👉 Vecinos expresan su frustración ante la inseguridad y la falta de acción efectiva por parte de las autoridades locales. Denuncia que a pesar de los reclamos constantes, siempre hay excusas y los delincuentes terminan libres. Además, menciona que los políticos evitan enfrentar el problema hasta que las protestas se vuelven demasiado grandes para ignorarlas. Finalmente, relata un incidente reciente en el que él y su familia fueron víctimas de un intento de robo violento en su propio vecindario.
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00:00When you go to the municipality to complain, what do they tell you?
00:04Because what you just said, I imagine it must be the police station, the municipality, what do they tell you?
00:10And always, one who finds out, and the authorities have recently changed,
00:16or they tell them, we have bought the patrols, we have to wait for the staff to send us.
00:22Always, I insist, there is always an excuse.
00:26To the excuse, but after we catch them, but the justice leaves them, or the judge leaves them,
00:33or the prosecutor did not make the accusation that corresponded,
00:37then the door was left open, the defense lawyer appeared,
00:40and due to lack of evidence, the criminal ends up going home,
00:46and one still has to be giving answers in the sectional unit, right?
00:52In the police section, exactly, exactly.
00:54Do you live in that block or do you live in another block, Miguel?
00:58I live in this block, I know the block well.
01:03In that block, how many neighbors did you steal in the last few years?
01:10I'm going to be more precise, in the last 20 days,
01:15why are we going to talk about the past if we can talk about the present?
01:18The past has already prescribed, the present, which we are still in time to correct,
01:24because today, luckily, we talk about the bad aim of the criminal who shot two shots,
01:29but if he had hit one of the two people who were on board that cell phone,
01:34we are talking about something else.
01:36Let's look at the day before with the kiosk of Mar del Plata,
01:41we talked about a box of chewing gum saved his life,
01:45now the pepper spray did not reach him to save his life,
01:49because, unfortunately, he lost his life in that kiosk.
01:52In other words, the robbery has no limit,
01:57because it starts sometimes like a robbery and ends in a homicide.
02:02Now, when you go to the police station to complain,
02:06although you have commented on something,
02:08what is it that they tell you exactly, from now on, years ago,
02:12also up to now, what is the answer?
02:16I am going to be honest, I have not gone in these times to make complaints,
02:23because they say that they put an alarm, an alarm that they walk, they do not walk,
02:30but normally it does not work, it does not work,
02:33it is to say, as I said at the beginning,
02:36when one has to go, it is because the fact has already happened,
02:39it is going to be the complaint, it has not happened to me yet,
02:42that is why I speak on behalf of all the neighbors,
02:45so that what unfortunately happens to other people does not happen to me.
02:49This morning, did you act on the neighboring alarm?
02:53In the group we have 20 controls,
02:55we press, we press and the alarm does not sound,
02:58and it is from where the shots were, it is 15 meters,
03:02there in the corner above is the siren,
03:04we press and it did not sound at all,
03:07and not only our control,
03:09but most of us who are driving did not have control at all,
03:13so we are unprotected, as the man here says.
03:17Now, now I add something,
03:19because that neighboring alarm, who put it, the municipality?
03:25Exactly, it is like that, it was the municipality,
03:28the neighbors, what they put is, they put serpentine,
03:33the fabric that goes over the fences,
03:36they put the cameras,
03:39they put a sliding gate,
03:41so that the entrance or exit of the house is faster,
03:44in many cases they leave the vehicles on the sidewalk,
03:47to avoid opening or closing the gate,
03:52and so, days ago,
03:54And it is known why the alarm does not work?
03:56... of you, they covered ...
03:59Well, that would have to ask the people of the municipality,
04:02that they will have some explanation,
04:04I am the neighbor who pays the taxes,
04:07the municipality will have the answer.
04:10Maybe they gave him an answer,
04:12because he saw that, I'm not justifying,
04:14but I'm telling him that this is lack of control,
04:16sometimes they cut the cables, the criminals,
04:19as they do in some houses,
04:21to cut the alarm,
04:23because when they cut the lights in the pillars of the houses,
04:27like the houses that are there,
04:29the criminals cut the cables,
04:32so that the alarm does not ring,
04:34when a door or whatever is violent.
04:36So maybe they did the same with that neighboring alarm.
04:38What happens is that the municipality has to,
04:40every now and then,
04:41pass to control that it works.
04:43Today, the truth is that people made use of it,
04:47or wanted to make use of the alarm,
04:49depending on the fact of three and a quarter in the morning,
04:52the truth is that at three and a quarter in the morning,
04:54it is very difficult, except the thieves,
04:56who are willing to surprise,
04:58that the surprise factor is the one that plays in their favor,
05:02and the person who leaves the house,
05:04leaves thinking about the obligations
05:06that he will have to fulfill in his work.
05:08Instead, the thief comes with another purpose,
05:10and that's when incidents occur,
05:12like this case that summons us,
05:14and the alarm, one makes use of it in those circumstances,
05:17at three and a quarter in the morning,
05:19about the problem itself,
05:21there you realize the lack of operation of the alarm.
05:25What would you do?
05:26If you were the Secretary of Security of the municipality,
05:29to give security to the neighbors,
05:32what would you do?
05:33One or two measures that you take.
05:38Well, at this time,
05:39more control on the street,
05:41on the street there are many, many motorcycles
05:44that are without a license,
05:46people passing without a helmet,
05:48sometimes they say,
05:50we don't stop them because we don't have a way
05:52to take the motorcycles,
05:54that is, they shield themselves,
05:56there is always an answer.
06:01And as you said at another time,
06:03and if the police is really overwhelmed,
06:06that directly the competent authorities,
06:09I am referring to the higher authorities of the government,
06:13that ask for the intervention of the police,
06:16or the force that they believe convenient,
06:18that here we directly have to get rid
06:21of the political apprehensions
06:23and we have to ask for security for all the neighbors,
06:27whether they are neighbors of Moreno,
06:30of La Matanza, of Ituzaingó, of Morón,
06:33of the scope that is,
06:34we are citizens,
06:36life and family have to call us,
06:40not to let the criminal win the street
06:43and therefore have us threatened
06:45at our home.
06:47Of course, what do you want?
06:49That the governor of the province
06:51asks for help from the national government
06:53to send federal forces?
06:57And when one cannot respond
07:00to the neighborly or social demand,
07:03you don't have to feel less
07:05when you go out to ask for help.
07:07We, as a country,
07:09have always been asking for help.
07:11Today it is our turn, as neighbors,
07:13to ask for help.
07:15It is not enough with the police of the province,
07:17there are other instances of national forces
07:21that can provide in their own way,
07:23at their moment,
07:25the help that we are asking for.
07:28For example,
07:30the Secretary,
07:32the Minister of Security of Cordoba,
07:34yesterday was demonstrating
07:35that in a joint operation
07:37they were able to solve,
07:39they are lowering the security rates,
07:41with the contribution of other forces
07:43and that is why they are not going to feel
07:45the need to stop being Cordobeses.
07:47Are you sure?
07:49Now, do you think that
07:51that would help
07:53that federal forces join the province,
07:55as happened, for example, in Rosario?
07:57Something like that?
08:01Exactly.
08:03How many deaths did Rosario have
08:05so that later they had to go?
08:07And what did they have to agree on?
08:09The national authorities
08:11with the governor of Santa Fe?
08:13There is not much analysis to do,
08:15let's leave the ideological issues
08:17and let's move on
08:19to see the family,
08:21because the insecurity
08:23affects the radical,
08:25the union for all,
08:27the Boca or the River,
08:29whoever,
08:31I'm talking about insecurity,
08:33it affects everyone,
08:35they don't look.
08:37Besides, you can't live like this,
08:39the truth is that you can't live like this,
08:41in Argentina,
08:43in some places much more,
08:45in others a little less,
08:47but one goes out in all the places
08:49looking to the side,
08:51to the other,
08:53if you hear a motorcycle,
08:55look back,
08:57the body compresses,
08:59the body contracts,
09:01if you see someone running
09:03on a sidewalk,
09:05don't you happen to see
09:07someone running on the sidewalk
09:09and you notice
09:11the cardiological problems,
09:13the cholesterol problems,
09:15the diabetes problems,
09:17all that is the product of the nerves
09:19that live in the province.
09:21Today we are talking
09:23at 12.45,
09:25at 2.00, 3.00 in the morning,
09:27this man who went out to work,
09:29look what he finished,
09:31the remissary in the police station
09:33and luckily in the police station
09:35and not in a morgue
09:37and the car that the remissary
09:39in the attempt to escape
09:41collides with,
09:43who is it?
09:45The car,
09:47well the remissary
09:49when going backwards,
09:51as I told you a while ago,
09:53the cars that sometimes
09:55people leave them outside
09:57for security reasons,
09:59well those cars that were parked
10:01collided with them,
10:03obviously to preserve their lives,
10:05at that moment one forgets
10:07about the material,
10:09it is life, it is life.
10:11But no one is blaming the remissary
10:13for that car of a neighbor.
10:15No, no, I know.
10:17In addition to this,
10:19the attempt to rob,
10:21someone who escapes from that robbery,
10:23now the prejudice also for the neighbor
10:25because of the criminals,
10:27because this is the fault of the criminals,
10:29not the remissary.
10:31Of course, in fact,
10:33we later found out
10:35that he had been robbed on Quino Street,
10:37which I am talking about here,
10:39about 10, 15 blocks from where we are talking.
10:41That is, everything is the root,
10:43and we are talking three quarters of the morning
10:45and they already came with a mobile
10:47of a stolen car.
10:49Of course, of course,
10:51well, it is a constant,
10:53that is, the issue of car theft,
10:55what do you see there?
10:57Car theft, motorcycle theft, house theft?
10:59Well,
11:01the crime goes from minor to major.
11:03First it starts
11:05with the motorcycle robbery
11:07and then
11:09the opportunity depends,
11:11the opportunity
11:13causes the thief.
11:15Yes, that is, if you see ...
11:17Then after the motorcycle
11:19we pass the car.
11:21Exactly, then they pass the car, of course.
11:23But I say ...
11:25Before ...
11:27The largest number of robberies
11:29there in Tuzangos, what are they?
11:31To vehicles
11:33or to people on the street?
11:37Well,
11:39always
11:41with the person.
11:43Because ultimately, if someone steals the car,
11:45there is no one who says, well,
11:47I'm going to the insurance company
11:49to file a car complaint
11:51because I must have it against all risks
11:53and so on.
11:55But in this case,
11:57the police station, when there are injuries,
11:59we are talking about the use of weapons of war,
12:01they shot,
12:03it means that it was not a toy,
12:05but with a weapon
12:07enabled to shoot.
12:09No, totally, and it's also worth it
12:11within the criminal code.
12:13What happens is that later they are all free.
12:15Totally.
12:17Now how do they get free after having
12:19a number of previous crimes?
12:21Of using weapons, of shooting?
12:23I don't understand.
12:25Or yes, I understand, but I don't want to understand.
12:29Well, I'll help you understand.
12:31There are times
12:33when we ask for all the answers
12:35and solutions
12:37to the police personnel
12:39with the limitations
12:41of training and so on.
12:43But what happens?
12:45We have the other leg, which is justice.
12:47We, in the province of Buenos Aires,
12:49have, if I'm not mistaken,
12:5142 years of democracy.
12:53Yes.
12:55Of which 8 years
12:57were governed
12:59by the government of Armendari and Maria Eugenia Vidal.
13:01Yes.
13:03The other years
13:05corresponded
13:07to the Justice Party
13:09with its variables.
13:13And the judges
13:15and prosecutors.
13:17Who appointed them?
13:19In all those years.
13:21Obviously.
13:23Here, we,
13:25throughout the entire
13:27provincial territory,
13:29we always know, because you make
13:31complaints,
13:33of all the complaints there are
13:35or see suspicions
13:37of the growth
13:39of the heritage
13:41of the authorities.
13:43And no prosecutor
13:45asks anything.
13:47It's like
13:49Martin Fierro,
13:51to seven friends of the judge.
13:53He was appointed by them.
13:55There comes a moment
13:57in which we always wonder,
13:59and this has been for years,
14:01this is a reality too,
14:03but every now and then there are peaks
14:05of greater violence
14:07in terms of crime,
14:09with crimes,
14:11with much more serious crimes,
14:13much more serious
14:15than others, but homicide
14:17is the most serious of all.
14:19You can't live like this.
14:21I don't know, I always say,
14:23I don't want you to set an example,
14:25but I've said it several times,
14:27I say it because
14:29this is like crossing a river
14:31full of crocodiles.
14:33Several people have to go and cross.
14:35They know that one will be caught
14:37by the crocodiles.
14:39The rest, if they are taken care of,
14:41they cross. But it's like crossing a river
14:43at any time of the day,
14:45isn't it?
14:47Yes.
14:49You are here
14:51at La Movilera, your partner is
14:53here in Ituzengo.
14:55Paula, at this moment
14:57you are reminding me
14:59of the fact, if you remember,
15:01it will be, I don't know,
15:03about three years, four,
15:05the case of the Petinari family.
15:07Yes.
15:09They surprised that family
15:11inside the house at dawn,
15:13the lady lost an eye,
15:15the husband died.
15:17And one of the thieves,
15:19of course,
15:21in Padua,
15:23exactly,
15:25you are here,
15:27I am here in Ituzengo,
15:29we are 20 blocks away.
15:31One of the criminals was caught
15:33in the background of Ituzengo,
15:35where I am,
15:3725, 30 blocks away.
15:39So, if I know
15:41where the hot zone is,
15:43I imagine that the authorities
15:45have to know it better than me.
15:47Of course, they have the crime map,
15:49they have it, the problem is that,
15:51well, I don't know,
15:53after a while they will be asked
15:55what is the reason why they don't act
15:57on that crime map.
15:59But it's a whole set,
16:01the issue of security, the issue of justice
16:03and the issue of the political decision
16:05to act.
16:07If the neighbors
16:09really get tired
16:11and march,
16:13not to the police station,
16:15to the municipality,
16:17I think that's when things will change.
16:19Do you know why?
16:21Because the mayor,
16:23since they are politicians,
16:25they don't want marches, mobilizations,
16:27they don't want the photo,
16:29they don't want the cameras
16:31to show people
16:33in the municipalities protesting,
16:35they don't want security,
16:37they don't want 10, 20 people,
16:39well, it can be hidden.
16:41But when people really go
16:43to complain to the mayor
16:45that they do something,
16:47and not just the asphalt,
16:49which many say is not theirs,
16:51the mayor knows what's going to happen,
16:53as it happens many times in life,
16:55it's like the law of the chicken coop,
16:57many times, right?
16:59I'm not going to explain it,
17:01because many already know it.
17:03But the mayor knows what?
17:05He's going to talk to the mayor
17:07of the area,
17:09and he's going to say,
17:11old man, get in line,
17:13because people come to my municipality
17:15to protest against me.
17:17Get in line and start working.
17:19Put in jail those who have to be jailed
17:21and leave the prisoners.
17:23But what happens?
17:25People don't go out because they are afraid to go out.
17:27They are afraid to go out to protest,
17:29even to protest they are afraid.
17:31There are times,
17:33as you said a moment ago,
17:35there are times when people lose their fear,
17:37because in the case of the Zapetinari family,
17:39they lost their life inside their house.
17:41I mean, not even inside the property
17:43of the house,
17:45one is safe.
17:47As I was saying,
17:49the delinquents won the street.
17:51That's why I say,
17:53I say,
17:55the legislative authorities
17:57at the provincial level
17:59should interpel
18:01the secretary
18:03of security
18:05of the province
18:07of Buenos Aires.
18:09Because here they charge a lot
18:11for the salary,
18:13but they never give explanations.
18:15The little Lucas had to live there,
18:17in Moreno,
18:19and then come out to give an explanation,
18:21where practically the fault
18:23was the dollar,
18:25because the dollar was more stable.
18:27It won't be the first time
18:29that a minister of security will speak,
18:31a political minister, let's say.
18:33I would agree,
18:35I would be more enthusiastic
18:37if the minister of security
18:39would give explanations
18:41of the province,
18:43whatever it is,
18:45the minister of security,
18:47the prosecutor, who represents the prosecutors,
18:49and the head
18:51of the guaranty judges,
18:53who are the ones
18:55who, many times,
18:57say, no, leave him free.
18:59He gives freedom
19:01to the criminal.
19:03So, when the three legs are giving explanations,
19:05you know what? They're going to fight each other.
19:07Yes.
19:09Javier, that's why I said,
19:11that's why it's not casual,
19:13that they had, from the years
19:15that a political color governs,
19:17and who are the ones
19:19who designate the judges and prosecutors.
19:21Because afterwards,
19:23the judge is a friend,
19:25the prosecutor is a friend.
19:27Yes, that's why.
19:29But in the province of Buenos Aires,
19:31there are prosecutors,
19:33and the one who decides,
19:35by freedom, by action
19:37of investigation,
19:39is the guaranty judge.
19:41There are many who are rigid,
19:43they obey the law,
19:45they are very good,
19:47and even if the lawyer leaves,
19:49if he has to be in prison, he will be in prison.
19:51Because they don't sign the detentions.
19:53Yes.
19:55No, no, no.
19:57They download it with the code,
19:59the famous Perigil.
20:01But afterwards, when it comes to
20:03corruption crimes, all those things,
20:05there is always an open door,
20:07and there is always enough evidence
20:09to condemn,
20:11or keep them in custody.
20:13How can it be the case of the chocolates,
20:15that of the money,
20:17they are all with the rest of the miscellaneous.
20:19There is a criminal with the ankle
20:21on the beach in Mar del Plata,
20:23with the ankle.
20:25Among others.
20:27The homicide of the other day,
20:29that we showed yesterday,
20:31he was summering in Mar del Plata,
20:33a homicide, they were looking for him,
20:35they finally found him.
20:37The guy was summering in Mar del Plata,
20:39ten days ago,
20:41Maya and Ojotas arrested him,
20:43but in the meantime,
20:45Barro passed it,
20:47then we have,
20:49the State has
20:51a very large structure,
20:53but the famous elephant,
20:55which later serves us for nothing,
20:57a paquidermo
20:59that does not solve the problem.
21:01Why do we want to have
21:03such a large structure,
21:05if later it does not solve
21:07the small problems of the neighbors.
21:09Well, Miguel.
21:11The father of the boy who
21:13went up to the remit.
21:15Let's see, Paula.
21:17Oh, the image froze.
21:19Look at you.
21:21Well, the issue of the
21:23weather is also playing
21:25a bad game,
21:27technically speaking.
21:29Well, let's see, it has become clear.
21:31Why do we talk to Miguel?
21:33Because he speaks clearly.
21:35All the neighbors speak clearly.
21:37What do I want? Security, period.
21:39I don't want more grades.
21:41Then we look for the rest,
21:43security for the people,
21:45not insecurity,
21:47because people have insecurity.
21:49Going out on the street,
21:51crossing General Paz,
21:53walking down the street,
21:55going for a walk,
21:57going to a square,
21:59going to a place,
22:01that's what people are looking for,
22:03security.
22:05But I believe that it is not
22:07only the Minister of Security
22:09of the Province of Buenos Aires
22:11who is looking for security.
22:13Here, the police is always pointed out.
22:15It is true that there is a lot of
22:17failure, it is true that there are
22:19many suspicious issues.
22:21It is true that there are some
22:23who do not work as they should work.
22:25Most work well, but it is not enough.
22:27But let's also talk about justice.
22:29Let's talk about the justice
22:31that is still in debt
22:33with the people,
22:35not with the criminals, with the people.
22:37Paula, are you there?
22:39Yes, I'm with Pablo,
22:41who was watching A24,
22:43and he came here, he got out of the car
22:45to talk to us.
22:47He wants to talk to you too.
22:49He is the father of the boy who
22:51goes to work every day at 3.30 in the morning
22:53and has to go to work so early
22:55that he does not go in his car.
22:57He goes in slightly safer conditions,
22:59precisely,
23:01so as not to have to get out of the car,
23:03so as not to have to take a bus,
23:05not to have to walk at this time of the morning.
23:07Pablo, what do you read in this situation?
23:09No, I was just listening to him
23:11and I was there in the morning with them.
23:13I live here around a block,
23:15on December 27,
23:17they came to rob me of my house,
23:19here a block.
23:21They entered me from behind,
23:23they opened the window, they entered me.
23:25Were you at home or were you on the road?
23:27We were not.
23:29The lady just left from 6 to 10 at night.
23:31She left at 4 o'clock when she came,
23:33she saw the lights on,
23:35from there, cameras,
23:37alarms, security,
23:39because we thought we could live
23:41because I told the neighbors
23:43this was quiet,
23:45because we all know each other,
23:47but for three months ...
23:49Was he inside the car
23:51when the criminals shot
23:53or had not yet gone up?
23:55Through the application,
23:57I'm coming, I'm seeing,
23:59well, two minutes it takes,
24:01we can't be waiting.
24:03Two minutes that was it,
24:05that was coming out,
24:07and there he heard the gunshot,
24:09he went inside,
24:11and then he comes back to look for him,
24:13he went to the police station,
24:15all that.
24:17I wanted to add
24:19to what the neighbor said here,
24:21my son gets up every day,
24:23comes in at 4 in the morning,
24:25leaves at 12 noon,
24:27is a 24-year-old boy,
24:29worked, studied, licensed,
24:31he has to be locked up.
24:33When the other people
24:35do what they want,
24:37the person who does everything
24:39more or less moderately well,
24:41and if he had gone out
24:43two minutes before,
24:45maybe he would have been shot.
24:47And I wouldn't be here,
24:49that's where it comes out,
24:51the word facho is fashionable,
24:53the facho comes out,
24:55what am I going to do?
24:57But hey, I also wanted to add
24:59that I had contact with the police
25:01when they came to rob me of my house,
25:03the police came, acted,
25:05they took the fingerprints, everything.
25:07But nothing from the criminals?
25:09Nothing.
25:11Neither from your house, nor from these either?
25:13I had relatives,
25:15or well-known police officers,
25:17and they tell me,
25:19we caught him,
25:21we are writing to the computer
25:23and he is already free,
25:25and we have not yet made the report.
25:27Then you know where I live,
25:29because the policeman is a powerful man
25:31and lives in the same neighborhoods as them.
25:33So, well, I wanted to contribute
25:35that of the injustice
25:37that a boy,
25:39not because he is my son,
25:41who studied,
25:43works, gets up every day at 4 am,
25:45now I have to go
25:47look for him at the station
25:49because he comes to work.
25:51Can you hear us, Pablo?
25:53Yes, I can hear you.
25:55Thank you for coming,
25:57for taking the trouble,
25:59because the truth is that you have to be brave
26:01to get out of the house today.
26:03It is a reality, because one goes out and ...
26:05Yes, yes, but ...
26:07But you have to do it.
26:09The truth is that I agree with those
26:11who manifest themselves and ask,
26:13because at some point someone will have to give explanations
26:15or will have to do something.
26:17Now, you who lived it,
26:19you got into the house,
26:21you tried to steal at the exit to go to work.
26:23It seems to me that the feedback was cut.
26:25Can you hear us, Pablo?
26:27There they are changing the feedback.
26:29Ah, it was cut, Pablita.
26:31We are talking to Pablo.
26:33Can you hear us, Pablo, now?
26:37We are solving a problem with the feedback.
26:39Now, ask him,
26:41now he hears you.
26:43I told you.
26:45I always ask the question to everyone,
26:47because beyond the very similar answers,
26:49how do you live like this?
26:53Get out four times before.
26:55I work ...
26:57I am a physical education teacher,
26:59I work in a club where he trains,
27:01and we come at eleven at night,
27:03ten thirty at night.
27:05We look three times before.
27:07I don't know,
27:09there comes a time
27:11when you don't know how to live.
27:13I am quite confident of people,
27:15that is, I am the other extreme,
27:17but lately,
27:19with the pandemic,
27:21but lately,
27:23with the theft,
27:25with those things,
27:27you can't ...
27:29A couple of years ago,
27:31my wife and my daughter,
27:33here near El Gorki,
27:35near the Morón sports center,
27:37two motorbikes also approached
27:39and reacted by screaming
27:41and they ran away.
27:43Of course.
27:45One does not know how they react.
27:47Of course.
27:49It's okay for him to say it,
27:51but the guy ran away.
27:53Now he kills you.
27:55He doesn't ask you anything,
27:57you give him everything,
27:59and by doubt he shoots you in the legs.
28:01It doesn't matter.
28:03And what you were saying,
28:05Pablo, a little while ago,
28:07that the police tell him
28:09that sometimes they arrest the criminal
28:11for the tenth time,
28:13because many already know him
28:15by the nicknames,
28:17they go inside,
28:19they start writing the report,
28:21they don't finish the report
28:23and the guarantor gives them freedom.
28:25Right?
28:27Yes, yes, that happens.
28:29I already told you,
28:31as in all areas,
28:33there are good policemen,
28:35those who work,
28:37those who are all day on the street,
28:39there is the one who is in the police station
28:41looking for the night's meeting,
28:43but most are the ones who work.
28:45I can assure you
28:47that I was in contact with them
28:49because of my profession,
28:51and I can assure you
28:53that they work,
28:55and they are ten hours up
28:57to the police station,
28:59and they also get tired.
29:01Look, Pablo,
29:03I'm going to tell you something.
29:05Of course, but I think
29:07we have to change the judicial part,
29:09without getting into party politics.
29:11There is something about the laws,
29:13that the one who robs
29:15has to be punished.
29:17I'm going to show you something.
29:19Excuse me,
29:21tell me, tell me.
29:23Those who entered my house,
29:25those who entered my house,
29:27maybe they classified it as theft,
29:29or as intrusion.
29:31And how long were they there?
29:33Two days? Three days?
29:35And the fact that someone was in my house
29:37checking the whole house,
29:39no one takes it out of me.
29:41And the fact that someone was there
29:43is like feeling violated.
29:45It's a profanity.
29:47Entering someone's house
29:49is feeling that.
29:51That they were there,
29:53that they touched someone's things,
29:55that they checked the furniture,
29:57that they took it out,
29:59that's the feeling that all the victims have.
30:01Look, I want to show you this.
30:03I'm not going to say who it is,
30:05I'm going to cover it, of course,
30:07but there are several messages
30:09from police officers,
30:11from different forces.
30:13I'm going to read it in text.
30:15Yes.
30:17I'm watching your show.
30:19Do you know it's like this?
30:21He tells me,
30:23about what Pablo says.
30:25Do the police want to work
30:27or do they put everything they can?
30:29There are some police officers
30:31who obviously don't.
30:33He says,
30:35but here they don't get to work
30:37The prosecutors and judges
30:39are a disaster.
30:41It can't be that you catch
30:43criminals stealing
30:45and after three hours
30:47they are free.
30:49And one doesn't finish writing the summary.
30:51Incredible.
30:53Let's see.
30:55Javier, it's incredible.
30:57The neighbors who are watching A24
30:59are getting closer,
31:01they are joining.
31:03Just for a lady who comes by car,
31:05I say, do you want to join
31:07while we listen to you?
31:09And you know what he says to me?
31:11We are from the Suran.
31:13They are the owners of the car
31:15in which the criminals
31:17were driving,
31:19with whom they stole
31:21and with whom they went out to steal.
31:23I leave you in contact with her.
31:25What is your name?
31:27My name is Valeria.
31:29Javier Díaz is listening to you.
31:31Hi, how are you?
31:33I'm sorry, I'm going to be politically incorrect.
31:35I'm disgusted
31:37that this happens to the people.
31:39To the people and me included.
31:41No, it's terrible.
31:43I'm sick of it happening to everyone.
31:45They steal a car, they go and steal another one,
31:47they shoot, they hit.
31:49The other day,
31:51they take out the wallet, they throw it on the floor,
31:53they don't care about anything.
31:55They did the same to a grandmother.
31:57What did they do to you?
31:59Well,
32:01it was like that,
32:03that's why I hear it.
32:05The truth is that I thought it had happened to us.
32:07I say, has it been an isolated event?
32:09No, because a lot of things happen in the neighborhood.
32:11So I can't stop coming
32:13and getting closer,
32:15because this is what we need.
32:17To be heard,
32:19that the neighbors need more security,
32:21to feel accompanied, contained,
32:23because the alarms don't work.
32:25At three in the morning,
32:27I came back from my friend's house
32:29to have dinner, to be reunited,
32:31to see us on our way back from vacation.
32:33And my friend, her husband,
32:35decides to take me because it was late,
32:37it was going to rain.
32:39So, it's six blocks from his house,
32:41Blas Parera, and here, no,
32:43it's my house.
32:45And when we're arriving,
32:47there's a motorcycle that goes by at full speed,
32:49that catches our attention,
32:51and obviously, you're already used to it.
32:53It brakes, it waits, don't get out,
32:55my friend tells me.
32:57And at that moment,
32:59that we're paying attention to the motorcycle,
33:01that we think it's the one that was going to rob us,
33:03a car stops,
33:05raping birds,
33:07five guys
33:09get out,
33:11and they throw themselves over the windshield.
33:13It's a terrible scare.
33:15Get out, all a scream,
33:17my children inside, alone,
33:19because I'm coming back,
33:21all connected,
33:23also connected,
33:25well, let me know when you get there.
33:27My friend gets out,
33:29they hit him in the head,
33:31I get out,
33:33they take out my cell phone,
33:35they start a scream,
33:37they were very,
33:39the truth is that they were taken out,
33:41is the word.
33:43And after five minutes,
33:45that happens, not much more than that,
33:47a mobile phone passes by,
33:49I run it, because I'm already
33:51out of place,
33:53I'm already very nervous about the situation,
33:55and there they find out
33:57that it's happening at the same time,
33:59we are ten blocks away,
34:01at the same time this is happening
34:03with the remissary, with the Uber,
34:05so it's an unusual thing,
34:07they came from a root,
34:09one feels
34:11helpless, you can't do anything,
34:13I didn't know whether to get out of the car
34:15or not, because there you make a false move,
34:17they think you want to do
34:19something else,
34:21and today I can say
34:23that with my friend,
34:25we are going to remember this date,
34:27because it's like we were born again,
34:29because the two of us think,
34:31they throw us out,
34:33and we were not wrong,
34:35because five minutes later,
34:37or ten minutes later,
34:39ten more blocks,
34:41that is, these bad people
34:43shoot, that is, it is terrible,
34:45and I have adolescent children
34:47who dance again,
34:49and generally all the boys
34:51and most of them use Uber too,
34:53one trusts Uber,
34:55Uber is no longer good,
34:57my husband is a taxi driver,
34:59all my husband's friends are
35:01Ituzain Go taxi drivers,
35:03they are exposed to this,
35:05people get on, they steal them,
35:07I couldn't stop laughing,
35:09sorry, I'm still nervous,
35:11because 12 hours of this haven't passed yet,
35:13and well,
35:15one at that moment says,
35:17Valeria, Valeria,
35:19Valeria,
35:21but then you see that your word has to be valid,
35:23has to become visible.
35:25But that's why I always say something on TV,
35:27because in my habits,
35:29I am like that,
35:31what happens to you
35:33happens to us too,
35:35that is, we don't see it from the outside,
35:37the same thing happens to us too,
35:39I go out, look I've been a policeman
35:41for more than 18 years,
35:43and I go out in many places with fear,
35:45to the other, and my daughters, and where are you, and that is to say, we are not, no one is
35:49exempt, but living the way that is being lived is impossible. You go to other
35:54places in the world, because I always compare myself with the best, I'm not going to
35:57compare with a country that is a disaster, because you see here, and well,
36:01but there in Colombia, or in Peru, or in I don't know what, you see that always when
36:05they are going to other places, politicians are compared to that. No, I
36:09I want to compare myself with the countries where security is full, or almost
36:13full, practically, because there is always some inconvenience, but it may be that
36:17people now have to go out, under the rain, because they watch TV and say, I want to
36:22talk, I need to talk, because what Valeria is doing is getting out of that
36:26quarrel, unloading and crying, because she can't with the children, she wants the
36:34children to live free, well and without problems, and I imagine that you are with
36:39the heart in your mouth every time they go out, even if it's to the kiosk, or not?
36:43All the time, every night, because you can't, I mean, we are locked up and they are free,
36:50I mean, it's incredible. Exactly, exactly, she lived it.
36:57You go out, I mean, my son goes to the gym and I tell him, go without the cell phone, I mean, and he is already
37:03unconnected with me, but because of the fear that one has, and well, one tries not to
37:10think about it, it's not going to happen, and one always says, I see it on TV, it's not going to happen, and it took me a long time to come,
37:17it took me a long time, because I really didn't dare, in fact, my friend, the one who drove,
37:23didn't want to come, no, okay, no, I mean, he was also like shocked, bad, with the
37:28responsibility that he was taking me, the wife of a friend, I mean, he could also
37:35have accelerated forward, escape, they surrounded us, among five people, they surrounded us.
37:41I don't judge your friend who said I'm not going, just like other neighbors who don't want to talk, I don't judge
37:45the neighbors, for me, the neighbors are victims, all of them, the one who speaks, the one who doesn't speak, the one who
37:50passed it, the one who didn't pass it, the one who is afraid, the one who is not afraid, but you know that being brave, going out and
37:55talking is going to make things change at some point, there is no turning back, there is no turning back, in some things
38:02Argentina has had to change due to the disasters they have left, it will be better, it will be worse, I don't know, we'll see it later,
38:07a patrol car, but the truth is, how many hours have passed, there is a patrol car, the first patrol car that we see
38:14passing by, well, there it is, they must also be seeing A24, and well, and yes, but you know what happens,
38:20the truth is that today, we all don't sleep, we are up since that time, bad, but if we don't do this,
38:28you know what, nothing, nothing happens, that's why I say, you have to do it, you have to cheer up, you have to talk, I don't say to face
38:36the criminals, I'm not saying to face them, get rid of the fear to face them, no, because that's what
38:41Valeria tells, that's what Pablo told, these guys don't have a problem, they get together, they shoot,
38:47in addition, they go with the most dangerous thing there is, to carry a gun with your finger in the trigger, the most dangerous thing,
38:53but it's because you can kill yourself or kill your partner, but they do it because they don't
38:57care about anything, if they kill each other, well, it's a pain, partner, that photo they put,
39:03this one, we're going to miss you, the hat, they don't care, and they don't care much less, he's a neighbor,
39:11look at what Valeria says, I'm falling, what you say, Valeria, let's see, they pointed at me, I don't know if they were going to shoot me,
39:17I don't know if they were going to shoot me, ten blocks away, Pablo's son, who was going to take the uber, the uber,
39:24of course, he gets scared and goes back, and they shot him, they didn't have a problem, if they killed him, they killed him,
39:30in total, they were going to steal another car, Valeria, I ask you the same thing, and I asked Pablo,
39:35and I asked Miguel, neighbors, how do you live like this, how do you live every day like this?
39:41and well, one tries to have a positive mind, to think about positive things, but when it comes to you, it comes to you,
39:54and it's random, because if it wasn't him, it was me, if it wasn't me, it was my friend, that is, that is, and when one falls into the
40:01account, now one is going to be scared, locked up, six months, seven, until every time one hears a
40:10stop, he gets scared, he gets sick, things get mixed up, he gets scared, he doesn't know what to do, he doesn't know if you would throw yourself
40:17on the floor, if you don't throw yourself on the floor, you practice, you talk at the table, guys, and if they are going to steal it, you deliver everything,
40:24you do that, you enter, you open the door, it's like a whole family logistics to enter your house, it's incredible,
40:31no, no, you can't really, and well, nothing, sorry if I have a half-cut voice, but really, calm down, I understand you, but let's see, it's the impotence, I understand you, I understand you, the tears, I understand you, the anger, I understand you, that you are containing yourself, to say barbarities, I also know, what do your children tell you, what do they say,
40:54you saw that young people have another look and it seems that mothers or parents are exaggerated,
40:59or that we take care of them too much, that we overprotect them, but hey, it depends on each one, for example, I have three children, and it is the character or temperament of each one, one of my children
41:12claims to me, mom, sometimes you put me so much fear that I come to the collective looking everywhere and like I already have that fear, I can't get it out, and it's like that, and it's very sad, but hey, it's prevention, it's prevention, a glass of water like that, poor thing, the night that happened,
41:28the neighborhood calms down for a while, another neighbor approached, look, he came to do the shopping, and here they mark it and tell me, look, this neighbor was also assaulted, on Thursday, it was?
41:40Last Thursday, at four thirty in the afternoon, walking also on the street or with the car?
41:44No, no, I have a farm and they came, they broke the entrance of the locks and entered, then I looked through the cameras and I have it, it was closed, but in ten minutes, the police?
42:01No, no, yes, the police pass, but in less than ten minutes, in less than ten minutes, in less than ten minutes, well.
42:11Let's see, you too, you told me, you were also a victim of?
42:14I mean, I'm the woman, I mean, I'm a friend of Vale, I mean, I'm the woman who was robbed, and the issue is that we, yesterday morning, my son is in Hawaii, I mean, he does training here, football, and we were walking, eight in the morning, the car, and we weren't getting to Arena, but it was before, where the base was, and a boy was in front of us, I mean, walking, the boy passes us more or less a block,
42:39and he runs back, because a car brakes, a gray car, my son told me, it brakes, three kids come down from the 12th, they were 18, 19 years old, and the boy started running, and he says, run, run, because they want to rob me, they want to rob me, I thought they were starting to shoot,
42:51then I get in with my son in the reserve, so I'm all scratched, because we got in thinking they were going to rob us, maybe they didn't rob us or anything happened to us, but the boy who was in front of us, they tried to rob him and he ran, but it was crazy,
43:03because they braked the car, three kids from the same age came down to rob him, and here, it's six blocks from here.
43:09Paula, did you get the surveillance footage back?
43:11Good.
43:12Ask her.
43:13Did you get the surveillance footage back or not?
43:15No, no, no.
43:16These criminals don't know anything yet.
43:18Nothing about the surveillance footage, no.
43:19They don't know anything.
43:20There's a camera, there's a record, there are the images, but nothing yet.
43:23We didn't get anything back, nothing.
43:24Are there images of your robbery too?
43:26We don't know, I don't know if there are cameras there, we still don't ask if a neighbor has cameras.
43:31Do you know if they rang the neighbor's alarm, if it worked?
43:34I don't know. Vale, do you know if they rang the neighbor's alarm? Because she was in the neighbor's alarm.
43:39Because she said, I'm going, I'm going.
43:40The alarm, when this happened to you.
43:42There is a group of neighbors that we have very new, for some reason they are the things, I say, right?
43:47There is a group of neighbors that will have assembled this week, a few days ago.
43:51So, at that moment, that I am not in the group, I tell my husband, ring it, say it, look at it.
43:58The truth is that it is a way of taking care of each other, of protecting each other.
44:03Besides, people are also scared, sometimes they don't want to get involved.
44:06I saw that there was someone looking out the window, I don't know if I go out, if I don't go out, what happened?
44:10I mean, well, it's complicated.
44:13The police just passed by.
44:16Yes, the police just passed by, I guess because they were already looking for this car.
44:21The issue is that with that car, well, they stole my friend's Suran.
44:28And how can it be that still, that is, the impunity to continue.
44:33You just did that and you continue, and you continue.
44:36And well, nothing, I hope to add to this, contribute from my place.
44:44I am also a teacher, I work in schools that are in the neighborhood.
44:48One is here at 10 blocks, another is at 15 blocks.
44:51The boys are also exposed at noon.
44:54They come with a backpack, what can they steal from them?
44:56Boys, they can steal a cartridge.
44:59And so everything, we have to call the police and have them come and be at the exit.
45:04And insist, because they come, when something happens, they come once and they are there.
45:08And then, no, there is no police cordon for the departure and entrance and departure times of the school.
45:16And the boys are exposed, they come to physical education, counter shift.
45:19Times that are no longer at 3 in the morning, it is already 12 and a half at noon and it is the same.
45:25I mean, I live all this often.
45:30Yes, what would you do?
45:32Let's see, what is missing to do?
45:35We already said.
45:36And this mainly, vitalize, that's why I came here.
45:39But what is missing that you don't see, on the streets, I don't know.
45:46I didn't hear you, sorry.
45:47What is missing on the streets, what would you do?
45:49If you were a security secretary, what would you do?
45:52What is the first thing you would do to give security?
45:55And just that, provide security, approach here.
45:58Since when are we here?
45:59Someone came, someone introduced himself, asked us something.
46:03They have the data of everything, they have the data of my friend, they have the data of the boy.
46:06They know, we are neighbors.
46:08It's the other way around.
46:09No, if it goes viral, worse.
46:10No, shut up, don't say anything.
46:12No, enough.
46:13You have to talk, you have to say it.
46:15I think that would be what you have to do.
46:17Go house by house, looking for this, asking the neighbor what he needs, what he wants.
46:23Because the truth is that I don't dedicate myself to that, it's not what I take care of.
46:27I voted for them to protect me, to take care of the others.
46:31They are the ones who have that preparation.
46:34And one wants to put on a manifesto.
46:36Because I can say all this here.
46:38But it can stay in words, nothing more, really.
46:42And even in a couple of months, even anecdotally.
46:45And that's it.
46:46And I stay there.
46:47And every morning I get up and I see, I turn on the news.
46:50And I see that we all say, let's leave, let's leave.
46:53And there are families that don't, that don't leave, that lose a relative, that are bad.
46:58And no one approaches, no one asks you this, what to do.
47:01At this moment, out there, it's not the time for me to say what to do.
47:07It's taking care, it's planning it, it's a goal, it's a planning.
47:11There is a task that must be dedicated to this.
47:15A person, a leader.
47:18I mean, a planning, a logistics for everything.
47:22It's not just that I come and say.
47:24Because if not, I would have dedicated myself to politics, guys.
47:26I mean, do you understand?
47:28So, really, what I feel I can do is this.
47:33Unite, raise the voice, make it viral.
47:35Don't be afraid to stay at my house.
47:37Because let's see if he sees me on TV.
47:39And then he comes to my house because he knows where he stole my car.
47:42I mean, terrible, we live like this.
47:44I want that to be cut.
47:45The truth, the truth first.
47:47At some point, I hope this happens.
47:49And that it also serves what you said, Valeria, Pablo, Miguel.
47:53Well, the neighbors who have approached there.
47:55That's why we give them the microphone, the opportunity too.
47:58We don't just stay with the fact.
48:00What we also claim, security everywhere.
48:04It's not just on one side.
48:06There is no cheerfulness with pointing.
48:08Here there is insecurity in a lot of places.
48:10On one side more, on the other a little less.
48:13But there is no place where you say, there is no insecurity.
48:16Also, anyone can say, well, that's impossible.
48:18There is nowhere in the world.
48:20Yes, but the rates here in Argentina are tremendous.
48:24Tremendous, even when they go down.
48:26Valeria, we leave you.
48:28We leave you so that you go home and calm down a little.
48:31I hope it has served you too.
48:33I hope it serves the neighbors.
48:35It does me good to say it and express myself.
48:38I know, I know.
48:39It's what makes me better.
48:41I know, I know.