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00:00The craftsman's techniques are not just flashy.
00:05It's starting to look like a tower.
00:08It's a simple task that no one will notice, so I want you to take a look.
00:15It may not look like it, but it's a great technique.
00:21We came to Hotaku, Tokyo.
00:26Oh, here it is. Isn't it here?
00:30This is a tatami shop.
00:34Good morning.
00:36Nice to meet you. My name is Tobata.
00:39This time, I want you to see my amazing technique.
00:45Tatami craftsman Hiroshi Yanai.
00:48He has been making tatami for 35 years.
00:51He is a tatami craftsman who represents Japan, including general housing and gokokuji.
00:58It's amazing.
01:00I'm an order maid, so I make the shape that suits the room.
01:03I think it's okay to make one by one by hand.
01:08I think it's boring because it's a simple task.
01:11That's right. It's boring, but I want you to take a look.
01:16There are hidden techniques.
01:18Hidden techniques?
01:20In the process of making tatami, which we will show you now,
01:24Mr. Yanai's amazing techniques are hidden.
01:29Everyone, please take a look while predicting what it is.
01:34First of all, I will hit the tatami mat.
01:36Hit the tatami?
01:38Tatami mat is a part that is the foundation of tatami made of straw.
01:44It's easy to do, but tatami is very heavy.
01:48How heavy is it?
01:50It's about 33 kg.
01:5233 kg?
01:54I've never thought about it.
02:00It's a simple task to hit the tatami mat with a special tool.
02:05What are you doing this for?
02:07This is so that there are no gaps.
02:10I put it in more and more.
02:13It's like increasing density.
02:15That's right.
02:18The next step is to put the tatami mat on the tatami mat.
02:22This is the process of tatami.
02:25Put the tatami mat on the tatami mat.
02:30First, cut the tatami mat according to the size of the tatami mat.
02:35The tatami mat is an important part that determines the grade of the tatami mat.
02:40Where does the tatami mat make a difference?
02:45The tatami mat is made of two vertical threads.
02:52This makes the tatami mat stand out.
02:54Is this a good grade?
02:56This is a good grade.
02:58I temporarily fix one side of the tatami mat on the tatami mat.
03:04For some reason, the tatami mat rides on the tatami mat.
03:07I put the tatami mat on the tatami mat and bend it.
03:09Do you bend the tatami mat?
03:11I bend the tatami mat so that the tatami mat does not fall.
03:14I temporarily fix the other side of the tatami mat.
03:17The tatami mat is fixed to the tatami mat.
03:20The tatami mat is fixed to the tatami mat.
03:24I turn the tatami mat upside down.
03:26I sew the tatami mat to the tatami mat.
03:33This is a lot of work.
03:37This is a lot of work.
03:46I sew the tatami mat to the tatami mat.
03:54This is not difficult.
03:58I sew the tatami mat to the tatami mat.
04:07I sew the tatami mat to the tatami mat.
04:11I cut the tatami mat.
04:16I cut the tatami mat.
04:19It's hard to cut the tatami mat.
04:22Do you cut the tatami mat with this?
04:24I cut the tatami mat with a large knife.
04:29I cut the tatami mat.
04:31I cut the tatami mat so that the tatami mat does not cut the tatami mat.
04:38This is amazing.
04:40This is amazing.
04:43The sound of cutting the tatami mat is very good.
04:48I haven't cut the tatami mat at all.
04:51This is the skill of a craftsman.
04:54This is amazing.
04:57This is amazing.
05:00This is amazing.
05:02This is very beautiful.
05:04Thank you very much.
05:07I wrap the collar on one side of the tatami mat and temporarily fix it.
05:16This is fast.
05:18This is amazing.
05:20I finish this.
05:24This is the final process.
05:28I add a straw to the bottom of the tatami mat.
05:32I adjust the height of the tatami mat.
05:34The straw is layered on the tatami mat.
05:38The straw is a little heavy.
05:42I compensate for that with a straw.
05:44I sew a straw to the bottom of the tatami mat.
05:47I adjust the height of the tatami mat so that it is even.
05:51I put the needle up.
05:56I sew a straw to the bottom of the tatami mat.
05:59I sew a straw to the bottom of the tatami mat.
06:03You can adjust the height of the tatami mat with a straw.
06:08Have you ever done that?
06:10I adjust the height of the tatami mat with a straw.
06:14Can I touch it?
06:19I don't understand it at all.
06:22I sew a straw to the bottom of the tatami mat.
06:24I adjust the height of the tatami mat.
06:27The tatami mat is complete.
06:30I saw the process of making tatami mats.
06:32All the tatami mats were amazing.
06:34What do you want YANAI to see?
06:37It takes a long time to remember.
06:40But no one notices it.
06:43It looks plain.
06:45I don't notice it because it's plain.
06:48What is the most difficult process that YANAI wants everyone to notice?
06:58Everyone, please think about it.
07:01You adjusted the height of the tatami mat with your fingertips.
07:04Isn't it that feeling?
07:06I know the thickness is different.
07:09But I don't know how many straws I can take.
07:14It's a great feeling.
07:16The first thing to do is to hit the tatami mat.
07:21We don't know the process of hitting the tatami mat.
07:24I think it's the most difficult process to cut the tatami mat.
07:29What do you think?
07:32What is the most difficult process that YANAI wants everyone to notice?
07:37It's the process of cutting the tatami mat.
07:43The process of cutting the tatami mat.
07:45How difficult is it?
07:48I'm nervous.
07:49YANAI is challenging.
07:52Are you okay?
07:53I'm scared.
07:55I can cut it with a kitchen knife.
07:58But it's shaking a lot.
08:01It's shaking a lot.
08:04It's a completely different craftsman.
08:06The tatami mat is moving outward.
08:08It's impossible.
08:10I can't cut it straight.
08:13The cross section of the tatami mat she cut is uneven.
08:20YANAI doesn't just cut it straight.
08:25I'm careful about the details.
08:29Look at this.
08:32I know it's beautiful.
08:37Look at the cross section.
08:39Cross section?
08:41It's a little slanted.
08:44It's slanted.
08:49I look at the cross section of the tatami mat.
08:52There is a gap.
08:55But why is the tatami mat slanted?
09:00The tatami mat will come off.
09:03The tatami mat will come off.
09:05If the tatami mat is slanted, the tatami mat will come off.
09:09I make a gap so that the tatami mat does not come off.
09:14You make a gap.
09:17Even if the tatami mat is pushed out, the tatami mat does not push each other.
09:22I make a gap.
09:25You need a lot of technology for that.
09:28There is a hint in how to use the kitchen knife.
09:32I focus on one point and cut it.
09:35I focus on one point and cut it.
09:38I look at this part.
09:41I look at this part at a certain angle.
09:44I look at this part at a certain angle and cut it.
09:50He is a craftsman who focuses on one point of a large kitchen knife.
09:57How many years can you do this?
09:59Can you show me the technique you want to see?
10:02I understand.
10:03Thank you very much.
10:04He is sober, so he doesn't show off his skills.
10:09He is a tatami mat craftsman.
10:12He is a tatami mat craftsman.
10:16He is a tatami mat craftsman.
10:19He is a tatami mat craftsman.
10:21I will do it.
10:24He made it at an angle.
10:26It was an angle.
10:28He knew how hard it was.
10:31He didn't make any mistakes.
10:33He is amazing.
10:36He focuses all his attention on one point of the big kitchen knife.
10:40He focuses all his attention on one point of the big kitchen knife.
10:42He cuts with a precise angle.
10:45This technique
10:47It took 5 years to master
11:01Everyone, if you see tatami, please remember this technique
11:08Next is Harada Sakan Kogyosho, who has been doing this for 75 years
11:15Sakan Kogyosho is a Japanese company that makes various walls from houses to commercial buildings
11:23The person who came up with the name of this technique is
11:28Sakan Kogyosho's 32-year-old master, Yokoyama Eiichi
11:34I don't think the general public can understand the finish
11:37It's just painting and that's it
11:39I'd like you to see what I'm actually doing and see how amazing it is
11:46First, let's take a look at Sakan Kogyosho's general work process
11:51First of all, you need a primer
11:54At the moment, the primer is finished here
11:57From here, this is a situation where the primer has not been applied yet
12:01There is a step
12:02There is a step here
12:03First, apply the primer flat
12:07A special primer is used
12:12First, start painting from the steps
12:14Flatten the whole thing and make the base for wall painting
12:21And when the primer is finished
12:24This is the plaster
12:27Plaster is a material that produces plaster
12:34The process of making a plaster to be applied to the wall when finishing
12:43Wow, that's amazing
12:45There is a softness of your own preference
12:49While adjusting the hardness of the surface, you can see the softness of the material with the naked eye
12:56Adjust the hardness according to the temperature and humidity of the day
13:03Only rely on the feeling transmitted from the mixer
13:11And paint the whole plaster and finish the wall
13:22After painting once, attach the pattern
13:25Pattern
13:27I'll put it on
13:32Oh, that's what a pattern is
13:34That's right
13:35I've seen this kind of wall
13:37Show it three-dimensionally
13:40What kind of pattern is this?
13:42This is an art random
13:44Art random
13:48Finishing with a pattern using an iron
13:51That's how you do it
13:53It looks easy at first glance
13:58But when you try it
14:00No, it's difficult
14:03You can't even paint a pattern or a plaster
14:07Difficult
14:08So, Mr. Yokoyama wants you to see
14:11What is a simple but amazing technique?
14:14It's a pattern
14:15You can put on various patterns
14:17The difficulty changes depending on that
14:20I see
14:21This time, we'll compare the difficulty of the three patterns
14:26Mr. Uwa, please look at these three patterns
14:29These are the patterns I often see
14:31That's right
14:33This is a pattern using an iron
14:35Pattern using an iron
14:37This is a flat pattern
14:40This is a pattern using an iron
14:44All of them look difficult
14:47Which one is difficult?
14:50Mr. Yokoyama wants you to see
14:53What is the most difficult pattern using a simple but amazing technique?
14:58The pattern using an iron
15:01It looks like it's going to overlap
15:04It looks difficult
15:07When you put on that pattern
15:09The bottom part comes out
15:12So, it's difficult to make it even
15:14The pattern using an iron
15:17It looks like it's going to overlap
15:19I thought it was a uniform pattern
15:22It's difficult to make it flat
15:26It's difficult to make it even
15:30Why?
15:31It's a taste
15:32I'm angry with the way you say it
15:33I'm angry with the way you say it
15:34I'll go with the iron pattern
15:36I'll go with the iron pattern
15:38The iron pattern is very difficult
15:40The pattern is the source of future English
15:45So, each one has to be the same
15:48What's the 3rd place?
15:50The 3rd place is this
15:52Kotenami
15:54Just like the name Kotenami
15:56Using an iron to make a wave pattern
15:59If it's a wave pattern, it looks easy
16:02So, with the iron already on
16:06Mr. Yokoyama is going to try Kotenami
16:09You said it was easy
16:10You're going to make a wave pattern with an iron
16:12It might be possible
16:14It's not working at all
16:16There's a hole here
16:19It's so far from the Kotenami pattern
16:23Mr. Omata basically used this as the axis
16:27So, this part is crooked
16:30So, he drew a big arc
16:33That's how the pattern is made
16:35Also, the wave pattern can be made on the outside
16:40You can tilt the head diagonally
16:43You can make an angle
16:44You can make a wave pattern on the edge
16:49Mr. Yokoyama thinks the 3rd place is difficult
16:52So, he's going to make a Kotenami
16:54This is a strange but amazing technique
16:58Let's take a look
17:00It's a soft touch
17:03I see
17:05It's beautiful
17:06It's as if I've seen it before
17:11It's beautiful
17:14He's going to make a wave pattern with a soft touch
17:19It's wonderful
17:21Is this the 2nd place?
17:22It's like a cloud
17:23There's a pattern, but it's flat
17:27So, which technique is the most difficult?
17:31The 2nd place is
17:33I see
17:35Furthermore
17:37It's the top of the tree
17:41Please tell us how much he has to pay for this
17:49Mr. Yokoyama, who has been a professional for 32 years
17:54Which technique is the most difficult?
17:58The 2nd place is
18:00The 2nd place is this
18:03I see
18:05What's the reason for this?
18:06There's a trick to make this pattern with Koten
18:11In fact, the Hikizuri is completed through two processes
18:15First, the Shukkui is made into a mountain
18:19The Koten is made into a mountain by lightly touching the wall
18:29Now, it's a mountain
18:31The height of the mountain is different
18:34In the next process, you have to hold it down
18:38You have to make the height of the mountain flat
18:45It's going to be a little gentle
18:48I see
18:49It's going to be
18:50It's quite difficult to make it
18:54The Shukkui is made in the first process
18:58It's not too strong, not too weak
19:00The Hikizuri is made with an exquisite amount of power
19:05It takes at least a year to master
19:09It's a great technique
19:11So, the 1st place for the difficult pattern
19:15Thank you
19:16The 1st place is, of course, this flat
19:19What's the reason for this?
19:20The flat finish looks easy when you actually see it
19:24I can see it, to be honest
19:26We have a hard time with that
19:29I can't understand that
19:31That's a little frustrating
19:34In fact, one of the reasons why the flat is difficult is because there are many processes
19:40First, the Shukkui is painted once
19:44If the water is sucked in, the wall will be uneven
19:49So, after adjusting the water level once,
19:52the Shukkui is painted again
19:54The Shukkui is painted twice
19:56After that, the Shukkui is evenly painted,
19:59dried, and pressed
20:03It's troublesome
20:04How long does it take in total?
20:06It's finished at about 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning
20:14The Kotenami and Hikizuri can be done in about 30 minutes
20:18But the flat takes 6 hours to finish
20:22Moreover, there are many processes, so the risk of mistakes is high
20:27The finished product is just a flat wall
20:31You can't tell how good it is
20:35You can't tell how good it is
20:37It's plain, so it doesn't look good
20:41Eiji Yokoyama, a master craftsman
20:45He has amazing techniques
20:49Let's take a look
20:54First, the first layer
20:56It's beautiful
20:59It's amazing
21:04Can you tell the thickness by painting?
21:08Yes, I can
21:11Depending on the feeling from the Koten,
21:14the first layer is finished at a thickness of about 1 mm
21:18The first layer is finished
21:22It's very flat
21:27Is there a point when painting the second layer?
21:30Of course, you can paint it flat
21:33But the Koten gets caught
21:35If you get caught, you can't paint the first layer
21:40You can paint the second layer at the same thickness
21:45It's amazing
21:48He paints the second layer at a thickness of about 1 mm
21:53It's not allowed to scrape the first layer
21:57It's not allowed
21:59It doesn't look like he scraped the first layer
22:03It looks like he painted the first layer
22:07You can paint it flat after 3 to 4 years of experience
22:15You can't do it in a day or two
22:18The technique that only skilled craftsmen can do
22:22It's called flat painting
22:25The second layer is finished
22:29However, after an hour
22:32I can tell by looking at him
22:34There are bumps
22:37Is it floating?
22:39The water comes out
22:41Then it becomes bumpy
22:43I hold it with a Koten and make it flat again
22:47It takes a lot of work
22:49He holds the bumpy part with a Koten
22:54How do you control the strength?
22:57It's a little stronger than when I painted it
23:00It's a little stronger
23:02It's a little harder
23:04The technique is the same
23:06But it takes a lot of time and effort
23:10After 3 steps, the flat is completed
23:15It's amazing
23:17It's so detailed
23:20It takes a lot of time
23:22Does the price change?
23:25The price is doubled or tripled
23:30It's so different
23:33Everyone, when you look at the flat wall
23:36Please remember this simple but amazing technique
23:41It's amazing
23:43It looks simple, but it takes a lot of time
23:46It's doubled or tripled
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