Taylor Swift feels she was used by Blake Lively in her war with Justin Baldoni, and she resents Blake calling her one of her "dragons" and leveraging her name.
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00:00We just broke a shocking story.
00:04There is a rift, and I think that is an understatement
00:08of a word, a rift between Taylor Swift and Blake Lively.
00:12Taylor feels like she's been used.
00:15Yeah, used in the middle of Blake Lively's war
00:19with Justin Baldoni.
00:21And there's certain things that we know Blake has said
00:25about Taylor in reference to that battle
00:29that do not sit well with Taylor at all.
00:32The one, the big one, dragons.
00:35So remember that what Taylor had told Justin
00:39was that Blake herself, she said, was Khaleesi,
00:43who was the queen in Game of Thrones,
00:45and Ryan, her husband, and Taylor were her dragons,
00:51her best friend, although I think best friend
00:53is now past tense.
00:55So here's the way the stage gets set.
00:58You remember there was a big meeting
01:01at Blake and Ryan's penthouse in New York City
01:04where they were going over a script change
01:06with Justin Baldoni.
01:08Justin said at the time, remember during all the lawsuits,
01:11he said he felt used, that he didn't know
01:14he was gonna be ambushed with both Ryan there
01:17and Taylor Swift there.
01:18And we're thinking, oh, well, Blake is saying
01:21Taylor was her dragon and she's there,
01:24so she got involved and to protect her.
01:27So we're thinking, wow, Taylor Swift
01:29inserted herself in this.
01:31That didn't happen according to our sources.
01:33No, what happened was more of a happenstance meeting
01:37between Taylor and Justin, and Taylor,
01:40well, I say happenstance, Taylor thinks
01:42it was done intentionally by Blake.
01:45So what happened was there was a two-hour meeting
01:48with Blake, Justin Baldoni, and Ryan Reynolds.
01:53At the end of the meeting, that was the time
01:56Blake told Taylor to come over.
01:59And Taylor had no idea that there was any meeting going on.
02:02No idea at all.
02:03That anybody else was gonna be there.
02:04And she believes, we're told, that Blake set her up
02:08and wanted her to come in when Justin was still there
02:10to show Blake's power.
02:12Right, which is how Justin received it.
02:15He said that in his lawsuit.
02:16Which you would understand.
02:17Right.
02:18So Taylor walks in, had never met Justin before,
02:23and just basically looks at him,
02:25and the only thing she said, we're told,
02:27is, oh, you know, good luck on your movie.
02:30I'm looking forward to seeing It Ends With Us.
02:33And she was saying that merely because she understood
02:35she was meeting her friend's boss.
02:37Right.
02:38Because Justin is the director of the movie.
02:39And it was that simple.
02:40That's all she said, we're told, and then Justin left.
02:44So she never, she never inserted herself
02:49in this dispute between Blake and Justin over the script.
02:53But Blake certainly made it seem that way
02:56with the text to Justin, and I think, honestly,
03:00that text to Justin is saying, look at the power I have.
03:04Right.
03:05I have Taylor Swift.
03:05Exactly, and we're told, too, that Taylor,
03:08because obviously these text messages became public
03:10in the lawsuit that Justin had filed,
03:13and when Taylor saw the actual text
03:17between Justin and Blake, you know,
03:19obviously she saw that Blake referred to her as the dragon,
03:23she's Khaleesi, and we're told that Taylor felt
03:26that's kind of weird to say about her friend.
03:28It's weird to call a friend a dragon.
03:32And, you know, Blake tried to say in her text message
03:35something like, you know, these two are my dragons.
03:37They stand up for me when I can't stand for myself.
03:40They're well-respected in the industry,
03:43and really was playing up, like you said, Harvey,
03:45all the power that both her husband and Taylor Swift had.
03:49And it seems like that didn't sit well with Taylor.
03:53No, no, no, no, we know it didn't sit well.
03:54And it got worse since then.
03:56Because then Taylor started to ask questions, we're told,
04:00and she's found out that Blake, according to our sources,
04:05has been name-dropping Taylor to kind of, you know, flex.
04:09Sort of leveraging Taylor, and specifically,
04:13in one instance, telling an actress
04:15that she had been cast by Taylor,
04:19that, you know, the way it's described to us
04:22is that Blake said to this actress,
04:23oh, Taylor is the one who wants you in this role.
04:26And we're told that Taylor had nothing to do
04:30with casting anybody.
04:31So there's just no question
04:34that this relationship is now fractured.
04:36And remember, Taylor is the godmother
04:39to one of Blake and Ryan's kids.
04:41So this relationship, the two of them were best friends.
04:45I mean, we saw them going out to dinner all the time.
04:48They were joined at the hip for-
04:51They were at the Super Bowl together last year.
04:53That's right, that's right.
04:54Don't expect that this year.
04:55I don't think so.
04:56Though, I will say the godmother part
05:00means that maybe there's a chance that they can
05:03or they will repair it just for the sake of the kid.
05:07But there's no question based on the people
05:09we're talking with, and let me just say,
05:11people we're talking with, no.
05:13That's all I'm gonna say.
05:15And Taylor Swift is unhappy, again,
05:19an understatement that she has been inserted into this.
05:23And by the way-
05:24And kinda used.
05:26Not kinda.
05:26Yeah, that's how she feels.
05:28She feels totally used.
05:30And I think one of the things that made all of this surface,
05:34we did a podcast, we have a new podcast,
05:36me and Mark Garagos, called Two Angry Men.
05:39And it dropped yesterday,
05:41and we interviewed Brian Friedman, Justin's lawyer,
05:45and I was grilling him on whether he was going
05:49to depose Taylor because the way it had been described,
05:51it certainly seemed like Taylor was involved in this.
05:54That's right, that's right.
05:55And he was kinda cagey about it
05:57because she was kinda the ace in the hole.
06:00But now it looks like this whole thing was a sham
06:06that Blake may have kind of built up.
06:09And I do not see that friendship lasting, frankly.
06:14Hi, I'm Elva from Latvia.
06:17I have to say that I'm really not buying it.
06:20Taylor is smart, and her team really is also smart,
06:24so I think she's kind of just staying behind.
06:26She doesn't wanna be in this drama,
06:28but they are close friends, and her music is in the movie.
06:32I feel like she really did put her finger into all of this,
06:35and I think we might see her in the trial deposed.
06:40I will only say to you, based on-
06:43Yeah, I don't think there's gonna be a trial either.
06:45But based on our sources, I think you're wrong.
06:50Especially if that really was the nature of,
06:52if it was just a passing, hey, I can't wait to see your movie,
06:55what is there to depose her about?
06:56There's nothing to depose her about.
06:58And they may end up doing it just to get that on the record
07:02because, honestly, if it's all true,
07:05it makes Blake look really bad
07:06that she's pressuring Justin with Taylor Swift
07:10and had kind of engineered that.
07:12So they might end up calling her just for that reason.