En Florencio Varela, sur del Gran Buenos Aires, se ha anunciado un cambio de fiscal en la investigación del asesinato de los adolescentes Josué y Paloma. Los cuerpos fueron encontrados el 1 de febrero tras su desaparición a finales de enero. Se sospecha complicidad entre policías locales y narcotraficantes. La misma comisaría estuvo a cargo de un caso similar anteriormente. El nuevo fiscal será anunciado pronto mientras las búsquedas programadas se han suspendido temporalmente.
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00:00Here where the bodies were found, you will remember the case so resonant, here in the south of the great Buenos Aires, in Florencio Varela, the bodies of Josué, 14 years old, the body of Paloma, 16 years old.
00:13The boys had disappeared, the last contact with them had been on January 30th, February 1st, they were found here in an open field.
00:24Today, allegedly, they were going to be tracked, it was going to be the Argentine Federal Police, a special tracking body that is in charge of the Federal Police.
00:34Apparently, the tracks have been suspended, the prosecutor has changed, Bustos Rivas is no longer, for a few hours we have learned, in minutes, it is very likely that it is known who is the new prosecutor of this investigation.
00:49Let's see if we can talk in a few seconds with one of the lawyers, who is the lawyer of the Josué family.
00:56Meanwhile, Javier, let me see that with Gustavo Gravia we review and put in context this fact of this murder.
01:05Yes, let's remember, Josué and Paloma were two teenagers who lived nowhere from the place where both bodies were found.
01:16And that, like all boyfriends, they went to that outcast place to talk about their things, what teenagers usually do.
01:26That is an area that many people in the neighborhood say is a liberated area, because it is an area where there is a lot of drug sales.
01:36The first hypothesis, the first work hypothesis, had been that, as there are also indigentes who use that terrapin that you saw in images to protect themselves from the cold or, in this case, from the sun or the heat,
01:54it had been one of the indigentes who, to steal a cell phone from Paloma, had killed them.
02:00People in the neighborhood say that this is not the case, that surely Josué and Paloma saw something that had nothing to do with drug sales.
02:08And the prosecutor, who has now moved away, according to the prosecutor, due to an undue pressure from one of the victim's lawyers,
02:17what the prosecutor did was to remove the Bonaerense police from the investigation.
02:23Why?
02:24He removed the Bonaerense police because two neighbors said, hey, while they were all looking for Josué and Paloma in another area,
02:34there we saw policemen who were burning pastries, so they probably had been hiding or burning evidence.
02:42Let's see, the central hypothesis is that there is a complicity between some unfaithful policemen in the area and those who sell drugs.
02:54There had already been a previous case with two crimes and now the Palomejo crimes.
02:59Javier, we return to the place.
03:01Perfect. Luis, Gustavo, you will remember that this police station was in charge of investigating the case of Lucas and Lautaro.
03:10Do you remember that match between Argentina and Holland in which two boys disappear,
03:15and then one of the boys appears in a car, first the car completely on fire,
03:20then the boy's body by the side of what would be the highway, Néstor Kirchner?
03:25Well, nothing is known about one of them yet.
03:28It is the same police station, this one of Bosque, the fourth of Florencio Varela,
03:32which also had to investigate this double murder, that of Paloma and that of Josué.
03:38Dr. Díez, thank you for these minutes. What happened that the tracking was not done?
03:44Well, the diligence is scheduled for the day of the date, at 11 o'clock,
03:50and so far we do not have in the system something that says otherwise,
03:56so we were not notified, at least so far,
03:59so from what I see and given the time that has elapsed, we understand that it will not be carried out.
04:06Luis, Gustavo, you are listening to the lawyer of the Josué family.
04:11Doctor, are you the lawyer who allegedly threatened the prosecutor Rivas
04:17and that is why he stepped away from the cause?
04:24The truth is that I do not know if he asks me seriously, because it is not a moment to laugh,
04:29but it causes me a lot of grace.
04:31No, not at all. I did not threaten anyone.
04:34That is the perfect excuse of the prosecutor to step away from the cause as he does manually.
04:41For example, in the massacre of Senzabello, today the cause in zero, in nothing, in file,
04:47without any movement and without detainees, right?
04:51Okay, but I do not ask that. Excuse me, doctor, let me intervene.
04:55I do not threaten anyone.
04:57I ask you seriously because that is what the prosecutor says and you threatened him
05:02to allegedly investigate a different alternative to the hypothesis that he had,
05:09that it was a robbery, a homicide that was done to hide the robbery.
05:16And what one has collected is that it had more to do, perhaps,
05:21with some hypothesis of drug traffickers or drug sales,
05:27that this is not being investigated.
05:29And what the prosecutor says is, well, he pressured me, the lawyer, to go to this place.
05:34Is this true or not? Do you deny it completely?
05:38No, categorically. In addition, let's see, there may be differences in the hypothesis of the case,
05:45in the theory of the case, right?
05:47It is valid within all the processes, it usually happens,
05:51that information is exchanged with the prosecutors of instruction,
05:54but this is not the reason.
05:58The reality is that, let's see, who can believe with confidence
06:03that a lawyer who is Don Nadie moves a whole judicial structure of a system, right?
06:09Because he spoke bad terms to him or because he allegedly threatened him or pressured him.
06:15What we did talk with Dr. Bustos Rivas,
06:18that we had a talk of two hours, two and a half hours,
06:22a cordial meeting, I asked him for the interview,
06:27he received me very cordially at eight in the morning,
06:31we exchanged information.
06:34What we could never agree on,
06:37in the hypothesis to which he embraced at the time,
06:41and he continued to embrace it until the moment of moving away from the cause,
06:44is that, no, this is a common robbery of two boys who stole a cell phone.
06:49And what is yours, doctor? Excuse me, and what is your hypothesis?
06:52No, mine, no, but mine, let's see,
06:55I fully rule it out the first day I entered the cause,
06:59well, because the cause speaks for itself,
07:03it is not a whim of mine.
07:05Let's see, if a boy comes from a marginal
07:10and I get a robbery, he steals my cell phone,
07:13he leaves as soon as possible to reduce it,
07:16he goes home to take a nap or he goes to buy a dose of drug,
07:19not true, here, very close to the crime scene,
07:22and he continues with his life and with another robbery.
07:27Okay, but then why did they kill him?
07:30No, no, no, no, no, wait a minute,
07:33wait a minute, this is not a common robbery,
07:37because if two marginals rob you,
07:40as the prosecutor supposedly says,
07:43they don't come to the crime scene,
07:46they prepare the crime scene,
07:49they modify the crime scene,
07:52they run the bodies of the crime scene,
07:55and then they modify the entire perimeter by making a fire.
07:59Doctor...
08:01Guys, it's a version that not even a first-degree boy will buy.
08:05But let's see, it's for the characteristics of the cause, okay?
08:09Doctor, I propose that in a little while we will talk
08:12with Facundo Pastor and Marina Carabrero more about this topic,
08:14there he will stay working.