The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman, Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain, Hassan Ayub | ARY News | 16th January 2025
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00:00As-salamu alaykum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:20It is the 16th of January, Thursday, dear viewers.
00:24Today, during the last 24 hours, we are witnessing many interesting developments in the world.
00:31Is there any change in the atmosphere?
00:35What will be the impact of this change internationally?
00:38And what about our local level?
00:40The manner in which we are meeting today,
00:45after that, will we be able to succeed in our country's urgent need for political settlement?
00:53Dear viewers, the first news that we have in our program today,
00:57which is very good news,
00:59is that in Gaza, during the last 15 months,
01:03the Israeli barbarism has been ceasefired.
01:07And in order to ceasefire,
01:09America's outgoing president, President Biden,
01:14read out an announcement and explained
01:19how many phases this negotiation process will go through
01:24and what we have decided in it.
01:26But this is a very big good news.
01:28This was a demand from all over the world.
01:31At the UN level, and especially from Muslim countries,
01:34from the Muslim world,
01:36whenever there was a big conference like this,
01:39this was the demand that it should be ceasefired.
01:43And especially there,
01:45obviously, people need a lot of medicines.
01:51The rest of the daily necessities are in dire need.
01:56The other day, you saw a report from the World Health Program
01:59that there are a lot of signs of confinement there.
02:04So, it's a good development.
02:05First of all, let's listen to what President Biden,
02:08the outgoing president of the United States, announced.
02:11Ceasefire on a hostage deal has been reached
02:14between Israel and Hamas.
02:16More than 15 months of suffering
02:19by the innocent people of Gaza.
02:22Fighting in Gaza will stop
02:25and soon the hostages will return home to their families.
02:28The deal is structured in three phases.
02:31Phase one will last six weeks.
02:34It includes a full and complete ceasefire,
02:37withdrawal of Israeli forces
02:39from all the populated areas of Gaza,
02:42and the release of a number of hostages held by Hamas.
02:46In exchange, Israel will release
02:48hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.
02:50And during phase one,
02:52the Palestinians can also return to their neighborhoods
02:55in all areas of Gaza.
02:57And the surge of humanitarian assistance
02:59into Gaza will begin.
03:02The negotiations will take place in different phases.
03:05According to the six-week deal,
03:09all the people of Gaza will be able to return to their homes.
03:15The prisoners in Gaza will be returned to Hamas.
03:19And those who have been arrested,
03:21thousands of them from Israel,
03:23will also be released.
03:25And President Biden was very happy.
03:27But it is obvious that there is politics in the world
03:29The incoming president,
03:31President Trump,
03:33is taking credit for this deal.
03:35Because it is a very big event
03:37on the international map,
03:39in front of the world.
03:41So he is saying that
03:43he gave a statement a while ago,
03:45probably on January 7th.
03:47So there is a commentary on the international media,
03:49especially in America.
03:51He said that because of President Trump,
03:53he had made a very clear statement.
03:55He had warned that if you do not resolve this matter,
03:57then the day I go to office,
03:59remember,
04:01I will do a lot.
04:21All hell will break out.
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07:19And
07:33,
07:35and
07:37,
07:39In the first line, it is very clearly written by the White House that today, after many months of intensive diplomacy,
07:47the United States, along with Egypt and Qatar, have signed the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
07:55Hassan, it is being welcomed all across the world.
07:59No one is raising a voice against it as if it is wrong.
08:05It was a demand and to start with, it is not a bad thing.
08:09Look, how can I celebrate this?
08:13More than 40,000 people have been martyred.
08:16Thousands of children have been martyred.
08:19Hospitals have been destroyed.
08:21People's buildings and homes have been destroyed.
08:24They are presenting a scene of ruins.
08:27What is there to be happy about?
08:29There is nothing to be happy about.
08:31But yes, I had said that the day Hamas started this matter,
08:34when they started their aggression,
08:36I had said that according to me, the 9-11 incident was very successful.
08:40But what will happen after that?
08:42Will the number of Muslims in the world increase or decrease after 9-11?
08:46The same thing will be proven today, after so long,
08:49that we are celebrating the ceasefire.
08:53But the damage that has been done,
08:55the children who have become orphans,
08:57or the entire families who have lost their loved ones,
09:00or the death toll,
09:02the injured and the badly injured,
09:04you can see the amount of them, what is the count?
09:07So all these things are very sad,
09:09but anyway, the world is a mess.
09:12The world did not react in the way it should have reacted.
09:16Israel has exposed its atrocities and mischief.
09:23And we are quietly watching.
09:25On this matter, I agree with Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain,
09:28that the role that we had to play,
09:31we too, as Muslims, could not play that role.
09:34Ladies and gentlemen, the state of Pakistan,
09:37of course, is a weak state in terms of our political compulsions,
09:43especially our economic compulsions.
09:46We come to the world to get money from the IMF.
09:49But despite all this, I must say,
09:51that every forum, be it the previous government or the current government,
09:55be it the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
09:58be it the current or previous Foreign Minister of Pakistan,
10:01they have raised their voices for Palestine.
10:05And they have raised their voices against the current situation in Gaza,
10:08against the Israeli barbarism.
10:11Of course, Pakistan is one of the countries in the world,
10:15and we could have raised our voices only according to our status.
10:18In my opinion, we have raised our voices according to our status.
10:21And this is a very good development.
10:24That is why I agree with him.
10:25No, I'm sorry, sir, I'm not impressed.
10:27I understand your disagreement.
10:30But what has the neighbouring Egypt and Qatar done?
10:32Ladies and gentlemen, this is a good development.
10:34The damage that has been done, the whole world is condemning it.
10:37But the good news that I was hearing today,
10:40especially from the UN agencies,
10:43they are saying that this is a very good news.
10:46The people who have been saved in Gaza,
10:49they are in dire need right now.
10:52They are in dire need of food, medicine, and a roof over their heads.
10:57There is no water, electricity, or anything else.
11:01So, in my opinion, there are no two opinions on this.
11:05The damage that has been done is a very big damage.
11:08It is in front of everyone.
11:10But if a ceasefire has been reached,
11:14then I think it is very good for the Middle East and Palestine.
11:19May Allah make it better.
11:22The second big development.
11:24In Pakistan, you know, the negotiations have started
11:27between the Pakistan Justice and Government parties,
11:30the United Nations.
11:33Today, there was a third meeting.
11:35There was a demand from the government
11:37that you give us your demands in writing.
11:40These demands have been given to them in writing today.
11:43But before those demands,
11:45there is a news on the television channels today.
11:48You know, when there is a break,
11:50then the red, blue, and yellow,
11:53every television has its own color scheme for breaking news.
11:56So, that news broke.
11:58The news broke that the chairman of Pakistan Justice,
12:02respected Mr. Gohar, Mr. Gohar,
12:05and CNKP,
12:07they have met with the military leadership,
12:10with the army chief.
12:12So, regarding that meeting,
12:14the news came out of Adiala Jail today.
12:16And when this question came out of Adiala Jail,
12:19from Barrister Gohar,
12:21how did he respond to it?
12:23Mr. Khan said, yes, I have met him.
12:26Wherever I have met,
12:28in whatever matter I have met,
12:30I say when I have instructions from Mr. Khan.
12:33Wherever I go,
12:35whatever I do,
12:37I do it for Mr. Khan.
12:39I do it according to Mr. Khan's instructions and permission.
12:41According to whatever instructions he has.
12:43So, Mr. Khan has told them,
12:45after talking to the journalists,
12:47Mr. Khan said, yes, we have met.
12:49Mr. Khan said, he is very welcoming.
12:51Conversation is necessary for the stability of the country.
12:53Mr. Khan also told them that
12:55our doors were always open for conversation.
12:58The doors of other people were closed.
13:00If the conversation goes ahead,
13:02then it will bring stability to the country.
13:04This news came out of Adiala Jail.
13:06When this news came out of Adiala Jail,
13:08they were asked,
13:10because the news was circulating.
13:12They said, yes, we have met.
13:14They confirmed this meeting.
13:16They also said,
13:18of course, I have met him.
13:20This is a very good development.
13:22This meeting, this process,
13:24should be continued.
13:26Immediately after this,
13:28the news came,
13:30through security,
13:32and the background of this meeting
13:34was only security concerns.
13:36But we will talk about this later.
13:38First of all, this meeting,
13:40because Mr. Ali Mean Gandapur
13:42was also present in that meeting,
13:44and he was also asked
13:46what happened in this meeting.
13:48He gave his own opinion,
13:50what is a one-on-one meeting.
13:52What was the one-on-one meeting
13:54with the army chief?
13:56What exactly was the one-on-one meeting?
13:58The meaning of one-on-one
14:00meeting is that,
14:02he should not come.
14:04What is this?
14:06Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
14:08you gave such hints
14:10a long time ago.
14:12It's a good development all across.
14:14It's okay.
14:16The meeting that has come
14:18in Pakistan now,
14:20it ends in any way.
14:22It's better.
14:24What will you say about this news?
14:26I think it should have happened
14:28and you will remember
14:30when we were sitting in Karachi,
14:32that if it had happened on 9th February,
14:34a lot of water would have passed
14:36through the bridges of the rivers.
14:38Maybe it could have been stopped.
14:40But it's late.
14:42It's right.
14:44Even now, if the matter reaches
14:46the end of the month,
14:48because from the first day,
14:50you don't agree with me
14:52that we talk about the same thing every day.
14:54The unity of the army and the people
14:56and those who attack it
14:58and try to
15:00put it in vain
15:02and become
15:04a victim of propaganda.
15:06That will not happen.
15:08I am not in this.
15:10Because we have learned
15:12that the positive development
15:14that has happened,
15:16we call it welcome
15:18and we will put pressure
15:20to take it to the end of the month.
15:22Not those people who are
15:24saying that I have already taken
15:26a lot of medicine.
15:28They don't know the past.
15:30They don't know anything else.
15:32They must realize
15:34that a month ago,
15:36four days ago,
15:38someone told them
15:40that these are the reasons
15:42and this has happened
15:44and this will happen.
15:46At that time, you also laughed and
15:48avoided it.
15:50So what are you asking me today?
15:52How are you?
15:54Are you feeling good?
15:56Alhamdulillah.
15:58You didn't praise my tie today.
16:00You don't like it.
16:02This is an ordinary tie.
16:04This is an ordinary tie.
16:06This is not a catchy tie.
16:08You want to hear praise every day.
16:10This is a red-colored tie.
16:12This is for the revolution.
16:14Red is a color of danger.
16:16There is a red light.
16:18Stop the car.
16:20I do everything to make you
16:22smile.
16:24Let's move on to the program.
16:26Are the winds changing?
16:30The winds are changing
16:32very fast.
16:34The winds of Siberia
16:36have entered Islamabad.
16:38You will feel it when you go out.
16:40You will feel it when it snows.
16:42It is going to be so cold.
16:44And tomorrow,
16:46the cold will be very severe.
16:48A lot of people are going to sweat.
16:50We will see how much they will sweat.
16:52For how many years
16:54they will sweat.
16:56You will see tomorrow.
16:58Mr. Hassan Ayub,
17:00you are going back to your statement.
17:02Don't bounce your story.
17:04You said that the decision
17:06that is going to come tomorrow,
17:08listen to it.
17:10Have you gone to the decision?
17:12No, I haven't gone to the decision.
17:14You don't have a beard.
17:16Of course,
17:18in the city of power,
17:20we have to be careful.
17:22You said that the winds
17:24can be harsh for anyone.
17:26They can be hot for anyone.
17:28Explain it to us.
17:30You want to talk about the case.
17:32I am talking about tomorrow.
17:34I am going back to my question.
17:36I am going back to my question.
17:38I want to ask
17:40what you are saying.
17:42Explain it to us.
17:44What are you trying to say?
17:46I have haters and I have lovers.
17:48The lovers are on all sides.
17:50The haters are on Allah's side.
17:52No, no.
17:54The haters should be given more guidance.
17:56You were saying that something is going to happen tomorrow.
17:58Sir, what was written above
18:00that not even a single seat
18:02will be given to Pakistan's president
18:04under the Sunni constitution.
18:06What is written above that?
18:08Imran Ahmed Niazi
18:10in yesterday's case,
18:12I call it the 458 canal mega corruption case,
18:16he is going to be punished.
18:18And his wife
18:20is also going to be punished.
18:22So you have read the mind
18:24of the judge.
18:26No, no. I have discussed with Vukla
18:28and asked him
18:30what are the things you have brought
18:32on the merits of the case.
18:34He is saying that
18:36he is very optimistic.
18:38He is the lawyer of NAB.
18:40Mr. Nagvi, you know
18:42that all of you are telling us
18:44two and two.
18:46Mr. Khawaja Asif, Mr. Hassan Iqbal.
18:48But today Hassan
18:50is making me sit on the truck
18:52on which you often make me sit.
18:54You don't take me anywhere.
18:56Today he is not letting me sit.
18:58So this development
19:00and it is a big development
19:02whether anyone believes it or not.
19:04Obviously, all the media
19:06and the big media houses
19:08and the news editors
19:10of the director news
19:12when the news is big
19:14you know that it becomes a headline.
19:16So keeping this news in front
19:18of you,
19:20what are you going to put
19:22in the political scene of Pakistan?
19:24Where are you taking it?
19:26Mr. Nagvi.
19:28Look, Mr. Khawaja,
19:30I have not said it once.
19:32I have said it many times
19:34that Tariq-e-Insaf should sit on the table
19:36because it is a government in line.
19:38One year later, two years later, three years later,
19:40four years later, whenever.
19:42Obviously, there is a big political party of Pakistan
19:44just like other political parties come to power.
19:46Similarly, Tariq-e-Insaf
19:48also has to come to power.
19:50So it is a government in line.
19:52We have been talking about this for a year.
19:54We talked about Sulaim-e-Hudaibiyah a while ago
19:56which was made a target of criticism.
19:58Then we kept saying again and again
20:00that the PTI needs to understand
20:02that matters will be resolved sitting on the table.
20:04Mr. Chaudhary has never praised
20:06the deep political support of the PTI.
20:08Mr. Chaudhary has just said
20:10that people are spreading
20:12rumours among the army and the people
20:14who are attacking.
20:16And the attackers have to see
20:18that their time has passed.
20:20When we say that the water has passed
20:22under the bridge,
20:24then the water that the attackers
20:26were using has passed under the bridge.
20:28Now they will have to see
20:30whether they are sitting on social media
20:32or spreading rumours in the streets
20:34of the cities,
20:36creating riots, blocking roads
20:38or doing anything else.
20:40Now their time has passed.
20:42Now the decision will be made on the table
20:44and the situation is going in that direction.
20:46May God make it go in that direction successfully.
20:48And then I will conclude
20:50that Tariq-e-Insaf
20:52is a government in line.
20:54Whether it comes after a year, two years,
20:56three years or four years,
20:58Tariq-e-Insaf will have to understand this.
21:00Let's go to the break.
21:02Before we go to the break,
21:04let me tell you that
21:06this meeting which is being discussed a lot,
21:08our friend,
21:10Pakistan Muslim League Noonwala,
21:12this news was very unpleasant for him.
21:14And he reacted very harshly to it.
21:16How did he react?
21:18We will talk about it after the break.
21:26Welcome back.
21:28We will talk about the discussions
21:30that took place after the discussions
21:32and the press conference
21:34that was held by the government.
21:36But first of all, when a question was asked
21:38to Irfan Siddiqui
21:40regarding the meeting,
21:42how did he react?
21:44He is saying that
21:46the discussions with the establishment
21:48are very pleasant.
21:50No discussions.
21:52They are deceiving the people.
21:54They are repeating the same
21:56things over and over again.
21:58I completely deny it.
22:00I completely deny it.
22:02But I didn't understand
22:04how this question was asked.
22:06And Siddiqui is very educated.
22:08There were meetings,
22:10but no discussions.
22:12And the meeting that was confirmed
22:14was done by Mr. Gohar himself.
22:16Mr. Khan himself told him,
22:18after talking to the journalists,
22:20that yes, there was a meeting.
22:22Mr. Khan said that it is very pleasant.
22:24He also said that our doors
22:26were always open for discussion.
22:28The doors of other people were closed.
22:30If the discussion goes ahead,
22:32then there will be peace in the country.
22:34If the discussion goes ahead,
22:36then there will be peace.
22:38And there was a one-on-one meeting.
22:40What is a one-on-one meeting,
22:42Mr. Ghandapur?
22:44What was the one-on-one meeting
22:46with the army chief?
22:48The meaning of one-on-one
22:50is one-on-one because
22:52it is a one-on-one meeting.
22:56One-on-one meeting has taken place.
22:58And Irfan Siddiqui is saying
23:00that this is a discussion.
23:02This is a discussion.
23:04Of course, he went there.
23:06There is also news going on.
23:08There was a meeting with all the people
23:10related to security.
23:12Army Chief General Syed Asim Munir
23:14was present there.
23:16He met everyone.
23:18And there was a meeting
23:20with the PTI people.
23:22Why are your friends,
23:24the PMLN people,
23:26reacting so badly to this?
23:28Of course,
23:30this is what happens to them.
23:32You have made statements.
23:34For many years,
23:36you have been saying the same thing.
23:38You come to their office 20 times.
23:40The establishment doesn't even question you.
23:42No one will shake hands with them.
23:44This is a discussion.
23:46We have already said that
23:48there is no need for
23:50this kind of discussion.
23:52And I have seen that
23:54all the parties in Peshawar
23:56sat at the same table
23:58and discussed and listened to
24:00each other.
24:02Apart from this,
24:04first tell the facts.
24:06First,
24:08gradually,
24:10there was news that
24:12Gauhar Khan was there
24:14and Ali Ameen was also there.
24:16Then Gauhar Khan said
24:18that he was not there.
24:20Now Gauhar Khan says that
24:22he was also there.
24:24Then there is another journalist
24:26who has a beard.
24:28He said that
24:30there was a meeting with
24:32these two people.
24:34Islamabad and Pindi
24:36did not meet.
24:38Apart from this,
24:40the meetings that I have done,
24:42because you don't care about
24:44the people of Peshawar,
24:46nor do you care about
24:48the people of Peshawar.
24:50If a person who has
24:52given such big news
24:54in his life,
24:56why will he make
24:58a wrong statement?
25:00If a fool tells me
25:02that I have given
25:04coffee to someone,
25:06then what is left for me
25:08to answer?
25:10I don't agree.
25:12PTI and their people
25:14will be released.
25:16Imran Khan will not
25:18get any relief.
25:20They have to be punished
25:22for 100 years.
25:24They have to be put in jail.
25:26On the other hand,
25:28PTI thinks that
25:30they have absolute
25:32information from
25:34inside and outside the country
25:36that 100% of PTI's
25:38demands will be fulfilled
25:40and their people will be released.
25:42And there is nothing
25:44that can stop it.
25:46I will not be surprised
25:48if tomorrow
25:50Imran Khan will be given
25:52long sentences.
25:54But he will be hanged
25:56like he has been doing
25:58till now.
26:00Jamal Ali is crying.
26:02He said that the meeting was held.
26:04It was not a joke.
26:06What are you trying to say?
26:08Mr. Hassan Ayub,
26:10don't take Mr. Chaudhary
26:12seriously.
26:14You know
26:16Mr. Ansar Bashi.
26:18He is a senior journalist.
26:20He is our senior.
26:22He is known for his investigative stories.
26:24You must have read his news today.
26:26Have you read it?
26:28It is a big development for you.
26:30It is just a simple story.
26:32All the media in Pakistan,
26:34newspapers, television,
26:36do you feel
26:38it is a planted story?
26:40Yesterday,
26:42I was in a room with Mr. Faisal Wada
26:44before you came.
26:46We were discussing the same topic.
26:48It was a one-on-one meeting.
26:50You were also there.
26:52No, I was not there.
26:54We were discussing
26:56about this meeting.
26:58We said that we will see
27:00what kind of storm it will create.
27:02You should have told us
27:04before you came.
27:06Haider Shirazi of Jio Television
27:08had already tweeted about it.
27:10You were sitting on such a big news.
27:12Yes, he had tweeted it.
27:14You should not make news about others.
27:16No, he had tweeted it before me.
27:18He had tweeted it before our discussion.
27:20You should have told us.
27:22Let's move on.
27:24Look,
27:26all the wishes
27:28are being fulfilled.
27:30There is a lot of disappointment.
27:32There is a lot of disappointment.
27:34There is a lot of disappointment.
27:36What will you do after that?
27:38Will you hit the wall?
27:40All these people are
27:42on the seventh heaven.
27:44They will hit all of them.
27:46They will hit their faces.
27:48They will scream and shout.
27:50Don't do it.
27:52You should know the reality.
27:54You should live in the reality.
27:56You should live in the reality.
27:58You should live in the reality.
28:00All these dreams
28:02will be shattered.
28:04All these dreams will be destroyed.
28:06And
28:08Mr. Gohar
28:10is a serious
28:12and honest man.
28:14We have met him.
28:16He is an honest and innocent man.
28:18He keeps smiling.
28:20He was saying that he has not met me.
28:22He was saying that he has not met me.
28:24He was saying that he has not met me.
28:26What was the agenda of this meeting?
28:28The agenda was terrorism in Pakistan.
28:30The agenda was terrorism in Pakistan.
28:32And to deal with the
28:34terrorism and mischief in Pakistan.
28:36So this is a good thing.
28:38Barrister Gohar met the Army Chief.
28:40And they had no personal agenda.
28:42Neither of the Army Chief nor of Barrister Gohar.
28:44This was the meeting.
28:46The war against terror in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
28:48and the country.
28:50They met with the military leadership.
28:52And I think such meetings should happen.
28:54Absolutely.
28:56This is a good development.
28:58This is a good development.
29:00This is a good development.
29:02Mr. Nagvi,
29:04when such meetings are held,
29:06the media breaks the news.
29:08How do you see this?
29:10How do you see this?
29:12Hoshain is being welcomed.
29:14Hoshain is being welcomed.
29:16Mr. Nagvi.
29:18Mr. Nagvi.
29:20101 is much better than 111.
29:22101 is much better than 111.
29:24You decide.
29:26Do you want 111 or 111?
29:28This is the first thing.
29:30And you must also understand what
29:32111 means.
29:34The way Pakistan was being
29:36pushed.
29:38Did you meet or not?
29:40On which issue did you meet or not?
29:42I am surprised that
29:44all those people are proudly saying
29:46that they met.
29:48Who were the biggest advocates of democracy
29:50in this country.
29:52Who were the biggest advocates of democracy
29:54in this country.
29:56Who were the biggest advocates of democracy
29:58in this country.
30:00Who were trying to prove
30:02that the parliament,
30:04the political parties
30:06are the inheritors of this country.
30:08Today they are saying proudly
30:10that they met.
30:12That they met the establishment
30:14and the army chief.
30:16This is a shameful thing.
30:18This is a shameful thing.
30:20The meeting of the two parties
30:22was held.
30:24Pakistan's judiciary
30:26presented a chart of demand
30:28in writing.
30:30The government gave a reaction
30:32in the form of a press conference.
30:34We will talk about
30:36how these meetings
30:38will take place after the break.
30:42The meeting was held
30:44in a very good atmosphere.
30:46After the meeting,
30:48what did Sadiq saab say?
30:52The leader of the opposition
30:54Umar Ayub saab
30:56presented the chart of demand
30:58in writing.
31:00He read the chart of demand
31:02and gave a detailed speech.
31:04and gave a detailed speech.
31:06Almost every honourable member
31:08took part in this.
31:10He tried to find the best way
31:12to take the decision.
31:14to take the decision.
31:16to take the decision.
31:18After that, Irfan Sadiqi saab
31:20who is the official spokesperson
31:22of the government
31:24also told us what happened
31:26in the committee.
31:28It was decided that
31:30the government committee
31:32will present a written statement
31:34on the demands of the opposition
31:36within 7 working days.
31:38During this time,
31:40the government committee
31:42will take consultation
31:44and advisory
31:46and will inform the committee
31:48which will be informed
31:50to the opposition committee.
31:52The opposition committee said
31:54that they should be given
31:56a chance to meet their leader
31:58Imran Khan in a free atmosphere.
32:00The government committee
32:02supported this.
32:04The announcement of the date
32:06of the next meeting
32:08will be discussed
32:10with the two committees.
32:12A press conference was held
32:147 hours before the meeting.
32:16Irfan Sadiqi saab,
32:18and Rana Sanawal saab
32:20started the post-mortem
32:22of the Charter of Demands.
32:24The Charter of Demands
32:26included the judicial commissions
32:28on 9th and 26th November
32:30and the release of the prisoners.
32:32Rana Sanawal saab said
32:34that he has read the Charter of Demands
32:36and he is cheating us.
32:38We don't understand the logic
32:40of the Charter of Demands.
32:42Irfan Sadiqi saab told the press
32:44that we will inform them
32:46after 7 days.
32:48They are a part of the process.
32:50We will take their information
32:52and inform the PTI
32:54about our reaction.
32:56Nagveer saab,
32:58the Charter of Demands
33:00has been presented today.
33:02Yes, it has been presented.
33:04But the government
33:06will say that
33:08the government will respond
33:10in the next 2-6 days.
33:12This is the most important thing.
33:14In the writing,
33:16they have written
33:18what they have been tweeting
33:20for the past 50 days.
33:22But the most important thing
33:24is to see the government's reaction.
33:26Let me give you a piece of news.
33:28There has been an understanding
33:30with the government
33:32of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
33:34Tehreek-e-Insaf will not
33:36participate in the elections.
33:38Imran Khan will decide
33:40how to get out of jail.
33:42But for the next 2 years,
33:44Tehreek-e-Insaf is ready
33:46to run the government.
33:48If he has to run the government,
33:50then he can run it
33:52under the leadership
33:54of Shahbaz Sharif.
33:56Otherwise,
33:58he can run the government
34:00in the parliament.
34:02Will you run the government
34:04under the leadership
34:06of Shahbaz Sharif?
34:34Absolutely not.
35:04What can be better than this?
35:06If there is a working relationship
35:08between the government
35:10and the opposition,
35:12if the government
35:14can solve their problems,
35:16then why not?
35:18Why?
35:20There is a lack of trust,
35:22there is a trust deficit,
35:24and there are demands
35:26on themselves.
35:28If the government
35:30and the opposition
35:32can solve their problems,
35:34then why not?
36:02This discussion will continue
36:04till the third meeting.
36:06This is the best
36:08way to improve
36:10the political situation in Pakistan.
36:12See you tomorrow.