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00:00I don't ever want to give up on nothing.
00:03And that's because I'm a dreamer and all of that stuff, but I've also watched it in sports
00:08too many times.
00:09And so that's kind of where I come from when I look at this.
00:15Just bottle up how you feel right now, Warrior fan, and I would argue very firmly that it's
00:24not going to be like this for the rest of the year.
00:27That doesn't mean that it's going to get better.
00:29It might get worse.
00:30How about that?
00:33Might get worse.
00:35I doubt it.
00:36But my point is, is that I just don't, like the same way Steph Curry, and we'll play it
00:42again for you in a sec, and Steve Kerr joins us in 25 minutes live, the same way Steph
00:48Curry goes, we don't want to make a move out of desperation, you also don't want to make
00:53decisions off of emotion.
00:56And your emotion right now is, ah crap, this sucks, to hell with it, throw it in the trash.
01:04And I just think that's where Team Tank is coming from.
01:07That's not where they are.
01:08It doesn't make any sense.
01:11The whole youth movement, Tank, this, that, the other, quite frankly, just to be real
01:16about it, there's plenty of time for that, if that's what you want to do.
01:20If you want a youth movement, Steph Curry has two more years on his deal after this one.
01:27So this that we're experiencing, this isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
01:31Well, unless you trade Steph, which many people, you know, not many, some people want to do.
01:36And what would you say about that?
01:37It's nonsense.
01:38Of course.
01:39It's a non-starter.
01:40Agreed.
01:41And I'll be dismissive of that idea, because you don't trade your number one marquee box
01:45office attraction when you're trying to put out a business that's about entertainment.
01:50And right now, you mentioned it before, like, what's watchable about this team right now?
01:55Is it Buddy barely glancing the rim?
01:57Is it Dennis wandering, lost on the floor?
02:01Is it TJD diving to the rim?
02:04Is it Kevon Looney setting a good, sturdy screen?
02:07Is it Lindy Waters with an open three?
02:09No, it's Steph.
02:10It's only Steph.
02:12It will always be Steph.
02:13And so if you're looking to put out an entertainment product, you're not going to trade your number
02:17one asset.
02:18So yes, you're not going to make a trade based on emotion or desperation.
02:23I don't think good teams do that.
02:25And that's what Draymond said.
02:26His quote was, that's not what good teams do.
02:29Bad teams do that.
02:31And this is not a bad organization.
02:33It might be a bad team right now.
02:35And yeah, they're able to go, you know, on a little bit of a run.
02:39I don't think they're going to go 32 and 10 the rest of the way.
02:41I don't either.
02:42But they'll probably be this sort of a team around 500, threatening to play in.
02:48Maybe they get to the play-in and maybe they win a couple of games and get a series.
02:51But no matter what they wind up doing, I think after half a year, you get an idea of who
02:57they are.
02:58I liked Tim's answer on Vujovic.
03:01Chicago's a weird team.
03:02I don't know what they're going to do.
03:03But yes, that's what the Warriors want.
03:05They want to stretch five.
03:07So to me, that's the guy.
03:09That's been the guy.
03:10That continues to be the guy.
03:12I hope that's the guy.
03:13Does that make you something scary?
03:16Probably not.
03:18Do I think that that can be a playoff team?
03:19I do.
03:20I really do.
03:21And if I say I don't, then I'm dismissive.
03:24Yes, you are.
03:25Right.
03:26And that's okay.
03:27It's your opinion of me being dismissive.
03:30Am I being dismissive if I'm right?
03:32Does that make me dismissive?
03:34Well, that's an interesting way to phrase it.
03:37I wonder, like, your use of dismissive.
03:41And if I said three years ago, I didn't think that they would win a championship and I did,
03:46and I would be in the 94% crowd, there was a very small minority.
03:52And I don't think that you were one of them when they were halfway through the year.
03:55I don't think that you were saying, oh, yeah, championship, this team, it's a championship
03:59team.
04:00No, I know.
04:01I want to be in the moment.
04:02Like, just stay right here for a second.
04:03Oh, I'm in the moment.
04:04You're not.
04:05No, I am.
04:06You're not.
04:07I'm in the moment.
04:08You're not.
04:09And I see a team that's 19 and 20.
04:10Saying they're not good.
04:11And in the moment, they're not good.
04:12That's right.
04:13And they haven't been good for six weeks.
04:14But that hasn't-
04:15I said they weren't good.
04:16That hasn't been the conversation.
04:17I said they weren't good and they weren't good then and they're not good now.
04:20But that's not the conversation.
04:21That is the conversation.
04:22No, you're saying they can't-
04:23That's the way you're taking it.
04:24No.
04:25You're saying they can't go anywhere.
04:26Oh, of course they can.
04:27That's-
04:28But-
04:29No.
04:30You don't mean it in a way like they're allowed to.
04:31You mean it in a way like they're not.
04:33And the problem is, is you've got to make decisions in the moment based on where you
04:38think things are going to go next.
04:40I want to be careful here.
04:42I'm not criticizing you for that opinion.
04:45You can criticize me.
04:46You can say whatever you want about my opinion.
04:48And I do.
04:49And this is a little bit of a difference, which is a good thing.
04:52Celebrate differences.
04:53It's a little bit of a difference in the way you and I look at things often.
04:57Not every time.
04:58Not all the time.
04:59But often.
05:00And I skew too far to the optimist.
05:03And sometimes you're over here in what I would call, and by the way, slight tweak, I didn't
05:08call you dismissive.
05:10I called you a dismisser.
05:11Right.
05:12Which does not mean that-
05:13But that doesn't mean-
05:14You're getting into nuance now and that's fine.
05:16It doesn't mean that you're dismissive of every topic, but you tend to skew in a direction
05:22of that's probably not going to happen.
05:25Right.
05:26And that's fine.
05:27And it's-
05:28But I don't-
05:29So you can tell me that, you know, this potentially could, it could happen.
05:33Like Steph can find the fountain of youth and you can acquire talent.
05:36And yes, I'm looking at it from a logical standpoint, from the way I judge a team and
05:42what I see when I watch 39 basketball games and I see a team that is old and not very
05:47good.
05:48Right.
05:49And if that's dismissive, then so be it.
05:50But my point is, is there is a very real possibility that this team two weeks from now has new
05:57people on it.
05:58So how do we know?
06:00How do we know where it's going to go?
06:04Right?
06:05The silly giants-
06:06Well, we don't know.
06:07The silly giants under Farhan Zaidi, once upon a time, won 107 games with no talent.
06:13So like it's sports, it's sports.
06:16So how are we supposed to have a conversation without looking at the bigger picture?
06:21You can say it.
06:23Don't turtle up.
06:24You can say it.
06:25I will never turtle up.
06:26So like, it's fine.
06:27I will never shy away from my opinion.
06:29My point is, is if we're talking about the remainder of Steph Curry's career or even
06:34the remainder of Steph Curry's year, it is very, very relevant to think about what are
06:41the things that can be done to send this in a new direction.
06:46It doesn't, and this is my point, it doesn't have to be a championship.
06:51It doesn't have to be a one seed or a two seed or a three seed.
06:56I just think that we sit here today and it feels probably, I'd argue, as bad as it's
07:01felt all year.
07:02Right?
07:03You've lost 500 and you just lost to the freaking Raptors.
07:06Yeah, you've lost 17 to 24.
07:08So like coming from that moment, emotionally, similar to what Steph said, is not a great
07:14space to form your opinion about what the team should do next.
07:20Because right now in this moment, it looks like they are a dumpster fire.
07:23Right.
07:24But I don't think they're going to be a dumpster fire for the rest of the year.
07:27Well, it depends on a number of factors.
07:29Number one, can you get the players that you were counting on healthy?
07:33And I know that I saw GP2 expected to play tomorrow.
07:37That's good.
07:38And Pods is not.
07:39Draymond is questionable.
07:41And Kaminga is probably two or three weeks away from him actually playing.
07:45And beyond the guys you have getting healthy, can the guys that you have actually play up
07:52to the caliber that we're used to seeing?
07:54And I'm looking at Dennis and Buddy particularly.
07:57Dennis Schroeder has been on eight teams in his career, and I think there's a reason
08:01for that.
08:02And maybe it's because he doesn't fit.
08:04But Dennis so far has not been good.
08:06Can he play better?
08:07Sure.
08:08Can Buddy actually make a shot?
08:09Why not?
08:10Of course.
08:11So can you make acquisitions?
08:12Can you get healthy?
08:14Can you get better?
08:15All of that is absolutely possible, and I hope it would happen.
08:19But it doesn't mean that I necessarily look at all those things collectively and think
08:24this is going to be anything other than a play-in team or maybe a one-and-done in the
08:28playoffs.
08:29Yeah.
08:30Again, I think you speak for many.
08:32You're absolutely welcome to have the opinion.
08:35My message is today is today.
08:38Today is today.
08:40And it's the same message, quite frankly, that I had when you and I talked about those
08:44quarterbacks yesterday.
08:46And in fact, we can have a Sam Darnold conversation in a little bit after Steve Kerr comes on.
08:52I get struck how often we look at things, we remember the last thing we saw, and we
08:59decide that's who this person is.
09:02So now apparently Sam's terrible.
09:04No.
09:05I know.
09:06I'm not saying you.
09:07No.
09:08But they went 14, and in the end, I guess 14-4 this year.
09:12Sam's not terrible, but I also laughed when he was 14-3, and everyone's like, oh my God.
09:17Guys, the bee's knees.
09:18No, we've watched him for five years.
09:21He's all of those things, just like Justin Herbert is, and Brock Purdy is, and all of
09:27these people.
09:28So when we say, are the Warriors 12-3, or are they 7-17, the only answer is both.
09:34They're both.
09:35Those capabilities are in there.
09:38And so I think Steph is not asking, he's not trying to strangle the organization into give
09:44me, give me, give me everything.
09:46He's saying, is there a chance to get better?
09:50And can we create a new path?
09:52And can Warrior Basketball look different three weeks from now than it does today?
09:56I firmly think that it's possible.
09:58Sure.
09:59It's possible.
10:00It's possible, but it's also possible, and I don't want to be dismissive or negative,
10:05but it's also possible that there's no deal out there, and the guys who you acquired,
10:10Buddy and Dennis, don't play any better, and your older guys continue to be in and out
10:16of the lineup, and it's possible that this doesn't get any better.
10:19I mean, they're, to me, teetering on the brink.
10:22You're going to Minnesota, a really good team tomorrow, at the end of a four-game road trip,
10:27and I don't know what the spread is, but I would guess you're six or six-and-a-half-point
10:31underdogs going into tomorrow night.
10:34It's going to be a tough spot for the Warriors, and I look at who you've been through 39 games,
10:40and yeah, this is who you are.
10:42You were hot early when you had a fresh Steph, and you had Buddy lighting it up, and you
10:47were winning games, and then you haven't had a fresh Steph, and Draymond's been in
10:52and out of the lineup, and now Buddy has had a really hard time, and you've fallen on really
10:57hard times.
10:58The Warriors are five-and-a-half-point underdogs.
11:00Yeah, there you go.
11:01Five-and-a-half-point underdogs.
11:02Sounds about right.
11:03Randy, what's up?
11:04I have a question for you guys.
11:05So, Willie, you're talking about you don't want to make a rash decision based on one
11:09bad game, like a poor stretch, like you want large sample size.
11:14I mean, they've been a largely mediocre team for two-and-a-half years now, and it's only
11:19getting worse.
11:20That feels like a pretty large sample size to make decisions off of.
11:22I guess, and that is the sample size that I'm using to make the decision that I would
11:28attempt to make, which is to try to get better.
11:32Like, I guess I'd answer your question with another question.
11:36What are you suggesting?
11:37Do you want to tank?
11:38I don't even know how the Warriors would do that.
11:40I'm suggesting that you've got to do something extreme one way or the other, because just
11:44kind of hanging out in the middle hasn't worked, and it's not going to work at any point.
11:49So you would either make a huge swing—
11:53One way or the other, which means the unthinkable.
11:56You like Zion.
11:57You want Zion.
11:58I absolutely would go for Zion.
12:00It helps you now.
12:01It's a chance, but if it works, it helps you now, and it helps you in the future.
12:04I'll tell you what.
12:05It's the only big name that even slightly intrigues me.
12:10He's 24 years old.
12:12But to me, your other extreme is not possible.
12:19I don't know how this team tanks.
12:22I would love for someone to explain to me how realistically—everybody loves to be
12:28realist.
12:29Okay, let's be realist.
12:30Realistically, how do you tank?
12:32Tell me how that looks.
12:33I would say by tanking, I maybe don't necessarily mean—or by going extreme the other way,
12:38I don't necessarily mean tanking this year.
12:39I mean, you know, maybe opening your eyes to the possibility that Steph Curry retires
12:44somewhere else.
12:45Plays out the final years, not as a warrior.
12:48Okay.
12:49So you're talking about trade him.
12:51Yeah.
12:52That's one extreme.
12:53I don't even know.
12:54Not that I'd root for that or want that, but it's one extreme.
12:57Here's the funny thing, and you've said this before, Dibs.
13:00I don't even know how you execute that.
13:02Who's the team out there that's like, yep, $59 million for 37 years old?
13:08That's the missing piece we need.
13:10And we have wonderful assets for you in return that equal $60 million.
13:14I don't even know how you do it.
13:17I'm not trying to be dismissive.
13:20I just don't even—I don't know.
13:22I don't know how you execute either moving off of Steph or moving away from Steph.
13:28I don't even know how it's possible.
13:30Well, wouldn't Steph want to go to a team where he could maybe get his fifth ring?
13:33And if that's the case, then you're going to trade him to a pretty good team, and usually
13:37a pretty good team, if they have a high-priced guy, it's a good player that they'd want
13:42to keep.
13:43So unless you want to involve a third or a fourth team to move salaries around to where
13:48Steph can go to a team like the Lakers, for example, and if Steph wants to go with LeBron
13:55and give it one last go-round in this cockamamie scenario, then the Lakers are going to have
13:59to send out salary to someone else, and then that team's going to have to send it to
14:03the Warriors, and picks are flying and the whole deal.
14:05But I don't know the logistics of a trade with the highest-paid player in the NBA is
14:12even possible, let alone would Joe Lacob even entertain that.
14:16And I understand that we all want to do right by Steph, but until Steph comes out and says,
14:21I want out, until he goes not full Jimmy Butler, but partial Jimmy Butler, you don't even
14:27entertain this.
14:28I'm with you, and by the way, I don't think we're anywhere near it, and I think that this
14:32comment he made last night proves it.
14:34Desperate trades or desperate moves that deplete the future, there is a responsibility
14:42allowing or keeping the franchise in a good space and good spot when it comes to where
14:48we leave this thing when we're done.
14:49It doesn't mean that you're not trying to get better, it doesn't mean that you're not
14:52active in any type of search to, you know, if you have an opportunity where a trade makes
14:57sense or even in the summer, free agency makes sense, you want to continue to get better.
15:02Nobody wants to be stale or be in a situation where you're passing up opportunities, but
15:07it doesn't mean that you're desperate, you know, just flinging assets all around the
15:10place just because you want to do something.
15:13This bothered some people, some people felt like it was a white flag, I thought that felt
15:17like a shower after a hike.
15:19I'm like, you got to be kidding me, that Steph Curry is sitting here, and instead of trying
15:26to strangle people into being about me, me, me, he's like, yes, we want to win.
15:31Yes, we want to do everything we can, but we want to do it smart.
15:34I've been a warrior my whole life.
15:35You think that I want to kick this organization in the face on my way out?
15:39No, I don't want to do that.
15:40And you can't be flinging assets all over the place.
15:43So like, you know, throwing assets all over the place for, let's just say Zion Williamson,
15:48it's going to take two firsts and, you know, Wiggins and another player and you get Zion
15:54Williamson in and, you know, you're just flinging assets all over the place for a guy who may
15:58or may not be able to play, and, you know, tip of the cap to Zion, he's actually played
16:02in two consecutive games, and I'm proud of him.
16:05That's three out of four now, Dibs.
16:07Yeah, it's impressive.
16:08And the one that he missed was not because of an injury.
16:10Right.
16:11It's because he missed a plane.
16:12Because he got in trouble.
16:13Right, he missed a plane.
16:14Right, he missed a plane.
16:15Twenty-four years old and, you know, still can't figure out how to get to a plane on
16:19time.
16:20Hey, this is interesting, and we haven't played it yet, Brian Windhorst, ESPN, reacting to
16:23that comment from Steph that we just played for you.
16:26This is so unusual for a star player to say.
16:29I mean, LeBron operates and has for decades exactly the opposite.
16:33He says, trade the 2031 first round pick.
16:36I don't care about that.
16:38This is Steph talking about leaving the franchise better than he found it.
16:42Guess what?
16:43You're leaving the franchise better than you found it, I promise you, and if anything,
16:47it's the franchise that owes him the last couple of years of his career.
16:52So this was a remarkable interview on a lot of fronts.
16:56And I'm going to be honest with you, when you listen to him talk like that, it makes
16:59you wonder that the Warriors, who have been sniffing around a star player since last summer,
17:05that instead of doing that, they may do the opposite and make a trade to save money because
17:10they're not far away from the luxury tax because it sounds like they've got Steph's sign-off
17:14on it.
17:15So this was truly a remarkable moment in the season.
17:18So once again, here's my reaction to that.
17:21Once again, Steph Curry, party of one.
17:24Yeah, that's it.
17:25He's unique.
17:26Pretty unique, yeah.
17:27And I also think that he looks at it a little bit more the way I'm looking at it, which
17:30is it's not about February, it's about October.
17:34How do you get better between now and October?
17:37And if there's no big move you can make in February, and he talked about flinging assets
17:41all over the place, if there's no easy deal to get you better now, to make you a real
17:48threat now, why not make a trade like Brian Winhorst was saying, where you save a little
17:53bit of money, you clear a little bit of space, and you get to the offseason, and then you're
17:56more able to go out and get a free agent who'd be out there on the market.
18:00If it's the right thing to do, then I bet Steph would be all for it.
18:04I don't think he wants to just kick the rest of this season, but again, you take each opportunity
18:10as it is presented to you, and if it's a smart thing, I do think he would sign off on something
18:15like that.
18:16I do.
18:17Well, he's here for this year and two more, so it's not like his championship window closes
18:21at the end of this year.
18:23Steve Kerr coming up here in less than 10 minutes.
18:25Glenn in New York.
18:26Hi, Glenn.
18:27Thanks for calling.
18:28Thanks for having me.
18:30I think the big move that can be made now, and it's directly to your next guest coming
18:35up, is I think it's time to move on from Steve Kerr.
18:38We can give Mike Brown a call.
18:40This small guard lineup thing is not working.
18:43He keeps coming up with these idiotic rotations.
18:47Even the other night, he himself said, I keep taking Looney out of the lineup, and
18:53then halfway through the season, I put him back in, and I say, why did I take him out
18:56in the first place?
18:57It's just like he keeps making these idiotic rotation moves that just do not work, and
19:05he refuses to move on from them.
19:08I think if we got Mike Brown in there, he's a coach that's already familiar with the team,
19:12he's familiar with the players, and we can pick it up, we can go from there, it's a big
19:16move that we don't have to sell the future away to get.
19:19Yeah, Glenn, respectfully, very respectfully, could not disagree more.
19:23Thank you so much.
19:24If you look at this roster and feel like they are rotation moves away from being good, I
19:30would love to watch a game with you and have you explain it to me.
19:33I don't know what you're seeing.
19:35They don't have any talent right now.
19:37Well, and they're tiny.
19:38So, I mean, he talked about them having all these guards.
19:42All you have is guards and small forwards, and your bigs are both 6'9", Kevon Looney,
19:48who can't jump.
19:49He was good last night, too.
19:50Yes, but it's not like he's a rim protector, and TJD at 6'9", who's not exactly that huge
19:57either, and the rest of your team is a bunch of guys at 6'3".
19:59So what do you want him to do with the rotation?
20:02I do not know.
20:04I do not know.
20:05And going from Steve Kerr to Mike Brown, I don't know one person in NBA circles who thinks
20:13that that would be an upgrade.
20:15I love Mike, too.
20:16Mike is a sweet man, and he really was a good assistant with the Warriors, and I think that
20:23he deserves a lot of credit.
20:25There's a comp from Mike Brown to Mark Jackson with the Sacramento Kings.
20:30He went in there and he changed some things about the way they went about it, and it really
20:35helped, and it worked, and they're lighting the beam, and they're doing all these things.
20:39Now maybe someone else needs to go in there to get it to the next level.
20:43Is that person Doug Christie?
20:44I don't know.
20:45They're off to a good start, but I'm not down on Mike Brown, but Steve Kerr's a better coach
20:51than Mike Brown, the head coach of a basketball team.
20:53And Steve Kerr is going nowhere, so it's just kind of like talking about Kyle Shanahan.
20:58We need to replace Kyle Shanahan.
21:00Well, it's not happening, and it's the same thing with Steve Kerr.
21:04Steve Kerr's going to be here as long as he wants to be here.
21:07End of story, really.