12:24I cut it off.
12:28Then Miyake-kun said it was okay.
12:30I was told to remove Miyake-kun.
12:32I really wanted to play baseball.
12:34I couldn't play baseball.
12:37I thought this was not a problem for the next year.
12:41I wanted to make time for the Titans to speak when 10 years had passed.
12:49I was going to interview only young players who could use it when 10 years had passed.
12:57Even if I ask the stars now, they won't be there anymore.
13:00It was good to do it that way.
13:03It was good to switch to that kind of thing.
13:06You had a long-term vision.
13:0810 years later.
13:10But that rhythm is a little below me.
13:14At that time, I had a dream 10 years earlier.
13:17There was a 20% sports program.
13:21It was like a baseball broadcast on the Titans.
13:25There was a goal there.
13:27I don't have a goal now.
13:29I don't think there are many places where young people can stand out.
13:34I think it's hard for young people to be a sports announcer.
13:38In our generation, we were told by the company to train young people.
13:47Of course, I want you to grow up and become a star.
13:52There is also a power down in the media of TV itself.
13:57It's not the era where you can talk to your aunt over the phone.
14:02I think it's difficult to talk to young people about how to be active on TV.
14:12Basically, I don't give advice.
14:17I have to say this.
14:21I'm not sure if I want advice from myself.
14:28I'm not sure if I'm asking for advice.
14:31I have a lot of senior sports announcers.
14:35A lot of people come to teach me.
14:38Sometimes I don't ask for advice from this person.
14:43I want to hear this person's opinion about this sport.
14:47That's what I made.
14:49I'm not sure if I'm asking for advice.
14:56I don't think I'll give advice unless I say I'm worried.
15:02I'm the same as you.
15:04I don't have much to say unless I'm asked.
15:07I'm not sure if it's good advice.
15:10I'm not confident.
15:13Yamasaki says,
15:15Ito-san, everyone says you're scary because you don't say anything.
15:21He has a really bad personality.
15:23Stop it.
15:25I don't know much about the younger generation.
15:27I don't know what kind of person Ito-san is.
15:29I don't know what kind of person Ito-san is.
15:31I don't know what kind of person Ito-san is.
15:33I don't know what kind of person Ito-san is.
15:35I don't know what kind of person Ito-san is.
15:37I don't know, but Ito-san's points are sharp.
15:42I don't know, but Ito-san's points are sharp.
15:47Like, I don't have talent anymore, so maybe I should quit.
15:50Don't say that.
15:52Don't say that.
15:54Don't say that.
15:56That's a horrible training.
15:58It doesn't mean anything.
16:00But I always say in training,
16:03When you lose the desire to become better, the growth of the announcer stops.
16:08I'm 60 years old now, but I still feel the same way.
16:13I go to my seniors and ask them what they are organizing and preparing for.
16:22And they are doing something amazing.
16:25I'm like, is this what they are doing?
16:27I'm like, is this what they are doing?
16:29If you want to be like them, you must be doing something in a place you can't see.
16:36Then you can ask them.
16:38They will tell you whatever you ask.
16:40Then they will tell you that they are doing this with caution.
16:44There is a saying that the devil is better than the unknown.
16:48I think that's true for everyone, including us announcers.
16:55It doesn't matter if people say bad things about you or hate you.
16:58It's more important than not knowing.
17:00That's why I think every announcer should be able to express themselves in a certain way.
17:06When I was young, I was told to be an announcer who was supported by 50% of the people and hated by 50% of the people.
17:16Half and half?
17:18Yes, half and half.
17:19That's why you should be in both the favorite announcer ranking and the hated announcer ranking.
17:23That's what it means.
17:25Isn't it the same for Kawabura?
17:27I think it's better to be in both of them.
17:29That's a good idea.
17:31You want to be someone who can be caught.
17:33Yes, someone who can be caught.
17:35But isn't it different for women and men?
17:37What do you think about that?
17:39I may be a man, but I think it's hard for women.
17:43It's hard.
17:46I think it's hard for women, but I think it's hard for men, too.
17:50I think it's hard for men, but I think it's hard for women, too.
17:52I think it's hard for men, but I think it's hard for women, too.
17:54I think it's hard for men, but I think it's hard for men, too.
17:56I think it's hard for men, but I think it's hard for women, too.
17:58In the past, there was a female announcer who was 30 years old.
18:00I can't imagine that.
18:02If I hadn't spoken up when I was in my 20s, it would have been over.
18:04If I hadn't spoken up when I was in my 20s, it would have been over.
18:06But now, like Kikuchan Nishiyama,
18:08But now, like Kikuchan Nishiyama,
18:10Even if you get older, there are still many female announcers.
18:12In that sense,
18:14In that sense,
18:16There may be young people who think about their lives for a long time.
18:18There may be young people who think about their lives for a long time.
18:20But most of the time,
18:22But most of the time,
18:24I want to be recognized as soon as possible.
18:26I want to be recognized as soon as possible.
18:28I want to be recognized as soon as possible.
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19:03I want to be recognized as soon as possible.
19:05I want to be recognized as soon as possible.
19:07I want to be recognized as soon as possible.
19:10Do you feel that you were a newbie at that time?
19:12Do you feel that you were a newbie at that time?
19:14In a sense, that may be the case.
19:16I've been doing Ohio Nice Day for nine years.
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22:28Is it the same for you, Miyake-san?
22:30Is it the same for you, Miyake-san?
22:32Is it the same for you, Miyake-san?
22:34I've been told by Fuji TV
22:36I've been told by Fuji TV
22:38I've been told by Fuji TV
22:40I've been told by Fuji TV
22:42I've been told by Fuji TV
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22:56Let's make a hole with your waist
23:01Then, let's have another beautiful day
23:04Then, let's have another beautiful day
23:06A girl at a delusion
23:09A girl at a delusion
23:11A girl at a delusion
23:13Was coming when I was imagining

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