En una conversación íntima, se revela la tristeza y los conflictos emocionales vividos por Elba Marcovecchio debido a la complicada salud de Jorge Lanata los meses previos a su muerte. A pesar de las tensiones familiares y las oscilaciones en el estado del periodista, se destaca la importancia del apoyo emocional y la sinceridad en momentos difíciles. Elba, además, habló de su vida en pareja, las noticias falsas difundidas por los medios y la tensa relación con las hijas de su marido.
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00:00How are you?
00:01Question two.
00:04It was hard for you to answer me the other day, how were you?
00:06Yes.
00:07And look, you texted me right away.
00:10Right away.
00:11Very fast.
00:12Yes, it was hard for me because...
00:16I couldn't reply.
00:18No...
00:20I was...
00:22I was sad.
00:24And...
00:25And the basic answer you have, which is to say good, period, end...
00:31It was...
00:34I couldn't lie.
00:37I couldn't lie.
00:38It's logical that you're sad.
00:39Why wouldn't you be?
00:40Yes.
00:41Yes, it would be...
00:45Yes.
00:46Yes.
00:47In fact, I even talk a lot with my therapist.
00:49It's...
00:51It's the most normal thing.
00:53That I'm...
00:54Sad.
00:56Although Jorge came with very complicated health...
00:59Yes.
01:00And in the last months in the hospital, much worse, I have to ask you how they were...
01:05They had time to prepare.
01:07Everyone says that you can prepare, blah, blah, blah, but when it happens...
01:11It's different from what you imagined.
01:13No, and...
01:16I felt it.
01:18That...
01:20It was going to happen.
01:21Yes.
01:22Yes.
01:23Because...
01:24And in fact, I don't know if...
01:27I think I told Mariana or Janina.
01:31She, in fact...
01:33They reserved a lot of things.
01:36And...
01:37But I, Jorge, I...
01:41The people in the hospital will understand me.
01:44I saw Jorge in peace.
01:47And...
01:48When?
01:49In the last days.
01:50Last week?
01:51No, a little more.
01:52Uh-huh.
01:55And he was killing me.
01:57I mean, you saw him like that.
01:59Yes.
02:00And...
02:01And I couldn't do anything.
02:03And we couldn't do anything with the doctors.
02:06And there was nothing.
02:07And he had nothing.
02:09Because in the last days, which were a few days, Jorge had nothing.
02:15And I read him, read him, read him as if...
02:17I read him as if...
02:19As if I could force him.
02:22I think that even for a matter of selfishness, I mean, as if I could force him.
02:26You had to retain him.
02:27Yes.
02:28Like all relatives.
02:29Yes.
02:30Yes.
02:31And I read him, I read him, I read him all the time.
02:34And...
02:37And don't prepare yourself.
02:39At least me.
02:40I'm talking to you first.
02:41Uh...
02:43When I left, I said yes, yes, yes.
02:47But my heart didn't feel it.
02:50But a part of my heart was waiting for a miracle.
02:56And I was waiting for the miracle, and I was waiting for the miracle.
02:59And the miracle didn't come.
03:02And when it didn't come, I have to thank Mariana.
03:07I'm full of Mariana.
03:08I mean, she told me, no, don't talk about battles anymore,
03:11because there are things that are not won, they are not lost.
03:15And that was a great teaching from her, as a therapist,
03:18and also how she contained me in the hospital.
03:22Uh...
03:24Because you feel that you lose.
03:28And that you lose, and that you lose, and that it is definitive.
03:30Did you talk about death with him?
03:32Uh... yes.
03:34We talked about a lot of things.
03:38Especially after the most ferocious hospitalization he had,
03:42the one before, the one that externalized him on September 16th.
03:48Jorge was very sensitive about that, because for him it was like coming back from the...
03:54Uh-huh.
03:55He told it on the show, didn't he?
03:56Yes, but he told it less.
03:58Less. Less than what it was.
03:59Less than... less for obvious reasons.
04:02Because of the limitation that you can't compare what is a TV show,
04:06or what is an interview with someone, to what it is to be sharing life day by day.
04:11Uh-huh.
04:12I mean, when we talked, and Jorge told me that he was afraid...
04:19Uh...
04:21He was afraid...
04:23of dying.
04:25I told him, let's watch Batman.
04:28Three.
04:29Uh-huh.
04:30Christian Nolan.
04:32Or...
04:34Christian Bale.
04:35Yes.
04:36The actor is Christian Bale.
04:37Let's watch three.
04:38I told him, the best explanation of fear is Batman...
04:42It's the best explanation, I mean...
04:44Yes, a simple one.
04:45Simple.
04:46I mean, fear is when you appreciate what you lose.
04:51Uh-huh.
04:52I mean, that's where you're afraid.
04:55Because you...
04:56I mean, you appreciate what you lose.
04:59So, that's where you get all your strength.
05:02And that's where Batman comes out of the tube.
05:05Uh-huh.
05:06From that...
05:07From the bat-tube.
05:08No, from that, like, a cave where he was thrown.
05:11Where he was thrown.
05:12And I give it to Batman.
05:14I give it to him.
05:15I give it to a crystal Batman.
05:16Obviously, we were always exaggerated.
05:19I mean, he wasn't just any Batman.
05:21He was a crystal Batman.
05:23And I give it to him so he can see that fear is fine.
05:27And that fear is to say how beautiful it is to be.
05:32How beautiful.
05:34How beautiful it is...
05:36Well, he enjoyed life.
05:37He always told it.
05:38He countered it.
05:39Yes, but...
05:41I can't tell you about the previous one for logical reasons.
05:44Of course.
05:45Because...
05:46But he told you.
05:47Of course, yes.
05:48But I have to tell you, the previous one is a reference.
05:50I'm telling you about...
05:51About what you experienced.
05:52About what I experienced.
05:54And about what I experienced, Jorge...
05:56Jorge wanted to live to the fullest.
05:59Jorge wanted everything.
06:01In this last hospitalization, did he know he was going to die?
06:04Did he realize he was going to die?
06:06Jorge was afraid of doing that study.
06:08The one on the 14th of June.
06:10I remember, at 5 in the morning, we were getting ready.
06:14And...
06:15You know him.
06:17Forgive me for the time.
06:18Sorry.
06:21Well, you knew Jorge a lot.
06:24And Jorge had something...
06:26I don't talk to you as much.
06:28He had something big, protective.
06:31But he had something like a baby.
06:33And I loved it.
06:35And he loved it.
06:37And...
06:38Jorge told me he was afraid...
06:41Because Jorge was claustrophobic.
06:43So, he was afraid of the study.
06:46So, I told him...
06:47Now they're going to accuse me of poisoning.
06:50I told him, look, if you behave well...
06:52I told him...
06:53When we get back from the study...
06:55I'll buy you some half moons with ham and cheese.
06:58He told me...
06:59Are you going to toast them?
07:01Yes.
07:02I'm going to toast them.
07:04I told him.
07:05And...
07:06And I grabbed...
07:07Jorge...
07:08When he hugged me...
07:10He hugged me like this.
07:11Very strong.
07:12And when I hugged Jorge...
07:14He sat here.
07:15On his chest.
07:16Like a boy.
07:17And I hugged him.
07:18I hugged him.
07:19I hugged him.
07:20And I told him...
07:21Don't be afraid.
07:22It's just another study.
07:24That's what I told him.
07:25It's just another study.
07:26And when the study thing happened...
07:28I was like...
07:29What other study?
07:30And the reverend one.
07:31How did this happen?
07:32He had two seizures.
07:33He had a seizure.
07:35For six minutes.
07:40And...
07:41I couldn't believe it.
07:42I couldn't understand anything.
07:44And I felt...
07:47I promised you the half moons.
07:50And...
07:51What happened?
07:53But he recovered pretty well from that first one.
07:56From that first one.
07:57He recovered pretty well from the 14th.
08:00And the 15th he was almost up.
08:02Because Jorge...
08:03He recovered very fast.
08:06And at 10 in the morning of the 15th...
08:09I started to see him...
08:11That he was sleeping.
08:13And I called the doctor.
08:15It was the only time I called...
08:17Well, not the only time.
08:18The doctors were extraordinary.
08:21The Italians.
08:24And I told him...
08:25I saw this.
08:26This is dioxide.
08:27I told him I saw this.
08:28Because Jorge had had it before.
08:30And then they started to treat him.
08:33Everything.
08:34And it started to get complicated again.
08:36And I was...
08:38In that second episode that was...
08:41It's very...
08:43It's very ugly to see things.
08:45Because the image...
08:49It stays in your body.
08:52And they can explain to you...
08:55The theory of relativity.
08:57Yes, but he stopped being that person you knew.
09:00But...
09:01When I see him there...
09:06I cried and called everyone.
09:08Because...
09:10Who are everyone?
09:11I called...
09:13I called Margarita.
09:15I called Sara.
09:17I called Bárbara.
09:19By phone.
09:20Everything by phone.
09:21I called...
09:23I called Jasmín, who is my friend.
09:25Cosco.
09:26And...
09:28I told her, Jasmín, come and nothing else.
09:31And I didn't call my mom.
09:33I sent a message to my mom.
09:36I asked her to come.
09:38And...
09:42I never asked anyone to come.
09:45So it was like a very strong message.
09:50It was very strong.
09:51It was very hard.
09:55Well, that's how the talk with Elba began.
09:57That tells the preview.
09:59That it was that studio.
10:00That it was going to be one day Jorge.
10:01And there he is interned.
10:02And he never returns home.
10:05I didn't know he was afraid of the studio.
10:07No, we didn't know that.
10:08Sincerely, I name her Mariana Lesteche.
10:10Because Mariana was advising Elba.
10:14Well, Mariana works in intensive care.
10:17Thousands of years ago.
10:20And she was very close to Elvite.
10:22And she knows quite a lot about the medical part.
10:25And many things that happened there.
10:27Just Marcela told me something.
10:29While we were watching the start of the note that Elba tells.
10:32And that you realize when someone is about to die.
10:34And they start to let go.
10:36For more therapy.
10:37Because it's a fight.
10:38You know that the other is wrong.
10:40And from the outside you want to help.
10:42And you want to put everything.
10:43And you do everything.
10:44And everything goes wrong.
10:45Do you understand?
10:46And then you start to realize.
10:48That the other also has a moment that breaks.
10:50And that doesn't want more.
10:51You start to let go.
10:52Because as there are no positive results.
10:55And it is very painful for the one who is outside.
10:57Because the one who is outside.
10:58The only thing he wants is for the other to improve.
11:00And the other doesn't improve.
11:01Yes, it's the selfishness that one wants.
11:02Of course.
11:03To stop the person.
11:04And it's tremendous.
11:05When you face that reality.
11:06They are the truth.
11:07Yes.
11:08But on the other hand.
11:09One also has hope.
11:10Of course.
11:11That he will get ahead.
11:12Yes.
11:13And more in the case of Ana.
11:14I remember something that my dad told me.
11:16That we took him everywhere.
11:18When he died of cancer.
11:20And there was a moment.
11:21That there was nothing else to do.
11:23And we all knew it.
11:24And he too.
11:25And he took our hand.
11:26Everyone.
11:27And he told us.
11:28It seems to me that I'm leaving.
11:30He realized.
11:31He realized.
11:32And the issue is that we realized.
11:34There with him.
11:35We.
11:36Because we were.
11:37To continue.
11:38To continue.
11:39To continue seeing.
11:40What we could change.
11:41And there was nothing else to do.
11:42In this case.
11:43It was sedated.
11:44Jorge.
11:45Intubated.
11:46For a long time.
11:47Of course.
11:48So.
11:49Yes.
11:50But.
11:51Before that.
11:52Of that moment.
11:53Because.
11:54There are always.
11:55In people who are sick.
11:56Previous moments.
11:57For example.
11:58My dad started to shut up.
11:59Much more.
12:00Do you understand?
12:01They were still lucid.
12:02Always.
12:03Always.
12:04Except the last 10 days.
12:05Not.
12:06They didn't have to sleep.
12:07I.
12:08I am a doctor.
12:09I had the possibility to accompany many.
12:10Many.
12:11More than anything.
12:12Children.
12:13In this case.
12:14They died.
12:15And we had a lot of time.
12:16Interns.
12:17The truth is that.
12:18The accompaniment of a doctor.
12:19Who takes charge.
12:20It is also very important.
12:21For the family.
12:22Because.
12:23More or less you go.
12:24As.
12:25Explaining.
12:26As you can to the family.
12:27But.
12:28As is.
12:29From outside.
12:30You, from the outside, say, well, maybe there's something, there's hope.
12:33Because one is selfish, but there are times when the family ends up understanding in some way
12:38what is best for the patient.
12:40And even the same patient ends up giving you the signs of, well, I got this far,
12:44this is my moment, it's time for them to let me go so that I can do something better.
12:49Also, what I thought that Elba told, I don't know if you already knew,
12:52but that they go to this studio, in everything normal, that Jorge is afraid,
12:56and suddenly Jorge never did what he did before
12:59and he was gone for six minutes?
13:00Yes, that's what it says.
13:02He was gone for six minutes, and he never did the Jorge we all knew again.
13:07A reference to a Batman, which is a Swarovski Batman,
13:11that it seems that Jorge had next to the computer, which is this one, which is beautiful.
13:15Oh, how nice!
13:16It's spectacular.
13:18Well, you see that she doesn't hide those details anymore, let's say,
13:20she says, yes, we are always gossipers, like spending in the middle,
13:23and it seems to me that Jorge was also like that, right?
13:25Yes.
13:26To talk.
13:26Yes, yes, to spend, to talk.
13:27That's why.
13:28Obviously, the two of them too.
13:30She loves to buy little things.
13:33Let's go to the second part.
13:34I asked Elba about the daughters, obviously,
13:37about the scandal she has with Bárbara and Lola,
13:42the fight, the judicial war.
13:44We talk about everything, and obviously about the video, the famous video,
13:47if she was stealing or not, in Jorge's house,
13:51which is coincidentally hers too, because she is the legal wife, now widow.
13:55Let's see it.
13:59Until then, did you have a relationship with all of them?
14:02Relationship in what sense?
14:04Kind?
14:06Or was it always complicated?
14:07The relationship with the daughters?
14:09No, no.
14:10With the ex-women?
14:11No, let's see, the health issues,
14:14health issues.
14:15Let's see,
14:19I obviously devoted a very Kantian formation, which is duty.
14:23That is to say, I have very embodied,
14:27very in my being, the duty.
14:29And I knew perfectly well that it was my duty,
14:34that it was my duty to inform at the moment,
14:38because I informed at the moment.
14:39So I always did that.
14:41Absolutely always, regardless of
14:45the best or the non-relationship I could have.
14:50The courteous takes away the brave.
14:52So I did that.
14:53I did the same, always.
14:55When I say always,
14:58we had more than ten internations.
15:02No, it wasn't one.
15:03In fact, I don't know how much the public knows,
15:08but this was the third internation of the year.
15:11We had the Easter internation,
15:14which was a week or so.
15:18But the public was used to that Jorge was interned,
15:20he left, it was always a topic, it happened in the last years.
15:23But they weren't nice internations.
15:25Before your marriage,
15:26what I think surprised everyone was the family internation.
15:30Why don't they accept you? Why don't they love you?
15:33It had happened before and it hadn't been made public.
15:37So you always existed with Jorge in life.
15:41For me, and when...
15:44One day I tell Jorge that I didn't understand what I had done.
15:49Because if I had done something, I could fix it.
15:52I could have a talk, I could say,
15:55well, I didn't have a boyfriend, I didn't have anyone,
15:58I was thinking, I don't know, I mean...
16:01Yes, you met him single.
16:02No, but besides, how bad could I have done it?
16:04I mean, what was the problem?
16:06What was the problem?
16:07I mean, can I fix it?
16:10I mean, there Jorge shows me an email
16:15where he showed me that this same problem,
16:19the twin of this problem,
16:21the twin, to put it in a way,
16:23was in his previous relationship.
16:26Between Kiwita and Andrea.
16:28And Bárbara, I mean.
16:31Between Kiwita and Bárbara.
16:32Bárbara didn't accept the new woman in her life.
16:35And he shows me, Jorge shows me the email,
16:38that it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
16:40But what he wanted to tell me is,
16:42it's not with you, relax, relax.
16:44Jorge always... I say relax.
16:46Jorge tells me, it's not with you, relax.
16:50I mean, and I am,
16:52unlike what it seems,
16:56I get paid to fight.
16:59I mean, I say it jokingly.
17:02I mean, I get home and I don't have fights.
17:04I don't have conflicts at home.
17:06I have a quiet life, doors inside.
17:11So, I got used to the situation.
17:16If it bothered me a lot,
17:18I also have my character.
17:19But what were the disdain?
17:21The disdain was very marked.
17:27Obviously we are...
17:28I never sat at a table with Andrea.
17:31Andrea couldn't tell you anything.
17:32Besides, she wasn't part of our lives.
17:34Nothing, zero, I have to tell you.
17:36Nothing, I don't know.
17:37She was Jorge's producer and...
17:38She was Jorge's producer,
17:40with whom he came when he had production meetings.
17:45And he made her the voice for the speaker.
17:49I mean, and eventually,
17:51when I went to the program,
17:53from Jorge to the stand,
17:55she greeted me.
17:58How? I have to tell you.
17:59Nothing.
18:00Nothing, nothing, nothing.
18:01I have to tell you nothing.
18:03But it hurt me a lot.
18:10I also respected it.
18:11But it hurt me a lot that...
18:13that not...
18:15that not even...
18:17I mean, it's terrible that they didn't even know my children.
18:20They didn't know them?
18:21Yes, he crossed them.
18:22A couple of days ago,
18:24a couple of times,
18:25for a Father's Day meal that Jorge imposed.
18:28Jorge wanted the four of them to eat.
18:32And he wanted the four of them to eat,
18:34because even when he received Martin Fierro
18:36and he referenced his four children
18:38and Jorge was happy with the four of them,
18:42no one took their place.
18:44I mean, he treated your children as his own children.
18:46Yes.
18:47Jorge, with Alegra,
18:49had an immediate love.
18:52They saw each other and they flashed.
18:56With Alegra.
18:57And Valen, it was the other way around.
18:59Valen beat Jorge.
19:02And because Jorge said...
19:04I heard him and I said,
19:05oh, I'm going to bust you.
19:06I said...
19:07Jorge said he couldn't be a father to boys
19:09because he didn't know how to play football
19:11and he didn't like football.
19:13And I said,
19:14he's such an intelligent guy,
19:15he can't give me this answer.
19:17I said.
19:18But of course,
19:19Valen doesn't only like football,
19:21racquetball and all those things,
19:23but he's super intellectual.
19:26So he beat him, Jorge.
19:29He beat him and they studied together and...
19:33And why couldn't you beat them?
19:35In the case of...
19:36Because they hate you.
19:37In the case of Bárbara,
19:39in the case of...
19:40Bárbara is a woman.
19:41Bárbara is 35 years old.
19:44And...
19:46That's it.
19:47She's a woman.
19:48I mean, it's...
19:51And with Lola, I loved her.
19:54Lola...
19:56For me, it was a great disappointment
19:58that they brought her up to this point.
20:00In fact, I don't think what she did
20:02is in her heart.
20:03I don't think this is part of her heart.
20:07What happened.
20:08I can't resist thinking...
20:10What did they do to you?
20:11How would you describe it?
20:13What happened was atrocious.
20:16What happened was atrocious.
20:18Let's see.
20:19Every marriage is a world.
20:22This saying is like that.
20:25Because this saying is like that.
20:26Every marriage is a world.
20:28The things that Jorge and I talked about
20:31in bed, in the office,
20:33our intimacy, we know it.
20:37And it's normal in couples.
20:39Not even my children know it.
20:42They lived it 100%.
20:44I mean, no one knows it
20:46because we talked about it,
20:49we told each other a lot of things.
20:52Maybe not, but could you do
20:54some kind of self-criticism
20:58of something that happened?
21:00I ask in general.
21:01So that they don't love you,
21:03did you feel at some point
21:04that you made a mistake with them?
21:05No.
21:06With the daughters?
21:07No, look, I do a lot of therapy.
21:08No, no, no.
21:09I don't think so.
21:10You didn't find a reason?
21:11No, no reason,
21:12because we didn't have anything.
21:14I mean, there was no reason.
21:15There was no relationship,
21:16no bond.
21:17Of course, there was no opportunity.
21:19And this was talked about a lot of times
21:21with Jorge and Lula.
21:23The truth is that I don't understand it.
21:25You feel that they added it,
21:26you said before.
21:27Yes.
21:28I'm going crazy.
21:29Do you feel that they made a block
21:30against you?
21:31This is the same as bullying.
21:33Let's see, if you go to the structure
21:34of a bullying, it's the same.
21:35I mean, there are 1, 2, 3 people
21:37who are the ones who organize
21:40and the rest are the ones who join.
21:42And the rest are applause.
21:44There are stands and applause.
21:46There are people who accompany
21:47the one who is attacked.
21:49And I was attacked because
21:53they knew and suspected
21:56or bragged
21:58that Jorge
22:00was not going to see what was happening.
22:03So Jorge didn't come back.
22:05That for me was very...
22:07Let's see.
22:08I mean, the war started
22:09because Jorge didn't come back
22:10and he couldn't intervene.
22:11There is no other way.
22:14Just imagine.
22:15Jorge
22:18Jorge
22:20was the most reserved person
22:21with his intimacy.
22:22I'm talking about his intimacy.
22:24Yes, he wouldn't have liked anything
22:25Zero.
22:26of this public.
22:27Zero.
22:28Zero.
22:29In the same way
22:30that I couldn't have touched anyone
22:32and I didn't do it
22:33and I've never done it.
22:34Never.
22:35I was going to say zero.
22:36The things that happened
22:37in our house
22:39were issues of our house.
22:41I mean,
22:42he would have never liked this.
22:43And that they touched me
22:45neither.
22:46It's counterfactual
22:47but many wonder
22:48what Jorge would have said
22:49if he saw them fighting
22:50in this way.
22:51I didn't fight.
22:52Well,
22:53having this confrontation
22:54until the war.
22:55No, but I didn't have a confrontation.
22:57Stop.
22:58Let's be simple and concise.
23:01They tell you
23:02to fight
23:03you need two.
23:04Yes, excuse me
23:06I was lying on the floor
23:07and they were kicking me.
23:10Which one hurt you the most?
23:15To get out of context
23:17No, it hurt me.
23:19Oh, I can do a lot for you.
23:20To get out of context
23:21the videos
23:23to hurt.
23:25Nothing more than to hurt
23:26because I didn't have
23:28It doesn't have
23:29No, no
23:30They can't
23:31nor could
23:32nor have
23:33any meaning
23:34in justice.
23:35I mean,
23:36but now I'll explain it to you.
23:38And the one that hurt me the most
23:40that you say
23:41that on the one hand
23:42but that I say
23:43let me inflate
23:44I mean
23:45well
23:46I mean
23:47that on the one hand
23:48and what hurt me the most
23:49is that they told me
23:50that
23:51three things hurt me
23:52not two
23:53that I didn't
23:54that I didn't take care of Jorge
23:56that I didn't take care of Jorge
23:57that I didn't go to the hospital
23:59it was
24:00this little baby
24:01really
24:02I said
24:03but this is serious
24:04Jorge gave me his life
24:05and I gave him my life
24:07I mean
24:09they told me
24:10that I didn't go to the hospital
24:12that I didn't take care of him
24:13that I poisoned him
24:18well
24:19I gave him some flim-paf
24:20but
24:22to poison
24:23But if he wanted to eat
24:24No, but
24:25he was going to ask you for permission
24:26No, what's worse
24:27you know
24:28that's why I say
24:29that here the videos are also mixed
24:30the family dynamics
24:31for example
24:32there
24:33point by point
24:34they told you
24:35bullshit
24:36bullshit
24:37that you stole objects
24:38no, no
24:39I said it
24:40or that you put the pencil case
24:41or whatever
24:42I didn't put the pencil case
24:43in the sleeve
24:44but
24:45and what?
24:46that was reported
24:47at least in the group
24:48where Jorge worked
24:49that you put
24:50no
24:51look how easy it was
24:52that sweater
24:53is a sweater
24:54from Zadig
24:55that has the little finger
24:56this one
24:57it has the little finger
24:58I get uncomfortable with the finger
24:59final point
25:00but regardless of that
25:01that I don't put
25:02a pencil case
25:03five pencil cases
25:04in the sleeve
25:05three flower pots
25:06four glasses
25:07I do what I love
25:08and why do they make it look
25:09like a robot?
25:10all that numbering
25:11of objects
25:12because there is
25:13the third point
25:14that I think
25:15is to me
25:16today
25:17today
25:18one of the ones
25:19that bother me the most
25:20is
25:21not being Jorge
25:22being Jorge
25:23no
25:24not being Jorge
25:25they treated me
25:26as if I were
25:27a little girl
25:28you know
25:29being
25:30as if I were
25:32I'm the wife
25:34I'm the wife
25:35I mean
25:36not only
25:37before the church
25:38and the sacrament
25:41I'm the wife
25:42in the trust
25:43I'm the companion
25:44I'm the one who chose
25:45and we chose
25:46and that
25:47is like
25:48blurring
25:49you see
25:50all the photos
25:51that are published
25:52in different media
25:53and they are
25:54all of them
25:55even
25:56a super
25:57as if
25:58I was married
25:59to all
26:00as if
26:01as if
26:02I slept
26:03with some
26:04of the sex
26:05as if
26:06we slept
26:07with the daughter
26:08or with whatever
26:09the filial bond
26:10is one
26:11and the marriage
26:12bond
26:13is another
26:14which has nothing
26:15to do
26:16it's like
26:17if someone
26:18messes
26:19with my children
26:20it has nothing
26:21to do
26:22with my children
26:23I mean
26:24it's a man
26:25I'm talking about
26:26I mean
26:27a couple
26:28is a couple
26:29you are here
26:30you have secrets
26:31no secrets
26:32what you do well
26:33what you do wrong
26:34with a son
26:35you don't like to show
26:36you are weak
26:37in general
26:38for example
26:39vulnerable
26:40exactly
26:41you don't cry
26:42in general
26:43with your son
26:44I cried
26:45Jorge
26:46for the kids
26:47he was a sensitive
26:48guy
26:49and he cried
26:50for what
26:51he wanted
26:52to cry
26:53but
26:54but they accused you
26:55of machera
26:56point one
26:57of poisoning
26:58of poisoning
26:59wait
27:00but when you say
27:01machera
27:02and all the things
27:03it's
27:04we were
27:05in my house
27:06I was
27:07in my house
27:08doing
27:09what Jorge
27:10asked me
27:11but even
27:12when Jorge
27:13didn't ask me
27:14he would have done it
27:15because it seemed
27:16better
27:17he's my husband
27:18he was my husband
27:19but the three points
27:20were that
27:21machera
27:22of poisoning
27:23and black widow
27:24they were the three
27:25that threw you
27:26all the time
27:27yes
27:28your co-workers
27:29well
27:30the co-workers
27:31colleagues
27:32the group
27:33let's go by parts
27:34the co-workers
27:35can you imagine
27:36if Jorge
27:37saw
27:38if Jorge
27:39saw
27:40the chat
27:41where
27:42one of the
27:43co-workers
27:44said
27:45to the lovers
27:46of Nata
27:47I'm going
27:48to tell
27:49that Jorge
27:50is healthy
27:51don't
27:52cheat
27:53sorry
27:54no
27:55don't
27:56cheat
27:58it's
27:59like
28:00it's
28:01what
28:02is
28:03machera
28:04do
28:05you remember
28:06Jorge's
28:07reaction
28:08to the
28:09interview
28:10the day
28:11I said
28:12just once
28:13the day
28:14I had
28:15a minor
28:16dispute
28:17compared
28:18to this
28:19much
28:20minor
28:21with Fernando
28:22with Игор
28:23he went
28:24to defend
28:25you
28:26in public
28:27We were eating and Jorge came out and said, give me the camera.
28:30I said, what are you going to touch my wife?
28:33And that was Jorge's reaction, the same one I had with him.
28:36Because when Jorge was touched with...
28:39It's not that they touched him.
28:40When Jorge talks about Wanda, not now, but what you already know,
28:45the first and only one in his environment who defended him was me.
28:49And I would defend him a thousand times.
28:52Because he said he had the right to information,
28:54the public had the right to information,
28:56they wanted to know what was going on with Wanda.
28:58Exactly, and that's what...
28:59And when it happened with Nata, others didn't agree.
29:03The same colleagues who didn't question him before.
29:06Yes, it was all pretty weird because...
29:09No, I mean, his radio colleagues.
29:12Because I went to his show when he went to discuss Wanda with Jorge.
29:16Everyone applauded Jorge.
29:18And when information was given about Nata, it was bad.
29:21Yes, but wait.
29:22When information was given about a state of health that the public cares about...
29:27Because there was something about me that you can't give sensitive data.
29:31Details.
29:32Details that didn't make sense.
29:34I mean, there are details that didn't make sense and I don't want to say them either.
29:41I mean, you can't give details, but you can't lie to the public either.
29:45Because Jorge owed his audience.
29:47Jorge didn't lie to the public.
29:49Jorge said, when he was on drugs, he said, I'm on drugs.
29:53When he said he was sick, he said...
29:56For example, he said he used a zip-up to sleep.
29:59I mean, things that are not the sexiest thing that exists.
30:03And Jorge told them.
30:05I mean, and because he believed that his audience deserved the truth.
30:12The truth.
30:13The truth.
30:14And well, if with that same bar of these issues, knowing what Jorge thought,
30:19is to show the videos of our house.
30:23And why did the group where he worked do that?
30:26I can't tell you why.
30:29Because it was the channel, the news, the radio, the networks.
30:34Well, the networks were totally digitized, we all know that.
30:37Well, and now comes a part of that interview where he talks about a media operation,
30:42orchestrated.
30:44He doesn't name it, but he says it for her, for Andrea Rodríguez,
30:47the producer of Jorge's radio and his programs,
30:50who was his ex-wife and Barbara's mother,
30:54Jorge's eldest daughter.
30:56Between them, yes.
30:58Yes, yes, there were accounts directed.
31:02No, no, no.
31:03I mean this, which comes later.
31:05Rolls.
31:06In the note.
31:07No, no.
31:08Of accounts in particular, hired, a communication agency,
31:12hired by Andrea Rodríguez to give her.
31:17The networks kill her, naturally.
31:19That happens because sometimes a character fits in, another does not fit in,
31:22or a statement.
31:24But she has detected and denounced in justice.
31:28Ah, look.
31:30Ay, ay, ay.
31:34Ah, look.
31:37She must have a lot of information.
31:39To realize that they were killing her.
31:43Yes, it is done.
31:50The moment was strategic.
32:00Yes.
32:03Ah, yes.
32:06To the heirs.
32:08To Elba and the two daughters.
32:15Do you want to know the figure?
32:16Yes, of course.
32:17I would love to.
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32:50Let's see the second part.
32:53All doctors tell their families, well, there is nothing else to do.
32:56Yes, yes.
32:57I said goodbye 800 times.
32:59Many?
33:00No, no, no.
33:01Ah.
33:02No, no.
33:03That same day I couldn't stop going.
33:05That same day I didn't ...
33:07But I mean, during the months that passed ...
33:09No, no, no.
33:10He was on the verge of death several times?
33:11Yes, yes, yes.
33:12Yes.
33:13Yes.
33:14Because he was lying all the time.
33:16Yes, of course.
33:17But it was all very critical.
33:19He said, no, everything is fine.
33:20Watch series, talk all the time.
33:26He sent me audios, that's what I mean.
33:28Yes, but there is a total contradiction, a total contradiction.
33:33Because on the one hand, if Jorge had been so well, he would be in the rehabilitation clinic, he would not be at home.
33:40Yes.
33:41Point one.
33:42In fact, they transferred him and he had to go back right away.
33:43We had to go back.
33:44Beyond the fact that the rehabilitation clinic was excellent.
33:46Yes.
33:47Because it was also questioned very precisely and they were excellent.
33:51But shortly after they described Jorge smoking a lot.
33:56And no, I have to say, that was not the reality.
33:59Jorge had oscillations, like everyone who is in therapy.
34:04But I read the things they published on other portals.
34:09Some said, oh, he doesn't have a fever, he doesn't have, I don't know, patatín and patatán.
34:13And I said, he's smoking a lot.
34:15Because you read it and said, who do you want to deceive?
34:18For what?
34:19Why do you want to deceive?
34:21If, in addition, that person who was deceiving, but if that person is deceiving, they were lying about other things.
34:28Knowing that if Jorge woke up in the sense that he was coming back, he was going to burst from the lies.
34:38That is, he was going to burst.
34:40Then you yourself knew that he was not going to come back.
34:44You more than me.
34:46You more than me, because I never gave up.
34:49I never gave up.
34:50Then I said, you more than me.
34:52But at one point the doctor came and told you, the doctor, and he told you.
34:55No, the doctor.
34:56He said, well, there is nothing else to do.
34:57Yes, but it was the same 30.
34:59Ah, that same day.
35:00Yes.
35:01And there I called my kids, who are small and big at the same time, because they had the right to do as they wanted.
35:15And Valen didn't want to come in.
35:18Valen wanted to accompany me.
35:21He is like a little man.
35:24He is 16 years old.
35:26And Alegra wanted to come in.
35:28And when we came in, it was very special.
35:34Because, well, you know I'm Catholic.
35:38And I met Alegra and I thanked God and Jorge for the time he gave us.
35:51Because he gave us a time of happiness, joy.
35:56I fell in love again.
35:59He fell in love again.
36:02To create a future together.
36:06And all that he also gave to my children.
36:10And I think that beyond the sadness and how categorical I am sometimes to describe the state, which is the moment, right?
36:25I want to thank God that Jorge was in our lives.
36:35Because he gave us love.
36:40He gave us...
36:42He gave us...
36:45He gave us love.
36:48Did you ever think about being a father?
36:51Yes.
36:52Jorge wanted everything.
36:55Jorge wanted us to have a child.
36:59He wanted us to have a child.
37:02He wanted to adopt the children.
37:04He wanted us to get married.
37:06I wanted to have a child.
37:08So those plans were pending?
37:10What he proposed to you or you didn't want it anymore?
37:12No, not me anymore.
37:14I didn't want to have children.
37:15Because...
37:16Because you didn't want to be told that you wanted to have a child.
37:18No, no.
37:19No, I wanted to have a child.
37:21I wanted to have a child.
37:23I wanted a girl.
37:24And I said, how do I do it?
37:26I said, how do I do it?
37:28And I said, no, I have to get treatment.
37:30I'm old.
37:32Because I'm old.
37:33I said, we're fine with the four of us we have.
37:37We already have a bunch of children.
37:39I told him about the adoption.
37:45I'm 77 years old.
37:47I was born in La Plata.
37:49I have a very strong identity.
37:51So the adoption, no.
37:53The boys have that last name.
37:56And they had their father.
37:58Yes.
37:59Your ex-brother-in-law came out.
38:01They put a message on social media against you.
38:03Yes.
38:04I have to tell you.
38:06I haven't spoken to him since I was 18 years old.
38:09It's not part of my life.
38:14Neither of the boys nor of now.
38:16And I thought it was very cruel to mix up the pain.
38:20Who knows a little bit about.
38:24And when they tell you all this about the black widow,
38:26that he wanted to kill her.
38:27That's better.
38:28Because I wanted to kill him.
38:30Why did you want to kill him at first?
38:33I was talking about madness.
38:37I told him, you're talking about total madness.
38:39And that kind of thing.
38:41But the motto of widow.
38:45It's to those of us who are widows.
38:48It's very difficult.
38:50It's very difficult.
38:52Used as an insult.
38:53Used as an insult.
38:54It's tragic.
38:55It's what happened in life.
38:58Elba, I brought you some textuals.
39:00To answer people who spoke at this time.
39:02I start with Bárbara.
39:06She said, it's funny how there are two versions of everything.
39:09She gives a version and it's clearly not the same as I can say.
39:12That Elba said she was trying the path of peace with them.
39:16But it's not the same as they were living inside.
39:19That there was no path to peace.
39:21Elba's children never went to see Jorge at the hospital.
39:24And she also said that Elba acted lowly.
39:27To say that Jorge told her once.
39:29That the day he is not.
39:31They were going to kill each other.
39:33I start with the last one.
39:35Did he tell you this?
39:36Yes.
39:37He told you, they are going to kill each other when I'm not.
39:39Yes.
39:40Anyway.
39:41Between ex-women, between daughters, with you.
39:45In what context did he tell you that?
39:47Not with me.
39:48I mean, not with me.
39:50I mean.
39:51Between them.
39:52Yes.
39:53But anyway, that's what Jorge told me.
39:55If it's a lowliness or not.
39:57The truth is that they are not issues that are good to talk about.
40:02Those were issues that I put in a file.
40:08And in the reserve that has a file.
40:11And if she said it, she was the one who ventilated it.
40:15Not me.
40:16I explain myself.
40:18I mean, I'm not going to tell you that I didn't say it.
40:20Well, he said that this path to peace that you decided to do was also false.
40:23The path to peace was true.
40:25Did you try?
40:26But let's see.
40:27Because they say no all the time.
40:29But let's see.
40:30Did you see me talking about something?
40:33No.
40:34Nothing.
40:35I mean, when I come back with the same thing.
40:38They threw me on the floor and kicked me.
40:41Unnecessarily.
40:44And also, not only unnecessarily, but with a degree of violence and manipulation.
40:51Tremendous.
40:52That I come back to the same thing.
40:54They put the videos 300 times for a few days.
40:57Classic disinformation technique.
41:00With a different subtitle.
41:03No one thought about it.
41:05And who said that?
41:08Andrea?
41:09I leave it to you, as Karina Olga would say.
41:12At your discretion.
41:13At your discretion.
41:14Someone said it.
41:15I know who said it.
41:16Well, it's not by chance.
41:17No, no.
41:18It has to do with some kind of power or relationship.
41:20No, no, no.
41:22Because when those videos were broadcast.
41:26Yes.
41:27Jorge, could you have come back to life, to work, to the medium?
41:32Look, more or less.
41:37I had faith that yes.
41:39It was always yours.
41:41In fact, until I saw it.
41:43Then I never ...
41:45I tell you why this.
41:46Victor Hugo Morales.
41:47Yes.
41:48Curiously, he was the only one who came out to defend the cream in that situation.
41:52Yes, of course.
41:53Saying that the same group was liquidating it.
41:56Yes, obviously.
41:57But ...
41:58Did Victor Hugo call you? Did you talk?
42:00No, no, no, no.
42:01You have no link.
42:02No, I have no link.
42:03The thing is that it is an observation that you make.
42:06Normal, common sense.
42:08Let's see.
42:09When you have between couples.
42:11In any couple, in any marriage.
42:14Couple, marriage, whatever.
42:17You have a lot of issues that you talk about.
42:21And issues that, in quotation marks, in quotation marks.
42:25Instructions, orders.
42:27Things you tell him.
42:29Since how many times to feed the cat.
42:32I explain myself.
42:33Yes, to more important things.
42:36Well, this is a part.
42:38One of the many parts.
42:39And there he is talking about the operation.
42:41That she feels that the network is digitized by an agency.
42:44Blah, blah, blah.
42:45That obviously points to Andrea Rodríguez.
42:47Who is the historical producer of Jorge Lanata.
42:50Also chosen by Jorge Lanata, right?
42:52Finally we see that Elba who defends herself.
42:54That it was half contradictory being drowned.
42:56That one said the silence.
42:57Because the specific moment in which those videos come out.
43:00That later we can discuss if it was a robbery or not.
43:02Because they were at home.
43:03But she was very quiet.
43:04She feels it as an operation.
43:06These videos.
43:07Because she says she has them.
43:08She repeated them all day.
43:09Channel 13.
43:10With different graphs.
43:11They were changing the graph.
43:12And it was always the same.
43:13And on top of that, her silence.
43:15Well, but it is inevitable that the material is passed.
43:17Because it is interesting.
43:18And it was a topic that was counterproductive.
43:21There is a moment in the note in which she talks about ...
43:24She feels curious about the group where Lanata was the figure.
43:28Or was it that America spent it all day or whatever.
43:30But it's like a series of facts concatenated.
43:32I mean, it was all ...
43:33What did Fefe say?
43:34No, that she at one point talks about ...
43:36Well, she doesn't finish understanding why what happened happened.
43:39And I think I read Lanata's book.
43:41To better understand his story and others.
43:43And he is a man who not only fell in love with many women.
43:45But he fell in love with a lot of intensity.
43:47So I also see the possibility that the daughters or the ex-women.
43:49They have seen Adelba.
43:50That although she was the new wife.
43:52It could have been ...
43:53An opportunist.
43:54No, or even one more.
43:55Do you understand?
43:56Exactly.
43:57Because he really had four wives and many women.
43:59And with all of them he showed a lot of level of intensity.
44:01Well, what happens is that here there is a ...
44:03I don't know how they were.
44:04There is a difference.
44:05Fefe talks about marriage by church.
44:07Adoption.
44:08Adoption of his children.
44:09And she manages to get him to marry the church.
44:11Because he told him at the time himself.
44:13Okay, but if you had never read the book.
44:15He handled all his relationships with great intensity.
44:17Yes, I understand what you say.
44:18So I can understand that the daughters would say.
44:20No.
44:21Let's see how long this lasts.
44:22I accompany that and I say it too.
44:23Because one can be too.
44:25And have a bad thought.
44:27And say well.
44:28To what extent a person who marries at a certain moment.
44:31With a person with a degree of disease and pathology.
44:34Also the children cannot suspect that.
44:36But for the children.
44:37Yes.
44:38I understand that Marce.
44:39But also what Fefe says.
44:41That somehow it was the way Jorge handled himself.
44:43He would have fixed it in advance.
44:44Let's say.
44:45He died with his own.
44:46No one can avoid bad treatment.
44:48But they can have distrust.
44:50Yes, yes.
44:51I understand.
44:52I understand more than a daughter.
44:54I think the conflict is very clear here.
44:56That the daughters do not accept the new wife of the father.
44:59We saw it yesterday.
45:00Obvious.
45:01In Punta del Este.
45:02The same.
45:03Yes, exactly.
45:04Exactly the same.
45:05Apart from extracting something from the consular home.
45:08Nothing.
45:09Nothing.
45:10Yes.
45:11And the girls hugging Milet.
45:12Well, an official video.
45:13All the portals are in the kiss they give each other.
45:15That makes it half on purpose.
45:17The situation.
45:18And the girls hugging Milet.
45:19Yes, yes.
45:20A lot of love.
45:21Putting the point of this.
45:22Extracting something from the consular home.
45:24And that it is recorded.
45:25It is also part of a possible suspicion.
45:28Because the son says.
45:29Well, hey.
45:30But yes.
45:31I am also part of all that.
45:32As is.
45:3333, 33 and 33.
45:34Of course.
45:35Of course.
45:37And one can understand it too.
45:39As much as she is the legitimate woman.
45:41No, and apart are the objects of your father.
45:43Yes, yes.
45:44I want a memory of my father.
45:46But in another part of the note he tells me.
45:48What happens is that when they go to justice.
45:50They make a ridiculous presentation.
45:51For example.
45:52Let's see.
45:53In the list of items.
45:54Supposedly missing.
45:56I have them and they are.
45:57You can get them whenever you want.
46:00There was a spoon.
46:01Spoon.
46:02And for example.
46:03They did not claim the father's wallet.
46:04That he had documents, cards, photos.
46:06A spoon.
46:07A spoon in the kitchen.
46:08And the spoon was bought by the daughter.
46:10Of course.
46:11When they went to New York.
46:12In the year.
46:13Of course.
46:14You are a son of a bitch.
46:15I am not Elva's lawyer.
46:16I tell you what she tells me.
46:17Of course.
46:18I don't know.
46:19I put it to you from the side of affection.
46:20You can't complain that I asked you about Mechera.
46:21For Black Widow.
46:22No, no.
46:23For everything.
46:24Ah, nothing good.
46:25What seems to me.
46:26Otherwise it was clear.
46:27Mechera, Mechera.
46:28Mechera, Mechera, Mechera.
46:29That work more as a lawyer.
46:30Than as his wife.
46:31And well.
46:32She is a lawyer.
46:33She is a lawyer.
46:34I understand what.
46:35That they understand the part of the suspicion of the other.
46:36Yes.
46:37More than a daughter.
46:38More than a daughter.
46:39Yes, well.
46:40What will it be?
46:41Maybe in this interview she sees it with her heart in her hand.
46:43Do you believe her?
46:44I believe her.
46:45You do.
46:46I do.
46:47I find it hard to believe that she really does not consider that she has done anything wrong in all this process.
46:50Well, self-criticism is zero.
46:51In fact, she speaks well of Lola.
46:53I don't know any of the people involved in this matter personally.
46:56But yes, I have many references of Lola.
46:58Because she was working all this time in Resumido, which is the news agency of Luzu.
47:02And everyone talks to me as if she is the best person who stepped on this land.
47:05So why would she have an impulse of evil?
47:07Yes.
47:08What strikes me is that ...
47:09It's not a matter of good and bad here.
47:10It's not about evil.
47:11It's an influence of that.
47:12That's what she says.
47:13It's very likely.
47:14Anyway, she speaks well of Lola.
47:15And she says she is surprised.
47:16But it's not a matter of good and bad.
47:17I think, and I agree with you, that self-criticism is zero.
47:19Zero.
47:20Zero.
47:21Zero.
47:22What surprises me is that all the people who have accompanied him ...
47:23I asked her several times during the note.
47:24What?
47:25The psychologist said.
47:26Yes.
47:27All the people.
47:28You are laughing.
47:29Barbie, what are you laughing at?
47:30Oh, no.
47:32All the people who have accompanied him ...
47:33At this moment I was not laughing at anything.
47:35What are you laughing at?
47:36What?
47:37What were you laughing at?
47:38Nothing.
47:39You don't believe him at all.
47:40No.
47:41You don't believe him at all.
47:42Nothing.
47:43It shows that you believe him.
47:44No, because I love Kiwi very much.
47:45And well.
47:46Well, let's say it.
47:47And I love Kiwi.
47:48I have no commitment to him.
47:49I mean, I love her.
47:50It shows if you asked her what the widow was like.
47:51I know her because of Jorge, particularly.
47:52And for making fun of her too.
47:53Well, but she's talking about the widow.
47:54And you say, can you believe her or can't you believe her?
47:55Obviously.
47:57Like anyone who gives a grade.
47:58You can believe it or not.
47:59It may seem like a wonder or a crap.
48:00All those who were friends for life.
48:01I asked about the brother too.
48:02Friends for life.
48:03The companions of all life.
48:04It strikes me.
48:05Now comes that chapter.
48:06But it strikes me that they all colluded suddenly
48:07for a woman who arrives in the last years.
48:08I mean, it's weird too, right?
48:09Well, but for that.
48:10Obviously, there is something that they see.
48:11It is the last two years of Jorge with heavy pathology.
48:12He counted his entire life.
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