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- Barrister Aqeel Malik PMLN
- Mian Rauf Atta (Lawyer)
- Mujahid Islam Asif (Lawyer)
Kashif Abbasi’s Bold Analysis: No one is allowed to speak 'State Truth is the Only Truth
"Most people are walking with One Political Party Flag" says President Supreme Court Bar’s Analysis
"Judge Transfers Are Constitutional and Legal, Not Surprising" says Barrister Aqeel
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Faisal Choudhry (PTI Lawyer)
- Barrister Aqeel Malik PMLN
- Mian Rauf Atta (Lawyer)
- Mujahid Islam Asif (Lawyer)
Kashif Abbasi’s Bold Analysis: No one is allowed to speak 'State Truth is the Only Truth
"Most people are walking with One Political Party Flag" says President Supreme Court Bar’s Analysis
"Judge Transfers Are Constitutional and Legal, Not Surprising" says Barrister Aqeel
Imran Khan writes letter to COAS Asim Munir - What is written in the letter? - BIG NEWS
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:16In yesterday's Don Akhbar, the picture of the current state of the country was taken
00:20with great beauty.
00:21The state stands on four pillars.
00:24In the picture, the pillars of justice and the media have fallen.
00:29The parliament is hanging.
00:31The state is standing on the present government or administration.
00:36What will be the condition of the state on this present government and administration?
00:42By the way, if we draw the picture of Amriyat, then this picture also fits on the Amrana system.
00:48There is an Amir in Amriyat.
00:50By the way, there is no parliament.
00:53But if you want, a hand-picked, rubber-stamped parliament is made.
00:58It is made as it is now.
01:01PCO judges are appointed in the courts.
01:05The judge who is not ready to take the oath of PCO is sent home.
01:11The media is also tightened.
01:13No one is allowed to speak.
01:15The state is actually the truth.
01:19And it is also allowed to run.
01:21That is, all the pillars are there, but on the contrary,
01:25like this picture, they have fallen.
01:28As if they are not there.
01:30They keep falling like this.
01:32Anyway, we will talk more about this scene later.
01:37Today, the reason for discussing all this is Islamabad High Court.
01:40Three judges have been brought from the second highest court in the country to Islamabad.
01:44By the way, this work has already been done.
01:46Then why is it so short this time?
01:48Because what is being done is what it is.
01:51And why is it being done?
01:53There is a need to understand this.
01:55First, let's see why all this is happening.
01:58The government of Form 47 is doing all this to give weight to this system.
02:04Decisions are being made to fully control the system.
02:08So that the status quo can be maintained.
02:11Prisoners should remain in prison, rulers should continue to rule.
02:14This has been going on for the past two years.
02:17And it seems that efforts are being made to move this forward.
02:20If the government is acceptable, then it tries to strengthen the system.
02:25If it is weak, then it tries to control the system by force.
02:29It destroys institutions.
02:31It centralizes power.
02:33Anyway, a political party has been forcibly formed.
02:37The pillar that is standing in that picture is this administration or government.
02:44It is as representative and democratic as you and I know.
02:50It is powerful enough.
02:52Now, let's understand what is happening.
02:54First, we saw why it is happening.
02:56To maintain the status quo.
02:58What is happening and how is it happening?
03:00With the support of this parliament,
03:02controversial laws were made.
03:04Such decisions were made that had nothing to do with democracy.
03:09The 26th Amendment was amended to win the Supreme Court.
03:13To maintain the fake mandate,
03:16retired judges were appointed in election tribunals all over the country.
03:21All this was done through legislation.
03:23If someone protests in Islamabad,
03:25within three years, a law was made.
03:28So that they cannot protest.
03:30And when all this was not enough,
03:32the law of PICA was brought to control the media.
03:36So all this has been done by this parliament in the past few years.
03:41Now, the question is,
03:43why so much insistence on bringing the judges of Islamabad High Court?
03:46And why so much noise from the other side?
03:48With the 26th Amendment, the Supreme Court was fixed.
03:51It became a single bench.
03:53But one issue was still pending.
03:55Islamabad High Court was out of control.
03:58The Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court was to be elevated to the Supreme Court.
04:02After that, those who wrote letters in Islamabad High Court,
04:06you remember the letter that six judges wrote.
04:08One of the six judges who wrote that letter was to become the Chief Justice.
04:13Therefore, with the support of Article 200 of the Election Law,
04:16judges were imported from other provinces,
04:19so that the number and dominance of the opposing judges can be eliminated.
04:23And above all, the Chief Justice should be appointed as per his will.
04:27It seems that the Chief Justice will be appointed,
04:29the aim is to control and run the system as per his will.
04:34And of course, democracy will win in this.
04:38I hope you understand.
04:39With this decision, this thought becomes even stronger
04:42that the purpose of the changes made in the court and the legislation
04:47is to maintain this status quo.
04:51Judges also played a role in the destruction of this court.
04:54In the past few years, we have seen the role of judges.
04:57The High Court and the Bar Councils also played a key role in this destruction.
05:04The protection of justice, the vulnerable community is divided today.
05:08Whether it is the sign of the intervention of the judges of Islamabad High Court,
05:11the implementation of the decisions of the Supreme Court,
05:13or the 26th Amendment,
05:15in all these cases, the vulnerable leaders should stand with the powerful,
05:20not with the institutions.
05:22If the protectors meet with the occupiers, then there is destruction.
05:28Politicians also have a very important and key role.
05:31Laws, laws, democracy, freedom of expression,
05:35the strength of institutions are only put in opposition.
05:39And as soon as the government comes, everyone forgets.
05:42As soon as the government comes, the intoxication of power and chair
05:45compels you to do something like an evil elephant,
05:49whose concept is the opposite of the spirit of democracy.
05:53What did he say when he was in the opposition?
05:56Listen carefully.
05:57The issue is the disrespect of laws and laws.
06:00The time has come for us to raise the flag of justice.
06:04Blackmailing a person or an institution,
06:06blackmailing the court,
06:08and making their own decisions,
06:10there is nothing more disgusting than that.
06:12After attacking the judiciary,
06:14we are demanding that the President of Pakistan becomes a Mustafi.
06:17Why are you so afraid of those judges who stand for truth and rights?
06:21We have to follow the law and the law,
06:23or we have to let the law of the jungle continue to run in this country.
06:27We have with us Mr. Faisal Chaudhary,
06:29Imran Khan's lawyer,
06:30Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf's landlord,
06:31Mr. Balas Tariq-e-Insaf,
06:32a member of the National Assembly of the Muslim League Noon.
06:35We have with us Mr. Muhammad Dhruv Fattah,
06:37President of the Supreme Court Bar,
06:38Mujahid Islam Asif,
06:39Vice President of the Islamabad High Court Bar.
06:42The situation of both the bars is very opposite.
06:46In fact, for a long time,
06:48I remember,
06:49Mr. Iftikhar Chaudhary's movement was all about the bars.
06:52Rarely, there was some disagreement.
06:56Even the judges are writing that this is a matter of seniority,
06:59seniority cannot be formed.
07:01I don't think transfer is such a big issue right now.
07:05But why is there so much disagreement in the bars?
07:07First of all, Mr. Mian, Supreme Court Bar,
07:09why is there so much disagreement in the bars?
07:14In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
07:16I don't think there is much disagreement.
07:19Only the Islamabad High Court Bar has some disagreement.
07:22As you have seen,
07:23the President of Sindh High Court Bar,
07:26the President of Balochistan High Court Bar,
07:29and the Supreme Court Bar Association,
07:32the 17 executive committees,
07:3414 of them have endorsed this,
07:36that the decisions of the judges,
07:40from different provinces,
07:41are in accordance with the spirit of the constitution.
07:45Because Article 200 of the constitution
07:47gives the President of Pakistan the right
07:49to transfer from one court to another.
07:53From one High Court to another.
07:56Sir, but seniority,
07:57I am reading the letter of the judges, Mr. Mian,
07:59in that letter, there is a lot of disagreement.
08:02They say that this transfer is not so good.
08:07But they also say that there is no seniority,
08:09they will have to take legal action if they come here.
08:12Now there are six judges.
08:14Obviously, they will also have an understanding of the law.
08:17But the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan
08:20has welcomed him.
08:21Obviously, they will also have an understanding of the law.
08:25I would like to make a request in this.
08:27Article 200 is absolutely clear in it.
08:30He has told four stages of it.
08:33That the President of Pakistan has the right to it.
08:35And the judge he wants to bring,
08:37his consent is necessary.
08:39After that, the Chief Justice of Pakistan
08:42and the relevant courts,
08:45Sir, but is he the senior most?
08:47The question is,
08:49Mr. Mian, the question is, does he become the senior most?
08:54Look, I will tell you,
08:55whoever comes from there,
08:56he will carry his seniority.
08:58But there is another question on this, Mr. Mian.
09:00I am sorry, I am doing a quick fire
09:02so that I can go to the other guests as well.
09:04If you do this,
09:06then if you make this a practice,
09:11that you, like the senior puny judge of Islamabad High Court,
09:14Mr. Kiani,
09:15everyone knows that no one is happy.
09:17The judges are writing letters
09:18and were expressing a lot of difficulty.
09:20They were accusing him of being a traitor.
09:23It is very easy for the President of Pakistan and the government
09:26that a judge brings his consent from another court,
09:29makes him the Chief Justice,
09:31the court controls it.
09:33No, no, he is not bringing his consent.
09:36Look, you need four people for this.
09:41And there are four people,
09:43the President of Pakistan,
09:44the judge,
09:45the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
09:46and the High Courts.
09:47The judges,
09:48they are interfering in all the procedures.
09:51No one has deviated from there
09:53that I refuse.
09:54Therefore, on this basis,
09:56you can say that this is a bad policy.
09:59It will not happen by my saying.
10:00No one has said anything.
10:01Sir, but tell me one thing,
10:02you had put so much effort
10:04when a reference was sent against Qazi Faiz Issa.
10:06References are sent against judges.
10:08But you said,
10:09because he had given a decision.
10:10Because of this,
10:11the government is sending this reference
10:13against him in anger
10:15and to take revenge,
10:16to remove him.
10:17So, the reference itself is not wrong.
10:19Governments send it
10:21or go to the Supreme Judicial Council.
10:23But why it has been sent,
10:25you said at that time
10:26that why it has been sent.
10:27And you took a big position
10:28and took a stand in it.
10:31Yes, I had taken it at that time.
10:32But I will explain a little further after this
10:34that this is an appointment by transfer.
10:37When the appointment will be transferred,
10:40then whoever will come here after the transfer,
10:42he will carry his signature.
10:44From that date,
10:45from the date of the taking oath,
10:47his elevation,
10:49from that date only,
10:50his signature will be counted.
10:52He does not need to take a fresh oath.
10:54Okay, I understood what you are saying.
10:56Despite all that.
10:57Article 194,
10:59yes, Article 194 says clearly about this.
11:01Okay.
11:02Whoever has an elevation,
11:03before entering the office,
11:05it is necessary to take his signature.
11:07Mr. Mujahid, why are you putting on a show?
11:08This is an appointment by transfer.
11:09He will not take an oath.
11:10Okay, okay.
11:11Mr. Mujahid, why are you putting on a show
11:12that you are welcoming Steve Justice and Pakistan?
11:14You are welcoming all the other bars.
11:16You have put on a new show,
11:17but you have not put on the Islamabad bar.
11:21Sir, that is the same thing.
11:23Mr. Mian is right in his own right.
11:25But the situation is the same.
11:27There is a malice factor.
11:30Because if you look at the overall situation,
11:33then the whole body of Islamabad Bar,
11:37Bar Council,
11:39High Court Bar Association,
11:41and District Bar Association,
11:43are on the same page in this regard.
11:45These transfers,
11:47one is their timing,
11:48and second is the parameter of selection.
11:51The judges you have sent,
11:53they have a criteria, right sir?
11:56So you have sent the senior judges
12:00to spoil their seniority.
12:03Sir, but there is no restriction in the law.
12:05The other side will tell you,
12:06where is the restriction in the law?
12:10No sir, look,
12:12apart from this,
12:13there is also Article 175 of the Constitution,
12:16in which 14 years of time was given.
12:19If you count that,
12:20then that time is completed in 2024.
12:23Separation of powers.
12:25So after that,
12:26Article 200 is already redundant,
12:28if you look at it from one perspective.
12:29Because if they had amended it in the 26th amendment,
12:32then as per my understanding,
12:34I think that
12:35it still holds up to some extent.
12:38But because Article 175 says that
12:41within 14 years you have to separate
12:43judicial and administrative powers.
12:46So second is that
12:47if you give these holy powers to the president,
12:50then this is something that undermines the judiciary.
12:53The situation is still the same.
12:55Sir, the judiciary is already undermined.
12:57After the 26th amendment,
12:59it seems that
13:00whatever will happen in the judiciary,
13:02the judges will try to be happy
13:04so that they get good postings.
13:06This has become the principle.
13:08But was this the case?
13:10I will talk to my two lawyers present here.
13:13Mr. Barrister,
13:14won't this become the principle?
13:16That everyone will say,
13:17give good decisions
13:19and you get good positions.
13:21You will be in any benches.
13:22You will become the Chief Justice of the High Court.
13:24Just think,
13:25out of 60,
13:2635 positions are full
13:28and 25 are vacant in the High Court.
13:31Yet you have brought a judge from there
13:33to complete the numbers.
13:35When the President of Pakistan
13:37did the consultation process,
13:40it was clear that
13:42two or three judges
13:44who were being considered,
13:47because this is all about the Chief Justice,
13:51did not come.
13:53Or they did not give consent.
13:55So, obviously,
13:56they were considered.
13:58So, this is not surprising.
14:00Like other participants said,
14:02this is in accordance with the law.
14:04And it is in accordance with the law.
14:06Why don't the judges of the Istanbul High Court...
14:09See, I am very surprised about one thing.
14:11A long time ago,
14:12I was taught this lesson
14:13when I was in the judiciary.
14:14The law is the nose of a moth.
14:15When you want to turn it,
14:16turn it this way.
14:17I think this is also a case.
14:19The Chief Justice of Pakistan
14:21is saying that this is a good thing.
14:23And six judges are saying that it is wrong.
14:25I, Faisal, you and other participants
14:27are sitting here in this TV show.
14:29Do we include the legal wisdom
14:31or the wisdom of the President of Pakistan,
14:33the wisdom of the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
14:35the two relevant Chief Justices,
14:37in fact three,
14:38the Islamabad High Court,
14:40the Lahore High Court,
14:42the Sindh High Court,
14:43the Balochistan High Court.
14:45Do you think that
14:46all of them will be on one side?
14:48That all of them have the same consent,
14:51consultation,
14:52in all cases.
14:53This is not possible.
14:55Some cases are such that
14:57within the constitutional scheme of things,
15:00the constitutional stakeholders
15:02have considered this.
15:04And because it is written in the constitution,
15:07they brought it into force
15:09and decided on it.
15:11To put this allegation that
15:13perhaps,
15:14look,
15:15there can be a lot of objections
15:17in terms of timing.
15:18That this was not the timing,
15:20this should not have happened,
15:22and so on and so forth.
15:23I think that there are past presidents
15:25who we have seen 12 times.
15:27Sir, there are,
15:28but sometimes,
15:29I will give you an example.
15:31Aren't presidents supposed to
15:33complain against a judge
15:35in the Supreme Judicial Council?
15:37But then why were the Chief Justices
15:39standing for Qazi Faisal?
15:41Because there was a malefied behind him.
15:43The intention matches.
15:44There was a protest today.
15:46The protest was at the time of
15:48the elevation of Amir Farooq's
15:50Islamabad High Court.
15:51And he will tell you that
15:52for 15 days,
15:53he has repeatedly protested
15:54that why did the new judge
15:55come from Punjab?
15:56Don't do this.
15:57Because Pakistan,
15:58Islamabad,
15:59is the symbol of the federation.
16:01There,
16:02all provinces and territories
16:03have the right.
16:04Let them come from there.
16:05By the way,
16:06is the intention important or not?
16:07Look,
16:08our intention is clear.
16:09Okay,
16:10the call is over,
16:11Mr. Chaudhary.
16:12You are right.
16:13In Islamabad High Court,
16:15all of them were local.
16:17Which Karachi
16:18did Saman Rafat Imtiaz
16:19come from?
16:20Which Sindh
16:21did Shant Sahibab
16:22come from?
16:23In Balochistan,
16:24there is the concept
16:25of Pashtun Baloch.
16:26At least,
16:27that is their representation.
16:28You people
16:29read small provinces
16:30in such a way
16:31that they have no right.
16:32Okay,
16:33do you want to talk
16:34or should I also talk?
16:35No,
16:36you talk,
16:37you talk.
16:38But,
16:39Sir,
16:40I agree with him.
16:41I will also tell you
16:42in a minute.
16:43There,
16:44from Lahore,
16:45from Punjab,
16:46there were no judges.
16:47So,
16:48the Federation
16:49needed
16:50the representation
16:51of all four provinces.
16:52There,
16:53there is no judge
16:54in Islamabad High Court.
16:55All of them
16:56are from America
16:57who are there.
16:58I mean,
16:59they have
17:00a level of
17:01illiteracy.
17:02The 26th
17:03Constitution
17:04was brought
17:05because
17:06you wanted
17:07to destroy
17:08the system of justice.
17:09And,
17:10the whole
17:11point of view
17:12was that
17:13you want
17:14to put Imran Khan's
17:15cases
17:16to the interim judges
17:17or to transfer
17:18them to them
17:19and take
17:20the decisions
17:21of their choice.
17:22There is no other
17:23point of view.
17:24Election fraud,
17:25that is not…
17:26Chief Justice
17:27will punish
17:28Mr. Kiani.
17:29No,
17:30Chief Justice
17:31and Mr. Kiani,
17:32Mohsin Akhtar
17:33and Mr. Kiani,
17:34what is wrong
17:35with them?
17:36Their noses
17:37are crooked,
17:38their ears
17:39are crooked.
17:40I will tolerate
17:41it.
17:42The point is
17:43that you…
17:44You will learn
17:45it.
17:46You will have
17:47to learn it.
17:48No,
17:49tell me
17:50that you have
17:51brought a judge
17:52from number 15
17:53and what are
17:54the criteria
17:55for transferring
17:56you?
17:57And,
17:58in recent
17:59history,
18:00which transfers
18:01have been made?
18:02Now,
18:03Sardar Aslam
18:04and his
18:05talk,
18:06I will tell you
18:07that as well.
18:09I will tell
18:10you that
18:11as well.
18:12But,
18:13all Pakistan
18:14Supreme Court
18:15bar is not
18:16with you.
18:17Sindh High
18:18Court bar
18:19is not
18:20with you.
18:21You are
18:22saying
18:23that we
18:24will do it.
18:25In his
18:26eyes…
18:27Balochistan
18:28Bar
18:29Council
18:30Vice Chairman
18:31came and
18:32members
18:33from Punjab
18:34Bar
18:35Council
18:36were present.
18:37So I think on a 10-12 hour notice, only this much could have been done, which we have done.
18:42And our conventional...
18:44And this will continue.
18:45Mr. Mian, what are you seeing?
18:47Yes, obviously.
18:48Will the lawyers not be a part of this?
18:52No, the lawyers will not be a part of this.
18:54See, the All Pakistan Action Committee that they have created,
18:57they are doing a politically motivated campaign.
19:02Most of their people are from a political community,
19:05and they are carrying their flag forward.
19:07They don't want a safe court to be formed.
19:12When we spoke about the 26 amendments,
19:15after the 26 amendments, the court is safe.
19:17The broad practice of consultation that has been seen in this,
19:21and people have been made judges from remote areas.
19:25Before, judges used to come from the elite class, from different chambers.
19:29This is the first time that no one has raised their voice,
19:32that everyone has appreciated this.
19:34All the lawyers from every corner of Pakistan...
19:37So you are saying that this is a good thing, and...
19:39We have not appreciated this, sir.
19:41I mean, what is a bar council?
19:43Pujab Bar, Sindh Bar, isn't there a bar council?
19:45No, there is a difference.
19:46The role of the bar council, the bar association,
19:50frankly, is not worthy of our trust.
19:54Let's take a break, viewers.
19:56We will be back after the break.
20:00Welcome back, Naseem.
20:02The judges are back, let's see where this case goes.
20:05But one thing, Mr. Chaudhary,
20:07the letter was mentioned a lot today.
20:09You have been taken out of jail with a bombshell.
20:13Mr. Imran Khan has written a letter to the chief?
20:16Mr. Imran Khan...
20:17To the army chief.
20:18He told the army chief about this letter,
20:21that he has written a letter.
20:22And basically...
20:23How did he write it?
20:24Is there permission in jail?
20:26Yes, you can write a letter.
20:27You can write a letter.
20:29Which address did he write to?
20:30Army house, Rahul Pandey?
20:32Oh, the one who played my case,
20:34what answer is he going to give?
20:36This is beyond my case.
20:37Yes, this is beyond my case.
20:38You have to find out,
20:39that GHQ Rahul Pandey to DGISPR,
20:42please send it to the army chief.
20:43I know where to read,
20:45and where not to read.
20:46I know that.
20:47Very well.
20:48You have told me that.
20:50So, the issue is, sir,
20:51in that he has said that,
20:53Mr. Imran Khan basically...
20:55I told you not to forgive me.
20:57He has said about policy shifting,
20:59and he has highlighted six points.
21:02Policy shift.
21:03Policy shift.
21:04He has basically...
21:05Please forgive me.
21:06As a former Prime Minister,
21:08he has said that the army is ours,
21:10and the soldiers of the army,
21:12and the soldiers of the army,
21:13the army officers,
21:14should not be sacrificed.
21:15Let me tell you the statement of Bushra Bibi.
21:17Bushra Bibi had also given a statement
21:19in Peshawar,
21:20in which she said that...
21:21First, let me do it.
21:22First, listen to me,
21:23I will tell you why she did it,
21:24that we will not take revenge.
21:25I want to tell you.
21:26Yes, please tell me.
21:27So, after that she has said that...
21:30But unfortunately,
21:32there are some policies,
21:34because of which the conflict
21:36between the army and the people is increasing.
21:38And there are six points,
21:40which in her view,
21:41this conflict is her role in expanding.
21:44In that, first of all,
21:45there is election rigging,
21:47in which the minority government
21:49has been imposed on it
21:51by stealing the majority's mandate,
21:54and election fraud has been covered up.
21:56Then she has mentioned the 26th amendment,
21:59that the 26th amendment...
22:00She must have done a lot.
22:01So, you are saying that
22:02Mr. Khan told her something
22:03that she did not know.
22:05Mr. Khan has given his input
22:08on those six core issues,
22:10because of which this is a distance.
22:14Look, PTI is the largest community
22:16of the middle class,
22:17and the army is the largest
22:19organized institution of the middle class.
22:21So, we think that...
22:23Sir, as I mentioned earlier,
22:24I will tell you about Bushra Bibi.
22:27When she gave a speech,
22:30a press release...
22:32No, Mr. Khan did not say that.
22:34Listen to what she said.
22:47So, Mr. Chaudhary,
22:48a message has been given
22:50by Bushra Bibi.
22:52So, I think that PTI is...
22:54Are you running out of options?
22:56This shows probably
22:58that you are running out of options,
23:00because of which...
23:01You mentioned earlier
23:02that nothing will happen.
23:04Khan has forgiven her.
23:06He will not do anything.
23:07Don't worry.
23:08Even now...
23:10Do you think that...
23:11It's not about running out of options.
23:14It's about the future of the country.
23:17Look, there is instability.
23:19There has been political instability
23:20in the country for three years.
23:21Because of which
23:22the economy has stagnated.
23:23Because of which
23:24the Law and Order Association terrorism
23:26is increasing.
23:27Nothing is new.
23:28Nothing is new,
23:29but can this continue?
23:30Can this continue like this?
23:31But it is being run.
23:32No, it is being run wrongly.
23:33I want to know
23:34what is the reason
23:35that you thought
23:36that maybe they don't know all this,
23:38so we will tell them.
23:39Or...
23:40Everyone knows what it is.
23:42The issue is that
23:43you are saying that
23:44this is being done knowingly.
23:46No, I am asking
23:47why are you writing a letter?
23:48You are writing a letter
23:49because you are a former Prime Minister.
23:50Did you talk to him?
23:51He was asked this question.
23:52You don't talk to him.
23:53He said,
23:54whether he talks or not,
23:55it is his decision.
23:56As a former Prime Minister,
23:57the destruction that is happening
23:58in the country,
23:59what I see,
24:00my job is to mark it.
24:01How do you see this letter?
24:02I understand that
24:03he is saying
24:04that he will mark it.
24:05Probably it is signaling also.
24:06Whatever you call it.
24:07Look,
24:08as a political commentator,
24:09if you tell me
24:10what kind of letter
24:11has been written,
24:12I will say that
24:13again,
24:14the message
24:15that you are sending
24:16is a message
24:17that
24:19we are good people,
24:20we are not bad people,
24:21we will not do anything.
24:22We are good people.
24:23We are good people.
24:24For what reason
24:25are you saying this?
24:26How do you read this?
24:27Translate it
24:28and explain it to us.
24:29I will do it.
24:30The letter
24:31that was written
24:32in your memory,
24:33this is the whole matter
24:34that Professor Imran Khan
24:35through his letter
24:36has enlightened
24:37the Chief of Army
24:38of the United States
24:39of America
24:40and the entire world.
24:41He has enlightened
24:42the Chief of Army
24:43of the United States
24:44of America
24:45and the entire world.
24:46He has enlightened
24:47the Chief of Army
24:48of the United States
24:49of America
24:50with his wisdom.
24:51And what is that wisdom?
24:52That these are the six points
24:53and all these things
24:54on political point scoring.
24:55I think it is very simple.
24:56He has
24:57in writing
24:58In writing.
24:59Let's leave
25:00that he has written it.
25:01He has asked for NRO.
25:02He has asked for NRO.
25:03This is clearly NRO.
25:04I mean of course
25:05those six points are
25:06release me,
25:07release me,
25:08release me,
25:09forgive me,
25:10release me.
25:11What is there
25:12beyond this?
25:13Is it a softer message?
25:14I think
25:15he has tried
25:16because
25:17I don't understand
25:18because
25:19he has such a
25:20bipolar conduct
25:21in politics.
25:22On one hand
25:23he tells his supporters
25:24that the Army
25:25or the establishment
25:26should not have a role
25:27in politics
25:28and we will end it
25:29and so on and so forth.
25:30And then he writes a letter.
25:31When there is a talk
25:32of maintaining
25:33democratic attitude
25:34with political parties
25:35and sitting with
25:36political parties
25:37then they don't want
25:38to sit with us.
25:39They don't want to have
25:40any sort of
25:41political discourse.
25:42They don't want
25:43to talk,
25:44they don't want
25:45to sit with us.
25:46But
25:47they have to write a letter
25:48and then tell
25:49in the letter
25:50that this country
25:51has faced this problem
25:52and today
25:53Gauhar Sahib
25:54has said
25:55that this is a
25:56policy shift,
25:57this is a policy shift
25:58from their
25:59stated position.
26:00From what?
26:01But
26:02Bushra bibi
26:03has already
26:04given this
26:05programme
26:06but let's
26:07look at
26:08the stated position.
26:09Some time ago
26:10it was said
26:11that we should
26:12boycott
26:13products
26:14and
26:15that
26:16there is
26:17tyranny
26:18and
26:19there is
26:20authoritarian
26:21rule
26:22and
26:23we will
26:24not talk
26:25to them.
26:26The doors
26:27of conversation
26:28have been
26:29closed.
26:30This is what
26:31Khan Sahib
26:32has said.
26:33Khan Sahib
26:34has said
26:35that we
26:36will not
26:37talk to
26:38anyone.
26:39And
26:40then you
26:41try and
26:42open that
26:43door
26:44and
26:45then
26:46I
26:47will
26:48not
26:49talk
26:50to
26:51anyone
26:52about
26:53this.
26:54And
26:55if
26:56it
26:57is
26:58not
26:59like
27:00this
27:01then
27:02I
27:03will
27:04not
27:05talk
27:06to
27:07anyone
27:08about
27:09this.
27:10I
27:11will
27:12that cannot be ignored.
27:15I have said that we have sat down with the political parties and seen what they have done.
27:22We have not been able to meet the political parties.
27:24The political parties have repeatedly said that they have given India, but still they have not been able to do anything.
27:28So the issue is that they do not have their own space.
27:31But when you say normalization, please translate that for me.
27:34What does normalization mean in our country?
27:37Listen to me.
27:38Mian Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz are punished before the elections.
27:42Both go to jail.
27:43Normalization means that the platelets fall.
27:45Mr. Mian sits on a flight and goes to London.
27:47Maryam Nawaz starts her politics.
27:49That is called a deal in Pakistan.
27:51Which you are calling normalization.
27:53It is not that they will read a letter and say,
27:56Okay, bro. Bro.
27:58You are broke.
27:59No, the issue is that you are saying that Mr. Imran Khan has been suffering from his cases for a year and a half.
28:07Mr. Nawaz Sharif was also suffering for a year and a half.
28:09The deal was made after that.
28:10No, the issue is that he was a convict.
28:13The cases in which Imran Khan has been convicted,
28:15The cases in which Imran Khan has been convicted,
28:18There is a difference between heaven and earth.
28:20Conviction is conviction.
28:21You know that there is a political conviction.
28:22He was convicted in Panama.
28:24No, no.
28:25He was convicted in Panama.
28:27No, no.
28:28He was convicted in Panama.
28:30The issue is that
28:34The issue is that the government does not understand the pressure.
28:37The government does not understand the pressure.
28:38You need to adjust.
28:39No, no.
28:40The government understands that the Government has to bear pressure.
28:42When they know that the pressure is not going down,
28:44When they know that the pressure is not going down,
28:45and they know,
28:46Mr. Arfan Siddiqui said,
28:49Sir, people are not like Prime Minister.
28:50On the last day, everyone is telling that
28:52Mr. Imran Khan is suffering out of no confidence.
28:55Is the establishment behind him?
28:57Mr. Khan is not believing me.
28:59He is voicing against it.
29:00Sir, I will tell you the fate of this letter.
29:01I will tell you the fate of this letter.
29:03The fate of this letter is undelivered, return to sender.
29:06And this is its fate.
29:08And its fate is because they have said that...
29:11Okay, if it is delivered, then what is your problem?
29:13We are saying that return to sender, undelivered.
29:16No, they get angry.
29:17They say, oh God, what has happened?
29:19Write a letter, Yasu.
29:21The husband gets angry.
29:23He says, you got it, he wrote a letter.
29:25No, it's not like that.
29:27It's not like that.
29:29Then tell me your stated position.
29:31The jail is under the Punjab government.
29:33The letter should not reach there.
29:35Stop it.
29:37No, listen to me.
29:39Tell me, why is the letter not coming here?
29:43Today, what did Mr. Gauhar say?
29:45He said, he has written a will to the former Prime Minister.
29:48And he has made the party run.
29:50And he has made the party run.
29:52He asked him to question that this is a policy shift.
29:54He said, this is not a policy shift of the party.
29:56This is not a policy shift of the party.
29:58This is a policy shift of the party.
30:00You have taken them on by saying,
30:02boycott products.
30:04Yes, of course.
30:06That's your position.
30:08Who hasn't seen the videos of AI generated images?
30:10That's the position of the party, right?
30:12Now, suddenly when you say that we are going towards a normalization.
30:14No, where did this pity come from?
30:16Didn't Gauhar say?
30:18I am not privy of that.
30:20Of what?
30:22That you boycotted all the products.
30:24The milk cartons,
30:26even if you beep it,
30:28I am not advertising any product.
30:30But generally, whatever you have seen there,
30:32on social media,
30:34everyone has said,
30:36that you boycotted products.
30:38It was official.
30:40On the PTI official page.
30:42It was there.
30:44Please check it first.
30:46You don't know about your official page.
30:48You are commenting on us.
30:50Is there any PTI official page?
30:52I am not checking anything.
30:54This is the official page of our PM Alliance.
30:56No, that is not the official page.
30:58But on one hand,
31:00the letter that Mr. Khan has written,
31:02Tell me this.
31:04I don't see anything wrong with this.
31:06I just want to ask one question.
31:08I think it is good that we take this system
31:10to such an amiable place,
31:12where the system runs,
31:14not the people.
31:16The government should not be hand-picked
31:18to bring in Mr. Mian and Mr. Khan.
31:20This is the job of the government.
31:22We gave them a platform,
31:24not a forum.
31:26The TOR of that meeting,
31:28should be a system.
31:30We should have a Charter of Democracy
31:32between us.
31:34After that,
31:36we have talked about the Charter of Economy,
31:38we have talked about the Charter of Democracy.
31:40Tell me, in 2022,
31:42when Mr. Mian,
31:44this is already reported,
31:46had told Mr. Khan,
31:48that there will be a Charter of Democracy election.
31:50Who backed off?
31:52Everybody should know.
31:54Mr. Khan backed off.
31:56Mr. Mian did not agree.
31:58Mr. Mian did not agree.
32:00After the low confidence motion.
32:02Mr. Mian said,
32:04whatever was supposed to happen with us,
32:06has happened.
32:08Mr. Mian was right.
32:10The thing is,
32:12Mr. Mian should make a statement
32:14that there should be no role of the army in politics.
32:16Otherwise,
32:18everyone will support the Free and Fair Election Commission.
32:20You are absolutely right.
32:22In 2018, we were saying the same.
32:24Why did you come?
32:26Why did you take the power?
32:28Today, your party's own,
32:30Shaukat Yusufzai,
32:32has said on record,
32:34on your own channel,
32:36that there were 35 punctures.
32:3835 such people are being talked about,
32:40who have seen the statements,
32:42and have become MNAs and MPs.
32:44Do you know,
32:46who all have made videos?
32:48Let's move ahead.
32:50On 8th February,
32:52there is another call.
32:54Till now, there has been no Jalsa.
32:56Jalsa is in Swabi.
32:58They will not allow Jalsa in Lahore.
33:00Pakistan-New Zealand match.
33:02No, no, no.
33:04It is a tri-series match.
33:06It is a tri-series match.
33:08It is a tri-series match.
33:10No, no, no.
33:12Let's play a tear gas game.
33:14No, no, no.
33:16If there is a Jalsa in the match,
33:18then what?
33:20If there is a Jalsa in the match,
33:22then what?
33:24If there is a seminar,
33:26then what?
33:28We will shoot them.
33:30Don't do this.
33:32But what should happen?
33:34I said this in the opening.
33:36Does the opposition have the power
33:38to protest?
33:40They have the right.
33:42I am sorry.
33:44I think this is a right.
33:46I think this is a right.
33:48And right is a right.
33:50They should be given this right.
33:52They have this right.
33:54Subject to your approvals.
33:56No, not subject to our approvals.
33:58Subject to a few things.
34:02Reasonable exceptions
34:04provided under the law.
34:06And what are those?
34:08Consideration for security.
34:10You said it is a tri series match.
34:12And let them celebrate with Islamabad.
34:14But you are talking about Islamabad.
34:16Don't you know the situation?
34:18Did they even file a complaint?
34:20I was listening to the lawyers.
34:22But you yourself are telling
34:24them to invite them.
34:28So you and I said the three long marches.
34:30As Waqeel Bhai was saying,
34:32It is good to be an officer
34:34of all branches.
34:36We can say all the truths because they will call an American Timeline, we have already said it.
34:40Everyone knows what the intention is inside.
34:42Actually, we are based on intention.
34:45What is the intention?
34:46Intention?
34:47What is the stuffing?
34:48Intention?
34:49We have to appoint a Chief.
34:50We don't want Mohsin Afzal Giani to be the Chief of Islamabad-I-Kurt.
34:52What is the intention?
34:53The intention is not to let them protest.
34:55It is not that Sir, what is the security?
34:57Do it, do it.
34:58That is also a part of Pakistan.
34:59We are doing it.
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