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00:00Come here, Robin.
00:03Ex, are you okay?
00:06This is Ex, and he's a great guy.
00:10High IQ.
00:11He's a high IQ individual.
00:13And he's got this cool train.
00:15He's gone.
00:16So thank you very much.
00:17We had a busy day today.
00:18The king just left, and we've had a great discussion,
00:22terrific discussion concerning Gaza and everything else.
00:28We had discussions also about Saturday at 12 o'clock.
00:33It's going to be a big moment.
00:34We'll see what happens.
00:35I don't expect much happening with these people,
00:38but we'll see what happens.
00:40And we're going to be signing a very important deal today.
00:44It's Doge.
00:46And I'm going to ask Elon to tell you a little bit about it
00:50and some of the things that we found, which is shocking.
00:53Billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:58And I think it's very important.
01:00And that's one of the reasons I got elected.
01:02I said we're going to do that.
01:04Nobody had any idea it was that bad, that sick, and that corrupt.
01:08And it seems hard to believe that judges want to try and stop us
01:11from looking for corruption,
01:13especially when we found hundreds of millions of dollars' worth,
01:17much more than that, in just a short period of time.
01:20We want to weed out the corruption.
01:22And it seems hard to believe that a judge could say,
01:25we don't want you to do that.
01:27So maybe we have to look at the judges because that's very serious.
01:31I think it's a very serious violation.
01:34I'll ask Elon Musk to say a few words, and we'll take some questions.
01:40Elon, go ahead.
01:42Sure.
01:43So at a high level, if you say what is the goal of Doge,
01:49and I think a significant part of the presidency,
01:53is to restore democracy.
01:56This may seem like, well, are we in a democracy?
01:59Well, if you don't have a feedback loop,
02:01you would have to –
02:03Sorry.
02:06I'll tell you, gravitas can be difficult sometimes.
02:09So if there's not a good feedback loop from the people to the government,
02:16and if you have rule of the bureaucrat, if the bureaucracy is in charge,
02:21then what meaning does democracy actually have?
02:25If the people cannot vote and have their will be decided
02:28by their elected representatives in the form of the president
02:32and the Senate and the House, then we don't live in a democracy.
02:36We live in a bureaucracy.
02:38So it's incredibly important that we close that feedback loop,
02:41we fix that feedback loop,
02:43and that the public's elected representatives, the president, the House, and the Senate,
02:49decide what happens as opposed to a large, unelected bureaucracy.
02:54This is not to say that there aren't some good –
02:56there are good people who are in the federal bureaucracy,
03:00but you can't have an autonomous federal bureaucracy.
03:04You have to have one that is responsive to the people.
03:07That's the whole point of a democracy.
03:11And if you asked the founders today and said,
03:15what do you think of the way things have turned out?
03:17Well, we have this unelected, fourth unconstitutional branch of government,
03:23which is the bureaucracy, which has, in a lot of ways,
03:26currently more power than any elected representative.
03:29And this is not something that people want,
03:33and it does not match the will of the people.
03:37So it's just something we've got to fix.
03:40And we've also got to address the deficit.
03:42So we've got a $2 trillion deficit,
03:45and if we don't do something about this deficit, the country's going bankrupt.
03:49I mean, it's really astounding that the interest payments alone on national debt
03:56exceed the Defense Department budget, which is shocking.
04:00Because we spend a lot of money on defense,
04:03and if that just keeps going,
04:06we're essentially going to bankrupt the country.
04:08So what I really want to say is it's not optional for us to reduce the federal expenses.
04:13It's essential.
04:15It's essential for America to remain solvent as a country,
04:19and it's essential for America to have the resources necessary
04:22to provide things to its citizens
04:24and not simply be servicing vast amounts of debt.
04:27And also, could you mention some of the things that your team has found,
04:32some of the crazy numbers,
04:34like the woman that walked away with about $30 million, et cetera?
04:38Right.
04:39Well, we do find it sort of rather odd that there are quite a few people in the bureaucracy
04:48who have ostensibly a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars
04:52but somehow manage to accrue tens of millions of dollars in net worth
04:56while they are in that position, which is what happened to USAID.
05:01We're just curious as to where it came from.
05:03Maybe they're very good at investing,
05:05in which case we should take their investment advice perhaps.
05:09But just there seems to be mysteriously they get wealthy.
05:13We don't know why.
05:14Where does it come from?
05:16And I think the reality is that they're getting wealthy at the taxpayer expense.
05:20That's the honest truth of it.
05:22So, you know, we're looking at, say, well, just if you look at, say, Treasury, for example,
05:32basic controls that should be in place, that are in place in any company,
05:37such as making sure that any given payment has a payment categorization code,
05:41that there is a comment field that describes the payment,
05:44and that if a payment is on the do not pay list, that you don't actually pay it.
05:50None of those things are true currently.
05:52So the reason that departments can't pass audits
05:55is because the payments don't have a categorization code.
05:58It's like just a massive number of blank checks just flying out the building.
06:01So you can't reconcile blank checks.
06:04You've got comment fields that are also blanks.
06:06You don't know why the payment was made.
06:08And then we've got this truly absurd, a do not pay list,
06:12which can take up to a year for an organization to get on a do not pay list.
06:17And we're talking about terrorist organizations.
06:20We're talking about known fraudsters, known aspects of waste,
06:24known things that do not match any congressional appropriation
06:27can take up to a year to get on the list.
06:29And even what's on the list, the list is not used.
06:33It's mind-blowing.
06:35So what we're talking about here,
06:37we're really just talking about adding common sense controls
06:41that should be present that haven't been present.
06:45So you say, like, well, how could such a thing arise?
06:47That seems crazy.
06:50When you understand that really everything is geared towards complaint minimization,
06:55then you understand the motivations.
06:58So if people receive money, they don't complain, obviously.
07:01But if people don't receive money, they do complain.
07:05And the fraudsters complain the loudest and the fastest.
07:09So then when you understand that, then it makes sense.
07:14Oh, that's why everything just they approve all the payments at Treasury.
07:18Because if you approve all the payments, you don't get complaints.
07:22But now we're saying, no, actually, we are going to complain.
07:26If money is spent badly,
07:28if your taxpayer dollars are not spent in a sensible and approvable manner,
07:32then that's not okay.
07:34Your tax dollars need to be spent wisely on things that matter to the people.
07:39I mean, these things, like, it's just common sense.
07:43It's not draconian or radical, I think.
07:47It's really just saying, let's look at each of these expenditures and say,
07:51is this actually in the best interest of the people?
07:54And if it is, it's proved. If it's not, we should think about it.
07:58So, you know, there's crazy things like just cursory examination of Social Security.
08:05And we've got people in there that are 150 years old.
08:08Now, do you know anyone that's 150? I don't. Okay.
08:12They should be on the Guinness Book of World Records.
08:15They're missing out.
08:17So, you know, that's the case where, like, I think they're probably dead.
08:20It's my guess.
08:22Or they should be very famous, one of the two.
08:26And then there's a whole bunch of Social Security payments where there's no identifying information.
08:31Why is there no identifying information?
08:34Obviously, we want to make sure that people who deserve to receive Social Security do receive it,
08:40and that they receive it quickly and accurately.
08:44Also, another crazy thing.
08:46So, you know, one of the things is, like, we are trying to sort of right-size the federal bureaucracy,
08:51make sure that there needs to be a lot of people working for the federal government, but not as many as currently.
08:56So we're saying, well, okay, if people can retire, you know, with full benefits and everything, that would be good.
09:03They can retire, get their retirement payments, everything.
09:05And then we were told, this is actually, I think, a great anecdote,
09:08because we were told the most number of people that could retire possibly in a month is 10,000.
09:13We're like, well, why is that?
09:16Well, because all the retirement paperwork is manual on paper.
09:21It's manually calculated, then written down on a piece of paper.
09:24Then it goes down a mine.
09:26And, like, what do you mean a mine?
09:28Like, yeah, there's a limestone mine where we store all the retirement paperwork.
09:34And you look at a picture of this mine.
09:36We'll post some pictures afterwards.
09:38And this mine looks like something out of the 50s because it was started in 1955.
09:43It looks like it's like a time warp.
09:46And then the speed, then the limiting factor is the speed at which the mine shaft elevator can move
09:52determines how many people can retire from the federal government.
09:57And the elevator breaks down sometimes, and then nobody can retire.
10:02Doesn't that sound crazy?
10:04There's, like, 1,000 people that work on this.
10:06So I think if we take those people and say, like, you know what,
10:09instead of working in a mine shaft and carrying manila envelopes to boxes in a mine shaft,
10:17you could do practically anything else.
10:19And you would add to the goods and services of the United States in a more useful way.
10:26So, anyway, so I think, you know, that's an example.
10:31Like, at a high level, if you say, like, how do we increase prosperity?
10:34is we get people to shift from roles that are low to negative productivity to high productivity roles.
10:41And so you increase the total output of goods and services,
10:44which means that there's a higher standard of living available for everyone.
10:48That's the actual goal.
10:51Everyone's very quiet, by the way.
10:53Do people normally be this quiet?
10:56You're detractors, Mr. Moskowitz, including a lot of Democrats.
11:00I am detractors?
11:01You do, sir.
11:02I don't believe it.
11:03Say that you're orchestrating a hostile takeover of government and doing it in a non-transparent way.
11:09What's your response to that criticism?
11:12Well, first of all, you couldn't ask for a stronger mandate from the public.
11:18The public voted.
11:21We have a majority of the public voting for President Trump.
11:26We won the House. We won the Senate.
11:30The people voted for major government reform.
11:34There should be no doubt about that.
11:36That was on the campaign.
11:38The president spoke about that at every rally.
11:40The people voted for major government reform, and that's what people are going to get.
11:44They're going to get what they voted for.
11:46And a lot of times, you know, people, they don't get what they voted for.
11:50But in this presidency, they are going to get what they voted for.
11:53And that's what democracy is all about.
11:57Mr. Musk, the White House says that you will identify and excuse yourself from any conflicts of interest that you may have.
12:03Does that mean that you are, in effect, policing yourself?
12:06What are the checks and balances that are in place to ensure that there is accountability and transparency?
12:11Well, we actually are trying to be as transparent as possible.
12:15In fact, our actions, we post our actions to the Doge handle on X and to the Doge website.
12:22So all of our actions are maximally transparent.
12:25In fact, I don't think there's been, I don't know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than the Doge organization.
12:32And so, you know, the kind of things we're doing are, I think, very, very simple and basic.
12:39They're not, you know, what I mentioned, for example, about Treasury, just making sure that payments that go out,
12:46taxpayer money that goes out is categorized correctly, that the payment is explained,
12:51that organizations on the do not pay list, which takes a lot to get there, actually are not paid, which currently they are paid.
12:58These are not individual judgment decisions.
13:02These are about simply having sensible checks and balances in the system itself to ensure that taxpayer money is spent well.
13:08So it's got nothing to do with, say, a contract with some company of mine at all.
13:12But if there is a conflict of interest when it comes to you yourself, for instance,
13:16you've received billions of dollars in federal contracts.
13:20When it comes to the Pentagon, for instance, which the president, I know, has directed you to look into.
13:24Yeah.
13:25Are you policing yourself in that?
13:26Is there any sort of accountability check and balance in place that would provide any transparency for the American people?
13:33Well, all of our actions are fully public.
13:36So if you see anything, you say, like, wait a second, hey, that doesn't, that seems like maybe that's, you know, there's a conflict there.
13:43It's not like people are going to be shy about saying that.
13:46They'll say it immediately.
13:47Including you, yourself.
13:48Yes.
13:49But transparency is what builds trust.
13:53Not simply somebody asserting trust.
13:55Not somebody saying they're trustworthy.
13:57But transparency.
13:58So you can see everything that's going on.
14:00And you can see, am I doing something that benefits one of my companies or not?
14:03It's totally obvious.
14:05And we thought that we would not let him do that segment or look in that area if we thought there was a lack of transparency or a conflict of interest.
14:15And we watched that also.
14:17He's a big businessman.
14:19He's a successful guy.
14:20That's why we want him doing this.
14:22We don't want an unsuccessful guy doing this.
14:25Now, one thing also that Elon hasn't really mentioned are the groups of people that are getting some of these payments.
14:33They're ridiculous.
14:34And we're talking about billions of dollars that we've already found.
14:37We found fraud and abuse.
14:41I would say those two words as opposed to the third word that I usually use.
14:45But in this case, fraud and abuse.
14:48It's abusive because most of these things are virtually made up or certainly money shouldn't be sent to them.
14:55And you know what I'm talking about.
14:57It's crazy.
14:58But we're talking about tens of billions of dollars that we've already found.
15:05And now a judge who's an activist judge wants to try and stop us from doing this.
15:11Why?
15:12Why would they want to do that?
15:13I campaigned on this.
15:14I campaigned on the fact that I said government is corrupt.
15:17And it is very corrupt.
15:19It's very, very.
15:20It's also foolish.
15:23As an example, a man has a contract for three months and the contract ends.
15:28But they keep paying him for the next 20 years, you know, because nobody ends a contract.
15:31You get a lot of that.
15:32You have a contract that's a three month contract.
15:36Now, normally, if you're in a small.
15:38In all fairness, it's the size of this thing is so big.
15:42But if you have a contract and you're in a regular business, you end the contract in three months.
15:47You know, it's a consultant.
15:49Here's a contract for three months, but it goes on for 20 years.
15:53And the guy doesn't say that he got money for 20 years.
15:56They don't say it.
15:57They just keep getting checks month after month.
15:59And you have various things like that.
16:01And even much worse than that, actually, much worse.
16:04And I guess you call that incompetence.
16:06Maybe it could be corruption.
16:08It could be a deals made on both sides.
16:10You know where you get some money.
16:12He kicks. I think he has a lot of kickback here.
16:14I see a lot of kickback here.
16:16There's a lot of tremendous kickback because nobody could be so stupid to give out some of these contracts.
16:21So he has to get a kickback.
16:23So that's what I got elected for that and borders and military and a lot of things.
16:30But this is a big part of it.
16:32And I hope that the court system is going to allow us to do what we have to do.
16:37We got elected to, among other things, find all of this fraud, abuse, all of this horrible stuff going on.
16:45And we've already found billions of dollars, not like a little bit, billions, many billions of dollars.
16:52And when you get down to it, it's going to be probably close to a trillion dollars.
16:57It could be close to a trillion dollars that we're going to find.
17:00That will have quite an impact on the budget.
17:03And you'll go to a judge where they handpick a judge and he has certain leanings.
17:09I'm not knocking anybody for that, but he has certain leanings.
17:13And he wants us to stop looking.
17:15How do you stop looking?
17:17I mean, we've already found it.
17:19We have a case in New York where a hotel has paid $59 million.
17:24$59 million because it's housing migrants, illegal migrants, all illegal, I believe.
17:31And they were being paid twice the normal room rate at 100 percent occupancy.
17:34Unbelievable.
17:35So it's a racket.
17:36Can I ask you a question?
17:38If I may sort of just go in for the president's comments.
17:43At a high level, you say, well, what are the two ingredients that are really necessary
17:50in order to cut the budget deficit in half from $2 trillion to $1 trillion?
17:55And it's really two things, competence and caring.
18:00And if you add competence and caring, you'll cut the budget deficit in half.
18:05And I fully expect to be scrutinized and get a daily proctology exam, basically.
18:11Might as well just camp out there.
18:13So it's not like I think I can get away with something.
18:16I'll be scrutinized nonstop.
18:19But with the support of the president, we can cut the budget deficit in half from $2 trillion to $1 trillion.
18:25And then with deregulation, because there's a lot of sort of regulations that don't ultimately serve the public good,
18:32we need to free the boulders of America to build.
18:36And if we do that, that means I think you get the economic growth to be maybe 3%, 4%, maybe 5%.
18:43And that means if you can get $1 trillion of economic growth and you cut the budget deficit by $1 trillion,
18:49between now and next year, there is no inflation.
18:53There's no inflation at 26.
18:55And if the government is not borrowing as much, it means that interest costs decline.
19:00So everyone's mortgage, their car payment, their credit card bills, their student debt,
19:05their monthly payments drop.
19:08That's a fantastic scenario for the average American.
19:13I mean, imagine they go down the grocery aisle and the prices from one year to the next are the same.
19:21And their mortgage, all their debt payments dropped.
19:27How great is that for the average American?
19:30We had no idea we were going to find this much.
19:34And it's open.
19:35It's not, like, complicated.
19:37It's simple stuff.
19:38It's a lot of work.
19:40We can't believe it.
19:41A lot of work, a lot of smart people involved.
19:43Very, very smart people.
19:44But you're talking about anywhere, maybe $500 billion.
19:50It's crazy the kind of numbers you're talking about.
19:52It is really crazy.
19:53You know, normally when you're looking at something, you're looking for one out of 100.
19:58Here, you're almost reversing it.
20:00You look for one that's good.
20:02And you can look at the title and you say, why are we doing this?
20:05Why are we doing that?
20:06And the public gets it.
20:08You know, the public gets it.
20:09You've seen the polls.
20:10The public is saying, why are we paying all this money?
20:12This is for years.
20:13This has gone on.
20:15Go ahead.
20:17Wait.
20:18Go ahead.
20:19Senator Rand Paul today said that doge cuts will ultimately need a vote in Congress.
20:23Do you agree with that?
20:24Is that the plan?
20:25I really don't know.
20:26I know this.
20:27We're finding tremendous fraud and tremendous abuse.
20:30If I need a vote of Congress to find fraud and abuse, it's fine with me.
20:34I think we'll get the vote, although there'll be some people that wouldn't vote.
20:38And how could a judge want to hold us back from finding all of this fraud and finding all of this incompetence?
20:45Why would that happen?
20:47Why would even Congress want to do that?
20:49Now, Congress, if we do need a vote, I think we'd get a very easy vote because we have a track record now.
20:54We've already found billions of dollars of abuse, incompetence, and corruption.
21:00A lot of corruption.
21:02If a judge does block one of your policies, part of your agenda, will you abide by that ruling?
21:07Well, I always abide by the courts, and then I'll have to appeal it.
21:10But then what he's done is he's slowed down the momentum, and it gives crooked people more time to cover up the books.
21:18You know, if a person's crooked and they get caught, other people see that, and all of a sudden it becomes harder later on.
21:25So, yeah, the answer is I always abide by the courts, always abide by them, and will appeal.
21:31But appeals take a long time, and I would hope that a judge, if you go into a judge and you show them,
21:37here's a corrupt situation, we have a check to be sent, but we found it to be corrupt.
21:43Do you want us to send this corrupt check to a person, or do you want us not to give it and give it back to the taxpayer?
21:49I would hope a judge would say, don't send it, give it back to the taxpayer.
21:53Yeah, if I can add to that, what we're finding is that a bunch of the fraud is not even going to Americans.
21:59So I think we can all agree that if there's going to be fraud, it should at least go to Americans.
22:03But a bunch of the fraud rings that are operating in the United States and taking advantage of the federal government,
22:08especially in the entitlements programs, are actually foreign fraud rings.
22:11They're operating in other countries and actually exporting money to other countries.
22:15We should stop that.
22:18And this is big numbers, talking about $100 to $200 billion a year.
22:22Serious money.
22:24Mr. Musk, you said on X that an example of the fraud that you have cited was $50 million of condoms were sent to Gaza.
22:34But after fact check this, apparently Gaza in Mozambique, and the program was to protect them against HIV.
22:42So can you correct this statement that it wasn't sent to Hamas, actually?
22:46It was sent to Mozambique, which makes sense why condoms were sent there.
22:49And how can we make sure that all the statements that you said were correct so we can trust what you say?
22:55Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected.
23:00So nobody's going to bat 1,000.
23:02I mean, we will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes.
23:07So I'm not sure we should be sending $50 million worth of condoms to anywhere, frankly.
23:14I'm not sure that's something Americans would be really excited about.
23:18And that is really an enormous number of condoms, if you think about it.
23:21But if it went to Mozambique instead of Gaza, I'm like, okay, that's not as bad, but still, why are we doing that?
23:30Can you talk a little bit about how closely you're working with agency heads as you're directing these cuts?
23:37How much input do agency heads have when you're making these decisions?
23:42Yeah, we work closely with the agency heads.
23:45And, yeah, so there are sort of checks in place.
23:50So it's not just us just going in and doing things willy-nilly.
23:53It's in partnership with the agency heads.
23:57And I check briefly with the president to make sure that this is what the president wants to happen.
24:02So we talk almost every day, and I double-check things to make sure.
24:08Is this something, Mr. President, you want us to do this?
24:11Then we'll do it.
24:13USAID has been one of your main targets.
24:16Are you concerned at all that some of the cuts or that shutting that agency altogether may lead to diseases or other bigger problems,
24:24starting in other countries, that then come to the United States?
24:27Yeah, so that's an interesting example.
24:29So that's something where we work closely with the State Department and Secretary Rubio.
24:34And we have, for example, turned on funding for Ebola prevention and for HIV prevention.
24:40We love that.
24:41Yes, correct.
24:43And we are moving fast, so we will make mistakes, but we'll also fix the mistakes very quickly.
24:49Do you see it as a worthy cause, USAID?
24:53I think that there are some worthy things.
24:55But overall, if you say, what was the bang for the buck, I would say it was not very good.
25:00And there was far too much of what USAID was doing was influencing elections in ways that I think were dubious and do not stand the light of day.
25:12If I could just ask a follow-up to the Pentagon contracts.
25:15If you have received billions of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon,
25:19and the President is directing you to look into the Department of Defense,
25:22is that a conflict of interest?
25:23Yes, which we definitely need to do and are going to do at the President's request.
25:25Does that present a conflict of interest for you?
25:27No, because you'd have to look at the individual contract and say,
25:30first of all, I'm not the one filing the contract.
25:34It's people at SpaceX or someone who will be fighting for the contract.
25:37And I'd like to say, if you see any contract where it was awarded to SpaceX
25:42and it wasn't by far the best value for money for the taxpayer, let me know.
25:46Because every one of them was.
25:48The President said the other day that you might look at treasuries.
25:52Could you explain that a little bit?
25:53What kind of fraud, and that question goes to both of you,
25:57what kind of fraud are you expecting to see or do you see right now in U.S. treasuries?
26:02I think you mean the Treasury Department as opposed to Treasury Bills.
26:06You also referenced treasuries on Air Force One the other night.
26:09Go ahead.
26:10Well, as I mentioned earlier, really the first order of business is to make sure we're actually collecting,
26:17I thought my son might enjoy this, but he's sticking his fingers in my ears.
26:23It's a bit hard to hear sometimes.
26:24Hey, stop that.
26:29The stuff we're doing with the Treasury Department is so basic
26:33that you can't believe it doesn't exist already.
26:38So, for example, like I mentioned, just making sure that when a payment goes out,
26:42it has to have a payment categorization code.
26:45What type of payment is this?
26:48You can't just leave the field blank.
26:50Currently, many payments, the field is left blank,
26:53and you have to describe what's the payment for, some basic rationalization.
26:56That also is left blank.
26:58So this is why the Pentagon, when's the last time the Pentagon passed an audit?
27:01A decade ago, maybe?
27:03Ever? Really?
27:05And we want to just, in order to actually pass audits,
27:09you have to have financial information that allows you to trace the payments.
27:13And once in a while, the Treasury has to pause payments
27:20if it thinks the payment is going to a fraudulent organization.
27:27If a company or organization is on a do-not-pay list,
27:31we should not pay it, I'm sure you would agree.
27:34If it's quite hard to get on that do-not-pay list,
27:37it means that this is someone that is like dead people, terrorists,
27:43known fraudsters, that kind of thing.
27:47We should not pay them.
27:49But currently we do, which is crazy.
27:52We should stop that.
27:55And by the way, hundreds, thousands of transactions like that.
27:59You know, we have a big team.
28:01And for the sake of the country,
28:04I hope that the person that's in charge
28:07and the other people that report to me that are in charge
28:10are allowed to do the right thing.
28:12Namely, make sure everything's honest, legitimate, and competent.
28:16But we're looking at just, when you look at USAID,
28:20that's one.
28:22We're going to look at the military, we're going to look at education.
28:25They're much bigger areas.
28:27But the USAID is really corrupt.
28:29I'll tell you, it's corrupt.
28:31It's incompetent and it's really corrupt.
28:33And I can't imagine a judge saying,
28:35well, it may be corrupt, but you don't have the right.
28:38You got elected to look over the country
28:40and to, as we say, make America great again.
28:43But you don't have the right to go and look and see
28:45whether or not things are right that they're paying
28:48or that things are honest that they're paying.
28:50And nobody can even believe this.
28:52Other people, law professors, they've been saying,
28:55how can you take that person's right away?
28:58He's supposed to be running the country,
29:00but we're not allowed to look at who they're paying it to
29:02and what they're paying.
29:04We have massive amounts of fraud that we caught.
29:07I think we probably caught way over a lot of billions of dollars already
29:12in, what, two weeks?
29:14And it's going to go to numbers that you're not going to believe.
29:18And as I said, much is incompetence and much is dishonesty.
29:22We have to catch it.
29:24And the only way we're going to catch it is to look for it.
29:26And if a judge is going to say you're not allowed to look for it,
29:29that's pretty sad for our country.
29:31I don't understand how it could even work.
29:33I'm sorry, on the program, can you personally guarantee that
29:36Which one?
29:37The buyout program, the offer to federal workers,
29:39can you personally guarantee that the workers who opt in to resign now
29:43will be paid through September?
29:44Well, they'll get their money, but they're getting a good deal.
29:46They're getting a big buyout.
29:48And what we're trying to do is reduce government.
29:50We have too many people.
29:51We have office space.
29:52It's occupied by 4%.
29:54Nobody asked some of them, 48,000 of them.
29:57Gave them a five-year pass.
29:59And for five years, you don't have to show up to work.
30:02And let me tell you, this is largely, much of this stuff is because of Biden.
30:06It's his fault.
30:07He allowed this country what he did on our border.
30:11What he did on our border is almost not as bad as what he did
30:14with all of these contracts that have come out.
30:18It's a very sad day when we look at it.
30:21I can't even believe it.
30:22But many contracts just extend and they just keep extending
30:25and there was nobody there to correct it.
30:27And that cannot be, I can't imagine that could be held up by the court.
30:32Any court that would say that the president or his representatives,
30:36like Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of State, whatever,
30:40doesn't have the right to go over their books and make sure everything's honest.
30:44I mean, how can you have a country?
30:46You can't have anything that way.
30:47You can't have a business that way.
30:48You can't have a country that way.
30:50Thank you very much, everybody.
30:52Thank you very much.
30:56Thank you, press.
30:57Thank you, press.
31:00We'll be at the White House tonight at about 10 o'clock.
31:03If you want to come over you can say hello to Omar.
31:05Did the U.S. give anything in return?
31:07Not much.
31:09No, they were very nice.
31:11We were treated very nicely by Russia, actually.
31:14I hope that's the beginning of a relationship where we can end that war
31:18and millions of people can stop being killed.
31:21lost millions of people. They lost, in terms of soldiers, probably 1.5 million soldiers
31:28in a short period of time. We've got to stop that war. And I'm interested primarily from
31:33the standpoint of death. We're losing all those soldiers. And they're not American soldiers,
31:38they're Ukrainian and Russian soldiers. But you're probably talking about a million and a half. I
31:43think we've got to bring that one to an end. Okay? Thank you.