The Washington Commanders could be making serious moves this offseason, but who would you classify as "untouchable"?
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00:00So that is that. Here's the topic at the moment. So there's a lot of trade banter floating
00:05around and welcome back. It's granddaddy here on the fan, Toby in for GP. There's a lot
00:08of trade banter, boot into boot here, Tubbs. And one of the things that I I'm always hoping
00:17for and it's always unrealistic, right? But I'm always hoping for, Hey, what if they took
00:22a player back and considered it part of the compensation that I'm not really that excited
00:27about having it. It's the dream, right? Where it's like, take the guy on the expiring deal
00:31or the persona non grata, the thing you do in Madden, you throw the dude in that you
00:35don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, one of my best buddies in the world, we can't play
00:38fantasy sports together anymore because he'll, he'll just, he wears you down with trade offers,
00:42you know, like he would like just, you know, take a, you know, take like a Rudy Johnson
00:46and like three other guys just for the Damien Tomlinson. I'm like, no, I'm not doing any,
00:49I don't want any of these guys telling you how great they are while he's trying to get
00:52rid of them. I wouldn't pick these guys to be the waiver wire, let alone trade away from
00:58my best, but anyway, so miles Garrett may or may not be available. Cleveland has said
01:02no, but again, there's still buzz around there. He wants to leave. Think of a, you know, T
01:05Higgins with the sign and trade via, via the franchise tag. Think of a, you know, who knows
01:10what's Trey Hendrickson. There's a million players, Devo Samuels coming up where maybe
01:14via the right price. Let's just say that the other team goes for the sake of argument to
01:21you. Tobes Toby Peters. We love Duran pain. We love him. We want him as part of the deal
01:29and it'll save you the, the, the, the pick sweetener on the back end. You don't have
01:33to give us a second. It will take Duran pain from you, right? That can be part of a deal.
01:38It's got us to thinking who's on your list of, you can't have that guy who's on your
01:44list and how big is your list? And this is kind of getting me to an interesting point.
01:47I want to hear from you first, but 800 6 3 6 1 0 6 7 is a number 800 6 3 6 1 0 6 7.
01:54Who's on your MC hammer list. Who's on your can't touch list. Thank you very much.
01:58I think there's only, and this speaks to how good of a job the coaching staff and the players
02:03maximizing their ability did this year. I think there's only like four guys for me.
02:07I think there's only four Jaden's obviously the top of that list. I think we all understand
02:11that Terry would be on the list. I think that's understandable. And then there's been two
02:15dudes that I've seen various people throw around the potential miles Garrett's trades
02:20that I would immediately say no one. And I would throw in an extra pick so I could keep them.
02:23Frankie Lou Vu is unavailable to me. He's a chess piece. He's a Micah Parsons style player
02:30without the Micah Parsons baggage and without the Micah Parsons price tag.
02:34And he's a great leader in that locker room. So to me, Frankie Lou Vu is untouchable. I've seen
02:39people float them around for miles Garrett. I'll throw you another pick. I'm keeping Frankie Lou
02:42Vu because I think he's that impactful. It was the second team all pro this year.
02:46Really, really good player. He's untouchable to me. And then the next one would be Mikey
02:49Sandler. Still, I've seen people throw his name around. He's not available to me. He looks like
02:53he could be a legit corner and whether he ends up outside, which I think they're going to kick
02:58him back inside. But I thought he played reasonably well outside this year. Regardless, when you get
03:02a guy like that, especially as a second rounder with a price tag, he's not available. He looks
03:07like he could be a legit nickel defender for a long time. A guy like a Mike Hilton or someone
03:12like that who was impactful for that Bengals defense for a long time. I think he can play
03:16that sort of role or he can be your number two corner for a long time. You've got three more
03:20years of cheap play from him. He's not available to me. So that kind of the list for me. Like
03:26you look at, we talked about pain and Allen yesterday. I'll part with either or both of them.
03:31You look at some of the other impactful players. I don't know that it's, you can't have that guy
03:35for miles Garrett. To me, it's only four dudes that I'm saying, if you're saying, give me the
03:40best player available, which would be miles Garrett. I'll throw it an extra pick. I'm keeping
03:44these four guys. 800 6 3 6 1 0 6 7. That's Toby's list. Okay. So, all right. I've got a pretty
03:51significant list here as I was starting to think about it. Interesting. Okay, here we go. You
03:55ready? Jaden Daniels, Tara McLaurin. That's the end of my list. And I'll tell you what I love
04:04little Terry as much as the next guy. I don't know what scenario would happen, but if somebody
04:08said like for the sake of it, let's say Minnesota, something craziest thing in the world happens.
04:12They go, we're actually going to move Justin Jefferson. They wouldn't, but bear with me.
04:17Well, we can do it for, I don't know, a few next year's one and Tara McLaurin. So we have someone
04:24to build around and help us in the next couple of years, transition to this new regime or something
04:28for Justin Jefferson. Okay. Like I love Terry, but just like there is nobody right now in the league
04:36where I would go, yeah, you can have Jaden Daniels. Correct. Right. I mean, even the best
04:40that are doing it, I wouldn't, I would not trade him for anybody that, which says something right
04:46from McLaurin to say he's untradeable, any realistic scenario. No, he's not tradable, but
04:52it's not if like, I don't know, I gotta make it up a name. If Calvin Ridley's available,
04:56no pound saying you're not having Tara McLaurin, but if Jamar chase is, yeah, he wouldn't be,
05:00but if he was right, or I don't know if city lamb or, or AJ Brown, maybe an edge around,
05:05but you see my point. So very few scenarios, but I'll say for realistic scenarios,
05:10McLaurin's untradeable. That's my list. I like all the guys you mentioned. I love,
05:15I love Bobby Wagner. I love, uh, you know, Dante Fowler, what he did. He's a free agent,
05:20but I frankly, it was awesome. Nobody here outside of those two guys to me is untradeable
05:28knowing with the, with kind of the full fledged understanding. If I'm going to get better,
05:34I have to do a couple of things. I may have to give something that hurts.
05:38It's it should, people should treat it as painful to give up that first rounder,
05:42painful to give up that second round, but you've got to give to get number two. I've got to trust
05:48the brain trust to go. I'll find the next Lou Vu. It's not like cranky Lou was signed for 25
05:54million bucks a year, right? The film was available to anybody. They saw him in Carolina
05:58for a dreadful team floundering, going nowhere. And that guy played really, really well in this
06:02Swiss army knife role. And they had him come up and do the same to me, the premium position guys,
06:09like depends on your city, depends on your team, depends on your gut.
06:13But the, if I've got a great left tackle, it's going to take an awful lot for him to move for me.
06:19See Trent Williams going to San Francisco and having a bunch of great years afterwards,
06:22it would take the craziest set of circumstances to happen. And that's what happened.
06:26I'm not moving off a superstar receiver. That's really good. And a good citizen,
06:31not complaining and conventioning and moaning all the time. And I'm certain that I'm moving
06:34my great quarterback. Other than that, if we had an alpha superstar corner, you know,
06:42sauce Gardner, you'd be hard-pressed to include me. You have him included in deal.
06:47You'd be hard-pressed to include a great defensive like a miles Garrett, right?
06:49Under contract in the show. Other than that, I got to find my next movement. If I can't,
06:54I'll just find a dependable, stay-at-home linebacker. As I, as I built four werewolves
06:58up front to go get the quarterback. Like to me, that's easier to find than one of the superstars
07:04that are premium position. If that's what I'm getting in return, everybody's on the table.
07:08It would suck to trade Frankie Louisville way. I would not like it. I wouldn't be happy about
07:13somewhere. It would suck to get rid of a second router. It would stink on ice to trade away a
07:17first round pick for one of these dudes. Again, I don't think most are worth it. Garrett would be,
07:22and that should be painful because you're acquiring somebody so special.
07:27But it's so hard, you know, it may be the better exercise here with this too. Danny is who has
07:32value, which of these guys has value in trade? Cause I say take Lou Vu and Sam are still off
07:37the board. If I'm the Cleveland Browns and I'm saying, okay, I want a one. And in Washington
07:42says, I'm not giving you two ones, right? I'll give you a one and a three and a player.
07:46Which player am I asking for? I'm probably asking for Sandra still. I'm probably asking for Lou Vu.
07:52Do I really want to Ron Bain? Do I really want John Allen? Um, maybe Brandon Coleman would have
07:57some trade value. Is someone really that excited about Luke McCaffrey? No, one's really that
08:02excited about Ben Senate. I mean, you, you, you look through this team again, it's a credit to
08:06what they were able to accomplish this season. It's not like there's a ton of guys that everyone
08:09around the league's like, you know what? We need Noah Brown back. We need the army Brown.
08:13Like I know those guys are free agents, but like there's not a ton. And so maybe to your point,
08:19Jaden's untouchable. We know that Terry in just about every circumstance is untouchable,
08:24but if you really want to go get your guy, you don't have other dudes with value.
08:27You might have to trade one of those dudes on the defensive side. So this is such a good point here
08:30that you're making. And, and I've great. And I've argued about this a bunch. He, he thinks the
08:34roster is more talented than I do. I look at what you just said. And this is, this is kind of my
08:39whole point here is punch above your weight class. Doesn't begin to cover it. What they just did
08:45with guys that nobody else wanted playing key roles. Not that's not the, the, the, you know,
08:52special team, Sammy, not your McCall McCall is McHale, McHale, Michael, Michael, Michael Walker,
08:59not Alan George or, you know, Andre Jones jr. As a rotational defensive end, but starters,
09:06no one really was that interested in Cleveland Farrell, Torrance Armstrong, Bobby,
09:09not Bobby White, Dante Fowler, not the fellow son for less money than Tress way.
09:13Like they just did this with readily available players that I mean, Zachary was basically out
09:19of football. Anybody could have signed him and Washington was like, here's something fine.
09:25Huge down the stretch for them, getting them into the post. He's getting them into the damn
09:28conference championship game. You already mentioned Noah Brown was cut by the aforementioned Houston
09:33Texans. Tommy Brown has been available. If anybody had offered anything over the last four
09:38years for Tommy Brown, the answer may have been there and not have been yes, because Ron drafted
09:42him, but you don't, I mean, the point is you're willing to give us something for that guy.
09:45You guys, you guys are going to give us something. Oh yeah. We need a lot. Oh yeah. If you just come
09:50pick them up, it's yours. It's like, it's like a TV when you're moving your new apartment. Yeah.
09:55Yeah. Last dinner. One time you can have it. Yes. If you have something that can hold it away,
10:00hallway, my couch that, that had a dust mites in it or something,
10:04a lot of it is a kiss. I mean, I could go on. They just did that with that.
10:10Well, and that goes back to our other point. What we talked about earlier,
10:13this is why you have to upgrade this roster. You like the guys, what they were able to do
10:17is Dante Fowler going to have another double digit sex season. Maybe, probably not. I'm not
10:22going to count on it. Zachary is going to come back and do what he did this year.
10:26Maybe, probably not. You can do that with just about everybody on the roster. And
10:29I saw a report today that Jeremy Chin maybe is the most likely of the one-year guys to come back.
10:34That's fine. But like, I don't know that a lot of these guys are going to be able to do it.
10:37So you have to improve. And so that's through the draft that's through free agency and that's
10:41finding guys in smart ways to improve. And so I think, you know, maybe you have to include one
10:46of these dudes on the defensive side. I think Juan Martin maybe is someone that someone would
10:50be interested in, but again, are you moving off people that you really are trying to build around?
10:55Maybe Sam Cosme, but he's hurt. Like, I don't know that this team has a lot of value for
10:59guys in trades. So it's going to end up being draft picks. And then you have to decide if
11:03you're Adam Peters or like we talked about, realistically, you've got a five-year window.
11:07You're in year two. It's really easy coming off an NFC championship game appearance to say,
11:11let's go baby. We're all in right now versus what happens if, okay, I trade my pick this year,
11:17next year, the next year. And all of a sudden, maybe we're not playing up to our standard and
11:20we need to improve some places and we don't have the draft capital anymore.
11:24And we've spent a lot in free agency and that guy didn't pan out. So you have to be smart with these
11:28things where we're reactionary saying, let's go all in in year two. Maybe you have to be a little
11:32more smart going into the season and looking ahead. You can't pluck away too many culture guys.
11:37Yes. And, and, and kind of keep it going. You have to, you have to switch out some and some
11:40are going to be gone regardless whether you want them to or not. Let's go to Vinny and see pleasant
11:44line one. Who's on your untouchable list, bud? What's going on fellas? I am feeling,
11:50I'm going to stay beyond this. I'm going to go the easy route. It's got to be JD5 and Terry.
11:56I'm not going to give you a full list, but why would you give up your franchise quarterback?
12:00Period. That's just right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's not it. And Terry,
12:06why would you give up though? Only person basically for real on this team who production
12:11increases or elevates every season. That doesn't make sense. You know what I'm saying? So, um,
12:16you can't touch prime time five and you can't touch Terry, Terry, not even a little bit.
12:20This is not a democracy. It's a football, obviously. And we're going to keep it rolling.
12:25Appreciate y'all. Thanks buddy. Appreciate it. By the way, those two, I think are the most
12:28important to the culture. Obviously Jaden, we understand that with the talent, but I think he's
12:32obviously big. And I don't think Terry can go anywhere in terms of, he might be the biggest
12:36dude in this organization outside of Jaden might be the biggest dude in this organization still
12:40with Jaden right now. So those two to me are the big culture guys as well. Edwin and Virginia line
12:44two, who's on your untouchable list in the trade. Hey Danny. Hey buddy. Hey, Hey, Hey,
12:53look, I was, I'm a big fan of you guys, man. Even when you were in a so-called North Bethesda,
12:58I came out to see you guys, you know, I'm a big fan, been a big fan for years, but I feel like
13:03you guys have had this thing where you kind of disrespect Terry low key, because I remember the
13:09second, like week two or week three, you did this bit with a, with grant where you were naming all
13:15these wide receivers that you, you, you could rather have over him. And you named like, you
13:19named like maybe eight people I've heard of. And then you went up to like 20 people or something.
13:24I didn't like it at all. And to say that you would trade him, he's our captain. He's untradable. I
13:29don't care how good Justin Jefferson is, you know, Terry's Terry's just as good. And he's a
13:34leader on this team. He has a lot of, he has a lot of clout on this team. He's easy. I mean,
13:37he's the kind of guy you need to have if we're supposed to build something, if we're supposed
13:42to become a champion. I mean, he's more than just what he's he's a great producer, but he's more
13:46than justice production. You know, I hear that. Everyone, let me ask you this super quick,
13:50super quick. Would you rather have, would you rather have Jamar chase or Tara McClure?
13:57I'd rather have Terry McLaurin. I'll rather have to McLaurin than Jamar chase. Appreciate you,
14:02bud. So I understand that you love Terry McLaurin and this sounds like I'm ripping
14:08Terry McLaurin. I am not when Terry McLaurin goes for 127 catches,
14:141,708 yards and 17 touchdowns in a season. That's what Jamar chase just did. Yes.
14:19I'll be there clapping like a seal. I'll also be in line for hell freezing over.
14:25I don't think that's the thing. And that's okay. He's I don't get mad at people for being really
14:29good. Cause you know what I'm saying? Like he's really good. It's okay to not be one of the two
14:33or three best receivers in the sport. I see your point though, to your point, Anthony Davis,
14:36wasn't available until they called about Luke Adonjich, right? Like I'm not trading Terry
14:41unless they say, you know what? One of those dudes is available, right? Like he's not available
14:46until he is because of one of those guys. I mean, I was, what I was doing, I wouldn't,
14:49and I appreciate the kind words. I'm not trying to rip you. But the point of the dude's story
14:52here is to say, when I say untradeable, it's like a must win. I go, well, not technically a must win,
14:57but they better win it. Yes. It's sort of the same definition. There is a scenario that I would
15:03trade Terry McLaurin. It's not likely, and it's never happening. So it's almost not worth talking
15:07about. So then by, by that sort of expanded definition, he's not tradable to me. That's
15:11my list is Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaurin. Cause there are quite literally there's nobody
15:15that I would trade. If somebody called me about my homes for Jayden Daniels, I don't think I
15:18would do it right now because I got, I got four years of the rookie deal and my homes is the best
15:23in the world. I still, I'm still not switching. Like I will give me Jayden Daniels. I would swap
15:29McLaurin as good as a dude as he is. And as awesome as he is and as important as he is to
15:32this organization for a handful of guys, that's it. It's not, so that's not happening. So to me,
15:37he's untradeable. Yeah. I mean, Jayden is available for zero players in the
15:40national football league. Terry is available for like three and that's it. And those three,
15:45and those three dudes are not available and will never be available. So it's not worth our time.
15:50It's not worth us discussing. So there's no one down on Terry. And I think to our point on this
15:54is those two are kind of the guys you look at everyone else, the guys that are valuable,
15:59the guys that people would want, maybe you have to consider those.
16:03If you're going after the big names that might become available because we're just early in the
16:07off season. Miles Garrett's available. That's the big name, or at least he wants to be available.
16:11Maybe the Browns aren't shopping them. Who else could come up? We just learned about Jermaine
16:15Pratt. I know he's not a huge name, but he was leading tackler for the Bengals this year.
16:18Who else could come up down the line? If one of these big time dudes comes available,
16:22maybe you have to move off some of these guys more than likely. It's not going to be someone
16:26big enough that you include Terry McLaurin. I want to try to slide a slightly different
16:29angle into this. When we come back, 800-636-1067, who's on your untouchable list.
16:34I'm a, I'd rather move on from a player than a draft pick guy. Now, once I get into the third,
16:41fourth, fifth, sixth round, whatever, take them, you know, we're going to reacquire. We'll do a,
16:46you know, there'll be some comp picks. I mean, these guys are smart enough to manipulate this.
16:50So I would rather move on from a guy, for example, that's good for me than a draft pick. I want to
16:56get your angle on that and see if you guys feel the same way. 800-636-1067, who's on your untouchable
17:01list for Washington in a trade.