👉 Luego del salvaje enfrentamiento entre dos facciones de la UOCRA, hablamos con Damián Vásquez, referente de los trabajadores El Obrador.
"Acá hay gente que quiere trabajar"
"Los que dispararon son de Florencio Varela"
"Acá hay gente que quiere trabajar"
"Los que dispararon son de Florencio Varela"
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00:00of one of the protagonists very well he approached the mobile Damien Vázquez very well
00:06the reference of the workers of the worker approach Damien please
00:11I understand before going out to the air if there was one of the results of a bullet wound
00:18I understand one of the delegates of the area first Pablo if it has to do with the
00:25UOCRA because the UOCRA in his statement the UOCRA at the national level central said that this
00:32had nothing to do with the UOCRA you have to see with the UOCRA Damien or not
00:37we are a group Saul Valdini that we are preparing for the elections in the UOCRA
00:44also said that the other boys are nothing but we are putting people we are
00:49whitening who are the workers of this worker then they are all from Majos they are all people
00:54here people from the local labor force but they are affiliated to the UOCRA they are affiliated they are
00:59whitened is more today they gave a bullet impact to the referent who does the work of his
01:04delegate they gave him here on the left legs and why do you see people identified with the colors
01:12of the Berazategui club shooting you say that they have something to do or not with the workers of the
01:17worker what happens is this there is a work that they take care of so much that it is a house that goes
01:21for people and that they come from Varela that they come from Varela to Platano and they break the cars
01:27all I think that the neighbors are going to leave even you from the house there must be people from a
01:31lot of sides that what they came to provoke were those of Varela and if we have the work here in
01:36Platano the other the other team is from Varela here they came they knew they were going to come we
01:43knew we had already called the police out of doubt as this is intervened we told the company
01:50that this is coming and they already did it in Aiza that there is a boy almost more they gave him for dead
01:55Aguilla Aguilera, this happened several years ago, they knew they were going to come, we knew they knew
02:00that they were going to be armed or that they could potentially be armed, they were going to come with so much
02:03hate, you can see that working well annoys them and where does the conflict between you and them come from
02:09and I for me that I think of the way to work well for us today the workers have
02:13all a terrible fear they want coverage that the police are all because if they were working
02:19well a year ago that they came to work with this company, they go to work, they keep raffling
02:24everything, it is seen that that gives a discomfort to these people, thank you, I thank you for the kindness of
02:31having approached you, we know that you have a partner, what I ask you Damien, what I ask you, that
02:37man in a t-shirt that has the Berazategui t-shirt that is on the motorcycle and shoots, do you know him?
02:43Yes
02:45No, you know what? At that time I was inside the company, now, just now, I was seeing everything.
02:51But is he a neighbor of yours or from the Contra?
02:53Is he a neighbor?
02:56No, it must be, I don't know who he is, if he's from the Contra, if I tell you, I'll lie to you, maybe if I tell you, but what they came to do in the conflict were the people from Varela.
03:05If the people from Varela didn't come here, they were still working with the local hands, as they had been doing from the beginning.
03:10But it will not be Damien that they will have come because they had work, because you were raffling more jobs and a social group, or are we talking about something else?
03:18Today with the need that there is, when we put 100 jobs there, it fills up, we put 10 jobs, it fills up the same, it's almost the same, you see?
03:28But nothing, we now have another company, we have another company that is going to take us back 100, 100 colleagues, because the businessmen are already tired of these people.
03:39Last month I had the trial of the Illicit Association, Illicit Enrichment.
03:43Does it have to do with Olmedo, with Jiménez?
03:45No, with Olmedo, with Jiménez, it's all the same.
03:50I, thank God, thank God, I have the paper there, I don't have a complaint, an antecedent, I don't have anything, the only thing I want is to work and get this out of the way.
03:59And since the intervener has also intervened, he doesn't show up, he lets these guys keep doing whatever they want.
04:06The truth is that this is a shame, because here there is a team that wants to work, there is a team that wants to work.
04:13Also the leadership, that also looks a little more for the youth, for those of us who want to do things well.
04:18Now, Damien, I ask you.
04:20Because I can't say that the same, this is wrong.
04:23Let's try to understand each other a little, because you say they came because we work well,
04:27so I don't think anyone generates such a dispute because they say,
04:31hey, how I envy them, how well the guys over there work, we don't work as well as they do.
04:36I don't think this is the nature of the conflict.
04:38Explain to us a little bit what this issue is, that there are jobs and they are raffled off.
04:43The work, who does it? The work is a private work, the UOCRA is called,
04:48and the UOCRA handles it for a greater number of people than the jobs that are given.
04:53Is that why it is raffled off?
04:55How is this, that jobs are raffled off?
04:57Of course, of course.
04:59Yes, each one has a...
05:01I respect the local hand a lot.
05:03If the house is in Berazategui, people from Berazategui have to come in.
05:07If the house is in Quilmes, the working hand has to be the closest one.
05:11These guys want to come from Varela to hit people from there.
05:15From Varela they want to hit people from Varela.
05:17Because they want to win everything from the old UOCRA, you see?
05:21With the strongest law.
05:23It is something that is really hurtful.
05:25Of course, each time they want to be stronger.
05:27I don't understand that each time they have so much impunity, these people.
05:30How are they still there?
05:32The truth is that I understand everything you say, and it even seems logical to me.
05:35If there is a work in construction in Berazategui,
05:37that by proximity, the workers who are also needing to work, right?
05:42Because you remember that the public work was halted.
05:46Now, I ask you, are any of you armed?
05:51No, we, as I told you, I don't have a complaint, I don't have anything.
05:56But then the people we saw shooting are from the group...
05:59Excuse me, excuse me for asking you so quickly.
06:02Yes.
06:03So the people who shoot are from Florencio Varela's group,
06:06who responds to Jiménez and Olmedo.
06:10Yes.
06:11Who are also fighting at the same time.
06:12No, no, no, Juan Olmedo, Juan Olmedo.
06:15Juan Olmedo.
06:16Juan Olmedo, I think that now comes one...
06:19Tell me, tell me.
06:21I think his name is Diego Tula, there is one.
06:24But well, they are the same factors that are always remaining, you see?
06:27They are more concerned with putting the machines,
06:31to do their business, than putting workers, you see?
06:34That's why the issue that today gives a lot of trouble.
06:36Ah, because there are other businesses behind.
06:38There are other businesses behind, some have third-party companies,
06:42and they hook their workers,
06:44and that's why there is interest, not because of the jobs for the people.
06:47Well, wait for me, Damian Gaby,
06:50who I also want to introduce to Leonardo Godoy, who is with us,
06:53and who also has a lot of street, and you have already seen this, Leo.
06:56Yes, yes.
06:57How are you, Damian? Good afternoon.
06:59Let's see, obviously these disputes within the UOCRA are repeated.
07:05Why are they so repeated? Why are they so violent?
07:08Why do they take firearms?
07:11What disputes are there in the background?
07:14And who do you respond to at the national level?
07:16How is it organized?
07:20Of course, yes.
07:22We are organized, we have the group presented in UOCRA Central.
07:26We are there, also asking to be heard, also.
07:30Also from above, at the national level.
07:32Because these things happen, and we don't receive a call,
07:37we don't receive anything, you see?
07:40This happens, as if all the drift was left.
07:42We are going to camp here tomorrow.
07:44The workers are going to camp, the police are going to continue to be there.
07:47Because here, everyone realizes that we, being here,
07:52if they didn't come, this wouldn't happen.
07:54How is the situation today?
07:57Who lets themselves be served food for their family?
08:00As much as he is a good man and everything, you are not going to do it, man.
08:05You had some...
08:06You are not going to do it, let them come, it's over.
08:08Did you have any kind of threat these days,
08:10taking into account that today, supposedly, there will be more work?
08:14No, we...
08:16They pass by the work, sometimes they shout,
08:18we are going to kill them, we are going to do this, we are going to keep working.
08:22They always said, let's go there, let's go there,
08:24but well, now they came,
08:26they called here at the station,
08:29and they all came walking, with rods, with revolvers, with everything.
08:33Now, Damien, we are not going to charge you,
08:37you said it well, the times are very hard,
08:39who is going to let themselves be served food,
08:41the public work is stopped,
08:43if there is a private enterprise...
08:45Well, let's see, you have 50 jobs,
08:48and you have, I don't know, 500 people, or more, or a thousand,
08:51wanting to dispute for those jobs,
08:53and on top of that, they come from another place.
08:55Let's say, what fails here is your mediation,
08:57forgive me for saying it this way,
08:59but you also have to be able to manage...
09:01No, no, it's okay.
09:02...between the delegates,
09:05you don't send people to rot,
09:07and we have to dispute for 50 jobs,
09:09body to body.
09:11It's not like that,
09:12how you would have to get a job in Argentina today.
09:14Yes, no, no, no.
09:17Correct.
09:18Here, look, this is tremendous,
09:21the hatred that people have,
09:23they broke the windows,
09:25people who work here in the neighborhood,
09:27who work with us,
09:29they broke the windows, the windows, the cars,
09:31they hit the neighbors, everything.
09:34And the people here know that we've been working for a year,
09:36and this has never happened here in La Obra.
09:38In fact, it's the first time we've had this with these people.
09:41It's the first time.
09:43We had previous history of the bad way of working they have.
09:46Well, let's hope it's the last one.
09:48Let's hope it's the last one.
09:49It's tremendous, huh?
09:50It's tremendous.
09:51Although it seems that it's not the last one,
09:53because of how they are handled in some sectors of La Boca.
09:55There is always one more surprise for all of us who are watching,
09:59and also for the workers who want to go get the mango,
10:03and they find themselves in this situation.
10:05Let's see, give me a minute, Gabi, Damián,
10:07because I want to go with more videos.
10:09Urgent, huh?
10:10With information from the last moment,
10:12with new videos of the battle at Campari,
10:14how they left the vehicles,
10:16they were parked in the place.
10:18The neighborhood turned into a battlefield, huh?
10:20Tremendous.
10:21You will know how to listen.
10:22Look.
10:26All the alarms that sound are of destroyed cars.
10:29Look how they hit them, huh?
10:32They are destroying the cars that are in the work.
10:34The trucks.
10:36What Damián was just saying.
10:38Let's take into account that there is one of the delegates
10:40who has received a bullet impact.
10:42There are six injured, 50 shots at least.
10:45Some were recorded by the camera,
10:47and also this new video that shows us
10:49what one of the people who is involved was just telling us,
10:54and who gave us explanations of what happened.
10:57That's how they destroyed the cars that were in the work.
11:00That work that was going to take more people,
11:02and that was somehow surpassed by a group of people
11:06who came apparently led, not from the place,
11:10but from somewhere else by a man named Olmedo.
11:14I don't know if Olmedo and Jiménez are there.
11:16They are the ones who are in a dispute,
11:18people who were family, who were father-in-law and son-in-law.
11:21They are in a dispute in justice,
11:23but apparently one of these factions
11:25would have sent all these thugs
11:27to destroy what we are seeing.
11:30Yes, I don't see people with the will
11:32to take a resume and look for work there.
11:34You can see them all hooded,
11:36some with mountain passes,
11:38they directly attack the vehicles, they break them.
11:40There is a work plate there,
11:42they knock on the door,
11:44they give everything that has streetlights, lights.
11:46I don't know, this is the way,
11:48this is the price you have to pay.
11:50That's how it is, that's why you have to go
11:52to get a job in Argentina, right?
11:54Now we are going to ask Fito,
11:56who knows a lot about the Gremial issues
11:59that he handles, right?
12:01Because this, more than going to people
12:03to look for work, it seems that people
12:05are going to say, to rot in another way.
12:07To rot in another way.
12:09He got a company to put 50 more jobs,
12:11well, hey, there are 50 more, huh?
12:13Yes, it's not the same for a guild.
12:15It looks a lot like a brawl.
12:17Exactly, it's not the same for a guild.
12:19I, who just started, I give you 50,
12:21when in reality the guild that is established,
12:23or at least the sector, not the guild,
12:25the sector that is established does not get anything.
12:27So I want to rot the ranch to the other.
12:29Exactly. Let's see, Fito,
12:31what do you see of all this scandal
12:33that the UOCRA is not used to, obviously?
12:39The first thing I see is the lack of work.
12:41Tremendous.
12:43Because this, when the public work
12:45is in full,
12:47these disputes
12:49are not given
12:51because it does not reach
12:53the amount of people
12:56to go to work to the construction.
12:58So the first thing I see
13:00is the crisis.
13:02When there is full work,
13:04they fight
13:06either for the machines
13:08or for the food,
13:10who gives the food, the workers,
13:12but not for the job.
13:14This is the worst of the fights.
13:16The peripheral business, you say.
13:18Yes, this is the worst of the fights
13:20you can see.
13:22Then when someone tells me,
13:25I always say,
13:27what Juan speaks of Pedro
13:29speaks more of Juan than of Pedro.
13:31Because for a fight to happen,
13:33there must always be two fractions.
13:35So I would like to delve
13:37deeper into this.
13:39Was it a draw to get a job?
13:41What's so true about that, Pablo?
13:43Let's ask him.
13:45Damián, you are live
13:47with Gabriel Prosper.
13:49Tell us a little bit about this system.
13:51Bobby just asked you.
13:53Yes, last year
13:55the construction began.
13:57This construction,
13:59among all the workers,
14:01office workers,
14:03there are about 200 workers,
14:05200 jobs here.
14:07And now it expanded
14:09a little more
14:11for each contractor
14:13who was going to hire more people.
14:15So, as they already knew
14:17that we gave more than 80 jobs here,
14:19we were going to do it again.
14:22So what you don't want is...
14:24Wait, wait.
14:26Pablo, excuse me.
14:28Damián, are you a delegate?
14:30I am a representative of the construction, yes.
14:32No, no.
14:34A representative is one thing.
14:36Wait, Damián,
14:38a representative is one thing,
14:40a delegate of the UOCRA is another.
14:42Are you there for the UOCRA?
14:44Yes.
14:46Do you have jurisdiction?
14:48As a group,
14:51we were...
14:53They are not here,
14:55they want to introduce themselves.
14:57There you go.
14:59We introduce ourselves
15:01in the Ministry of Nation
15:03with the paper
15:05and we are waiting for the election.
15:07In the meantime,
15:09my colleagues put me as a referent.
15:11The dissident sector.
15:13The UOCRA is intervening in that place.
15:15Yes, the UOCRA is intervening,
15:17but there are always delegates.
15:20The delegate.
15:22This has to be institutional, Pablo.
15:24Yes.
15:26Who is the delegate?
15:28Is he from your sector?
15:30The sub-delegate
15:32was the one who was shot in the leg.
15:34Two shots.
15:36I would like
15:38that the channels are getting ready
15:40to go to the hospital
15:42to make the report
15:44so they can see the boy.
15:46And the delegate?
15:48Can I ask a question?
15:50Yes, of course.
15:52If the UOCRA was not intervening
15:54in this section,
15:56the section covers the jurisdictions
15:58of Quilmes, Varela and Berazategui.
16:00That is, if there was a delegate,
16:02it is the delegate
16:04who is the general referent
16:06of all the works in this jurisdiction, right?
16:08Yes.
16:10He would be the secretary general.
16:12But now there is no delegate.
16:14Now he is intervening.
16:17The delegate in charge
16:19is Miguel Ángel Rojas.
16:21He is a boy who does not give an answer.
16:23You do not answer to Rojas, then?
16:25No.
16:27Rojas answers to the others.
16:29Did you declare rebellion?
16:31We kept working
16:33asking for a job as a group.
16:35We did not like the way
16:37the man worked
16:39and we decided not to work
16:41and ask for a job at the company.
16:43The UOCRA at the national level
16:46but we are all affiliated with the UOCRA.
16:48I have been working with the UOCRA for 18 years.
16:50So you are affiliated, but you are in dissidence.
16:52I don't know how many years I have been affiliated.
16:54Let's see, Pablo.
16:56Let's see, Fito.
16:58I'm going to explain to you how the Gremio world works.
17:00There is a secretary general who was elected
17:02by the comrades in an election
17:04or sometimes the sectionals,
17:06the delegations intervene.
17:08Intervened,
17:10it is always the higher power
17:12who intervenes
17:14that is, the UOCRA,
17:16the national, provincial or whatever,
17:18has the intervention.
17:20There is a normalizing delegate
17:22who is called to call the elections,
17:24but he is the one who has the power
17:26of all the rest,
17:28the comrades of the UOCRA
17:30or any Gremio
17:32to arrange the union representation.
17:34Then,
17:36from what I see,
17:38there is Damián with his people
17:40who create a group
17:43and they want to accept the decisions
17:45of that delegate
17:47who has the legality of the UOCRA.
17:49We have to see if he has the representation
17:51of the people,
17:53which is different to have
17:55the representation of the people than the legality.
17:57But we must always go first
17:59for the legality.
18:01Of course, yes, what cannot happen
18:03is that because they disagree,
18:05they all end up in the shots
18:07like a battle at Campala.
18:09Of course, I have also learned
18:12that in front of the shots
18:14no one goes with a revolver
18:16and the other with a fork.
18:18I was asking Damián
18:20if he recognized this person
18:22who is with the Berazategui shirt
18:24although the bars often
18:26put on the shirt of the opposite team
18:28and end up complicating the others.
18:30I wanted to ask him
18:32if he was detained
18:34and if this person had him unidentified.
18:36Do you know what is the fate
18:38of the motorcycle shooter,
18:40if he is detained?
18:42No, no, no.
18:44Are there detainees?
18:46We went to make the corresponding report.
18:48I know that they also went
18:50to make the corresponding report,
18:52but I don't think there are detainees.
18:54I'm still at work,
18:56imagine, I haven't arrived yet.
18:58How many injured are there?
19:00I think there are quite a few injured.
19:02From what I was hearing,
19:04what were you saying?
19:06What is your group's registration?
19:09The sub-delegate, you say.
19:11Damián, are you working on that work?
19:13Are you working?
19:15I'm still working.
19:17I'm still there.
19:19The workers are afraid.
19:21No, but you,
19:23in the work,
19:25what function do you fulfill?
19:27What work do you do?
19:29Or do you only have the function
19:31of a gremialist?
19:33Or do you have a specific job?
19:35No, no.
19:38I go, I come,
19:40we fulfill,
19:42we set the work rules
19:44that the company has all day.
19:46More or less.
19:48But who appointed you?
19:50Now this is starting to surprise me.
19:52Who appointed you
19:54or gave you that authority
19:56to supervise the company?
19:58If you are not a delegate
20:00and the ministry has not recognized you.
20:02How does that work?
20:04That's why we are doing it
20:06with the workers,
20:08with the company,
20:10to make a note to choose the delegate
20:12that is not messed up
20:14as these people do.
20:16But it is a single presentation
20:18that the ministry has not answered yet.
20:20No, he hasn't answered me yet.
20:22We already made the note, everything.
20:24That's why sometimes we have a problem
20:26with the good work we do,
20:28that we get to work,
20:30we ask for the clothes,
20:32that they pay you on time,
20:35so that it is understood.
20:37And for me to understand.
20:39You are a person
20:41who got together
20:43with another group of people
20:45that you claim ...
20:47No, I have a group.
20:49Yes, it is done.
20:51President, president's partner, vice president.
20:53The group is ...
20:55another delegate can go,
20:57another worker can go
20:59and make another group.
21:01That is the first step
21:04So, you made a group
21:06that you can do with 5 workers,
21:0810 or 100 or 1000, it does not matter.
21:10You did it.
21:12You do not recognize the delegate
21:14arranged by UOCRA,
21:16you presented a written
21:18in the ministry ...
21:20Answer me if there is something or not.
21:22You presented a written
21:24in the ministry by your own right
21:26and now you do
21:28the contractor of the work
21:30without the ministry
21:32has answered you
21:34and without the UOCRA
21:36has appointed you a normalizing delegate
21:38or a sub-delegate.
21:40That is the situation.
21:42No, no, of course.
21:44With the interventor who is in charge,
21:46the delegate in charge,
21:48we had communication a lot of times,
21:50we agreed that we were going to get together,
21:52that we were going to work
21:54and then ...
21:56I get the feeling,
21:58Damián, I get the feeling
22:01that you may have good intentions
22:03but you are cutting yourself
22:05outside of a union
22:07that is obviously questioned,
22:09that is intervened.
22:11I'm not telling you
22:13to be responsible,
22:15what I'm telling you is that
22:17you are wanting to represent yourself
22:19because you do not feel represented
22:21by those who are
22:23and those people who are
22:25do not want you to represent anyone
22:27and that's why they take you out.
22:30There is one thing
22:32that happens to us,
22:34the heads of the union
22:36are in trial for extortion
22:38and for attacks like this.
22:40The legitimacy of the union
22:42outperforms the people.
22:44The union association outperforms the people.
22:46There will be one person processed,
22:48there will be another one impeached,
22:50but there is one above,
22:52there are always other colleagues
22:54of the union
22:56who decide,
22:58for example,
23:00I agree with you,
23:02this does not mean
23:04that the other faction
23:06that has political or union legitimacy
23:08is going to shoot people who are working.
23:10Pablo, the shots,
23:12I was not there,
23:14I repeat,
23:16they are never on one side or the other.
23:18That's why I asked him
23:20if they were armed.
23:22It's like you said with the bravas
23:24that change shirts,
23:27so in these matters
23:29we must always resort to legality.
23:31We have to be in legality.
23:33I want to say this,
23:35because there are many people
23:37looking at their homes
23:39and thinking,
23:41I also need a job
23:43and I'm not going to look for it
23:45this way,
23:47or I'm not going to mess with someone else.
23:49We recently covered,
23:51but last week,
23:53I think on Friday,
23:56and everyone did it respectfully
23:58without fighting anyone.
24:00Let's see, Damián,
24:02I appreciate that you are there
24:04telling us,
24:06Fito has already given us
24:08a theoretical practical class
24:10of how it works
24:12and what is the legitimacy
24:14of the representation,
24:16but here it seems that
24:18they are disputing something else.
24:20The job position
24:22and the raffle
24:24I don't see organized people
24:26going with the resume
24:28and saying,
24:30I also want a position
24:32although I live a little further away.
24:34It seems like a power dispute
24:36where many more issues
24:38are mixed up, dear.
24:40There it goes.
24:42I just got a call.
24:44Guys, Damián.
24:46No, I just got a call.
24:48Now yes, now yes.
24:50I was asking you,
24:53we want to continue
24:55doing things right,
24:57so that these people
24:59stop doing so much evil,
25:01so that justice is done,
25:03so that the work is done
25:05for all the antecedents it has,
25:07so that the intervener
25:09does the job as it has to be
25:11or leaves,
25:13and we also want an answer
25:15from our institution
25:17because these things
25:19cannot be repeated.
25:22It intervenes to make a change
25:24and in the end it's all the same.
25:26Who does the work, Damián?
25:28Who does the work?
25:30The work has been around for a year.
25:32The company is Majo.
25:34It's from the municipality,
25:36I think it's from the province.
25:38Ah, it depends on the province.
25:40They are making homes
25:42for people, let's say.
25:44For the neighbors here,
25:46who are in a situation.
25:48I think it's also important
25:50who is leading the work
25:52to say, well, let's put some order,
25:54let's move things.
25:56And the order should be...
25:58The people in charge of the work
26:00haven't given any statement yet.
26:02Can I ask you...
26:04Damián.
26:06We have invited
26:08the intervener
26:10and he never came.
26:12We have invited him,
26:14we have sent him a WhatsApp.
26:16We have seen him in the Ministry of Labor
26:19and he never came,
26:21he never came.
26:23We have always been available to him.
26:25Damián, can you hear me?
26:27I can hear you, I can hear you.
26:29I have a doubt about what you answered before.
26:31Have you identified
26:33the one who shot the delegate?
26:35Do you know the man, do you know him?
26:37Not us, not yet.
26:39We don't know for sure
26:41who shot Facundo Alvaro.
26:43But it's not the one on the motorcycle.
26:45No, I don't know if it's the one on the motorcycle,
26:48I know it's one of them
26:50because of all the facts.
26:52Look, if you search in AISA,
26:54Walker in AISA,
26:56Aguirre Aguilera, the delegate,
26:58they did exactly the same thing.
27:00Today it was repeated three times.
27:02Damián, I was thinking about this.
27:04You watch
27:06for the compliance
27:08of the labor rules,
27:10right?
27:12For the workers to have the shoes,
27:14the helmet, the clothes,
27:17that's your function, okay?
27:21And who pays you the salary
27:23if you're not doing
27:25a job in the field?
27:27Who pays you the salary?
27:29The company,
27:31but it's a job what we do.
27:33It's a job,
27:35so it doesn't look like you're against me.
27:37No, no, no, no,
27:39Damián, not at all.
27:41It's a job,
27:43we do social work,
27:45we do work too.
27:47I'm describing,
27:49I'm asking you to understand
27:51because I'm describing
27:53when a union is intervening
27:55and a group comes
27:57and says,
27:59I'm the delegate,
28:01someone has to
28:03either work at 8 o'clock
28:05or work at 8 o'clock
28:07and does his job
28:09outside of 8 o'clock
28:11the company pays him
28:14the salary
28:16so you can do the job
28:18without union representation.
28:20So I wanted to understand
28:22what the modality was.
28:24Well, let's see.
28:26Give me a second, Damián,
28:28because while we're doing this interview
28:30Fabiola has contacted us,
28:32who is...
28:34Garcia?
28:36Fabiola Garcia,
28:38who is the partner of Pata Medina.
28:40You know that historically
28:43there were two factions
28:45the Medina one
28:47and one that broke up
28:49a few years ago
28:51which is the one of Iván Tobar
28:53related to the Barra Brava
28:55of Estudiantes de la Plata.
28:57Fabiola, we're listening to you,
28:59how are you?
29:01Good afternoon.
29:03I have you there,
29:05can you hear me?
29:07Fabiola is not here,
29:09we're going with Marcelo Padovani
29:11because she is part
29:13of a situation
29:15with similar characteristics
29:17that has been happening in La Plata for a while.